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Skunkwaffle
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 Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:00 pm Post subject: Are you kidding me? |
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This is NOT the same show we all started watching last year. The cuteish girl in her room vlogging about the boy who likes her and her parents being strict. Now they're all fucking criminals. I lost count of all the laws they broke somewhere around Daniels 3rd B&E. I liked this show because of the adventure aspect. I think all of us secretly (or maybe not so secretly) think it'd be pretty fun to be on the run from a crazy bunch religious freaks. But I stopped identifying with the "heroes" when they KIDNAPPED A FUCKING MINOR.
It's not kidnapping you say. I say f**k You.
This show used to be good. This show used to not have little girls getting kidnapped.
ARG's are supposedly "not a game". So if you're gonna pretend to be serious, then you need to produce content that can be taken seriously. Not this brand of criminal bullshit.
Greg, Miles & Mesh, you 3 need to wake the f**k up and get your shit straight. You just crossed a serious line. And god help you if this is another put on. It was cool when Bree offered herself up to save Daniel. It is not cool to pretend to kidnap a child.
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marlasinger
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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this reaction can be taken in many ways, two of which i experienced.
one: i agree, and you guys need to get yourselves together and realise what is appropriate and what is not.
two: the fact that i'm angry and appalled and outraged indicates that you're doing a damn good job.
i'm not sure which it is.
either way, i'm shocked and disgusted by the acts of the kids, and i definitely don't relate to them anymore. this is just outrageous, and unless they're horribly brainwashed, or you actually have a long term plan and this fits into it...
well, let's just hope you do have a long term plan nd you've thought this through properly.
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pariah164
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Ahaha, I have to say I agree with you on some points. But you're missing the big picture: it's FAKE. It's meant to be entertainment. It's no worse than some stuff you see on primetime tv.
That being said... yeah, it's a little... eeeh. |
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Skunkwaffle
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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The difference is Prime Time TV doesn't ask you to pretend that it's real. Prime time TV doesn't try to make all it's viewers a character in the program.
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pariah164
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Skunkwaffle wrote: | | The difference is Prime Time TV doesn't ask you to pretend that it's real. Prime time TV doesn't try to make all it's viewers a character in the program. |
Touche.
Then again, I'm a realist at heart, so I try not to get too caught up in the whole LG15 thing...
The Creators are running out of ideas, y/n? |
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ApotheosisAZ
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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It is still possible that Julia asked TAAG to do this by passing a note in "the blue folder." She may have wanted them to stage a kidnapping.
I hope that is what happened.
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone remember when the Order was the bad guys?
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Skunkwaffle
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| pariah164 wrote: | Touche.
Then again, I'm a realist at heart, so I try not to get too caught up in the whole LG15 thing...
The Creators are running out of ideas, y/n?
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Again not the point. If we are supposed to believe that this is real, which is what we've been asked to do time and time again by M, G, & M, then we have to truly believe that JBD really just broke into Jules' house and kidnapped her.
I know it's just a show. I know no actors were harmed in the filming of this blah blah blah.
But how can you ask your fans to interact with your content as if it were real, and then do this?
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the mods are going to be busy merging threads tonight! LOL |
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pariah164
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Skunkwaffle wrote: | Again not the point. If we are supposed to believe that this is real, which is what we've been asked to do time and time again by M, G, & M, then we have to truly believe that JBD really just broke into Jules' house and kidnapped her.
I know it's just a show. I know no actors were harmed in the filming of this blah blah blah.
But how can you ask your fans to interact with your content as if it were real, and then do this? |
All right, let's get to the nitty gritty of it. Are you going to keep watching? |
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Skunkwaffle
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| immortal1 wrote: | | I think the mods are going to be busy merging threads tonight! LOL |
To do so would be to suppress the true response that the creators have earned through their choices and actions.
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All right, let's get to the nitty gritty of it. Are you going to keep watching?
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For now, yes. I'm not going to stop watching a show just because I don't agree with the producers choices. But I will express my opinion.
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pariah164
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Skunkwaffle wrote: | | For now, yes. I'm not going to stop watching a show just because I don't agree with the producers choices. But I will express my opinion. |
Good choice. I'd be dissapointed if you said otherwise.
Now. To make a new chat, since the one on this site STILL fails. *grumble* |
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Skunkwaffle
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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uh... I don't get it. Is that related to the kidnapping?
