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SivartAlappes
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:28 am    Post subject: the full poem Reply with quote

I suggested before that perhaps there's a clue if we see the entire poem. So for those of you who don't feel like searching for all the pieces, here's what the entire poem now reads:


Tell me tell me tell me the answer
While you beg it grows like cancer
You're the one with every clue
But Frank has been more help than you
Up here above you never look
So on your head I'll drop a book

The evil priest will make the bed
While the victim nods her head
Once she's bound too late to quit
She'll feel his hands she'll taste his spit
He'll break the seal and thrust inside
She cried she lied she tried she died

Eleven days until my fate
Meets me just inside the gate
Not much time for you to train
Still you bicker and complain
He'll take it with a single phrase
Eleven days eleven days

Inside the gate you will defend
The doe-eyed moppets only friend
The picture has not yet commenced
So depicts a rose in soil fenced
The garden where the killer wined
Still holds the cup for you to find

What men can't understand they curse
What curses back is even worse
When they attack the beast within
The beast without absorbs the sin
They do it in their father's name
They do it to their father's shame

Tell me tell me tell me the answer
While you beg it grows like cancer
You're the one with every clue
But Frank has been more help than you
Eleven days until my fate
Serapis codes hi novice wait
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

we have all the "clues." what we're missing is an interpretation. We don't know what these poems refer to, and how they relate to the pictures. or what our next move should be.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, but you should edit your post and add the corresponding Where, What, When, Who, Why, How word above each paragraph.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frank's zodiac sign is "Cancer"
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

curriguy wrote:
we have all the "clues." what we're missing is an interpretation. We don't know what these poems refer to, and how they relate to the pictures. or what our next move should be.


Don't you remember her first poem? It told us VERY little. I think we already got all the info we can from her at this point. The next clue might be in a garden, but Frank will tell us which one.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

toadlguy wrote:

Did anyone notice that Kerast said this for WHERE lines 3 & 4:
THE PICTURE HAS NOT YET COMMENCED
TO SERAPIS CODES IN SOIL FENCED


WHERE (final)
Inside the gate you will defend
The doe-eyed moppets only friend
The picture has not yet commenced
*So depicts a rose in soil fenced*
The garden where the killer wined
Still holds the cup for you to find

HOW (final)
Tell me tell me tell me the answer
While you beg it grows like cancer
You're the one with every clue
But Frank has been more help than you
Eleven days until my fate
*Serapis codes hi novice wait*

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So depicts a rose in soil fenced
serapis codes hi novice wait
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wait... where's a link to the poems prior to this big one? I just thought of something. In the one poem before the big one, she used "Doe-eyed" (the doe-eyed...)and then in the line following "BUT Cassie does not rest in peiece. I think our Doe-eyed moppet is cassie! Therefore "The doe-eyed moppet's only friend" is not one of BREE'S friends, but CASSIE'S! Cassie's only friend? Well, we know Bree WAS her only friend until she got wigged out by Bree's religion. So who (or what) would have become her only friend after that?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
So depicts a rose in soil fenced
serapis codes hi novice wait

I've been reading kelrast's posts lately...and he's thrown out wrong guesses.

for example:

kelrast wrote:
What about this?

THE PICTURE HAS NOT YET COMMENCED
TO SERAPIS CODES IN SOIL FENCED


That guess was unanimously agreed to be incorrect.
what does this mean?..apparently he's not superhuman. and he can be wrong.

