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ShardinsKitten · Devoted Fan Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 934

Personally he is only removed as PM (or that's all the creators said) He may still be writing/directing/editing or whatever else he does. Which makes sense to me...

1. Not many people would trust him as PM after this. We can say innocent until proven guilty all we want. But that's not the way it really works, as much as we would like to believe it.

2. If it is still the case, he can still help write/direct/edit for OpAphid, Tachyon, and Brother. He just wont be the PM so someone else would probably be doing the puzzles, clues, character interactions and drops. This seems fair.

3. Even if they let him go completely, It'd have to be for good reason, I think. If nothing else, just to cover themselves if something else did go on. (which I would think would be more of a "leave" until everything got cleared up and figured out).

All we can hope is the next PM wont be revealed until after it is over. Though since the creators have said this is a "never ending" story, in that as long as people watch it, and participate they'll keep doing it, I dunno if that will be possible, and I dunno if their "never ending" idea applies to the ARG as well.

Really I think it was a wise choice as of now. We really can't do anything but wait for more facts and see how all the cards fall.

We could get more facts, with out having to disclose the particulars of who, and really I think we all have a right to know. Especially if they are keeping Glen on as a writer/director/editor whatever. Though the names of the girls shouldn't be revealed unless they give their permission.

chershaytoute · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject:

I am very hopeful The Creators are able to get hold of the actual server logs of all the alleged incidents - and until they are proven, they are alleged. This is a country in which we are all innocent until proven guilty. And at this moment, Glenn is innocent of everything he has been accused of until those actual server logs have been read. Accusations are just that.

This puts my mind at odds with itself. Do I hope that the server logs will prove the accusations are lies...or that they are the truth?

Either one, to my way of thinking, is equally disturbing...

On the question at hand though...

If, in fact, Glenn was doing as accused, should he be fired? I honestly don't know. I am very hopeful that once The Creators have had a chance to go through the server logs - where the only real evidence lies - they can make a decision based on the facts. But...there's a problem. They will also have to make a decision based on opinion, even after weighing those facts - because everything was said in public...and what's been said is always very hard to unsay...

So regardless of what is the truth, I don't envy The Creators' decision here...

I do like the idea that he will continue to write - his writing has added a great deal of scope to the Breeniverse as we know it. But I don't really think he can come back as the PM for the ARG...but, again, it's The Creator's choice...and not one I envy...nor one I would choose to make.

Edit: because I do love my own opinion and just can't wait to hear more of it! Rolling Eyes

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bethy · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject:

Honestly? Whether or not he was let go as the PM of the ARG is none of our business. If he were working for the creators, that's a personnel decision and none of our concern.

Our concern is the PM and the game players and how they interact with each other, and what is and what isn't acceptable methods of obtaining (or giving) information....not any specific individuals. If the creators are going to find a new PM or PMs...great, then we discuss them as the PM. If certain players cheated...they need to be removed from the game.

But in the end, this shows we need better game rules and better adherence to them.

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nobackspacebutton · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:38 am Post subject:

Innocent until proven guilty?

Or have we all already hanged him?
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gogo · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:48 am Post subject:

What I find interesting is that since a PM of an ARG is supposed to remain hidden, it is really not possible for viewers and/or players to know how involved Rubenstein is/will be with the ARG. Obviously, he did create these characters and their story. If he is still involved in the main story, who is to say he will really not be involved in the “revamped” ARG? Right now, emotions are running high, but it seems like many of the ARGers just want a game to play where their hard work is honestly rewarded.

Rubenstein obviously has talent, but seems inexperienced at running ARGs. I believe from info at the lgpedia and other sources, this is his first attempt at an PMing an ARG. Honestly, offering clues to people who are willing to share something in return seems like the way of the world. After all, in the story, our trio went to the vets to get a human fixed and receive a prescription for human painkillers, and many viewers responded with the idea that people can be easily bought. It seems like this is the same kind of situation. Allegedly, some people were willing to use currency (in this case- alleged nude photos) in exchange for services (answers).

I am not sure whether or not the PM should have been asked to leave because of this situation. No one was forced into anything. Cheating is immoral, but if people are so bent on cheating, they will find a way to cheat. People cheat all the time in life (unfortunately). LG15, for example, began by attaching their "real" videos as responses to very popular YouTubers’ videos in the hopes of getting noticed or using the popular YouTubers' large audiences. They cleverly “cheated” their way into our hearts with their compelling videos.

I do feel bad for the earnest ARGers who tried their hardest to play this game, and watched as others were “successful” and some were even recognized/thanked in a video. Some ARGers have stated that they are only around for the game, not the story. I wonder if it will ever be possible for the story and game to work together for a larger cohesive base of viewers/participants. It is indeed a quandary, especially considering the time it takes to present all this for free to viewers. This production teams needs some financial backing. I am sure they cannot live forever on the admiration of lonelycrackheads.

Therefore, in my humble (and meaningless) opinion, I am not sure it matters if the PM is no longer the PM even if he continues with the show. Again, how involved will he be? We'll never know. In addition, if this situation has made people so disturbed, why would this individual stay on with the production? It is a quandry.

I feel guilty posting this because I am not an ARGer at all, and I feel like I am just weighing in because I feel like weighing in. I don't have any solutions or anything. I guess I just feel confused by a situation that is really none of my business. Please excuse me if I am all wrong about the info. This has been a rubber-necking situation for me. Embarassed

I am not proud of being intrigued by this...
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Killthesmiley · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:52 am Post subject:

itsreallyreal · Devoted Fan Joined: 16 Jan 2007 Posts: 788

And move on... .. .
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wintermute · Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject:

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