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[eucebo]

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[Aponi]

I agree here with eucebo, that vid was way too much Taylor. Jonas right now has only 4 people that he can even talk to about his problems. You, Sarah, DB and Bree. He obviously can't talk to Bree, and I think that's where the majority of his problems are coming from. He can't really talk to you, because you're so far away. And Taylor, have you seen the way DB is treating him? DB is treating him like...like he doesn't even care anymore. Those two used to be so close, they acted like brothers. Now your sister is getting in the way of that, and Jonas can't talk to DB like he used to. He was trying to get out his feelings, trying to talk to someone and you just shoved it into his face. I'm very upset with you Taylor, that video was even more juveniele than Jonas's email.

I never thought i'd say it about you, but you've stooped even lower than Sarah in making that video. I can only hope you haven't hurt Jonas even more than he already is, because he is a good enough person to provide your sister and DB shelter and food with his money, yet all you guys seem to be able to do is make silly videos like this and publicly splash his problems to everyone with an internet connection. Nice Taylor and Sarah, real nice... (And yes, that was sarcasm)

Edit to add: By the way, Taylor, you didn't mention he told you not to post that email. I think that was also very mean of you to post it when he asked you not to. He was just trying for once to keep things a little private (between you, Sarah, and DB) and you had to, of course, put it out on the internet.
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[goblynn]

Taylor, my comment may be too little, too late, but I wanted to chime in with my support for you.

Sarah shouldn't have posted her videos (J&B kissing, "everybody does it") because they are a bit invasive, to put it gently...but Jonas did share his "morning after" excitement with the entire world wide web...

Oh, in any case, my point is this: what you're doing is what any sister would do. In my family, we defend our relatives in the face of other people. We admit it when one of us makes a mistake, but we won't let an outsider take them to task for it. It's us being a family. If I screwed up, my dad and mom would defend me to the world, then nail me to the wall when we got home. It's always been our view that society has no right to judge--if anyone does, it's family.

Yes, it's a very traditional way of living, but we're very clannish, and we look after our own above all else. May sound weird or creepy to some, but it works. We're all quite independent, yet we sort of rest easier knowing we have a safety net of blood-kin if something goes wrong. The sword cuts both ways, too--hurt them, and forgiveness is hard to come by. You don't get this kind of devotion and care at a cheap price.

Sarah may have made mistakes on her side, but Jonas has no right to send a group message in which he belittles her. His opinion of your sister and of you hurt, so you pay him back in kind. Ruthless, perhaps, but I know where you're coming from.

[Laurin_B]

I admit, I wanted to read that e-mail, but it def did not need to be posted. I mean, yeah, he's pissed, and he's running off at the keyboard, but . . . he's upset, let's cut the boy a little slack. Sarah does not need to be getting all up in his Kool Aid right now, but she likes to push buttons, and so . . . we have drama.
Yeah, the e-mail was pretty juvenile, but what do you expect from (very recently used to be) juveniles? Yeah, he C'd and BC'd, but it's pretty clear he wanted it to stay between the four of them, at least, or he would have posted it on the forum himself.
The point: Taylor, if you don't want the drama, stop perpetuating it. This all could have easily ended with you reading an e-mail and sending it to the trash can. Remember, when you point a finger at someone else, there are four more pointin' right back atcha!

And I will say this, Jonas was a bit over-the-top with the "wild goose chase" bit. Just because they didn't happen to find Bree doesn't mean you don't know what you're doing.
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[Esteed]

I loved the video. And if Jonas really wanted this to be private, he wouldn't have shared it with anyone. What was he expecting, Taylor to go, "Alright Mr. Jonas, I won't send you on any more wild goose chases even though it was a really good idea, took a lot of work, and was only meant to try and help you."?

Jesus Christ, people. Jonas fucked up and all the continued defense of his actions is astounding me. Defending Jonas the person, hey, I understand that. But his actions in this situation very clearly is one big orgy of mistakes that he could have easily, easily, avoided.

Taylor, you did nothing wrong. At all. Don't let anyone convince you that you did.

[girlnextdoor]

I agree with Esteed, I don't think you did anything wrong with posting the email. I can understand that yeah, Jonas might have needed to rant - hell, in his position I probably would have needed to rant too. But bcc-ing Daniel and sending it to Sarah shows he wanted it to be seen - it's his way of expressing his feelings.

If anything, I think it helps everyone on the forums and stuff to fully understand how he feels right now. I think it's fair enough to have posted it.

Plus, he was really rude to you. What did he expect?

[Silence141]

jonas deserves whatevers coming to him
bree was not ok and what he did was really fudged up.
if bree was ok you wouldnt of had to convince everybody after you had sex with her...
uhg jonas is making me sick right now
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[girlnextdoor]

Naah, I think what Bree did was wrong, I think she knew the only way she could get free of them and back to the Order was to play on Jonas' feelings - therefore she has sex with him and uses that as a way of escaping.
Making Jonas think she was better and trusted him was the only way she could get free.

[EcholaliaRicochet]

I think Jonas needs a firm talking to about Bree, because the way he is reacting to this situation is not good. It hasn't been good since the got Bree back.

She is the one he should be angry at if not at himself.

There are two possible ways to look at what happened between Bree and Jonas.

1) Jonas took extreme advantage of Bree. I know you love her Jonas and I assume your feelings for her are real, but you acted very inappropriately. If Bree was recovering from brainwashing, she was seriously weakened emotionally and mentally. Have you ever seen baby ducks? They'll follow anything and assume it's their mother. By giving Bree his attentions the way he did Jonas had Bree completely under his power... That is BAAAAAAAAAAD news if you involve a sexual relationship.

2) Bree was in "complete" control of her senses and was using Jonas to get a chance to escape. I know that really hurts everyone involved, but it is a possibility. But even if this is the case then Jonas still believed that Bree was recovering from being brainwashed when he became involved with her, so once again I repeat BAD NEWS.

Jonas is acting really badly at the moment, but I guess it is understandable. He does however need to snap out of it. Yes concentrating on finding Bree is important, but raging at your friends like a high-school socialite does not help. Talk to your friends tell truthfully what your problems are, and for the love of jube jubes stop the name calling.

As for everyone else, hang in there, try not to be too hard on him even if he is trying to tear strips off of you all...

All in all I'm not sure if I said anything productive, but I did get to vent my spleen and try to be sympathetic at the same time.
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[anniid]

Whoa whoa whoa.
Everybody calm down!
Yes, Jonas is hurt. Yes, he did some things that were mean, but they are understandable given the circumstances. Okay, so some of them are not what any of us would do given the circumstances.
Yes, Sarah tried to help... and this was the first time I have seen her showing real concern for the issue at hand.
But it was still in her unique way... which Jonas doesn't like, apparently.
Of course, i didn't really appreciate all that knowledge about her sex life. (Although I know some people did...*cough cough* lurker *cough cough*)
Wow that email was feisty.
He shouldn't have sent it at all really... he should have sent something that expressed his frustration without attacking any one.
Then it wouldn't really have mattered who he sent it to... although if he is going to send something to a person, he should probably talk to them...
And poor Daniel is caught in the middle of all this...
But this doesn't mean we need to flip out!
Act! Don't react.
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[girlnextdoor]

It's just the fact that he clearly wanted to say those things to Sarah so why not get off his ass and actually say them instead of posting an email? I think there's more to this...