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[[Image:GustaveCailbotteThe Balcony1880-Cropped.jpg|left|thumb|150px|A couple of [[LGPedia]] admins ([[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] & [[User:Psmith|Psmith]]) take a breather to admire the view from [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

[[Image:Lucy's_Balcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|In happier days, friendly [[LGPedia]] admins, [[User:Brucker|Brucker]] (now retired), [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]], and [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] (also retired) enjoyed unseasonably warm afternoons on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

Welcome to '''Lucy's Balcony''', a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the [[LGPedia]]. This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns. To start a new thread, [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&action=edit&section=new click here]. Please remember to sign your posts by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end.

For old or inactive conversations, visit [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive|Lucy's archive]].

[[Image:snowwhitebalcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|[[User:Zoey|Zoey]], one of your [[LGPedia]] admins, frolics with the doves on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

 

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==No uploading??==

The "Upload File" function doesn't seem to be working since the site renovation (for me, anyway, and judging by the fact that [[Mission Possible]] still doesn't have a pic, probably for everyone else). Is someone actively working to fix this? (Please???) ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 17:33, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

:Hmm, I don't know, but it's not working for me either. Someone should probably send an email to the right person if no one already has. I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure if I should just send it straight to [[the Creators]] or to someone else. If it's not fixed in the next few hours and no one has responded here, I'll go ahead and send them an email.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:18, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

::Zoey mentioned she had e-mailed BK an hour ago.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:20, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

We can upload files now (and quite amusingly, [[User:EmoGlasses|EmoGlasses]] and I uploaded nearly identical pictures, respectively called NinjaSpencer and SpencerNinja). However, the picture doesn't appear on the episode template, and in its place is a distracting error message. I've left it up there for now, but I'm sure that someone will revert that... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 23:03, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

: *Hair pull out* Darn error messages! Okay, I'm working on it.. contacting people. Hopefully we get this all sorted out soon! :( --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:32, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

::Make sure to tell them the problem is most likely a faulty installation of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GD_Graphics_Library libgd], specific error messages being "<code>Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg</code>" and "<code>Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromgif</code>".

::Googling the error messages should give them enough results to find the error.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 08:18, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
::P.S.: Did I mention it takes extra-effort to fuck up server libraries while moving around ''content''?

::: The new lonelygirl15 site is blah, IMO. I don't even see why they had to tinker with the LGPedia. Our old design matched, but now the portals, particularly the LG portal, really clash with this new gray/modernist design. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 09:20, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

::::Wait, are you saying you dislike the LGPedia design or the Lonelygirl15 design? I'm confused. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:42, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

==Missions Page==
I was thinking about having a missions page for the lonelygirl5 characters. Like a list of their missions, and what worked, what didn't, who was involved, why were they doing this. Sort of like one part of it could be about obtaining jules. Does anyone think we should do that, or not? Does anyone have any new missions? Like they can work with me to find all missions.[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:14, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
:I support this idea. It's good to gather information on a wiki. Anyhow, the capturing of Jules, the getting Bree back millions of times, the breaking into Lucy's apartment twice, the whole deal. Should we create it at [[Missions]]? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 11:27, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
::Yeah, I'm imagine we could add Daniel's rescue, the tailing of Alex, and the search for Isaac Gilman as well! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:32, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
::Someone need to put it on a sandbox and we can all work on it together. I'm not sure how to work with a sandbox.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 14:26, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
::There i tried to start it, but it wasn't very succesful. If you are good with codes please go here. http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:Houdini/sandbox

:That was just an idea to have the blue border and the table format. If you like can you spoof it up a bit. And if you don't, feel free to change it.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:35, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

::We could do the capturing of Jules, the Vegas capturing of BDJ, the tailing of Alex, the search for Isaac Gilman, the race to contact Spencer Gilman, Daniel breaking into the EPOGEN warehouse, Daniel breaking into Lucy's apartment, the Mexico capturing of Alex by Lucy, getting Bree back, Bree escaping to be with her fellow Hymnies, getting Bree back again, the Order murdering Drew and Isaac, Brother murdering Gemma, Tachyon exposing Gemma, and so the saga continues. It's a lot, but I think it'd be nice to keep all the missions somewhere. '''Strong support.''' [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 11:41, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

==Show Template?==
Considering that [[lonelygirl15]] and [[KateModern]] right now both use [[Template:FakeBlog2]], I think it's time for a show template. The show template could have slots for the creators of the show, the main cast of the show, an image of the main cast of the show, a caption for that image, beginning date to end date (end date optional - if you don't fill it in, it would say "to present"), optional spin-off slot, & more. Any opinions? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 10:10, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
:Any thoughts at all? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 11:38, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
::Hello? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 15:32, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
:::You remind me of a child..."Mom, look what I'm doing! Mom! Mom! Look! YOU'RE NOT LOOOOOKING!!!"
:::Isn't the fact that nobody responds answer enough?
:::We. Don't. Care.
:::The current setup works fine. On a theoretical level, you are right. FakeBlog2 is abused in that situation, and a dedicated template would make sense. But practically, ''it's overkill''. Why create an entire new template for ''two pages'' if the hack works flawlessly?
:::The only difference a dedicated show template would make is that a dozen fan series would start using it.
:::So, as said...nobody responded for a reason. If you consider it necessary, go ahead and do it. But the fact that not even ''Houdini'', who's enthusiastic about pretty much everything, replied, should give you a hint about how much interest there is in this topic.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:34, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

::That was harsh Renegade. Anywase i honestly didn't get what you meant silver. I must have read it while i was tired. Anywase i say go ahead and do it. It doesn't hurt to do it. It only adds to LGPedia in a good way. Oh and renegade what did that enthusiastic thing mean.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 21:42, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

:::What was harsh about that? If all other discussions on this page get replies but this one doesn't, that ''is'' a pretty good indicator that nobody cares. There's nothing harsh about that, and it's not even ment in an insulting way. That's just how it is. As I said, on a technical level, he's right, so there's probably no one here who'd object - but on a practical level, everything works, so no one here is motivated to change it, either. So, nobody cares. If he wants to change it, fine. If not, everything still works. Nothing harsh about it. Just human nature.
:::And that enthusiastic thing was pointing out that, even though you are involved in everything and always happy to edit and start new projects, not even ''you'' cared before you saw me reference you. I was just trying to put the lack of interest into perspective.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:40, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

:Guys, please take it easy around here . . . .--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 22:09, 29 July 2007
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::Alright sorry Pheon.I wasn't going to start a fight i was just wondering what that statement meant.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:15, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

:::I figured no one was responding to this, so I haven't checked Lucy's Balcony in a while. When I saw it... Renegade, that was harsh. I remind you of a whining child? I was just wondering if any administrators had any opinions or input to my idea, because, as always, I am trying to help the LGPedia. You're just hurting its members. Thanks for your support Pheon, and Houdini. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 16:09, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

