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tristan · Casual Observer Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 49

I'm really new here and have only been around/participating in the last few puzzles so I can't speak about the "good ole days" but this is ridiculous and unnecessary. These people who are getting chastised [Panda, Tiger, Lad, Tilt, Fall, and others] have left or are leaving. What’s done is done, simple as that. They were in a difficult situation and made a decision. Would yours have been different? Maybe but it doesn’t matter now because it’s already done with and it WON’T happen again because they’re gone. So don’t make the purpose of this “Vent” to be bringing down those who have already left. Argue all you want about the ethics of Glenn or whether he should still have a hand in the ARG or even the issues in a general sense but leave the individuals out of this and don’t make it a personal matter of calling someone out or casting blame on a specific person or persons. They aren’t in the game anymore so all of you’re gripes about them are inconsequential at this point. Plus if you’re going to be angry at anyone over this shouldn’t it be Glenn? Feel free to vent away at the concept of what should be done in the future but stop clinging to the past and learn from it.

Like I said I am new and don’t know about the elitist group or anything about this scandal but if that was your main problem then guess what? The group has left! So if you really had a big issue with it then let them leave in peace and you can be happy they’re gone. Right now you should be working on figuring out how we can improve [because clearly there were problems] rather than criticizing people who aren’t even here anymore. Let’s move on and allow those who have decided to leave to leave.

Since I haven’t been around the game for that long maybe you’ll call me naïve but I did respect many of those in the crosshairs. I really don’t know how the ARG will survive without them. And I’m not talking about their puzzle solving or anything like that, to me their influence was more apparent in the way they handled the forum with respect. This is my first ARG so it could be I’m more impressionable but I wasn’t sure how to even start when I first entered the forum. I felt they accepted me and my opinions as being just as valid as anyone elses on the forum. It’s sad since these people are leaving [no matter the circumstances] when they did give so much to the ARG. But that’s how everything played out and those who remain after all this will have to pick up the pieces. Which is what I suggest we begin to do now

bethy · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject:

lorien · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:45 pm Post subject:

Bethy, dearie, you rock my socks.

Xrynaem · Lonely Fan Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 205

Mintgurl · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject:

I am so sick of the "round about" pointing fingers at people.
Just come out and say it. Its quite obvious who you are talking about.

It shouldn't be a shock to any of you that I do not, or ever did, support what you guys were doing.
I am so sick of being told that I am wrong because of my view on this,
and didn't treat people 'fairly' when they came forward.
I told Fall I didn't agree. I also told Lad and the chatroom.
But then again, my opinion doesn't matter to you guys, and I was ignored because I DIDN'T agree. I was overlooked.
You fail to remember that I DID try to point out the consequences.

There are certain ways to go about things, and I don't think this was the right way. There is not enough evidence to go accusing someone of something this serious. It just wasn't fair.

Some of you I have already talked to and sorted things out, and I am glad for that. I just couldn't let anything else be said without defending myself.
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sphinx · Enthusiastic Fan Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 309

ApotheosisAZ · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject:

Folks, I am merely stepping in here to remind everyone that the policy of this forum is not to direct personal attacks at one another.

I think it is a fine idea for people to vent their frustration here. Perhaps it is also a place for those who are leaving us to say their farewells.

Continuing personal attacks on forum members is against the policy of the forum. Do not continue in them.

Thank you for your time.
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Morgan · Lonely Fan Joined: 15 Sep 2006 Posts: 247

Umm.. ok I figured these thoughts were most appropriate for this "vent" thread.

I've never taken part in the puzzle or "game" part of OpAphid or Tachyon, but I have tried to follow the story and summary of clues and such.

To me, the bottom line of it all seems to be that Glenn's actions were pretty unprofessional. Have all the ethics and moral conversations you want, but what he did was not professional at all. It's very disappointing. I can't blame the Creators much for their actions. They can't be affiliated with behavior like that... remember without them, there would be no OpAphid or Tachyon. And while those additions are the bread and butter of the story for some viewers, I would still want to see what the Creators have up their sleeves. Then again, I would be sad if the OpAphid/Tachyon story line was ruined because of the change of staff.

This is a very tough issue here..

As for legal action, my only concern is who holds the rights to the OpAphid/Tachyon story arc, and what will become of it? That is the MOST troubling worry in my mind.

I'm aware I was not personally involved and had no time invested in this game, so I may seem cold to the situation. I send my sympathy to those who are involved in this mess.

This also may seem cold, but I'm very glad that I did not play this ARG.

