Lonelygirl15

[trainer101]

I left this thread open before retiring for the evening because it started as a civil discourse. I would have hoped more people would be willing to discuss the the matter in a civil fashion and take the time to seriously consider the underlying issues. While some have, others have sadly gone straight into attack mode, underscoring the reasons for the change.

I volunteered to take on this new role with the understanding that I would remain completely neutral with regard to personal disputes. I take that very seriously.

I am merely a first line of reporting to be called on before matters escalate into flame wars. I will personally escalate these matters internally and seek appropriate resolution. Before this change, there were concerns that there seemed to be no procedure in place to deal with issues. Now there is. Like everything else, modifications can be made as we proceed, if warranted.
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[milowent]

its weird how this thread and curious george's absurdist poll thread appear to be converging.

everyone posting in this thread is a forum "heavyweight" who will be able to get their voice heard if they ever feel wronged.

newbies and those less engaged don't seem to be going nuts over the new policy. while i loved renegade's post last night about fascism, i think we are going to be okay.
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[spaciegirlreturn]

[Killthesmiley]

I have to say, i'm getting more and more flustered with the situation.

We're discussing the situation, what seems to be the reason for this situation, and how it could be bettered. If it sound like we're attacking, we're mad. We're angry. We're pissed the hell off. So yes, our words are are going to sound that way. But don't think we're attacking.

We're point out, just another fault and mistake. It's not that we are bashing. All we're saying is that this is jsut another fault within the web site that needs to be discussed and rethought about.

eta: spacie is absolutely right. the backlash has already begun, and it's going to hit hard in the end. It's a vicious cycle yes, but it's one that can be handle in a more respectable mature, OPEN manner then the way we have handled it in the past.
I mean honestly the whole HyeMew sthreads definitely could ahve been handled better.
And especially with this new dictation following it, what do you expect out of us?

Seriously though, I'm quoting BK what I say this "This forum is a democracy."
Don't you think, under that quote, this new rule is a complete and utter disgrace to what we've built this forum on?
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kelly

YOU: Who does that KTS think she is? Total bitch!

ME: I think I'm you, only better.

~Kelly, KMurr, and Kellylen <3~

[QtheC]

My question for everyone thinking about issues of moderation is this...

What is your solution that addresses the needs of the entire community, users and moderators alike, in a fair and reasonable way, benefitting everyone?

In your solution, what is the path for resolution of conflicts? How does it work? ('Resolution' does not mean that everyone agrees in the end, but one hopes it means a degree of communication and fairness are included on the way to a decision.)

Also, I hope there will be more clarity about distinguishing between discussion of specific "moderator actions" when they occur vs. more general discussion and visibility of "moderator policy."

[ApotheosisAZ]

[Killthesmiley]

My solution:

Address the issue in public. State what the issue was, where it stemmed from and your possible resolution.
Open a clear dialog with people about your resolution.
If you do this in private, post in the forum that you are discussing the resolution and post the general idea of the PM in the forum.
Once time has passed and a general idea has been built of what should be done, fit it to the forum etiquette and rules.

Like we did with the flame wars thread back two months ago. We posted a problem, Bk posted what he understood was the problem, purposed a solution, and we discussed it. That work amazingly! There have been very little problems of flaming since then.

To have this forum work well, there must be a clear open dialog, and since the flame war thread, I haven't seen much of that concerning issues that have been discussed in this specific forum. I've heard "This issue is being addressed in private. I will close this thread now," and that is about it.
That isn't fair to some of the people who are a part of the issue, but don't know what is going on. There is no closure, seems to be no consequence and just a lack of respect to our issues.
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kelly

YOU: Who does that KTS think she is? Total bitch!

ME: I think I'm you, only better.

~Kelly, KMurr, and Kellylen <3~

[spaciegirlreturn]

[silverblue]

[wintermute]

I want to clarify a couple of things about my position.

First and foremost, I support whatever policies that the moderators and Creators put in place. You'd think otherwise from an initial reading from my entry into this debate A couple of my comments were off-the-cuff, heat-of-the-moment type of comments without a whole lot of thought before reacting. This policy is meant to help with that

Second, after further reflection, I doubt the new policy will have any effect on any civil discourse such as the flame war thread or this one.

Yes, as it stands, this policy could be abused. But the powers to abuse this, and other, policy are inherent in the software that drives this forum. I think the mods have a good track record of not abusing things up until this point, so I do not fear that they'll start.

What this does do is delegate some of BK's duties to Trainer. It also gives the moderators explicit permission to squash any flamewars related to moderation complaints. It also gives the users an official recourse should that happen, as I doubt a moderator is going to stand against another moderator in a public forum, regardless of how (s)he personally feels. In private, that's a whole different situation.

'mute
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[Killthesmiley]

[spaciegirlreturn]

Silencing "bashing" is one thing..which quite frankly I haven't seen oh so much of, but silencing any and all public criticism is another. Why not just reserve the right to lock a thread once it has turned into bashing. I'm not seeing the validity at all.

Really, what's with the whole deleting aspect, in general? What good does that do? Locking and moving things to the rubbish bin isn't enough? It's just really odd to me that you'd have to totally erase stuff if there's nothing to hide.
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