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List of lonelygirl15 videos/Season 3

2007-07-23T13:46:23Z

72.77.92.54: Adding latest story arc to the table of contents

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===Overture===
[[Paytotheorderofofof vs. Dinosaur]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[YouTubers Secret Language]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[Misdirected. Lost Visual in the Burn Out]] {{Init|Brother}}
<br>[[Sparks Are Flying]] {{Init|Brother}}
<br>[[3-2-1 Contact]] {{Init|Brother}}
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==SEASON ONE==
===In The Beginning...===
<li>[[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Purple Monkey (video)|Purple Monkey]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[School Work in Summer... BLECHH!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Danielbeast]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Grillz feat. Danielbeast, LG15, P. Monkey, and O'n.]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Parents Suck...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Daniel Responds]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Proving Science Wrong!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}
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===Bree & Daniel's Relationship===
<li>[[Boy Problems...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Girl Problems...]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[He Said, She Said]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad "talks" to Daniel)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Daniel The Neanderthal]] {{Init|Bree}}
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===Bree's Religion===
<li>[[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[Add Poe Hinder Vilification]] {{Init|WarPylol}}
<li>[[What Bree's Dad Said...]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Me, Religion, and Daniel :(]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Mysteries of My Past... REVEALED!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[A Peace Offering (and P. Monkey Boogies)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[I'm Really, Really, Really Excited!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Swimming!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Bree The Cookie Monster]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[A Change In My Life]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Poor Pluto]] {{Init|Bree}}
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===More Bree & Daniel's Relationship===
<li>[[I Want to Take Bree to a Party!]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Should I Or Shouldn't I?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[I'm Going to the Party!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[House Arrest]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[In The Park]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[What's A Date?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My First Kiss]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Learning To Drive]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Equinox]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[How Could You?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
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===The Ceremony===
<li>[[My Difficult Decision]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[You Made the Right Choice, Bree!]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<br>[[An update of sorts]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Who Is This?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[My Helper]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[DO GO TO GOD, Cassie (for my helper)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[How My Parents Met]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Where Are They Going?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel Crossed The Line]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Order of Denderah]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>[[Everyone Hates Cassie: What a poor, lonely girl.]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<br>[[They Attack Cassie! Is Daniel Next? He Crossed the Line.]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Zodiac of Denderah]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[What ever happened to that girl, Cassie?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Aleister Crowley (Video)|Aleister Crowley]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[The Ceremony Is Tomorrow :)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[Cassie is Lying, Cassie Tells Lies]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[The Ceremony]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[I Completed The Ceremony]] {{Init|Bree}}
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===More Questions===
<li>[[Following The Helper]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel, Be Careful...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Where's Daniel?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[Nut Kills Man]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<br>[[Disclosure: Cassie. We Are "They"]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<br>[[Which Side Are You On? (Keep This In Mind)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[I'm Hiding Out]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>[[Cassie Does Not R.I.P. (Rest In Peace)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[I Lied To Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[Living In London]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<br>[[My lonesome update for mid October]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[I Listened To Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Hi Gemma!]] {{Init|Bree}}
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===Things Turn Dark===
<li>[[It's Not Your Decision]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[I Talked To My Parents]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[The Action of an Enemy - Be Careful]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Proving Longitude Wrong]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[URGENT: For My Helper!]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Thanks Gemma...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[They Disappeared...]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[What Makes Us Sad?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[LG15 in Topanga Canyon - NBR 1]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Life's Not Fair]] {{Init|Bree}}
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===Bree & Daniel Escape===
<li>[[Still At Daniel's]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Where Are My Parents?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[They Are Still Everywhere]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Horrid Flatmates]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<br>[[What I Found at Topanga Canyon - NBR 2]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[On The Run]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Learning Egyptian]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<br>[[What's in the Box/Bree & Daniel Update - NBR 3]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Motel Pool]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[They Are Watching]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Don't Trust The Authorities]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Exploring The Motel]] {{Init|Bree}}
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===The Watchers===
