Lonelygirl15

[Danielle]

[curiousGeorge]

You logic is horribly flawed. Deleting posts only gives the impression that something did indeed happen.

Letting the posts stand for review is the way to let people know that things are NOT being covered up. My presumption is that something did happen and that the deletions are the result of some ill fated damage control.

Bad PR and exactly what just got Scooter Libby convicted.
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All Your Base are Belong to Bukanator

[Languorous Lass]

I am completely flabbergasted that posts that were deemed "off topic" were actually moved to the Rubbish Bin.

When I read this thread, I had just posted in Mintgurl's original thread that I thought it was wrong to create a separate thread that began with George's post providing factual evidence that contradicted one of Jewely's statements. Now I see that the posts (including one of my own, which simply offered to provide information about sexual harassment law) were originally not just spun off, but trashed.

This situation is getting wildly out of hand -- and I'm not talking about the Glenn situation, I'm talking about the actions of the moderators.

I don't know who took the original action (meaning trashing the "off-topic" posts), but whoever it was, I think that mod should step down. His or her actions are inconsistent with those of a fair and impartial moderator.

I also think that the posts that have been deleted outright should be restored, perhaps in a separate thread that is clearly labeled "Speculation" -- labeled, that is, if they genuinely contain only speculation, and don't contain statements concerning the poster's personal experience, or what the person was told by someone who did personally have interchanges with Glenn/the creators/anyone else involved.

The actions of the mod who moved the posts to the Rubbish Bin have undermined, if not outright destroyed, my confidence that the deleted posts actually deserved to be removed from public view.

[ShardinsKitten]

[immortal1]

[Ziola]

[curiousGeorge]

As my last word (for a bit anyway) I think this situation really demands that the Creators make statements when they have the mods delete whole threads or individual posts regarding Glenn.

I am sure that if they had done a "In the interest of fairness to all involved..." type post before deleting the threads, it would not smack so much as clumsy damage control and that they had something to hide.

Any student of politics will realize that a coverup, perceived or real, is always a much worse affair than the original offense...

Nuff said for now.
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All Your Base are Belong to Bukanator

[Languorous Lass]

I'm confident that the actions of the mods were not requested or dictated by the creators. In fact, I doubt very much that the creators even knew what happened in the thread. If anyone has information to the contrary, I'd like to hear it. Mods?

[curiousGeorge]

I was referring to the ORIGINAL thread(s) (including a response by the Creators) that have been deleted. I would reference the posters by name and the specific accusations they made regarding Glenn, but the posts have been deleted...
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All Your Base are Belong to Bukanator

[Languorous Lass]

Thank you for clarifying what you meant. However, I would still like to know if the actions of the mods were requested by the creators.

[immortal1]

[trainer101]

Let me make a couple of statements here. Take them for what they are - my view.

1. I did not delete the threads in the OpA section, nor did I receive any request from the Creators or anyone else to do so. Perhaps another mod did, I do not know.

2. Prior to the original OpA discussion threads being locked, both Wintermute and I received private requests to do so. We left the threads open for several more hours to allow people to complete their thoughts, although by that time what remained were a handful of people intent on throwing stones at each other. We both agreed that the threads should be locked at that point because they had deteriorated into shouting matches. The "Moving Forward" thread was intentionally left open to foster discussion about how to best move past the issues.

3. To the best of my knowledge only one person has stepped forward and claimed to have had any conversation with Glenn regarding the exchange of pics. Others have been alluded to but those people have vehemently denied that any such conversations ever took place. I am inclined to take these people at their word. Anything past that is speculation about something which seems likely to not have happened.

Regards,
Trainer
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It's STILL all connected...

[Ziola]

[Broken Kid]

I think there was some misunderstanding here. If a moderator splits a thread up, they should explain why and should not move it to the Rubbish Bin (save some rare instances, such as when it's inappropriate conversation between a small number of people, and those people would be contacted). As far as I and the other mods are aware, the Creators have not deleted posts, and moderators have not either. I don't believe this was intended for the Rubbish Bin and was not meant to be censorship.

I think the intention here is to keep the "taking sides" and claims here to a minimum. I understand that people do feel a need to discuss Glenn's contributions (either to the series itself or the recent situation). But I wholeheartedly encourage people to withhold throwing out blame or accusations. That is why threads in the OpAphid area have been locked. A discussion of his contributions to the series by video and by story is wholeheartedly appropriate - whether you appreciate it or not.
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[Languorous Lass]