Lonelygirl15

[curiousGeorge]

Good responses all. Yes, we have a conundrum about how to make all this video "interaction" make sense from multiple POVs. I think coveDweller may be the closest to the mark, but we are not there yet.

Gotta head to work, but I will mull this over and try to post this evening. Just remember that my main focus is how to make all of this POV/Interaction make sense to the casual viewer who will probably, in the long run, make this project financially successful of not.

I think the number of "casual" viewers is probably at least 10 times the number of the hardcore fans. YT's highly questionable (that's another story) viewer metrics make this number impossible to quantify so that is admittedly just a guess. Even if is it just 2x, that is still a lot of viewers.

The Conundrum: If all characters and POV's could see all other POV's would the plotline make the least bit of sense at this point? NO. So, there has to be some kind of delineation of who sees what and it must be well defined. How could the good guys move the narrative forward if they know that everything they post about is been seen by the bad guys... And vice-versa.

Anyway, thanks all for your thoughtful input.
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[Terryfic]

I read a lot of defense of things as ‘oh well, you just need suspension of disbelief’, well I hate to break it to you, but you can’t actively suspend your disbelief. The term refers to what makes it possible to enjoy something that is unrealistic without the lack of realism ruining it for you. It is a one way street. When you are full absorbed in a story it is your suspension of disbelief that allows you to enjoy it. Certain genres lend themselves to allowing for me suspending of disbelief than others, like I am much more willing to accept techno babble in Star Trek, where as in The Wire I demand things to make perfect sense. LG has chosen a genre (dramatic mock-vlog) which requires an absurd amount of realism, this is always what has appealed to me, but I am getting off topic.

Watching this show and saying that you have to actively suspend your disbelief is like saying don’t think about an elephant and then in fact, not think about an elephant. You can’t. Likewise you can’t become fully absorbed by LG if you have to continuously actively remind yourself to suspend your disbelief, since such a conscious act destroys the illusion. LG is supposed to be an alternative world, and not only that it is supposed to be one that you can play in too. This is the ultimate in escapist’s entertainment and it is why TiNAG is so important to another form of escapism entertainment and I think it should be more fully used in LG.

CG’s question would be addressed if they played more by the principals of TiNAG. The amount of ‘Oh, well never mind that Bree can’t see it because her computer is broken and only loads pieces of this website’ is ridiculous. We should never think Bree is not a real person or the authors fail at this particular genre. It sounds harsh, but trust us old guard when we say it was a far more emotionally rich experience back then. Just look at all the ‘ZOMG! I can believe it was fake! I hate you!’ videos that came out to see just how attached some people were to these characters.

All the questions of who can see who would be address if this site (or pieces of it, and I mean entire pages not just pieces of a page) were totally in-character. If Bree shouldn’t be able to see someone’s videos then they shouldn’t be listed at the same place where she posts hers. Back when I was an admin Miles tossed out the idea that the Admin account and The Creators account were going to play to different roles. Admin was going to be something like Bukanator, a fan that was running this site. I always liked this idea, and he could have served as an interesting, if only textual, character that could have acted like a mediator for OpAphid and LG. I think they should continue to return to the idea of that this is actually happening and reflect that more fully in the website.

Oh, off topic, but in regards to OpAphid being vitally important to the LG story, I think is a mistake. Not only because it makes it more difficult for a larger audience to follow, but more importantly because I feel it makes the Breeniverse far shallower than it could be. LG is (or was) about Bree and to some degree Daniel. OpAphid (as I understand it) is about The Order. They should really keep them that way. If the Order is as powerful as we are meant to believe then surely that must have other things to do besides just hunt for Bree. They have a chance to actually expand the Breeniverse here but they are instead choosing to keep it as small as possible.

OpApid is a spinoff, but it is being treated like the original text. If we were to compare it to say comic books (which I feel is appropriate since that is where the common usage of everyone favorite word canon is coming from), it would be like starting a new comic series about Wolverine but in every issue he is always hanging out with all the X-Men. It is kind of redundant. Let OpApid tell its own story, sure their can be some occasional crossover, but trying to go all Rashomon with it constantly is just not going to work.
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[curiousGeorge]

Wow, we brought a previous Bukantor out... Hmmmm. Appreciate the perspective from someone so close to the project.

Thanks Terryfic, another very articulate and thoughtful post. I think you went a level even deeper than my (annoying I realize) constant yammering for who sees what, where clarification

I think you hit the matter head on as to why, after 5 pages or so, we still don't have a definitive answer to my question... I have tried to reason all of this from every angle, and it just still does not make sense to me.

Great suggestions! I would love to see what the Order does besides follow Bree.
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[Nora Volkova]

[friendsofelvis]

Op can see tachyon, since she's subscribed to her videos on YT
tachyon can see op, for the reason above, reversed.
gemmers can see non-canon nikki, same reason.
nikki watches all 6 players.

sorry if that's all been mentioned. I don't totally discount the possibility that their subscriptions are soley for the purpose of the fans, but I'd be turboticked if that were true. If they operate within the youtube world, youtube rules apply. which include: you only subscribe to things of which you are aware. I might give them some leniency if their youtube accounts were not in-character, but they can't (sensibly) have their youtube pages be partially in-character and partially as creators.

[covedweller]

FYI, per the above Wolverine/X-men comment:

Tachyon and OpAphid have had their own plotline going on that is not directly related to LG15. This Gemma thing is one of the crossover points, probably the most major so far.

Part of the OpAphid/Tachyon plot is that Tachyon stole a bunch of encrypted data from The Order. As she decodes it, she finds out things that she passes along to Bree/Daniel if it will help them.

[curiousGeorge]

[JustAnotherLonelyGirl.]

have i missed something? i've been gone all weekend.. what's nbr?

[Nora Volkova]

It can't be Boris, silly monkey man! He's dead! Er, dead-ish, lately. I may tease Daniel about calling him, but I'm pretty sure even Tachyon couldn't make *this* connection.
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[Killthesmiley]

[robtomorrow]

[JustAnotherLonelyGirl.]