<li>[[Someone's Following You]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Man In The Suit]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Breakfast In Bed]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>[[My Name Is Jonas]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[A Watcher]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Fleeing The Watcher]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[Watchers Everywhere]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Survival Skills]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Silent Treatment]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>[[Bored At Home]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[An Awkward Silence]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Date With P. Monkey]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[Happy Thanksgiving]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Thanksgiving]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[My Day at the Movies - NBR 5]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<br>[[Adventures in Babysitting]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<br>[[Mysteries of My Past... Revealed: My Time in Suburbia]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<br>
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===Bree & Daniel Get Desperate===
<li>[[Ransacked!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Scared To Go Home]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Trust Issues]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Jonas?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel Is Right]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Homeless]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>[[Knock 'Em Down]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Warwalking]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Anti-Cribs]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Bad Decisions]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<br>[[Home Alone]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[The Test]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>[[Where Is Jonas?]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<br>
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===Going To Jonas===
<li>[[Your Decision]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Back Home]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>[[Gemma? (Part I)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<br>[[Gemma? (Part II)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Tough Cookie]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Gemma, Who Are You?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Cheer Me Up]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Back At Bree's]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>[[Gemma? (Part III)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<br>[[Investigating Gemma - NBR 7]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Bree Phone Home]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Undisclosed Location]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Skateboarding]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Breaking And Entering]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Mystery Movies]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[Happy Holidays LG15 - NBR 8]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Christmas Surprise]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>
<br>
===Bree Makes A Move===
<li>[[Bree's Gone]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<br>[[Gemma (Part IV)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Roadtrip]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[The Unthinkable Happened]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[Gemma (Part V)]] {{Init|Brother}}
<li>[[Bree's Dad Is Dead]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[My Dad Said...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[45 Seconds]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Purple Monkey Returns]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Foosball]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>[[The Last Hours of Bree's Dad's Life - NBR 9]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Hiding In The Bathroom]] {{Init|Bree}}
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===Bree & Daniel's Relationship ''Ad Nauseam''===
<li>[[Bree And I Hooked Up]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>[[The Ends Justify The Means]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Kicked Out]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Daniel's A Liar]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Truth Or Dare]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Hungover]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>[[Investigating Pins and Pints]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Time To Grow Up]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Foosball Battle]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>[[Naming Bree's Dad]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<br>[[Lose Something?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[For The Ladies]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>
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===Daniel's Disappearance===
<li>[[Daniel's Missing!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Looking For Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Sleepover]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[The Cowboy]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Miss Me?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<br>[[Finding the Cowboy - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Me For Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Storm The Castle]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<br>[[Mmm Slurpee - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[The Human Ransom]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>
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==="Those Who Fight And Run Away..."===
<li>[[Rescuing Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Drinking Problems]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Valentine's Day Massacre]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Watch This!]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>[[Look Who I Found!!!]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Yellow Snow]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Snow Angels]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Jonas Sucks]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Men Are From Mars]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Cracked The File]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>
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===Who IS Jonas?===
<li>[[How Dumb Am I?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Bree Is Crazy]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Interrogation 101]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[What The Hell?!??!]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Is He Out There?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Proving Bree Wrong]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[On The Road Again]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>[[School's In Session! - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Sorry Jonas]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>
<br>
===Introducing Aunt Alex!===
<li>[[Beach Bum]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Flesh Wound]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Hand Hurts]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Aunt Alex]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Training Hard]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[On The Hot Seat]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Uncle Dan]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Lucy!?!?!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Alex Is...]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<br>