::::It was the truth. If you consider the truth harsh, then fine, it was harsh. But I am not to blame for the truth. You posted ''thrice'' and the only reason I replied was because I feared you wouldn't stop unless you got some feedback.
::::If nobody cares, nobody cares. That's not my opinion, that's not an attempt to insult you, that's just reality.
::::Seriously, think about it: If I was wrong, if "nobody cares" was a lie, why am I the only one responding? Houdini replied to me, because I mentioned him. Pheon replied because a fight seemed to start. The only one replying to ''you'' was me, and only because you kept spamming "hello? Hello? HELLO?".
::::If you hadn't kept posting until someone replied, I'd have never replied, so Houdini would've never replied, so Pheon would've never replied. If you hadn't spammed, you would've gotten no reply at all. That is fucking ''reality'', not an attempt to insult you. ''That alone'' should prove that I'm right.
::::I have given you my opinion. You are technically right, but it doesn't matter. And I'd bet the fact that it doesn't matter is the reason you weren't getting any replies.
::::So excuse me for not getting all touchy feely when the sole reason for my post was to stop you from posting "hello? someone there?" until the end of eternity.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:38, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

This = Stupid. Everyone = breathe. Conversation = over. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:47, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

==LGPedia: pages==
Now that the LGPedia is thriving, perhaps we should have some more LGPedia: namespace policy pages, plus things like LG:CHU (LGPedia:Changing username) and LG:SHORT (LGPedia:Shortcuts). I'm just trying to get some wiki-like content from Wikipedia, so let me know what you think. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 11:38, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
:Hello? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 15:32, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
::I say go ahead. But talk to an admin first.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 15:36, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
:::I'm going to say something to [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] right now. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 09:22, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

==I Finished the Missions Page==
I did it today, man that was work. Anywase tell me what you think, and also thanks silverbullet for all your help. If you see something that need changes then go ahead and change it. If you don't see a mission that i missed than put it in there.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 16:08, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

==Potential naming problem==
I've just noticed that KM-images are named using the same scheme as the LG15 ones; sure, the probability it comes to actual naming conflicts is low, but shouldn't we add an infix for organizational purposes? Otherwise, we'll have stuff like
*00XA-blablabla
*00XA-blablabla
*00XA-blablabla
*00XA-blablabla
*00XA-blablabla
*00XA-blablabla
in a few months, and no one will be able to tell which blablabla belongs to KM and which to LG15. I'm thinking of force-suggesting 9999-'''KM'''-Description-Modification.xxx here. Alternatively, '''KM'''9999-Description-Modification.xxx would separate them entirely in file listings. Opinions?
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 06:16, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

::ill try to stick to it, you should talk to psmith he uploads a lot of pictures--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 20:18, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

:::Psmith is doing LG15, but Truncatedslinky seems to be the KM equivalent. I'll message him. Good idea, thank you. :)
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:48, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

::thats true, he/she i dont know is doing a lot of pictures and this would help out a lot for orginization
::good idea--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 21:03, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

:::Cool, that's fine, I just didn't know you guys wanted to do that. I can rename the pictures and upload them again if absolutely necessary. I don't always upload a ton of pictures, but there were basically none on the KateModern site and it definitely needed some. Oh, and by the way, I'm a girl. --[[User:Truncatedslinky|truncatedslinky]] 22:42, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

::::Damnit! 50/50 chance...I chose "him" because of the Daniel/Jonas hook up support userbox (guessed you were a gay male). Sorry for the misinterpretation.
::::Anyway, I don't think re-uploading will be necessary, as long as we start doing that from now on.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:40, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
::::::Amended image naming convention for KM sounds good. Let me know what you decide and I can change the [[MediaWiki:Uploadtext]] to reflect it. I prefer having KM at the very beginning (e.g. '''KM0006-KateHoldingASandwich.jpg''' to replace "0006-YummyPiggies.jpg"). We probably also need 2 new image categories ("LG show images" and "KM show images") but that would require a lot of tedious categorizing (maybe a job for [[LGBot]]?) Your opinions on this would be appreciated. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:42, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
::::::P.S. I haven't got involved in KM images yet as I haven't watched any of the shows. Are they any good? [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:42, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
::::Eh . . . it's got potential, IMO. But frankly, I've been more concentrated for the LG Season Finale, so don't take my criticism too strongly. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:47, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

:::::I'm with you on that, Pheon. I'll hold out on it for a while longer because I think the Creators deserve that much. Anyway, if you guys need something done with the LGBot, just let me know. I am still here reading things; I just don't have the time to get into very much editing.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:26, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

Personally I like, and have been using 9999-KM-Description.jpg. I think we should definately make a decision soon though, before too many images get added. Please, everyone, post! :P --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:42, 19 August 2007 (CDT)
:If the KM is at the beginning it is easier to sort through a whole bunch of files ordered alphabetically (i.e. the LG and KM files separate out as Renegade mentioned). This probably only affects me because I have so many images on my laptop from which I upload on to LGPedia. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:37, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
:P.S. Is there an easy way to tag images with the show name and episode number without embedding in the name or is the only way to tediously categorize every image with "Images of Episode 9999" and "Images of Show XX"? Could LGBot categorize by looking at the file name? I'm thinking it would be nice to have a page that works like [[:Category:Videos_by_length]] called something like "Category:Images_by_episode". Anyone know how to do this? If not, don't worry... not important. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:37, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

::That's fair, I see your point. Is there a way to update image names online.. or would someone have to reupload all of them using the new name. Er, would anyone want to volunteer for that? XD haha. And yes, I agree, that would be an AWESEOME page to have. I think we'll have to ask Jonpro if the bot would make this possible though.... Jon? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:58, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

:::The last time we started an image naming convention we just decided to leave current images as they were and start being strict from then on. However, I might go back and redo some image names if I have time (yes it will require reuploading and deleting the old one). Do you want to update [[MediaWiki:Uploadtext]] or shall I? [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 11:10, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Oh you can go ahead and do it, if you dont mind. You're good at explaining these sorts of things. So any KM images will start with KM.. but leave the LG ones as they are, right? Sounds good.. I'll let you update the mediawiki page though (and I'll remove this from active discussions, since this seems to be resolved, yay).

