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Renegade · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:48 am Post subject:

Oh, how I'd love to complain about the fact that this thread doesn't get locked while mine was killed.

Alas, I'm not allowed to

All hail moderative arbitrariness!
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Killthesmiley · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:42 am Post subject:

Here is my problem with the whole situation:

This whole situation stems from a problem of certain moderators not being to admit to wrong doings. It happened, we all know it did, but no one can fess up to it. I don't know why, because really there is no such thing as pride on the Internet.
All of a sudden, after people point all this faults out, we have this rule. It's not surprising, but it's concerning.

The whole situation reaks of "We screwed up, we know it, but we don't want to hear you anymore, so...pm trainer. Not me." I know it reaks of that, because I know the way some of these people think, because I used to be close to them until I started pointing out faults in private and started stating "fix it or the back lash will be big." Low and behold ....

My bigger problem is the fact where this is coming from:

It's coming from a huge argument about net-ego's getting in the way. And unfortunately this whole rule proves our point. It's not that people were "bashing" moderators, we were just trying to point out the rule breakers, and we wanted some consequences. But all we got in return was a silly remark of gratitude towards the rule breakers and a stupid reason why they were still allowed to do what they do.

"Moderators are choosen for loyalty"

B.S.

Whats unfortunate about this rule IS the fact that it quiets public debate. It becomes this complete and utter sour taste in everyones mouth. People have been complaining about certain moderators and their rule breaking for months to not on BK, but to the creators. And no one wants to deal with it anymore. This is where it comes from, and what do I want to say about it:

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT ANY MORE, THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD WALK AWAY.
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Killthesmiley · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:43 am Post subject:

PS: is anyone wants to read renegades post visit my blog
http://lifeandlovekts.blogspot.com/2007/06/so-maybe-my-head-was-spinning-to-fast.html
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wintermute · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:53 am Post subject:

I'd just like to say that I'm appalled at this new policy. Looks like I picked the wrong time to come back Sad

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Renegade · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:25 am Post subject:

While I consider my posts on public forums expressedly not secret (quite the opposite), and therefore have no problem with them being quoted as a whole or verbatim elsewhere, I would like to point out that I have no connection to my post going up on KTS's blog. That was an independent decision by her.

This is not important because I'm afraid of administrative repercussions or want to distance myself from what I wrote, but because it's important to note that this is an independent string of complaints, not linked to my original post - iow:
The fact that other people created a similar thread, and participants of this new thread unbury the old post shows quite well that this is not my singular opinion, but in fact a concern shared by many posters.
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Killthesmiley · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:35 am Post subject:

Broken Kid · Site Admin Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 5276

I understand people’s questions about this policy. There has always been a strong sense of ownership among the forum members, and that’s a good thing. However, this is a policy that should be in place in any large forum, and it’s clearly needed here.

I’ll respond to a few issues:
- Renegade, there is no favoritism here. This thread was left because I was asleep and other moderators did not remove it. The discussion started quite civilly and on a general scale from QtheC.
- Modelmotion, there was an announcement made to highlight this new policy. No one is hiding anything.
- TOSG, moderator guidelines have always been kept private. These were developed by the moderators and the Creators.

There seems to be an impression in this discussion that moderators are trying to hide something or sneak something by the members, but that’s not true. They are simply trying to do their job in the best interests of the forum. Unfortunately, discussions of moderator actions have not been constructive. A moderator cannot do their job if they are constantly worried about fans piling on and calling them out without knowing even a portion of the facts.

In the grand scheme of things, this will not diminish your experience on the forums. There’s still plenty to discuss and plenty of great folks to interact with. In the meantime, we have policies in place in case you have concerns, and these should work quite well.
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Killthesmiley · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:01 am Post subject:

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Killthesmiley · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:38 am Post subject:

wintermute · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:53 am Post subject:

Thanks for agreeing, spacie, but perhaps I should explain myself a little more before you agree too wholeheartedly Wink

I understand where the new policy comes from. A certain moderator tends to be a bit old-school and gets misunderstood. One of my first interactions with this person was a misunderstanding. But the misunderstanding was quickly resolved and all was good. However, a vocal group here seems to complain about said moderator on a semi-regular basis. Broken Kid rightly stands behind his moderators. Conversation degrades into flamewars. Threads are locked. People get more upset because their thread was locked. People complain about said locked thread.

The way I see it, IMHO, this new policy is meant to short-circuit that and save us all the flames. I don't think it'll work for a couple of reasons. First, people will ignore the new policy and enforcement will be seen as uneven. Second, people will just find other things to start flamewars over...

What's I find appalling is that many of the conversations have value up until the point that they devolve into flamewars. Plus, there's a chilling effect. If this speech is banned here, what's next?

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Broken Kid · Site Admin Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 5276

I will suggest that we can leave this thread open as long as the conversation can be constructive and productive. This thread started that way, with some very good suggestions and constructive discussion. Posts that are not will be deleted.
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Killthesmiley · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:06 am Post subject:

but what constitutes as Constructive to you?
I've seen constructive thread/post be deleted and thrown out.
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