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=== Tracked, Captured, and Escaped ===
<li>[[Truckstop Reunion]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Co-Ed Foosball]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Vegas, Baby!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Subjects Apprehended]] {{init|The Order}}
<li>[[Psychological Torture]] {{init|The Order}}
<li>[[Communication Terminated]] {{init|The Order}}
<li>[[Missing Days]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Losing My Religion]] {{init|Bree}}
<br>
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===South Of The Border===
<li>[[Lying Bastards]] {{init|Daniel}}
<br>[[It's Party Time - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Spring Break Sucks]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Confrontation]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Hug It Out]] {{init|Jonas}}
<br>[[Call Me Jules]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[Apology Accepted?]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Spanglish]] {{init|Jonas}}
<br>[[Following the Drugs - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<br>[[He's a monster, I promise!!]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[The Perfect Beach]] {{init|Bree}}
<br>[[First Video (I know, lame title)]] {{Init|Taylor}}
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===Going Underground===
<li>[[About The Gun]] {{init|Jonas}}
<br>[[The Ceremony Girl?! - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[New Girl]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Running For Life]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Intervention]] {{init|Jonas}}
<br>[[Practice Sucked :(]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[Sloppy Drunk]] {{init|Bree}}
<br>[[Field Trip]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[Blog Girl]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Quitting The Sauce]] {{init|Daniel}}
<br>[[I Recognize Her!]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[What Happened to Us???]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[A Solid Lead]] {{init|Bree}}
<br>[[Mi Escuela]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[Science Proved Nothing]] {{init|Jonas}}
<br>
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=== The Search For Jules ===
<li>[[OUT OF THE BUNKER!!!]] {{init|Bree}}
<br>[[Hear Me Out]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[Crazy Emo Chick]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>[[Bucking Broncos - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[No Trespassing]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[We Found Julia!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[It's Not Kidnapping]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Naive Girl]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[She's Missing]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Aiding and Abetting]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<br>
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===Bree's Surrender ===
<li>[[What the F*@k???]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[1500 Miles]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[I Know What Boys Like]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[Let's Play Doctor]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Comfort Food]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[My Sister = Slut]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[Oh, The Places You'll Go]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Sing With Me]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[CAMP PLAY]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Be Part of Something]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Opening the Box]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Entertaining Myself]] {{Init|Sarah}}
<li>[[It's A Cult]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<br>
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=== Getting Bree Back ===
<li>[[Getting Her Back]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[I hAtE tHeSe PeOpLe]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Bedside Manner]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Taking Advantage of Her]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[HOLY SH%T!!!]] {{Init|Sarah}}
<li>[[The Morning After]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Mr. Park Ranger]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Everybody Does It ;)]] {{Init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Like A Virgin]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<br>[[My Eternal Song]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Going Home]] {{Init|Bree}}
<br>
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===The Gilman Files===
<li>[[A New Lead]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[The Mad Scientist]] {{Init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Sweating Bullets]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[FOLLOW YOUR HAPPINESS]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Mistress]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[In (Search of) sanity...]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Rockin' the Boat]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[My Mom's A Freak!]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[What Up Blogosphere!]] {{Init|Spencer}}
<li>[[Look Back]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Dad Died Too]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Dude Back Off]] {{Init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Going Back to Cali]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[All Wet]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>[[Kicked Out - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[I'm Here To Help]] {{Init|Spencer}}
<li>[[Hope He's Not Mad]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[The Bree Solution]] {{Init|Spencer}}
<li>[[Sing Until The End]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Deep Throat]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<br>
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==="Mission Accepted"===
<li>[[We Have A Plan]] {{Init|Spencer}}
<li>[[Mission Alpha]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[Mission Beta]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Mission Gamma]] {{Init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Mission Possible]] {{Init|Spencer}}
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*[[#Overture|Overture]]
*[[#In The Beginning...|In The Beginning...]]
*[[#Bree & Daniel's Relationship|Bree & Daniel's Relationship]]
*[[#Bree's Religion|Bree's Religion]]
*[[#More Bree & Daniel's Relationship|More Bree & Daniel's Relationship]]
*[[#The Ceremony|The Ceremony]]
*[[#More Questions|More Questions]]
*[[#Things Turn Dark|Things Turn Dark]]
*[[#Bree & Daniel Escape|Bree & Daniel Escape]]
*[[#The Watchers|The Watchers]]
*[[#Bree & Daniel Get Desperate|Bree & Daniel Get Desperate]]
*[[#Going To Jonas|Going To Jonas]]
*[[#Bree Makes A Move|Bree Makes A Move]]
*[[#Bree & Daniel's Relationship Ad Nauseam|Bree & Daniel's Relationship ''Ad Nauseam'']]
*[[#Daniel's Disappearance|Daniel's Disappearance]]
*[[#"Those Who Fight And Run Away..."|"Those Who Fight And Run Away..."]]
*[[#Who IS Jonas?|Who IS Jonas?]]
*[[#Introducing Aunt Alex!|Introducing Aunt Alex!]]
*[[#Tracked, Captured, and Escaped|Tracked, Captured, and Escaped]]
*[[#South Of The Border|South Of The Border]]
*[[#Going Underground|Going Underground]]
*[[#The Search For Jules|The Search For Jules]]
*[[#Bree's Surrender|Bree's Surrender]]
*[[#Getting Bree Back|Getting Bree Back]]
*[[#The Gilman Files|The Gilman Files]]
*[[#"Mission Accepted"|"Mission Accepted"]]