==Portals==
I know this is going to sound really bad coming from be but, should the [[missions]] page be on Portal:Lonelygirl15 and Portal:KateModern because the page is a big part for both series. If it need some touching up before it is put on there thats ok, but what do you guys think.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:26, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
: I do think its got potential, but in its preliminary stages I still think it needs some "fine-tuning." Let's give the page some more time to develop and then we can worry about where it should belong --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:33, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

: Since it's cross-series, it might be positioned better in the "LG15 Universe Central" box on the main page. But before it goes ''that'' public, it needs some visual touch ups. ;)
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:44, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

it definately needs touching up thats for sure--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 14:34, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

== Maddison Atkins ==

Should the character page change to Maddison and the ARG page move to Maddison Atkins.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 15:23, 12 August 2007 (CDT)
:I see no reasoning for that, but it's a good idea as always, Houdini. Thanks for the idea, but I think that the equivalent of Maddison is indeed Maddison Atkins, and that the ARG page should stay at Maddison Avenue. Thanks, though! [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 16:12, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

== Relationships ==

Also should we move relationships to Lonelygirl15 relationships, and add Katemodern relationships, because we already know a few relationships for katemodern such as kate and tariq...charlie and gavin...and kate and scott or is it steve. Anywase if not that then i think we should make relationships as a link for the main page, just like what were doing with missions.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 17:53, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

==Location pages for KM==
About Location pages for KM... we may want to wait a bit before we decide how to do this because at this rate they'll be filming all over London. So we could end up with:
*By City - "Images of London."
*By Postcode - "Images of EC1", "Images of W1" etc. (London postcodes that UK people will easily understand and can be explained to others - EC1 = East Central 1, W1 = West 1 etc.) Advantage = exact with no discussion required.
*By London Area Name - "Images of Spitalfields", "Images of Soho" etc. (these are the names of small areas of London). Advantage = friendly names rather than impersonal postcodes but there are grey areas as it were on deciding where one area starts and another ends.
*By Street Name - "Images of Brushfield Street", "Images of Carnaby Street" etc. This could become a problem given the number of streets that will be filmed upon.
*All of the above so you can browse images however you like. Disadvantage = lot of work for every image.
[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 18:25, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

:Shoot. Okay, well I was just going to do the ones you took of Carnaby Street, simply because it was a notable location where a major fan interaction took place. I figured for the episodes where they were just out and about in London, we could do a "General London area" or whatnot. I think with the big thing that just happened at Carnaby St, it's worth a location page, IMO. Er, do you disagree? Blah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:33, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
::Given a lot of the pics are actually Broadwick St. rather than Carnaby St., my first instinct is "Images of Soho". Especially as more videos may be set in and around these streets given how the Bebo offices are located there. Tariq/Gavin will probably be filmed a lot around Spitalfields/EC1 given that's where their office is supposed to be. But then I understand that maybe someone just wants to search on "Carnaby Street" because of how prominent the street name is in all the videos and interaction. So maybe it should just be "Images of the Carnaby Street area" which is more accurate but longwinded. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 19:27, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

:::Well, as for the categories themselves, I see no reason not to make specific categories and then group them all into <nowiki>[[Category:Images of London]]</nowiki> or something similar. As far as location pages, I also don't see why we can't have specific pages for notable locations.. and maybe have a "General London area" page... similar to how we have a specific page for [[Topanga Canyon]] but still have one for [[General LA area]]. I think this works nicely... not sure though? What do you think? :/ --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:54, 19 August 2007 (CDT)
::::Ah... actually I meant to say "location categories" in the first place and not "location pages" (by which you mean the articles I presume). Woops.
::::It would be nice to have both a London category and subcategories for different parts of London. My rather pedantic point about "Carnaby Street" is that maybe "Carnaby Street area" is more accurate given most of the action took place on Broadwick Street. And yes we definitely need a location ''page'' for this. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:48, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
:::::Ahh, okay. I wonder if Jon could do this with the bot so I wouldn't have to.. if not, I don't mind going in and adding "area" to the end of the location. Sounds good. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:58, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

== KM Forum Links ==
KM episode page forum links are pointing to http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/ instead of http://www.lg15.com/katemodern. I think the template has a switch for lg/km but I'm not sure how to use it. [[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] & [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] created it so if you see this please update one of the KM video pages as an example and we can do the rest. Thanks. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 11:04, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

:Nice catch, Psmith. It's not the KM video pages that need to be updated, but [[Template:Blog]]. I tried to fix it but failed :(. I'll work on it later if no one has figured it out by then.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 11:55, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

::Oops :X
::My bad, consider it fixed.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:56, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
::::Thanks. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 12:25, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

== Re-Organization Day ==

Okay, this conversation has been going on for a while, and now I'm starting to agree with it. We need to find a way to separate KateModern and LG15. The answer: change everything from [[Characters]] to KM:Characters and LG:Characters. Sounds easy, right? Wrong-o. There has to be an easier way to do it. There needs to be some idea that we can do and devote a day to changing links and reorganizing the entire LGPedia. I know it sounds like a lot of work, but we gotta do something... fast. The only thing I can suggest thats better is for the tech people at LG15.com to set up another wiki. That'd be the easiest thing to do (and probably most organized) {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 21, '07 - 9:25 PM}}
:I'm sorry, I don't really see what you are talking about. There ARE seperate pages for [[KM Characters|KateModern characters]] and [[Characters|Lonelygirl15 characters]]. Why do we need to reorganize the wiki? What's wrong with the way it is now? And yea, we're definitely not getting a new Wiki. I just... don't understand your argument at all! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:01, 22 September 2007 (CDT)

::I have no idea ''why'' he wants to do this, but the syntax he uses would mean entirely separate ''namespaces'' for LG and KM. (Which would be a re-linking nightmare, and totally useless.)
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 08:03, 22 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Thats why we SHOULDN'T do that. But there are a lot of other page crossovers where it contains information from both series, and sometimes gets tangled up. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 22 - 2:03 PM}}
::::What pages are you talking about, specifically? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:05, 22 September 2007 (CDT)

== Need help with title! ==

There's a new KateModern video named "Hymn of One" but I don't know how to make a page that has the same name as a page that already exists - anybody that can help? -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 11:54, 3 October 2007 (CDT)
:I used Hymn of One (video) but if there is a better way, please to let me know? -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 12:42, 3 October 2007 (CDT)
::Relax, Theresa, what you did is perfectly fine. :) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:49, 3 October 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Main Page/redesign/archive of dicussion

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We could probably use a more efficient front page. While the page works well as an index for those of us who are familiar with the wiki, it's not as welcoming as it could be for new users. In addition, it'd be nice to have a wiki front page that looked more like lonelygirl15 and less like Wikipedia. So jump in -- share ideas about content/features/style, etc. you'd like to see on the LGPedia front page.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:55, 11 December 2006 (CST)

:Awesome use of the seldom used sub-page feature of MediaWiki. I am very eager to see what ideas editors can come up with for a new main page layout -- [[User:Twjaniak|Twjaniak]] 22:41, 11 December 2006 (CST)

Sorry I was gone so much lately, I've got three jobs, two kids and Christmas shopping to take care of, so I hope you'll understand if I'm not always here. (One of my coworkers asked me, "When do you sleep?!" I replied, "Um...never?") Anyway, this is a great idea for a page, and I'll leave some feedback on this stuff, which is looking pretty good.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:46, 12 December 2006 (CST)

