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ApotheosisAZ
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 Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:22 am Post subject: California Penal Code, Section 207 |
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Hey Bree, read this:
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(a) Every person who forcibly, or by any other means of instilling fear, steals or takes, or holds, detains, or arrests any person in this state, and carries the person into another country, state, or county, or into another part of the same county, is guilty of kidnapping. |
You are now, by all legal definition, guilty of kidnapping.
You might respond that The Order is also guilty of kidnapping, but that would be a lie. The Order had Daniel as a guest, as his video "Miss Me?" proved. The mask he wore in that Tachyon propaganda video, "Human Ransom?" I'll bet that was his idea.
Daniel has just finished filming some more proof against you, Bree. Is he really on your side? Perhaps he just needed a little something to turn over to the authorities for a plea-bargain. He can't be trusted.
You should immediately free Jonas. He has learned his lesson; trusting strangers on the internet is a bad idea; and he might not turn you in.
Finally, you need to go to your mother. She is the only one left who you can trust. Have you even spoken to her about the information your father gave you?
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: |
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You do need to let Jonas go, that last video was too much like an OpAphid video and well we all know that Daniel is the one that does the editing. HMMM!! Think about it.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: |
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*GASP*
Bree! I am so disappoited.
You better hope Jonas doesn't hate you after this.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: Re: California Penal Code, Section 207 |
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| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | Perhaps he just needed a little something to turn over to the authorities for a plea-bargain. |
This almost sounds like entrapment. Isn't that illegal too?
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: California Penal Code, Section 207 |
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| AutoPilate wrote: | | ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | Perhaps he just needed a little something to turn over to the authorities for a plea-bargain. |
This almost sounds like entrapment. Isn't that illegal too? |
Entrapment involves the authorities themselves setting up the situation, either alone or in cooperation with a civilian. However, just as important, it also entails that the guilty party would have not committed the crime without the police's involvement (such as trying to coerce someone into doing something through threats).
In what can be a rather stupid technicality, just presenting someone the opportunity to commit a crime and then arresting them for being willing to go through with it isn't entrapment.
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | Daniel has just finished filming some more proof against you, Bree. Is he really on your side? |
One could ask if he's really even on his own side. He's filmed himself breaking into three different places (two of them private residences, and one of them the property of a privately-owned business), and now this. He even said he went along with Jonas' capture, and he's so far made no physical attempt to free him. He's no more innocent in the legal sense than Bree.
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | Perhaps he just needed a little something to turn over to the authorities for a plea-bargain. |
That's not how plea bargains work. For him to use a tape like this in a plea bargain, the authorities would need to have no other access to it. Given that Daniel has placed it into the public domain, such an option would not exist for him.
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | He can't be trusted. |
He might be trustworthy, but those who spin propaganda for OpAphid aren't. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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oh, snap!  |
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ApotheosisAZ
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Well, Bree, now that Jonas is free with the evidence against you, perhaps you will reconsider my suggestion that you seek out your mother.
She's the only mother you've ever known. How can suggesting that you merely speak with her be of any harm?
The people here who would have you believe that I am spinning the propaganda have got everything backwards. I'm not surprised at their confusion.
The Order clearly wants to help you fulfill your goals in life. That traitorous little skank, Tachyon, would not only like to destroy them, but she doesn't mind destroying you in the process. She's a liar, and is merely using you.
Has your mother ever lied to you? Betrayed you? No.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | Well, Bree, now that Jonas is free with the evidence against you, perhaps you will reconsider my suggestion that you seek out your mother. |
The evidence is already on the series of tubes.
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | She's the only mother you've ever known. How can suggesting that you merely speak with her be of any harm? |
Yeah, 'cause it's not like the people she's been shacking up with are involved in any dirty stuff like assassination, kidnapping, brainwashing, or -- oh. Wait, I'm sorry, I must be thinking of another global band of nutjobs. Your mother and her pals are pretty whacked-out, actually.
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | The Order clearly wants to help you fulfill your goals in life. |
Goals which they've defined for you without ever asking what you wanted, and which they intend to make you fulfill regardless of your wishes -- simply because it's what they want.
