LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony

2007-04-06T00:03:16Z

12.27.187.199: costs of a site like this

[[Image:Lucy's_Balcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Your friendly [[LGPedia]] admins, [[User:Brucker|Brucker]], [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]], and [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] enjoy an unseasonably warm {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} afternoon on [[Lucy's Balcony]]. Not pictured: [[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]].]]

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For old or inactive conversations, visit [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive|Lucy's archive]].

==Cast and crew template?==
Would a cast and crew template be a good idea? We could have picture, name, birthday, role in series, first appearance/credit and a link to the newly organized [[:Category:Credits|production credits]]. I was thinking it should look like [[Template:Person]], but I'm not ''crazy'' about the person template. Perhaps a snazzier "person" template and a new [[Template:Crew]]? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:50, 26 February 2007 (CST)
:Yep the Person template could use a little TLC, huh? How would the Crew template be different from a Person template? If it's not too different, perhaps adding a couple of fields to the "snazzed up" person template would do the trick. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 00:02, 27 February 2007 (CST)

::I whipped up a potential look for a new character template. If people like, I could adapt it to real people too. The preliminary version is here at [[Template talk:Test]]. It looks best in Firefox. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:30, 5 March 2007 (CST)

:::I put up a first draft of the crew template at [[Template:Crew]]. A test run of it is in place on the [[Mesh Flinders]] and the [[Jackson Davis]] pages. Input, as always, much appreciated. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 12:35, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

::::Looks goo to me!'''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 16:04, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

==Bottom indexes==
We all like bottom indexes, right? At [[template talk:Bree's religion]] we have a prototype sitting around for the religion pages. My only concern with the Bree's religion index is that I don't understand what "related videos" means. Do we want to implement a bottom index for other types of pages as well? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:01, 26 February 2007 (CST)
:I &hearts; bottom indexes. Last time I tampered with the one for Bree's religion, I took out the "Related videos" thing altogether. I think we should leave it that way unless someone proposes a good way of determining what a "Related video" is and how that would be useful. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 00:02, 27 February 2007 (CST)
::In addition to a "thumbs up" on the bottom indexes, I'd like to say that while I think naming related videos is a good idea, it probably should be done in the body of the page. Rather than vaguely saying "Video X had some info on subject Y," which is what the "related video" concept meant to me, the article should outright say, "In video X, Bree said that her parents were always talking about subject Y." --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 10:00, 27 February 2007 (CST)
:::Agreed. If it's related, then the article should mention it. I can see how we could use it with location pages -- you wouldn't call it related, but you would say the location appears in: [[Motel Pool]], [[Breakfast In Bed]], etc. Let's go ahead and implement the religion bottom index. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:19, 27 February 2007 (CST)
::::hehe, thanks for adding the semicolon to my &hearts; and nice work putting the template back on the religion-related pages. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 15:10, 27 February 2007 (CST)
In thinking about a bottom index for locations I tried to create a [[Template_talk:Locations#Some thoughts on locations|list of all the locations.]] Does anyone have input on the two proposed lists? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:37, 2 March 2007 (CST)

== Puzzles ==

I'd like to always include puzzles in the "Recent Developments" column. Good idea? It could be a way to increase visibility like OIC was talking about at [[Talk:Miss Me? puzzle]]. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:11, 26 February 2007 (CST)
:Good idea! I second. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 00:02, 27 February 2007 (CST)

i third, i know im not a admin, but i contrbute as much as i can. --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 01:22, 27 February 2007 (CST)

::I like the idea, but just a thought: If a new puzzle comes up within the context of the latest video, the puzzle should be listed below the latest video just so the video is at the top of the list. For instance, the latest puzzle is fine, but it we had listed the "semiotics" puzzle, it should have been below [[Jonas Sucks]]. Just my opinion. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 10:03, 27 February 2007 (CST)

:::OIC also suggested somewhere that we could use [[Template:Init]] with puzzles and possibly all events. I'm wondering though -- puzzles don't lend themselves well to dates; they're not really events. Should we create a separate main page template for puzzles?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:16, 28 February 2007 (CST)