== The video column ==

My basic idea for a video column is to put the newest video at the top. That way you see the newest information first, keeps the page more dynamic. And also, to incorporate small pictures from videos (to make the front page more visual) and to include non-video, but still important events, on this list. What do people think of the basic idea?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:13, 11 December 2006 (CST)

:I do like it! Do you think it's going to be a lot more work to update it now though? It looks kind of advanced... [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:53, 11 December 2006 (CST)

::I think we can build some basic templates to make all the formatting automatic. If we do that, it should be pretty easy. If we're using a template, we can even add a quick note to explain how to add the newest video. But we'll see, if it ends up being too complicated, we can always stick with the current list.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:04, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:great, i was coming here to suggest that myself!--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 22:09, 13 December 2006 (CST)

Perhaps the video column should be called '''Latest News''' or something to that effect, since any new video would be news in the LG15 world. Labeling the column like this would allow us to put things there that go beyond just video, such as blurbs regarding GoodGollyItsHolly's decision. -- [[User:Twjaniak|Twjaniak]] 10:10, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:Yeah, good idea. I changed it and like it. I also think we should try to make the style sets look more like lonelygirl15.com, (blues and grays), and less like wikipedia, (greenish).--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:17, 12 December 2006 (CST)

::I like the idea of having a column that has the "latest news" rather than videos. Now that the list is getting very long, I think it might be good to move it off the page. In general, I like the idea of changing things to be less text and more visuals, in general making the page a bit shorter. Keep only the latest videos and main topics on the front page, and move lesser items to index pages. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:46, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:::Personally, I think you should keep "videos" and "news" in different columns. It just adds to the confusion, and I agree with Brucker that the page should be, if not as short as possible, significantly shorter than the current main page. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 18:07, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::::By news we only mean -- news related to the lonelygirl15 story. Bree chat, for example, is the perfect example. Since the lonelygirl15 story is not told exclusively through videos, it's important that an event like Bree chat goes into the chronology on the Main Page. Something like a story ''about'' the lonelygirl15 production in Wired Magazine would not go on the list. That's not what we mean by news.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 20:50, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::::: Things become much clearer now... Thanks Jay, or Henry, or whatever...--[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 01:18, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== Characters column ==

To echo your feel of the video column, how about heading the characters column with something like this. Anyone like? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:54, 11 December 2006 (CST)
{| align=left style="width:300px" border=2
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:#99CCFF; color:black"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Vid22.jpg|150px]]
| style=background:white|[[Image:Daniel.jpg|150px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:white"| '''[[Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Daniel]]'''
|-
|style="background:white|[[Image:Gemma_background.jpg|150px]]
|style="background:white|[[Image:MNIJonas.gif|150px]]
|-
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Gemma]]'''
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Jonas]]'''
|-
|}
 
:See, now this is a very nice idea, but perhaps just a bit smaller. As I said before about major info staying on tha main page and more minor info going elsewhere, I think showing a small picture of every main character (bloggers only) with a link below to "supporting cast" or "other official characters" would be nice. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:46, 12 December 2006 (CST)

::I tried adding in a modified version of the characters box. It doesn't look right at all for now, but it's an idea of what it might look like. If we don't use the box on the main page, it'd definitely be a nice touch for a characters page.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:21, 13 December 2006 (CST)

:::That was a good try. I like it better than the current main page and better than what I made. Yeah, it might need some work (like it should be centered, prob)... but I like the direction that we're headed in, both for this col and for the videos. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:38, 13 December 2006 (CST)

Ok, so I've given more thought to the characters column (with everything that falls below it) and what should be changed going forward. Here's a little list I came up with... sorry it's so long and doesn't illustrate anything. I think we have huge potential to save valuable space if we just implement a few of these changes.
*Have a nice little table with the pics of the bloggers and links to their pages
*Other characters
**Mention Lucy, Bree's mom and dad, P. Monkey, Owen, Thor with links to their pages.
**Leave out Deacon (individual), Watcher, The Other Monkey, Cassie, Paul, Andrea, The Deacons (so redundant, but it's there), Gemma's flatmate. While these people certainly exist, there's too little to be said about them to really merit mention on the main page. Maybe we need a character's page with another nice looking set-up in which we can include everyone... and we can link to that. That way we can include everyone.
*Leave out Ambiguous Mystery People heading and Bukanator... it was current a long time ago, but not so relevant anymore, I don't think
*Link to article [[The Creators]], but not to each individual profile (make sure there are links to all of them in the article)
*Production Team - also link to article and not all the individual people (we can write one if we don't have a suitable one yet)
*Link to [[Bree's religion]], but ''not'' to individual articles for [[Aleister Crowley|Crowley]], [[Thelema]], [[Denderah]], [[The Order]], the [[Watcher]], and [[Bree's religion - more speculation]]. Again, we can make sure that the Bree's religion article is comprehensive enough and has all these links in it.
*I'm not sure what to do with the locations pages... I don't think they are too valuable to newcomers, but perhaps we can link to a central Locations page that lists all these pages so ppl can explore if they want.
*lonelygirl.com site features - very important. I would display the forums, chat room, and LGpedia links more prominently.
*Official ARG should link to just AphidPedia, no need for separate OpAphid and Tachyon links now.
*Unofficial spin-offs - link to some page that lists all the significant ones, but not list them individually... and leave cassieiswatching out altogether maybe?
*Leave related sites links to Children of Anchor Cove, YouTube and Revver
*Alternate reality games - just leave link to ARG tools?
*Music - link to ccMixter, new music page and to the (soon to be) soundtrack!
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 01:47, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== New vid feature ==

Okay, so again, just an idea. Since [[User_Talk:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] expressed some concern that a new template might be confusing... At the bottom of the page, I added a link that says "add new video." If you click on the link, it takes you directly to the video column, and even provides instructions on how to add the text. It's just a rough example of how it could work, but using templates I think we could make it pretty easy for any registered user to quickly add the newest video.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:47, 12 December 2006 (CST)

I'm going to make a lot of repetitive edits to the page to add a notation system to make it easier to edit in the future. So that my edits don't interfere with the [[Special:recentchanges]] page, I'm going to make my edits as a bot. If you want to see the changes I'm making, you can always check the history of this page, or you can click on the "show bots" tab in the recent changes.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:12, 13 December 2006 (CST)

== Just In General ==

I was wondering if it is actually necessary to include ALL the information on the front page. It might be enough to link to certain catagories. Sure, listing the main characters (Bree, Gemma, Daniel, Jonas) is okay, but what about characters with very little airtime (Lucy, or the Deacon/Deacons) not to mention the space that all this stuff takes up. If you could just link to a characters portal page (or whatever it's called, my tech terms as you might be able to tell are limited) and from there jump to more specific catagories or direct characters, it would save space, and it would make the whole thing less confusing. Also the video column, to me at least, seems like a good idea, but what if you listed, with that little jpg preview (i like that) the name of the most recent video and then the description and the "author"/character. and then maybe, using only titles (like the current main page) listed the last three? there are about a million ways to do all this, but this was just my input. Of course I can't really edit things so these are all suggestions. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 21:41, 13 December 2006 (CST)