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SookieSpooky
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | It is still possible that Julia asked TAAG to do this by passing a note in "the blue folder." She may have wanted them to stage a kidnapping.
I hope that is what happened. |
Thats what I was thinking, Julia's parents are pretty strict and, while I'll admit, thats a pretty dramatic way to get out of your parent's radar, it could have been exactly what she did. I had been thinking it was pretty silly that Jules seemed to not know Bree, but her first vid was a response to one of Bree's vids.
Even then it may not please people, but it would be something I could forgive. I would still count BDJ as fools for even trying it, but I'd get over it... Someday. |
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| Skunkwaffle wrote: | | The difference is Prime Time TV doesn't ask you to pretend that it's real. Prime time TV doesn't try to make all it's viewers a character in the program. |
While true that TV doesn't ask the viewers to be a character, waffle, I think it does ask you to pretend that it's real. That's what all fiction has to do in order to be able to reach someone emotionally. It's what suspension of disbelief is all about.
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | It is still possible that Julia asked TAAG to do this by passing a note in "the blue folder." She may have wanted them to stage a kidnapping.
I hope that is what happened. |
I hope it isn't, to be honest. I think it would destroy what could be an amazing moment of development for Bree's character (I don't even like her and I'm saying this, so you can imagine that it must really be a defining moment in my opinion). She had to make a moral judgment here, and it was one that didn't have a single perfectly clean option.
Was it the right one? Maybe not. But who can say for sure that it wasn't? I mean, really?
I also think it would look like the Creators got scared to follow through on it. At the moment, I'm admiring their courage. In the real world, heroes wouldn't always be making morally airtight decisions, and they wouldn't always be presented with morally airtight situations.
Bree's been compared to Wonder Woman. Well, let's keep in mind that Wonder Woman snapped Maxwell Lord's neck to stop him when he was controlling Superman (who had nearly killed Batman).
Now, Skunky, I understand where you're coming from here. I know why you're upset. Near as I can tell I was one of the very, very few who said I'd actually be more incensed to see harm befall Jules than I would if it happened to Bree (I think I even said I'd rather it be Bree, but that wasn't just because I dislike her), as 1) she's a much younger kid, 2) she knows even less about all this, and 3) she seems far more sweet, and hasn't done some of the evil stuff that Bree has. You can imagine how baffled I was at people saying they hoped to see this little girl murdered in grisly fashion.
That said, though, there's a few things I'd like to ask you to consider. I'll be copy-pasting them from other threads (sorry if not all of it is relevant to what you said; these were responses to other people):
| I wrote: | Can anyone in here really, absolutely say that they think Bree did the wrong thing? With all assurance? If you thought a little girl was going to die in less than a week and knew you couldn't go to the police, knew you couldn't talk to her parents, and the girl herself was having none of it when you tried talking to her?
Maybe one can't be sure that they think she absolutely did the right thing either, but I can't see how it can be said - at this point - that she did the wrong thing. Keep in mind that I'm not asking if she did the smart thing, just the right one. Sometimes the right thing can be incredibly stupid. |
| I wrote: | The fact that the kids are resorting to the same kind of measures as the bad guys may be to make a particular point in that respect, or it might just be intended to emphasize how far Bree is willing to go (and how far the Order has driven them).
Say what one will, this says a lot about Bree's drive to save a complete stranger. And, actually, we can't really say that Bree didn't try alternate means. We saw her try talking to her before, and they may have tried that again here (but didn't film it).
Bree's probably thinking that time is of the essence here. Jules said she was only on restrictions from the computer until May 10. That may well mean that the ceremony would be on the 9th or the day after.
In any case, one can't deny that this is a more interesting take than Jules saying "Oh, Bree! Come save me!" Then she really would be a repeat of Bree. Here Bree's trying to save someone against their will.
If nothing else, it does raise an interesting moral question. If they felt she was going to die soon, should they have left her to that fate just to avoid kidnapping her? I mean, if she said "No, I don't believe you," should they have let it go at that? Or should Jules only be rescued if she already believed she was in danger? That seems weak. I have to applaud the Creators for making the decision to go ahead with this instead of "playing it safe."
They challenged normal expectations of what it means to be a good guy, but in a believable way that leaves no clear room of saying it was absolutely the right or wrong thing to do - and without making it something extremely callous in the process (like killing her to serve the greater good). |
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