No matter what happens, I hope the viewers keep watching... to swear off a show with such potential and pioneering creativity is pretty harsh in my opinion. Perhaps distance yourselves from the chaos, take a minute to relax in the real world. Don't judge the situation at face value. There will always be other situational factors that perhaps we will never even know about.

I still like LG15 as a whole and have high hopes for it. Time will tell.. Confused

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ravensong · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject:

ApotheosisAZ · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject:

Linc · Casual Observer Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 44

Funny, Morgan, I was just about to post a similar thing.

Like it or not - the Creator Trio are trying to become a professional entity. This is a new medium and right now there are all of two dramatic web-only shows that can be considered "successful."

One is Sam Has 7 Friends. They get a fraction of the views that LG15 does.

They have to be squeaky clean, not because they're just representing the show - which is more than enough reason - they're currently representing the entire medium that they operate in.

People in the TV industry want the indies to fall, so that they can jump up and down, say, "see? We told you they couldn't do it" and continue putting out crap show after crap show. The more the web becomes standard for popular entertainment, the less reason there is for advertisers to put up the numbers they do on TV. If there's a scandal, you bet they will cover it. The swift response pretty much destroyed any idea of a protracted process. Anyone who reports it will go, "well, the guy did this, but the Creators wouldn't tolerate it." And the show - as well as the medium - remains in the category of professional-grade entertainment.

I will not be judge, jury or executioner. But if half of what is being said here is true, then the Creators did exactly what they had to do, and not a moment too soon. Just because it's going to affect the storyline should not be and is not a good reason for the firing to not happen.

And that's pretty much it, for me. I've been writing way too much as it is.
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deagol · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:59 pm Post subject:

bethy · Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:26 am Post subject:

Well, I don't mean to be confusing. I'm basing my opinions in this thread about what people have openly stated here in this thread - that they knew of a behavior pattern and actively worked to keep it on the down low to protect the game from falling apart.

But, also, it's based on the fact that some players, outside the cliques, have often felt as if something wasn't right. There's mounds of threads all over LG15 of people complaining about various aspects of the ARG. It's no secret that many people have felt alienated by certain ARG players. It's not just me...I'm just one of the more vocal ones.

Lad hinted that there may have been a minor involved. They've admitted that they knew his behavior...they knew young people could have been exposed...and they did nothing, all for the sake of protecting their little flock. That's where I have issues.

It's a whole bunch of seriously messed up priorities. They claim to have been protecting the game....when everything they've done has actually sabotaged it. Had somebody spoken up months ago, maybe that's all that needed to happen. A few isolated events could have been nipped in the bud....but people became complacent, ignored it....tuned it out....figured it was no big deal.....until a habit formed, and it escalated into cheating.

Yes, I know some people didn't know about the cheating...but what I'm saying is that those who knew about the behavior and failed to try to stop it are just as accountable, in my eyes.

So , they're leaving. Good. They should be...and they recognize it. I'm just annoyed that they're now playing the victim card. And nobody's bothered to apologize for hiding it, either...the hiding that ultimately ended up ruining the game...for now.

I never said anything like this until this afternoon when Panda posted. Anyone can look back at my posts and see that I was pretty open to the whole situation...until I realized that some of them knew and actively ignored it or covered it up.

deagol · Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:38 am Post subject:

bethy · Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:52 am Post subject:

No, that's correct....and I do applaud them for that.

However, they also said that they knew about behavior pattern for months as well as realizing the fan base includes a lot of people under 18. Given that it is very easy for someone to lie about their age and find a fake picture, there's no guarantee that any of us are who we say we are. Plus, given that the ARG has been absorbed into the series, this kind of behavior is potentially damaging to the series as a whole and the business that the Creators have worked hard to create. For all of those reasons, I simply don't understand why those armed with the information would have failed to at least bring up a concern to the Creators directly. Clearly, nobody did...and they admitted they didn't because they were trying to protect the game, so they say. Plus, there is a history with some of these same people in trying to get more privileges for the ARG. Not everyone knows of those details...but it happened a little more than a month ago. Those involved with that know what I'm talking about.

I don't see it as protecting the game. To me, it screams selfishness and ass covering. And now, some of them are embarrassed, as they should be.

I've also said that my opinion of what happened between Glenn ans the Creators is none of my business. That's between them. However he's gone...so somethings up. And, given that certain people have openly admitted to a few things... I'm really bothered that the ones quitting are now somehow supposed to be heroes for doing something for which they should be ashamed of doing. So, while I do applaud them for finally taking a stand...it's a little late to make them heroes or martyrs as some would have them to be.