:Yeah, I agree with almost every idea Demosthenes says. There's really no need to include something like [[Deacons (commenters)]] so prominently. If we could eventually pare down the page, so that very little scrolling is required to get to the bottom of it I think that'd be ideal. Of course, it will take some work to get the various portal pages up, but I think it's a good general idea for the direction we want to take this.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:53, 13 December 2006 (CST)

::As I said above, I think the main page should be considerably smaller. As was discussed elsewhere, I the HRWiki is an excellent example in the way they do so much. Look at their [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page main page], and see how compact it is. I see no reason why our main page couldn't have a similar compactness. Rather than tossing up a link to every piece of information, there could be links to pages with lists of other links. We can have that little picture thing, followed by a single link to "Official Characters", a single link to "Locations", a single link to "spin-offs" or whatever. I think the main page should about one-third the size it currently is, if not more like one-quarter. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 19:09, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::: Yeah, single links to pages that are more specific, and not everything just dashed together on one page. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 01:20, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== Featured Article ==

What do people think of having a featured article of the week on the main page? It's common on a lot of wikis. I personally like the idea, because it could circulate interesting pages that otherwise people might not find. What do others think?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:00, 14 December 2006 (CST)

:I like that a lot! I think a week is a good time period. It's a great idea and we should figure out what sort of minimum quality standards an article must meet, and who gets to decide each week. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:04, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::I like it too, but as you said what are the criteria? Who decides? Theres a lot to do in order to have this idea work, certain pages would need to be cleaned up, others might need to be trimmed down. It would be a lot of work, but I think it's a cool idea, good enough to merit the work. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 01:24, 15 December 2006 (CST)

:::I've seen a few other wikis that do it. Basically they just discuss and vote. We could do it at the [[LGPedia:Community Portal|Community Portal]]. I think once a week is a schedule we'd be able to keep up with. We could do it batting order style. We could have the featured article on the main page. Then we have an article on deck for next week -- that everybody chips in to make really good. Then we could have a couple articles that we're considering for two weeks out.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 02:22, 15 December 2006 (CST)

::::I think its a good idea to have that pipe-line like idea. It means that you can have all the work focused on just one or two articles. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 09:05, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== ACTION! ==

Let's put some of this into use! I'm going to start with the Characters info.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:46, 20 December 2006 (CST)

== Color scheme ==

Since one of the goals of the redesign project was to make the main page look less like Wikipedia and more like Lonelygirl15, I thought maybe we should give some thought to our color scheme. Right now the main page uses pastels reminiscent of Wikipedia. When we redesign it, we should try to use colors that mimic the LG15 website (much like we've used templates to mimic user's YouTube profiles. I put together a table of html colors that to me look like the ones on LG15. Feel free to add better colors as seen fit! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 12:27, 20 December 2006 (CST)
(I removed my table since Brucker's had the official colors used on LG15 website)

Here's the actual color palette of the top of the main page:

{| align=left style="width:300px" border=2
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''''Color scheme'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|'''Sample'''
| style="background:white"|'''HTML Color name'''
|-
| style="background:#1E5DAA"|
| style="background:white"|background (1E5DAA)
|-
| style="background:#77C8E5"|
| style="background:white"|"A tribute to" (77C8E5)
|-
| style="background:#6FC6E3"|
| style="background:white"|"15" (6FC6E3)
|-
| style="background:#204C9F"|
| style="background:white"|Circles of dots (204C9F)
|-
| style="background:#2574C4"|
| style="background:white"|Light blue details (2574C4)
|-
| style="background:#1B5FB7"|
| style="background:white"|Faint dark blue flowers and circles (1B5FB7)
|-
| style="background:#2450AE"|
| style="background:white"|Bright blue unicursal hex (2450AE)
|-
| style="background:#1E6BBF"|
| style="background:white"|Center circle of flower (1E6BBF)
|-
| style="background:#535353"|
| style="background:white"|Navigation bar (535353)
|-
| style="background:#909090"|
| style="background:white"|Stars on the bar (909090)
|-
|}
 
These are eight different shades of blue and two greys, and there are no "standard" colors in there. Can anyone fix the formatting of these boxes? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:08, 20 December 2006 (CST)

I tried to fix it. Maybe there's a better way to do it but for now I guess this will do. I also took down my table since it takes up space and yours has the real colors anyway. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:30, 20 December 2006 (CST)

I added the hex triplets for ease of reference.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 14:08, 21 December 2006 (CST)

I love this new color scheme around the characters box!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:20, 21 December 2006 (CST)

 

== Pictures/Staff ==

I think we need to find new pictures of Gemma and Jonas. For whatever reason, both of them have shorter vertical distances which makes them look slightly akward compared to Bree and Daniel. If we can't find them images that match the other two, then we need to crop the Bree and Daniel pictures so they're all the same size.

Another thing: I think we should group the Creators and Production Staff (and possibly even [[Bukanator]])) together in one group. This would save the space it takes to divide them all into seperate catagories. Plus, there's really no need to make the distinction on the main page, is there? We can call the new catagory "LG15 Staff" or "Creators & Production Staff" - whatever works. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 13:36, 20 December 2006 (CST)

:Okay, I got the sizes all the same. Does anyone think that the Jonas picture still looks odd, though?--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:25, 20 December 2006 (CST)

::Thanks, looks great! It seems like the Jonas video is just a low-quality picture. Most of the pictures have been like that, though, recently. At least in my opinion. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 15:52, 20 December 2006 (CST)

Okay, while I agree that the new Gemma picture is a better picture of her, the cropping is very bad. We really need consitency here. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:36, 21 December 2006 (CST)

:Agree with Brucker, especially on the front page. We need somebody to get 4 good screenshots of Jonas, Gemma, Daniel and Bree -- crop them to the exact same size and dimensions and put them on the main page. I would do it, but I don't have the adequate software on the computer I'm at this week.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:13, 21 December 2006 (CST)
::I'm working on the screenshots.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 16:17, 21 December 2006 (CST)

::::::Can you try getting a better Daniel one as well? I must admit he looks a little bit dopey the way this screenshot came out and also it cuts off the top of his head which makes it worse. [[User:71.224.243.78|71.224.243.78]] 21:49, 21 December 2006 (CST)

