Lonelygirl15

[Holden]

I just received this bulletin from Dr. Immant on my YouTube:

"In a strange case of art imitating life I've been contacted by a member of the O.T.O. and asked to remove their symbol at the end of my vids due to possible copyright infringement. I've been struggling with how to handle this. First this person decided to report me to YouTube and Revver before contacting me to see if I would comply with his request. That just rubs me the wrong way. Secondly, I don't know if religious symbols are really protected by copyright. Wouldn't this mean the Vatican would have to get a cut everytime a cross is seen? How is what I'm doing here any different than the DaVinci code? Lastly, I feel like my 1st amendment rights are being infringed upon.

Even though this person is a member of the OTO I realize I shouldn't hold it against them. I actually don't mind editing the vids out of respect for the OTO. If you see them gone for a while, that is why.

If I'm gone, they got me. Tell my mother that I love her.
j/k...I hope..."

[toadlguy]

Those Thelemites (or OTO or whatever) are a techy lot. Sounds like Scientologists - lets sue anyone who has anything to say about us.
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[spaciegirlreturn]

Hmm...sounds like controversy for controversy's sake...I wonder who would've done that?
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[Luv2Luvem]

I wondered why he pulled his videos and them put them right back up. i guess I got my answer.

[iamcool]

i think they have been took back down
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My lawyers told me to edit the content of this signature so i didn't get sued

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[Luv2Luvem]

They are on my YT right now.

[iamcool]

i cant find them

link pretty plzzzzzzzz
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[Luv2Luvem]

http://youtube.com/profile?user=immant


Here you go!

Just remember that they have been modified. If you haven't seen them yet, the dates may throw you off. The first 2 were actually posted BEFORE Bree's ceremony AND Daniel's video where it seems that we get a glimpse of Immant.

[iamcool]

[Sfonzarelli]

All of the groups claiming to be the OTO right now are a bunch of tools. They're like Catholics who drink too much and have too much sex. (In other words, normal Catholics)
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[tannhaus]

I'm the one that mentioned the copyright infringement and asked him to remove the lamen. The lamen is not just a regular religious symbol. It is a symbol of the Ordo Templi Orientis - order of the temple of the east. By speaking about his involvement with the "order" and then flashing that at the end, anyone not following lonelygirl15 would think he is speaking for the order of the temple of the east...OTO and not the Order of Denderah. Besides that, it's definite copyright infringement.

As far as the way he states the bulletin, I will include my correspondence with him:

I have already contacted revver and youtube as a concerned member of the Ordo Templi Orientis.

The lamen you use in your videos is under OTO copyright. I'm not sure if you're aware or not, but the Ordo Templi Orientis or "Order of the Temple of the East" is a legitimate religious order within the United States as well as other countries.

I understand what you're doing is fanfiction, but by speaking of the "order" and using the lamen of the OTO, it appears that you are making statements for our order.

I would personally ask that you remove the lamen from your videos you already have on the site and not use it unless you have permission from the copyright holders. I do not speak for the Order and I'm personally trying to get this issue resolved without bothering our legal department with it.

Thelema is a much maligned religion. A lot of innacuracies exist on the web concerning the religion. But, it is a real religion with real followers. I would personally ask that you keep that in mind and don't do anything to cast aspersions on us. It may be legal to do so, but it's not in very good form.

As far as your use of the lamen and any statements about our order, those may be infringing upon existing copyright.

Thanks

his reply:

I really wish you would have asked me to edit the videos BEFORE reporting me. Although I believe I am within my first amendment rights and am unsure religious symbols can be covered by copyright I would have gladly complied. I really don't see how this is any different then the DaVinci Code. I'm Catholic and I just didn't go see it nor Passion of the Christ for that matter but I don't disagree with their right to be made. You have vids about Voodoo! While you think you portray it in a fair light- how do you know there isn't someone out there who disagrees with your depiction? The difference with my vids is that they are clearly entertainment.

If you noticed I have never referred to the Ordo Templi Orientis by name. Lonelygirl15 has fictionalized it by calling it the Order of Denderah. I always wanted my vids to stand alone so I didn't even want to use that. I apologize for any disrespect but please understand none was intended. In good faith and out of respect for the OTO I will not make any futher vids using the lamen. In return...cut me some slack, I have to make this right with YouTube now. I'll edit the current vids as soon as I can.

My reply to that:

Well, the OTO is a legal corporation as well as a legal religious entity. The lamen is the symbol of the OTO. I guess in a way you could think of it as their trademark. While normal religious iconography is in the public domain (such as the unicursal hexagram on the lonelygirl15 site) the lamen is a symbol of the OTO itself. So, that's the major difference. You're not dealing with a religion with that lamen, you're dealing with a specific organization. That is why the lamen can be and was granted copyright.

I did notice that you didn't refer to the OTO by name, but you did by symbol. By using the lamen and talking about "the order", it appears you're speaking about the OTO and not the Order of Denderah.

But, I am cutting you slack...I have. To be honest, I thought your videos would have been very entertaining without the lamen. The first one I saw, I enjoyed until I saw the lamen. I think you're doing the best fan videos out there. But, it can be done without casting aspersions about a real order.

I purposely did not go to the legal department with this first. You're right...it would have been better if I had come to you first instead of going to youtube. But, I didn't even think you'd be on youtube until someone mentioned seeing you. I saw your videos originally on the lonelygirl site as a response..hosted on revver.com. So I reported it to revver..then to youtube....and only then thought about messaging you. For that, I apologize.

But, I'm glad this was worked out. I appreciate your making amends. I also look forward to being able to enjoy your videos in the future.

He then said that he was going to try to spin this to explain the videos taken down and being reposted and I said that was fine by me....

So there you have it.

[Sfonzarelli]

Caliphite!
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