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Wyman Foundation

2007-07-23T13:44:23Z

72.77.92.54:

{{Locations
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| image = Wyman logo.jpg
| appearances =
*[[The Mad Scientist]] - {{init|Sarah}}
*[[Mission Possible]] - {{init|Spencer}}
}}
The '''Wyman Foundation''' was first discovered when [[Taylor]] analyzed the [[A New Lead|bar codes]] from the [[Opening the Box|box]] left for [[Bree]] by her [[Bree's parents#father|dad]]. The Wyman Foundation's logo is a [[lemniscate]], like those found on the boxes of [[Epogen]].

==The Website==
"The Wyman Foundation is a private, non-profit basic research and educational institution. Under the leadership of our world-renowned staff, some 330 scientists conduct groundbreaking research in cancer, neurobiology, plant genetics and bioinformatics. The Wyman Foundation is one of eight National Cancer Institute-designated basic research centers in the U.S. and the only such center in the San Diego area.

Established more than fifty years ago, Wyman Foundation is today recognized internationally for its educational activities, including an extensive program of scientific meetings and courses that attracts more than 8,000 scientists to the campus each year." [http://www.wymanfoundation.com]

==Location==
The scenes at the Wyman Foundation do not actually take place at the Wyman Foundation in San Diego. They are all in Calabasas, CA, which is north of Los Angeles. The locations are the Union 76 station on Calabasas Road, The Commons on Calabasas Road, and an office park on Murearu Road.

==Gallery==

<gallery>
Image:Wyman ext.jpg|A far-shot of the building
Image:0215-DanielPreparingToEnter.jpg|Outside the Main Office
Image:0215-SarahSittingOnTheGrass.jpg|The lawn
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Mission Possible

2007-07-23T13:43:56Z

72.77.92.54:

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'''Mission Possible''' is the two hundred thirty-seventh video in the lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].

==Transcript==

===This transcript is unfinished===

(''Widescreen shot back of a 4WD Spencer is holding the camera pointing at his face, Taylor (whom is wearing a headset and has a laptop) and Sarah can be seen in the background.'')

'''Spencer:'''So here we are; Judgement Day, This place really clears out on Saturdays who knew scientists take a break? Our Soldiers are in place ready it infiltrate the [[Wyman Foundation]], a blood sample beckons us and we have but a short time to get it, (''Looks back a Taylor'') Is everyone ready?

'''Taylor:''' (''Talking into her head set'') You guys ready? (''She nods and gives the thumbs up'')

'''Sarah:''' Did you just give the thumbs up?

'''Spencer:''' Part 1: The Siren Call, Sarah Go!

'''Sarah:''' What?

'''Spencer:''' Go!

'''Sarah:''' Oh right "go" sorry

'''Text:''' THE SIREN CALL © Spencer Gilman

(''Full Screen shot, now outside Sarah holds the camera to her face'')

'''Sarah:''' I didn't hav the luxury of a training video because apparently... I don't need to be trained for what I am about to do, Spencer says I am a natural. ''(sighs)'' I'm in charge of security, or the security guard, suprise.

(''Widescreen shot zoomed image of a security guard walking back and forth'')

'''Spencer:'''(''VO'') The security guard looks a little upset. (''The Guard sits down on the side of the road'') Is he crying?

'''Taylor:''' What?

(''Full Screen shot camera is in Sarah's lap the Security guards's body but not head is in shot'')

'''Security Guard:''' (''notably low audio quality'') ...he never wanted to see me again, especially after he took her dog, he claimed it was his, honestly after 4 years isn't everything mutually shared? (''sniffs'')

'''Sarah:''' Uhhhhhh??? Yeah sorry you had to go throught that, that...that sounds uhh like a real nightmare

'''Security Guard:''' (''crying hard'') It really was.