The problem with finding good Daniel pictures is that in virtually every Daniel video, he's zoomed in one his face so tightly that you can't help cutting some of him off. I actually didn't want to use a picture from that video because he doesn't usually dress that way, but it's one of the best framed videos, and that particular frame is also the of the moments he comes closest to smiling. Daniel's a rather somber fellow, you may have noticed, and if I wanted a picture of him with his nose shoved against the camera and an angry look on his face, I would have had my pick. ; ) --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:26, 22 December 2006 (CST)

== New page is looking good ==

First, I love the new character box with their pictures. I would like to see that expanded to include the Creators (if they want) and I've made one for unofficial spin-offs as well. In my opinion, the Featured Articles section should be moved to the bottom.
Perhaps a special "the story so far" section could get its own prominent place on the main page, while the November 28 chat hardly deserves a place on the main page. There are only the same couple of sections in there, a whole transcript will never be compied as promised. There is very little of the actual chat in there almost a month on, and I think at this point it is hardly relevant anyway. What happened happened, and I don't think it needs a main page placement. We need to think of a way to compress the main page, if we keep adding each video like this, along with the numerous sections that are on there now, it'll end up going on forever. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 15:28, 21 December 2006 (CST)

:I don't want to sound rude, but I don't like the idea about the image box for the unofficial spinoffs. I just don't think that those spin-offs are important enough to take up such a big part of the main page. Technically, the unofficial spinoffs don't relate to the Breeinverse, so why should they take up a prominant part on the main page? If we include pictures for the unofficial spinoffs, we should also probably include pictures for Bree's parents, Lucy, the Watcher, Deacon, and maybe even Bree's stuffed animals. Understand what I'm saying? The unofficial spinoffs just don't seem important enough to have their pictures included on the main page. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:48, 21 December 2006 (CST)

::I see what you're saying, though one must admit cassieiswatching and NikkiB at least have both had a much bigger impact on the Breeniverse (you used the term incorrectly, the Breeniverse includes all things including unofficial) when it comes to fan talk, reaction, involvement, etc. than Lucy, Bree's Parents, or any Deacon ever did. While those three are official canon characters, if one speaks impact-wise, than some of the unofficial (though maybe secretly official?) spin-offs are far more important. (Also, if you are still going to list important spin-offs on the main page in the new one, as the format has so far suggested, why NOT use an image box as well? I think it looks spiffier and don't see why such a thing can't be installed for all applicatable categories). [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 21:52, 21 December 2006 (CST)

:::I think that having a box for anything besides the four main characters (and maybe at some point videos and news) is unesasary and just makes the main page more cluttered. I don't know, just my humble opinion--[[User:76.170.25.68|76.170.25.68]] 11:08, 22 December 2006 (CST)

::::The box just takes up more space. The whole point of the page, now that I've seen the box, is not to have a mile long scroll just to get to the bottom. It's got to look neat and concise, so boxes, though they take out some clutter of multiple links, just take up more space than one link. For example: just have a link called spin-offs as opposed to a whole box devoted to them. Just say OpAphid, instead of listing both OpAphid and Tachyon. It might take time to get up portals for all those things, or whatever there called (my tech talk is really not fluent,) but I think in the end it would be worth it. Do away with unnecessary links!--[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 11:15, 22 December 2006 (CST)

:::::In my opinion, a box listed horizontally, rather than verticle listings of "Bree's room, Daniel's room, Gemma's flat, Jonas's house, Bree's religion, Thelema, Dendera, blahblah" ends up taking up less room than the more room you contend it does. But also I expect the new front page to be rid of that inane list of things related to Bree's religion. How about a horizontal box with components of Bree's life, one box is religion and links to a page listing all those various related-to-religion things, another box is locations and goes to a page listing the locations and their links, and so on. I don't see how horizontal boxes take up more room than veritcle lists of sometimes 5-8 terms. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 12:18, 22 December 2006 (CST)

:::Does it matter what's had an impact and what hasn't? Although the LG15 community went nuts over things like cassieiswatching and Nikki Bower, they haven't affected the actual story yet. To me, making the spin-offs so prominant is basically getting off-topic. As for me using Breeniverse wrong, sorry... I'm not down with all the hip, new LG15 lingo... but according to the [[Breeniverse]] LGpedia page, it defines everything ''within'' the project and anything else that can be considered "real" in Bree's world - and in Bree's world, cassieiswatching is not real... and that's how I used the term.--[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 11:31, 22 December 2006 (CST)

I have some things to say about this, but basically I think I concur with Andy, and will expand on my thoughts in "[[Talk:Main_Page/redesign#Subheadings|Subheadings]]" below. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:31, 22 December 2006 (CST)

== Box at top? ==

Trying out some different ideas for the box at the top. I can't get the colors to match, but I think it's because I'm using MS Paint instead of photoshop. I think if we add the images Leftcorner.JPG and Rightcorner.JPG after editing them in photoshop we can get the colors to mesh seemlessly.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:55, 22 December 2006 (CST)

:Okay, I'm done playing with this box for the evening. I moved it directly above the main boxes. I was thinking that maybe we could do without the introductory text on the main page, and just have the page start with this box. I think that would be about the biggest step we could take to shortening the page. We could also add something in that intro box like -- "if you're new to wikis, click here" and it would take you to a new [[LGPedia:Welcome]] page. What does everybody think of the general idea?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 01:12, 22 December 2006 (CST)

::I concur, the box, not the text. *applause* --[[User:76.170.25.68|76.170.25.68]] 11:09, 22 December 2006 (CST)

==Subheadings==

I'm refering to the currently light-blue boxes that say things like "Official ARG" or "The Creators" etc. You know what I'm talking about? Okay, well - I think we need to get rid of them. I think that we need to create pages similar to the [[Characters]] page for every area, and then that column needs to contain only those links. The reason is that I think the main page needs to be more like a portal or table of contents rather than lists to specific articles. For instance, if underneath the bloggers box, you had links to "LG15 Staff," "Bree's Religion," "Locations," "Unofficial Spin-offs," etc. the page would be much more condensed and easier to navigate. If nobody objects, I'd like to create these pages and link to them on the redesign page sometime soon. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 11:55, 22 December 2006 (CST)

:Okay, I think we discussed it up above somewhere, but a lot of us seem to think that the best thing to do with the main page is to make it considerably smaller. The page will be much more user-friendly and aesthetically pleasing if needs little or no scrolling to wiew the information. As Andy says, each of those subheadings could be made into a page, and on the main page, we replace them with a link. Actually, we'd even go further, replacing several sections with a single link. I like "LG15 Staff", or maybe even "Behind the scenes", which would link to a page that had subsections of links and maybe short blurbs on the Creators, the production staff, and the cast (as opposed to the characters they play). Then we could have a link to [[Breeniverse]], which many have been saying should be a much larger article; we could make the article start with the basic definition (pretty much as it now stands) and then subsections of links to related topics, such as locations, info on Bree's religion, the timeline page and the story so far page. We could also include a link to the official characters page here, as technically, they're part of the Breeniverse. Then we'd also have a link to a page on spin-offs, which we maight expande to include even some of the more minor spinoffs in a simple list. And we'd have a link to [[AphidPedia]], although we might not label the link that way, as it might be confusing to newcomers. ]