I'll buy "so depicts a rose"

but
codes serapis hi novice wait?

that's the lamest translation I've ever heard. and clearly incorrect. it's thoroughly incoherent.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

could be that he's just being clever

either trying to now throw us off, or pointing out "dots" to be connected
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i agree... whoever came up with the anagram twice thing, i think it's pretty good.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, consider what pcbbc had to say about that:

http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=25321#25321
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

curriguy wrote:
codes serapis hi novice wait?

that's the lamest translation I've ever heard. and clearly incorrect. it's thoroughly incoherent.
It's actually correct I think.
If you read the end of the HOW solving thread you'll see it is two other anagrams which yield the final answer: CASSIE PROSED: A VOICE WITHIN

Edit: Thanks for the link bosquelito


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

curriguy wrote:
Quote:
So depicts a rose in soil fenced
serapis codes hi novice wait

I've been reading kelrast's posts lately...and he's thrown out wrong guesses.

for example:

kelrast wrote:
What about this?

THE PICTURE HAS NOT YET COMMENCED
TO SERAPIS CODES IN SOIL FENCED


That guess was unanimously agreed to be incorrect.
what does this mean?..apparently he's not superhuman. and he can be wrong.

I'll buy "so depicts a rose"

but
codes serapis hi novice wait?

that's the lamest translation I've ever heard. and clearly incorrect. it's thoroughly incoherent.


Actually it is correct. As discussed in the solving thread.
The first part is our old friend telling us that an anagram follows.
The second part anagrams to A Voice Within

Now look at Frank's blog: titled A Voice Within. Then look at the first letter from each paragraph of his first blog: C O D E S I N T O S E R A P I S

edit: sorry for the repeat. Looks like a lot of others replied already while I was typing up this post
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:25 pm    Post subject: interpretations of the full poem and new picture Reply with quote

Sorry for creating a new post, but I think we need a place to compile our FULL interpretations of the poem along with the new pic (w/overlays).

I would say only post here if you think you have an interpretation for the whole poem that makes some kind of sense, not just an interpretation for one line. Also, the interpretation should fit with the pictures.

http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=answerscaledtb8.jpg

Here is mine:

Who = You/us (based on the mirror), however we have missed something/done something wrong and so we need Frank's help. His help may be in the form of a new drop.

What = I think we are all on about the same page here. We are talking about a ceremony of some sort. This fits with the pic of the "evil priest". Based on the rest of the poem I think Bree is the person taking part in the ceremony (I'll get into that in a minute)

When = That easy, the 12th. But I think maybe that the ceremony has something to do with a birth or sex ritual based on the picture of a baby crowning. That picture also correlates to Crowley's birthday and confirms this goes down on the 12th.

Where = This one seams still in the open. But we think that it is a park or cemitary. I think Bree has been at this location before (she is the doe-eyed moppet) and perhaps the killer drank wine we Bree performed her purification (or whatever that was) ritual a few weeks back. That could fit the pic if part of that ritual had Bree and this other person share wine.

Why = "What men cant understand" refers to Daniel, he does not know what is going on with Bree. But he stands to be cursed back, probably by the people performing the ceremony when they attack the "beast" which is DanielBeast. Fathers name and shame has to do with Bree who is about to die a martyrs (the pic behind this verse) death.

How = How do we protect Daniel, we have the clues but we need Franks help, "Serapis codes, hi novice, wait" which anagrams into... Cassie prosed (or writes) th voice within (Frank's blog) which is confirmed by the pic for this verse.

My conclusion:

We (you) along with help from Frank need to stop/come to the rescue during/or before this ceremony that takes place on the 12th at a cemetery/park (location TBD) because Daniel is going to be harmed trying to protect Bree who is about to die a martyrs death. How we do this is by following the clues with the help of Frank. Cassie fits in because she already must know something about this religion, when she found out about it she tried to warn Bree but was silienced. Now she wants us to save Daniel before he suffers her same fate trying to warn/help Bree.

Sorry that is so long, but I think it is good to have in one place.

Please share your thoughts and personal full poem/pictures interpretations.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no, that was good info. I hadn't heard about the first letters in Franks first post thing.


though, now I wonder if they're right, maybe the whole blog is an anagram Wink
If so... I'm gonna just prepare the funerary proceedings for our coming victim cuz I'm not gonna do an anagram like that Shocked
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