::::We'd probably be ok just using the date that the puzzle was "posted" (via video, message, wherever it started). And even though the template is called "event", it looked fine when it was used for the puzzle. Maybe we could just add the Init and perhaps link to the forum thread, and keep them optional? If that's complicating things too much, we could just make a separate template. It shouldn't be too difficult since they're similar. I just care about adding Init, and perhaps the forum thread; it doesn't matter so much to me how we get there. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 19:51, 8 March 2007 (CST)

== Vloggers ==

I've been cleaning up wanted pages and noticed a lot of them are the bloggers Bree mentioned on her early videos. Since they were influences on Bree and also used to gain popularity, I think they should have some sort of joint article. I'd like to start it, but not sure if the already existing "[[Vlog]]" or perhaps a new "Vlogging influences of lonelygirl15" or some similar name would be a better place for it?

{{User:Phuncknasty/sig}} 17:00, 28 February 2007 (CST)
:Taken care of, more or less. I should have done that a long time ago. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 17:51, 28 February 2007 (CST)

::Well, first, I think it's a good idea for an article, Phuncknasty. I could help out. [[Thewinekone]] and [[paytotheorderofofof2]] had real articles attached, btw. But, more importantly, I think we need to figure out what we're doing with tags. A lot of the wanted pages are tags. We don't really seem to have a clear policy on where tags should direct or even what videos should have tags. Phuncknasty redirected [[Lonesome]] and [[October]] to [[LonesomeOctober]] but since they were tags on a Tachyon video, OIC suggested this might not be a good redirect. But since we don't really have a clear policy, it's causing some confusion and ''lots'' of broken pages.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:59, 28 February 2007 (CST)

:::I agree that the tags are sometimes confusing. Maybe we should ask Jonpro because it looks to me like he's the tag master. He has "the vision." I think I'll start work on a vloggers article at [[Vlogging influences of lonelygirl15]], and if you guys want to move it, that's totally fine with me. And I also had another good (I think!) idea... how about a page on Jonas's movie references. I saw the [[four-letter words]] page and I thought it'd be cool to have a similar list with short entries of all the times Jonas mentions a movie. Who knows, maybe it adds up to something or maybe it will just be a fun list. But for now, I'm going to start doing research for a vlogging article.

:::{{User:Phuncknasty/sig}} 10:05, 1 March 2007 (CST)

::::Thanks, [[User:Phuncknasty|Phuncknasty]]. I think the current policy for official LG15 videos is to put them in [[:Category:YouTube tags]] and redirect them there if it does not have a page or there is no more logical place to redirect. I was thinking that perhaps instead of this each YouTube tag page could contain a list of which videos have that tag. Doing this manually would be a pain, though, and it would have to be updated for each new video. If there was a way to do it with a template or something that would be ideal. If not, I think the current set-up is fine as well.

::::For other (non-canon) videos, I see no reason for a category containing their tags, but I see the problem with the broken links. I think the obvious way to fix this is to only have a tag link if a page of that name already exists. The video [[What's in the Box/Bree & Daniel Update - NBR 3]] is a good example, as it links to pages like [[Bree]] and [[danielbeast]] since they already exist, but not "charlie" and "horus" since they don't. If a useful redirect of page could be made of either one of those, then the tag would be changed to link there.

::::As far as where to redirect them, I think using disambiguation techniques is the best idea. If a word is clearly ambiguous, make a disambig page for it. Otherwise, simply add a disambig line at the top of the page to link to what the user might be looking for. If a template or something could be made to list the videos that contain a certain tag, then users "searching by tag" so to speak could look at that and find the video they're looking for. Sorry about the long post. Hope this helps.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 10:27, 1 March 2007 (CST)

As I hinted at above, I don't think the tags on unofficial videos deserve links in general. If there is a page that's pertinent to the tag, then sure, link there. Sometimes, it might not be a link to what the tags says; for instance, the "house" tag on [[Where Is Jonas? - NBR 6]] should probably be linked to [[Jonas's house]] if linked at all, instead of to [[house]], where it currently links. On the other hand, the "squrrel" link probably ought to be dropped. That's my view on the matter of fan video tag linking. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 17:04, 1 March 2007 (CST)