:Now, on the second column, instead of a list of all videos, there could be a list of news items like we have on this page, that would include the latest video releases of LG15, OpAphid, and maybe a few of the more prominent spinoffs, along with announcements of important events related to the series. At the bottom or the top of the column, there would be a link to a list of videos. I think that would be the best design. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:47, 22 December 2006 (CST)

::I agree with both Brucker and Andy, the best way to do it is to have subsections or headings. As far as I can tell the whole point is to make the thing usuable, and having confusing lists of Spin-Offs listed in boxes akin to those of official characters, and OpAphid, the official spinoff if you will, listed just like anything else, it gets very confusing. So I'm all for making these aditions, after Christmas i guess.--[[User:76.170.25.68|76.170.25.68]] 00:42, 25 December 2006 (CST)

:::I created a [[Behind The Scenes]] page for the creators, production staff, and primary cast members. It definietly needs some work (well, not work necissarily - jazzing up, I suposse) - a better introduction would be nice, for instance... plus, it looks a little drab. I also added [[Bukanator]] to the list of characters as an "ambigious mystery person". So, we can remove the entire production staff area and replace it as a single link to the [[Behind The Scenes]] page, and Bukanator's section can also be removed. I'd like to do some more, but I don't know if I have time right now, later perhaps. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 11:03, 28 December 2006 (CST)

== "vid" template ==

Good thinking, JayHenry! That'll help standardize the look. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 16:25, 28 December 2006 (CST)

Even better! I set it up so you can simply copy the information from the Template:blog3 into [[Template:vid]] and it will format correctly on the main page. Standardized and easy!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:58, 28 December 2006 (CST)
:Ooo! VERY cool! I was also thinking about the [[Template:Event]], that it might be nice to have a few simple icon choices to go with it, such as a chat icon for a chat event, etc. Know what I mean? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 18:48, 28 December 2006 (CST)
::I uploaded some icons, I'm not sure if they're usable, me not being, as I've said before, very tech savy. Use em if you like, or if you dont like, dont. also a Featured Article Star. FA_Star.png Chat.png and Newvideo.png --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 20:37, 28 December 2006 (CST)

::I like the look of the icons, but then the question is how will they look when you shrink them down? What you've created may be a tad too elaborate, but we'll see. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:11, 29 December 2006 (CST)
:::It just occurred to me that this might look sorta silly on those fairly rare occasions where there's more than one event or video in a day. I think we can get around this using conditional formatting, have an option to not include the date. But it's too late, so I'll have to do it tomorrow.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 01:53, 29 December 2006 (CST)

== Changed Lots On the Left Column ==

Hope nobody minds, but I figured that it would be better just to '''do''' something that we seem to agree on, rather than screwing around describing everything before it happens. I think we're dealing with a relatively small group of people who are very interested in working on the new main page, so I think it's pointless to have major discussions on everything instead of just doing it.

That being said, I changed a lot of stuff on the left hand column, under the encycolpedia heading. I removed ''all'' of the subheadings and somehow moved the information in a list of links underneath the bloggers table. By doing this, I seriously shortened up this column and right now it's equal with the latest developments... so, if we maintain the size of the latest developments, it should look pretty nice (speaking of which - we need to determine what qualifies as a latest development: for example, does a new Nikki Bower video count?).

I moved the music and related sites to the new [[Behind The Scenes]] page, and I'm about to create a [[lonelygirl15.com Site Features]] page with links to the forum, chat room, LGpedia, and video list pages. I was initially going to put that as a section on the Behind The Scenes page, but I figured it should be more prominant. Also: I'm going to cleanup the unofficial spinoffs page, since it seems the more prominant spinoffs aren't included (presumably since they were already listed on the main page). I also think that we need to add some spaces between the latest video and other news, because it looks too blotched together (in my opinion).

Other than that... I don't know what else needs to be done? Obviously, the top section needs to be removed. And then... what else? Should we put it to a vote and see if everyone else likes it? And if it's well-accepted... make it the main page?

Woot. I'm excited. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:00, 28 December 2006 (CST)

:I'm excited too. I think this page is almost ready for prime time. As for [[lonelygirl15.com Site Features]] you can certainly have links from both the main page and the [[Behind The Scenes]] page. If we're all happy with the LGPedia main page redesign, we should probably run it by TWJaniak, make sure the Creators are okay with it, and then take it live. I say we give it until Jan 3? That will be just three weeks from when we started the redesign. Since it's a Holiday that will give us time to get input from a few more editors who've been away.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 01:51, 29 December 2006 (CST)

::I think we need to decide what qualifies as content for the right-hand column. (The left-hand column is great; there may be room for improvement, but not much!) I think we ''should'' include new Nikki Bower videos, but that may be just me. I think we can all agree that we ought to include new OpAphid videos, but is there anything else that deserves the prominence of being displayed on the front page? In my opinion, there are a handful of video series that are popular enough to warrant placement: Nikki Bower, Dr. Immant, Paulmark18, etc., but what standard determines which videos belong? At this point in time, there are probably at least 20 different video series that spin off of the Breeniverse, and we can't include them all, although there's a part of me that wishes we could. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:17, 29 December 2006 (CST)

=Just One More Thing... Featured Articles (Again)=
So if, no when, this thing is up, is the FA just going to be a randomly selected artcle? Or do we have to go through a whole process. Because, though as an example the FA box is great, i dont think Breebrows or Brucker really qualify. If the FA isnt going to just be a randomly selected page, then we should probably work on that as well. But the new page, shortened et. all looks great. Spiffy, if you ask me... --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 02:12, 29 December 2006 (CST)

:I just put Breebrows in there as a placeholder while I worked on a design. Brucker and Orange Slurpee were jokes as well. Anybody have any nominations for that first featured article, an article that could be ready to be featured next week?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:47, 29 December 2006 (CST)

::To be honest, I like the idea of a featured article, but don't fully understand the concept nonetheless. What in everybody's mind makes for a good featured article? An article that's complete and well-written? An article that introduces LGPedia readers to new topics they might not be aware of? Articles that have a good foundation but could use expansion? An article that's already popular, or one that isn't, but a handful of editors wish it was? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:21, 29 December 2006 (CST)

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They Are Still Everywhere

2007-10-15T10:58:30Z

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{{Tachyon
|name = They Are Still Everywhere
|image = tachyon4.JPG
|caption = Wait a tic! This isn't the Moulin Rouge!
|number = 4
|date = November 3rd, 2006
|url = {{youtube|g7LKU-T2h04}}
|description = Someone once accused me of tilting at windmills...