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | That traitorous little skank, Tachyon, would not only like to destroy them... |
They only destroyed her family, kept her from having a peaceful life, and possibly killed her sister. That ungrateful brat.
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | Has your mother ever lied to you? |
Only your whole life.
"When have I led you wrong? Oh, right."
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | Betrayed you? |
There's only that whole thing about you being hounded relentlessly for months, your dad being shot, your best friend being kidnapped, and the infuriating delusion that is the notion of you getting to make your own choice in all this entirely free of coercion. Other than that, no, the bitch hasn't betrayed you at all. |
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ApotheosisAZ
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Brainwashing, Bree? See how Tachyon's propaganda has the people here believing her lies? If that's not brainwashing, what is?
No, Tachyon has a story; a fictional one. Where's the proof? We all simply believe the lies and deceit of someone we all know to be a traitor?
Is it so wrong to hear both sides of the story? Do you simply want to take everything your father told you at face value? I am loathe to speak ill of the dead, but was he being honest with you?
Your mother has the answers, Bree. I'm not suggesting that you go to her, but I don't think any harm can come from hearing her side of the story.
Is there no way for you to arrange a safe communication with her? That's all I'm suggesting. Isn't that fair?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | Brainwashing, Bree? See how Tachyon's propaganda has the people here believing her lies? If that's not brainwashing, what is? |
Yeah, because Tachyon is such a social butterfly. We all get together, have parties, she tells us what she wants us to report... you know, just like every person that's hiding their identity while they run from place to place.
By the way, the above argument suggests Daniel was never brainwashed during that whole "Miss Me?" thing. Reconcile that with his behavior otherwise if you can. I sure as heck can't.
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | No, Tachyon has a story; a fictional one. Where's the proof? |
We were only introduced to the story by your old pal, Gemma - and God knows she wasn't on the Order's side or anyth - oh, damn. I keep forgetting.
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | We all simply believe the lies and deceit of someone we all know to be a traitor? |
I guess this must be one of those "we all know" things along the same lines as "we all know global warming is a hoax." OpAPHID's atrocities are a myth, or some kind of urban legend - you know, like the earth orbiting the sun and the planet being round. Don't even get me started on that fake moon landing thing.
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | Do you simply want to take everything your father told you at face value? I am loathe to speak ill of the dead, but was he being honest with you? |
Yeah, Bree. I mean, it's not like the things you've been able to observe speak for themselves or anything. See, Op cares about you. She and her goons - I mean henchmen - wait, I mean... associates... they care about you. They realize you're too mentally challenged to put two and two together and get four on your own. Let them help.
You poor girl. You're simply not intelligent enough to figure out that whatever those upstanding citizens might want to achieve - which is undoubtedly in your best interests and those of the greater good - is justified by any and all foul actions they commit in the process. You know what they say about the road to heaven. It's paved with good intentions.
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That is the road to heaven, right? ...Right? Oh dear.
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | Is it so wrong to hear both sides of the story?
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Your mother has the answers, Bree. I'm not suggesting that you go to her, but I don't think any harm can come from hearing her side of the story.
Is there no way for you to arrange a safe communication with her? That's all I'm suggesting. Isn't that fair? |
It's actually not that bad to listen to her side of things. But she can put it on the internet if she wants to tell it, and you can hear it then. Until such time as she does that - tough noogies, woman. |
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ApotheosisAZ
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Lurker wrote: | | By the way, the above argument suggests Daniel was never brainwashed during that whole "Miss Me?" thing. Reconcile that with his behavior otherwise if you can. I sure as heck can't. |
I can help with that, Bree.
We have all seen the way Daniel turned to alcohol to solve his problems, but once he had been a guest of The Order, they sobered him up. He should thank them.
| Lurker wrote: | | We were only introduced to the story by your old pal, Gemma - and God knows she wasn't on the Order's side or anyth - oh, damn. I keep forgetting. |
I guess Lurker is trying to say that Gemma told all of us about Tachyon. I guess maybe that's why she was murdered, Bree. Perhaps you had better keep private any more information that you get about Tachyon.
| Lurker wrote: | | It's actually not that bad to listen to her side of things. But she can put it on the internet if she wants to tell it, and you can hear it then. Until such time as she does that - tough noogies, woman. |
Bree, as you can tell, Lurker and myself have two different views regarding the situation, but we actually agree here. The idea that your mother should have to publicly post videos to you seems cold and heartless. Don't you have any fondness for her at all? She's your mother.
