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Ruberic
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| ladron121 wrote: | Only those that do not understand the real world resort to such simple terms as "good" and "evil". Life is not that simple, no matter how hard you wish it.
Why do they tell us nothing? It would surprise you how well informed we really are.
Why did they kidnap and drug Daniel? I believe in the video "Drinking Problems" Daniel admits to going willingly with the Cowboy. And he also admitted to a drinking problem that stems from his parents own alcoholism.
Why did they kill her father? Where's the body? How do you know he is dead?
Free will without rules leads to anarchy. That is why the government that was formed by the Constitution creates and enforces laws. Because if everyone got to do whatever they pleased, anarchy would reign.
Your historical comparisons do not fit here. I never said that rebellion is not justified. You filled in your own blanks off your uninformed bias of our organization. Fearing what you do not understand is the hallmark of ignorance, and I do feel sorry for you. I will say that murder and theft are not justified, which your precious Tachyon and brother excel at. But there is probably no way we can talk you out of your fantasy land of absolutes.
Nothing is absolute... |
Ah, my dear Lad, this is where your philosophy breaks down.
You state that nothing is absolute. So, absolutely nothing is absolute? My friend, that is impossible. There are absolutes, there must be absolutes.
Opaphid wants to grey those areas. Make us all believe that anything is believable. To submit your will to the order since the order will be the only thing to keep you safe from the chaos of no absolutes. It is tempting...until you realize what it requires.
To submit to this thought is to give up your free will, blindn acceptance of all the order gives you "for your protection". Any thought outside this order is a threat to the order itself. It demands slavery of the believer, it demands total submission to any possiblity outside what is offered.
Oppy only offers one thing. Slavery for the order's own reason. You become responsible to them, never the other way around. You become no more than an ant in their colony.
Bree, you made the right choice. Fight for free will. Fight for a better world free from Oppy. As your father died for your freedom, give your life so others in the order may taste freedom as well!
As a father myself...I encourage you to fight and give your life for the freedom of others!
-Ruberic
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tech4u2hire
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Goedel a famous mathmatician had an interesting way of looking at this sort of thing.....he stated that to ABSOLUTELY prove any mathmatical function you would have to prove the validity of the SYSTEM with which you are analyzing it.....to prove the VALIDITY of the system one would either have to use the SYSTEM which you are trying to prove....crating an INFINITE loop of analysis, or one could use another numbering system for analysis, but to PROVE your analysis was ABSOLUTE you would also need to prove the VALIDITY of the other number system......its all an infinite loop of ANALYSIS.
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anniid
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why do you opaphid supporters always sound creepy?
You'd convince me a lot sooner if you weren't creepy.
But anyway...
Bree, don't worry about these guys; follow your heart.
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Magesa
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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anniid: They're creepy because no matter how well they argue their twisted ideas, we know how twisted they are. Ruberic put it really well when he said that they've been drawn into OpAphid's world, where anything is believable. They don't have their hearts, so it makes sense, which is why your advice to Bree is so good. (Of course, they could just being having fun with us... )
tech4u2hire: That's very interesting! It makes you think about how much we have to rely on our systems through faith.
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Nieriel.Manwathiel
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nice try.
"If she [tachy] says we can trust him [brother] than we can trust him!"
you lost her, guys.
here; maybe a toy will make u feel better....
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Ziola
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| And you all think that Tachyon really has Bree's best interest at heart? She sent them back to Jonas' house, knowing full well that Op would know where it is. And when we see Op's agent, what was he doing? Watching, of course. He didn't try to take Bree when she was outside, nor did he try to inflict bodily harm on Jonas. Tachyon has her own agenda and Bree is simply a pawn in her game. Nothing more, nothing less. |
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Magesa
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Ziola wrote: | | And you all think that Tachyon really has Bree's best interest at heart? She sent them back to Jonas' house, knowing full well that Op would know where it is. And when we see Op's agent, what was he doing? Watching, of course. He didn't try to take Bree when she was outside, nor did he try to inflict bodily harm on Jonas. Tachyon has her own agenda and Bree is simply a pawn in her game. Nothing more, nothing less. |
What should Tachyon have done? Drag Bree around the place with her, while Bree films Tachyon and her cover is destroyed?
Why would Tachyon have saved Bree, then? She went to a lot of trouble.
Bree, Jonas, and Daniel are as safe at Jonas's house as they are anywhere else. The Order won't hurt them yet. You saw. No harm done. Tachyon will step in again when the time is right.
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Ziola
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess the point that I am trying to get across is that Tach is on a personal vendetta. She has no real interest in Bree and the boys, only in messing with the Order. |
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Nieriel.Manwathiel
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| Ziola wrote: | | And you all think that Tachyon really has Bree's best interest at heart? She sent them back to Jonas' house, knowing full well that Op would know where it is. And when we see Op's agent, what was he doing? Watching, of course. He didn't try to take Bree when she was outside, nor did he try to inflict bodily harm on Jonas. Tachyon has her own agenda and Bree is simply a pawn in her game. Nothing more, nothing less. |
so that makes Oppy exactly like Tachy.
but.... Oppy has never mentioned Watchers.....
Who says the Watchers are a part of OpAPHID?
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ladron121
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Nieriel.Manwathiel wrote: |
but.... Oppy has never mentioned Watchers.....
Who says the Watchers are a part of OpAPHID? |
Oppy has mentioned watchers, several times. Mostly she refers to them as "babysitters". They have also mentioned in the LG and Gemma vids that watchers are part of the order  |
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Danielle
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| anniid wrote: | why do you opaphid supporters always sound creepy?
You'd convince me a lot sooner if you weren't creepy.
But anyway...
Bree, don't worry about these guys; follow your heart. |
If intellect and correct capitalization is creepy, then sign me up.
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Magesa
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| Danielle wrote: | | anniid wrote: | why do you opaphid supporters always sound creepy?
You'd convince me a lot sooner if you weren't creepy.
But anyway...
Bree, don't worry about these guys; follow your heart. |
If intellect and correct capitalization is creepy, then sign me up. |
Its only creepy when it has no heart in it. Like OpAphid's arguments.
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Ziola
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Danielle
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| Magesa wrote: | | Danielle wrote: | | anniid wrote: | why do you opaphid supporters always sound creepy?
You'd convince me a lot sooner if you weren't creepy.
But anyway...
Bree, don't worry about these guys; follow your heart. |
If intellect and correct capitalization is creepy, then sign me up. |
Its only creepy when it has no heart in it. Like OpAphid's arguments. |
We have a lot of hearts, we just keep them on ice.
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Jo_16_2
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:24 am Post subject: |
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We have a lot of hearts, we just keep them on ice. |
then you roast them and eat it? 
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