Right now, I only wish that I were capable of being so naive.

I've left something for you, and a message to pass along.

Perspective is critical. In this case, I trust you will share my view.
|tags = {{tags|LG15|lonelygirl15|danielbeast|daniel|gemmers19|ceremony|parents|house|sleepover|tachyon|opaphid}}


| execprod = Glenn Rubenstein
| producers = Glenn Rubenstein
| directors = Glenn Rubenstein
| camera = Glenn Rubenstein
| vidplay = Glenn Rubenstein
| story = Glenn Rubenstein
| editor = Glenn Rubenstein
| song = "Disappears" by Headboard

|Previous = URGENT: For My Helper!
|Next = They Are Watching
}}
'''They Are Still Everywhere''' is the fourth video in the Tachyon video series, a component of the [[OpAphid]] game. This video was posted as a responce to Bree's [[Where Are My Parents?]]

==Transcript==
A blurry shot of a highway 
A highway sign we can't read 

A simi drives past 
A lit-up windmill 
A view of a circular semitruck mirror 
The windmill and text: 
"Needless to say, things haven't gone according to plan I learned more in that last hour there than "i" did in her entire existance" 
A closeup of (we suspect) tachyon from hairline to nose 
Windmill and text: 
"I'm not sure it's safe to come home. 
I've left something for you, 
and a message to pass along." 
quick establishing shots of where the drop might have been ending on the sign out front and paning up to the windmill. 
a shot of semis going both directions on the highway and the phrase "tag you're it" bounces back and forth with the traffic
==Notes==
*Many YouTube users have pointed out the resemblance of this video to Don Quixote, a novel in which the main character is chasing windmills which he believes to be his enemy, which, obviously they are not. The windmills may be a reference to [[OpAphid]], implying that Tachyon is under the delusion that her "enemy" is everywhere.

==The Drop==
[[Drop 2 (where IS she going?)]] 
[http://lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2729 Forum discussion] 
{{youtube|aWtPvbLv6WA|Companion Video}}

Lucy's apartment

2007-10-13T01:21:25Z

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{{Locations
| name = Lucy's apartment
| image = Lucy apt1.jpg
| appearances =
*[[Following The Helper]] - {{init|Daniel}}
*[[Gemma? (Part I)|Gemma? <nowiki>[Part I]</nowiki>]] - {{init|Tachyon}}
*[[Gemma? (Part II)|Gemma? <nowiki>[Part II]</nowiki>]] - {{init|Tachyon}}
*[[Mmm Slurpee - NBR Investigates]] - {{init|Nikki Bower}}
*[[Look Who I Found!!!]] - {{init|Nikki Bower}}
*[[Oh, The Places You'll Go]] - {{init|Jonas}}
}}
'''Lucy's apartment''' was seen in [[Following The Helper]], when Daniel followed Lucy to her apartment. It is also interesting to note that [[Gemma]] lived in an apartment as well.

==Contents of the Apartment==
===Absinthe Robette===
A poster with the words '''Absinthe Robette''' is shown in Lucy's apartment.
It is by Belgian artist Privat Livemont. If an original, it is worth in the neighborhood of $20,000. See it [http://www.enjoyart.com/single_posters/other_liquors/absinthe_robette_one.htm Here]. Absinthe has been described at [http://www.tate.org.uk/tateetc/issue5/thedrink.htm the drink that fuelded a nations art].

===A computer===
Daniel found a '''computer''' in the apartment, and found photographs of himself. The file says "Greg Goodfried's desktop" in the corner of the screen, so [[Greg Goodfried]]'s apartment was presumably the site of the shoot.

===Google Maps locations===
Daniel also found '''five location searches in Google Maps''' left open on Lucy's computer. It is as of yet unclear what the significance of these locations is.
However, the locations have been identified as:

[[image:maplocations.jpg|right|thumb|250px|A Google Earth map of all the locations, with the sequence they appear in the video.]]

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Zavalla+texas&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=31.158318,-94.426117&spn=0.017664,0.054245&t=h&om=1&iwloc=A Zavalla, Texas] 
31Â° 9â²30.00â³N 
94Â°25â²34.00â³W

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=La+Crete&sll=35.099818,-80.851139&sspn=66.844558,164.882812&ie=UTF8&z=13&ll=58.193962,-116.419716&spn=0.043518,0.161018&t=h&om=1 La Crete, Alberta, Canada] 
58Â°12â²9.10â³N 
116Â°25â²5.50â³W

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Wickenburg&sll=35.099818,-80.851139&sspn=66.844558,164.882812&ie=UTF8&z=12&ll=33.967851,-112.747192&spn=0.136957,0.322037&t=h&om=1 Wickenburg, Arizona] 
33Â°58â²7.00â³N 
112Â°43â²44.00â³W

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=N+topanga+blvd&ie=UTF8&sll=35.099818,-80.851139&sspn=118.810383,329.765625&z=14&ll=34.088422,-118.586168&spn=0.034191,0.080509&t=h&om=1 North Topanga Canyon Blvd., Topanga, CA] 
34Â° 5â²37.00â³N 
118Â°36â²2.00â³W

[http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=adak+island+alaska&ie=UTF8&t=k&om=1&z=13&ll=51.825275,-176.653805&spn=0.048168,0.106258 Adak Island, Alaska]. 
51Â°47â²46.58â³N 
176Â°41â²55.98â³W

The significance of these locations has not been determined but it might be worth noting that they lie at approximately two latitudes, which have significance in terms of movement of the sun, and hence religions that attribute significance to movements of the sun. It is also worth noting that one of the locations is in Ariziona and in one of [[Daniel]]'s videos ("[[Aleister Crowley]]") he mentions a connection between [[Aleister Crowley]] and Arizona. Topanga Canyon was identified as the site of Bree's ceremony. These locations may also be cities in which the Order has [[commune|communities]], or in which the Order operates.

Two of the locations, Adak Island and Wickenburg, are close to military instillations. On Adak, the entire islands population lives on a Naval base. Wickenburg is a mere 36 miles away from Luke Air Force Base. This may indicate that the order has gained control of, or at least has signifigant influence on, the United States Military, in particular the Air Force and the Navy.

In the video [[Proving Longitude Wrong]] [[Bree]] discusses longitude and this may tie into the Google locations.

Zavalla, Texas was recently revealed to be where canon characters [[Sarah]], [[Taylor]], and [[Julia]] lives and several videos are posted from Zavalla.

<gallery>
Image: Lucy_apt2.jpg|Lucy's apartment Outside
Image:Lucyapt1.JPG|The Balcony
Image:Lucysapt2.JPG|The Inside
</gallery>
<gallery>
Image:Lucysabsintheposter.JPG|The Absinthe Poster
Image:Lucysapt3.JPG|The Bedroom
Image:Lucysapt4.JPG|The Office
</gallery>

{{location index}}