Give her a call, or something.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | Lurker wrote: | | By the way, the above argument suggests Daniel was never brainwashed during that whole "Miss Me?" thing. Reconcile that with his behavior otherwise if you can. I sure as heck can't. |
I can help with that, Bree.
We have all seen the way Daniel turned to alcohol to solve his problems, but once he had been a guest of The Order, they sobered him up. He should thank them. |
In other words, Bree, you're being asked to entertain the notion that Daniel is constantly drunk, and - since September - has only been sober for the few days he was a "guest" of the Order.
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | I guess Lurker is trying to say that Gemma told all of us about Tachyon. I guess maybe that's why she was murdered, Bree. Perhaps you had better keep private any more information that you get about Tachyon. |
I think it probably had more to do with the attempted murder of Brother.
By the way, isn't it great how quickly Op propaganda tries to sidetrack you? One moment Tachyon's story is a complete fabrication, even though a dedicated member of the Order is the one who first mentioned it. The next, it's true, but Tachyon's still no good because she arranged an axe to fall on the "squealer."
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | Bree, as you can tell, Lurker and myself have two different views regarding the situation, but we actually agree here. The idea that your mother should have to publicly post videos to you seems cold and heartless. Don't you have any fondness for her at all? She's your mother.
Give her a call, or something. |
Slight correction. We agree in so far as it's fine for you to listen to what your mother has to say. That said... don't call her or give her anything to trace. If she wants to talk to you, she knows where the internet is. |
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ApotheosisAZ
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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Bree, I was suggesting that Lurker was telling you that Gemma is the one who told us all about Tachyon, and that maybe that was why she was murdered. Obviously, there is some reason for Lurker to believe otherwise, but I don't see it.
Since Lurker is obviously going to try to tell you the opposite of almost everything I say, then who is spinning propaganda here?
Tachyon was willing to roll a flash-bang grenade into an enclosed elevator with you inside, Bree. I think that tells you just how concerned she is with your safety.
By all means, use some untraceable communication method to contact your mom, Bree. It is very unfair not to communicate with her.
A letter, perhaps? Maybe e-mail? I'm not sure why these precautions are needed to protect you from your own mom, but by all means, do what you need to do to feel safe.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | Bree, I was suggesting that Lurker was telling you that Gemma is the one who told us all about Tachyon, and that maybe that was why she was murdered. Obviously, there is some reason for Lurker to believe otherwise, but I don't see it. |
This may help you see a little more clearly.
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | Since Lurker is obviously going to try to tell you the opposite of almost everything I say, then who is spinning propaganda here? |
Well, when I use the term I'm using it in terms of its negative connotation - the deliberate dissemination of false information, often riddled with logical errors of some kind or another, for the purpose of misleading. Now, I suppose we're both employing propaganda in the original, neutral sense of the word, but one of us, and only one of us, is using it in the sense that's allowed it to gain a negative connotation.
I think the facts on which one that is speak for themselves.
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | | Tachyon was willing to roll a flash-bang grenade into an enclosed elevator with you inside, Bree. I think that tells you just how concerned she is with your safety. |
Yep, God knows that a flash grenade (which is specifically designed not to cause serious or lasting injury) that you knew was coming - and had arranged with Tachyon to use - being rolled into an elevator to facilitate your escape is a sign that Tach's got it in for you.
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | By all means, use some untraceable communication method to contact your mom, Bree. It is very unfair not to communicate with her.
A letter, perhaps? Maybe e-mail? I'm not sure why these precautions are needed to protect you from your own mom, but by all means, do what you need to do to feel safe. |
I'm sensing a self-conflicted message here.
Anyway, as you said, it's up to Bree to decide to make contact or not. Just as it's up to Bree to decide if she believes it unfair to not give her mom a means of getting to her.
P.S. If you're unsure why Bree might need to take precautions to protect herself from her mom, you've not been watching the videos. But, that's right, you do know. I forget that I'm speaking with an Op minion. |
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*pops some popcorn*
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