:I agree with Brucker on "un-linking" those fanvid tags that don't pertain to any particular article. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 19:53, 8 March 2007 (CST)

== Sidebar ==

I was thinking of changing the sidebar a bit. My proposal is to break out another "community" section:

* lg15 links the same.
* navigation
** Main Page
** List of Videos
** AphidPedia
** Recent Changes
** Random page
* Community
** Welcome
** Community Portal
** Lucy's Balcony
** Help

Any other ideas? Does that seem like a good idea? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:32, 5 March 2007 (CST)

Maybe Caping lg15? other then, it would look great. --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 18:40, 5 March 2007 (CST)

:I'm sorry, what does "Caping lg15" mean? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:41, 6 March 2007 (CST)

::Capitalizing, perhaps?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:34, 6 March 2007 (CST)

:::Ah, so it says LG15 links instead? Good idea! I agree! --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 14:37, 6 March 2007 (CST)

::::Yeah, all of them should be capitalized, I think. Those options look good to me, Jay. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 18:04, 6 March 2007 (CST)

::::Well, it turns out that the small capitalization is hardwired into the MediaWiki software. It can't be fixed from [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]. Perhaps there's another way to do it, but if so, I don't know how and I don't feel like tooling around all night at [http://mediawiki.org MediaWiki.org] for the answer. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:42, 6 March 2007 (CST)

== New admin -- [[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] ==

I'm pleased to announce that [[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] has been appointed the newest administrator on the LGPedia. Jonpro has been a reliable contributor to the LGPedia since first arriving in November. He's undertaken the massive task of organizing the YouTube tags on all the LG videos, on top of hundreds of edits fixing pages, keeping our style consistent and keeping things categorized. Congrats, Jonpro. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:56, 8 March 2007 (CST)

:Thanks [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]], and I hope I can be a help to everyone. I'm new to this admin thing, but I'm sure I'll catch on :) --[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:32, 8 March 2007 (CST)

Kongrats man! --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 18:36, 8 March 2007 (CST)

== [[Template:Tag]] ==

What do others think? Would a template like this be helpful? I'm not very good with wording and such, so that might need to be improved, but what do people think of the general idea? Basically, it would be put on every YouTube tag page and <nowiki>|</nowiki>disambig would be added for pages that are also disambiguation pages.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:15, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

: I think it's what we should have done when we first made the tags link 5 months ago. I def like it, but won't it take ''forever'' to swap out? I feel bad asking anyone to do that. How many tags are there? 400? More? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 20:18, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

::At least that many. I wouldn't mind pitching in though, and if we can get a few more volunteers, it really won't take that long. Anyone up for some tedious work?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:37, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

:::Hmm... I just thought of one other thing, not sure if it matters. But I think these will all become "articles." That raises two issues: 1) anybody using randompage will get a tag about half the time and 2) it will say that we have over 1,000 articles. Unless anyone knows away around that. Just a thought, i don't really see it as a reason not to go ahead with it. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 20:50, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

::::Yeah, good point. No solution for #1, but I don't think #2 will be a problem. I'm guessing they'll be part of the [[Special:Statistics|"articles that aren't really articles"]] (stubs, redirects, etc). Not sure, but that's my guess.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:57, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

==The party guests==
So as of [[Uncle Dan]] and [[Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)]], we have like 10 new characters. Most of these now have their own articles, which consist of one or two sentences saying that they were at the party. This is bad form... perhaps we could have a page called "party guests" and list them there with short descriptions? Then we could just make their character names a redirect to the party guests page. If one of the characters turns out to have a larger role, we can move their info to a separate page. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:44, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
:I actually think starting off with a picture would be a great help. I'm having trouble putting faces to the character names.--[[User:Immortal1|Immortal1]] 16:56, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
::I got a few pictures up on a few of the pages. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 18:43, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

== costs of a site like this ==

Just wondering how you guys are doing on donations and what it costs to run a site like this?

Traveling around, doing videos about basic or not so basic life situations sounds like a blast!!

Any hints of how to get started?

thanks! [[User:12.27.187.199|12.27.187.199]] 19:03, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

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