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LesterG The Order of Denderah
Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Posts: 4267 Location: Missin' my Bad Ass buddy
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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sack36 wrote: | What I'm hearing you guy say is that it was ok for Daniel and Sarah to give Jonas the job of policing Bree 24/7 even though they could see it was going to end up badly. What I hear is that it was Jonas' fault that he couldn't keep awake for three days in a row. Do you really want to say that? |
No one ever told him to do that, he just became obsessed with it. DB and Sarah's only fault was taking advantage of it... but in no way did they tell him anything like " Dude, can you watch Bree, while we go make out over there? "
Jonas, you need to chill out on your accusations and get your head straightened. _________________ Seraph Haku
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sack36 Devoted Fan
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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longlostposter wrote: | sack36 wrote: | What I'm hearing you guy say is that it was ok for Daniel and Sarah to give Jonas the job of policing Bree 24/7 even though they could see it was going to end up badly. What I hear is that it was Jonas' fault that he couldn't keep awake for three days in a row. Do you really want to say that? |
Susan, DB tried to help with the deprogramming with an approach that would have been more effective than what Jonas did, but Jonas would have none of it. He continued on as if the HoO programming hadn't happened at all, and he and Bree were in exactly the same circumstances as they were before she got into that Orderite car. Daniel didn't have a chance help. Jonas insisted on crowding Bree so that he could achieve his end...initiating a romantic relationship with Bree. |
I'm not saying it wouldn't have been difficult to keep Jonas on keel, Juli, but Daniel didn't even try. The deprogramming that Daniel was trying was to berate her and her belief system. When has that been effective on anybody?
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Esteed Enthusiastic Fan
Joined: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 432 Location: Delaware
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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No, what we're saying is that while DB should have maybe tried a little harder to get through to her than he did, Jonas didn't exactly help matters. If Jonas had just listened to Daniel, it could have worked out pretty well, sort of a good cop/bad cop routine.
But oh of course being the bad cop is just such a negative and ineffective thing, and of course Jonas knows how to handle the situation best.
So, what you're saying is the best handling of the situation was the missionary method Jonas ended up using? |
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Esteed wrote: | So, what you're saying is the best handling of the situation was the missionary method Jonas ended up using? |
It sounds like you know quite a bit about what went on in that bedroom. More than the rest of us anyway.
Jonas, will you confirm or deny? |
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mincartaugh Enthusiastic Fan
Joined: 24 Mar 2007 Posts: 347
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:05 am Post subject: |
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There was a poster that gave a pretty comprehensive description of the deprogramming methods. If I could remember where I saw it I would surely tell. But she and her family pulled her brother from a cult and with the help of a professional, deprogrammed him. She said that according to the pros, treating the cult head normally, gently, and with genuine caring was the best method. She said that it would take months, not weeks and that the de-programmed person would never really be the same.
My point is, Esteed, Jonas' approach of wooing her was actually close to the right thing to do. With just a little more friend and a little less lover, he would have been close to getting her back as fully as possible. Daniel's accusatory tone was considered the worst possible thing to do, and would likely drive her back to the Order for good. |
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:15 am Post subject: |
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mincartaugh wrote: | There was a poster that gave a pretty comprehensive description of the deprogramming methods. If I could remember where I saw it I would surely tell. But she and her family pulled her brother from a cult and with the help of a professional, deprogrammed him. She said that according to the pros, treating the cult head normally, gently, and with genuine caring was the best method. She said that it would take months, not weeks and that the de-programmed person would never really be the same.
My point is, Esteed, Jonas' approach of wooing her was actually close to the right thing to do. With just a little more friend and a little less lover, he would have been close to getting her back as fully as possible. Daniel's accusatory tone was considered the worst possible thing to do, and would likely drive her back to the Order for good. |
Mincartaugh?
Lurker wrote: | Esteed wrote: | So, what you're saying is the best handling of the situation was the missionary method Jonas ended up using? |
It sounds like you know quite a bit about what went on in that bedroom. More than the rest of us anyway.
Jonas, will you confirm or deny? |
Nevermind, Jonas. Sarah's taken care of it for us.
So ... confirmed then. |
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Esteed Enthusiastic Fan
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:58 am Post subject: |
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Ah, sorry, didn't mean to give the impression that I actually knew what went on. Missionary is just, from what I understand, the position one uses when one is first starting. Thus I assumed that they went missionary. |
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Joined: 09 Apr 2007 Posts: 321 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:43 am Post subject: |
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longlostposter The Order of Denderah
Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 5186 Location: Louisiana
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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mincartaugh wrote: | There was a poster that gave a pretty comprehensive description of the deprogramming methods. If I could remember where I saw it I would surely tell. But she and her family pulled her brother from a cult and with the help of a professional, deprogrammed him. She said that according to the pros, treating the cult head normally, gently, and with genuine caring was the best method. She said that it would take months, not weeks and that the de-programmed person would never really be the same.
My point is, Esteed, Jonas' approach of wooing her was actually close to the right thing to do. With just a little more friend and a little less lover, he would have been close to getting her back as fully as possible. Daniel's accusatory tone was considered the worst possible thing to do, and would likely drive her back to the Order for good. |
Long time no see, Mincar. You seem to have been lurking. I hope you will continue posting. _________________ You can call me Juli or LLP, whichever suits your fancy.
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sack36 Devoted Fan
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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longlostposter wrote: | mincartaugh wrote: | There was a poster that gave a pretty comprehensive description of the deprogramming methods. If I could remember where I saw it I would surely tell. But she and her family pulled her brother from a cult and with the help of a professional, deprogrammed him. She said that according to the pros, treating the cult head normally, gently, and with genuine caring was the best method. She said that it would take months, not weeks and that the de-programmed person would never really be the same.
My point is, Esteed, Jonas' approach of wooing her was actually close to the right thing to do. With just a little more friend and a little less lover, he would have been close to getting her back as fully as possible. Daniel's accusatory tone was considered the worst possible thing to do, and would likely drive her back to the Order for good. |
Long time no see, Mincar. You seem to have been lurking. I hope you will continue posting. | It wasn't Ronin. I'd borrowed my brother's computer when I was over there the other day. I forgot to log out of his account. Sorry. |
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