'''Sarah:''' Oh umm (''Guard cries even more'') don't don't cry, no I'm not good with emotions, I think. Oh god I dropped my cell phone.

(''Sarah picks up the camera'')

==Notes==
*This is the first LG15 video to contain 6 major characters.
*This is the [[:Category:Videos by length|longest]] lonelygirl15 video to date.
*This video confirms the identity of the mysterious [[TCC]] as [[Alex]].

User talk:72.77.92.54

2007-07-18T15:01:36Z

72.77.92.54:

I was wondering who are you? Somone, who edits as much as you should have a username, and you've made some very major edits over the past few months, that I wish didn't come from an anonymous IP. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:06, 11 July 2007 (CDT)
:Oh, sorry, misty. It's me, [[User:SilverBULLETx3|Silver]]. I just forget to log in sometimes. [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 10:01, 18 July 2007 (CDT)

LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony

2007-07-10T20:12:34Z

72.77.92.54: /* Addition of KateModern to LGPedia */

[[Image:GustaveCailbotteThe Balcony1880-Cropped.jpg|left|thumb|150px|A couple of [[LGPedia]] admins ([[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] & [[User:Psmith|Psmith]]) take a breather to admire the view from [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

[[Image:Lucy's_Balcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Your friendly [[LGPedia]] admins, [[User:Brucker|Brucker]], [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]], and [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] enjoy an unseasonably warm {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} afternoon on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

Welcome to '''Lucy's Balcony''', a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the [[LGPedia]]. This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns. To start a new thread, [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&action=edit&section=new click here]. Please remember to sign your posts by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end.

For old or inactive conversations, visit [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive|Lucy's archive]].

[[Image:snowwhitebalcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|[[User:Zoey|Zoey]], one of your [[LGPedia]] admins, frolics with the doves on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

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== Unused images ==

In cleaning up location pages I've orphaned a rather large number of images. The location pages had an unfortunate tendency to just include random screen-shots from videos that had absolutely nothing to do with the location. I've been cutting them out. Do we want to have an unused image assessment of some sort? Use the good ones, and just delete the lousy ones? We really don't need to keep hundreds of unused images laying around. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:06, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
:Well I think that you should delete the unused images, that don't look like they can be useful, to add to later articles or updates. Several times I went to an image category to find an image for an article. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 17:40, 15 May 2007 (CDT)

== General deletion/inclusion guidelines ==

As a result of the discussion on [[Template talk:HoverTOC]] and also somewhat on [[LGPedia:Tasks/Completed#LordGreystoke422's videos]], I think it's high time we figured out exactly what our deletion and inclusion policy is here. Currently our [[LGPedia:Deletion Policy|deletion policy]] is rather minimal and very much open to interpretation. There was a discussion about this on [[LGPedia talk:Deletion Policy]] quite a while back, and most of that is probably still applicable, but I have a feeling people will have some new ideas as well. I think the best way to handle the inclusion aspect of this would be to create a list of criteria that are necessary in order for an article to be included here. What we don't want to do is turn into Wikipedia here, but having some generals guidelines wouldn't be a bad idea. Another issue is deletion, which I suppose is very related to inclusion. I guess we could also have a list of reasons for why an article should be deleted, and maybe another list for reasons that ''aren't'' enough for an article to be deleted. Really, this is very open-ended, but I would ''love'' if people would get involved in the discussion here. To put in my two cents, I think a good first point for inclusion would be that it is related to Lonelygirl15 in some way. How closely related it would have to be is a point of discussion I guess, but that's a start at least.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:39, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:Okay, for me, I think that with fan videos, you should kind of look at what the purpose of the videos is, how they tell their stories, and what kind of stories are being told. Like I think videos that seem to be "going somewhere"... like distinctive stories with distinctive arcs may be better with just large summary pages that people can read. It makes it much easier to follow those kinds of stories when things are all laid out in one place. Like, LG422... and GC and such. Those are the kinds of stories I mean. However, with things like say... aaronbeast, where they're kind of... response videos.. or videos that don't really follow a specific story but kind of adapt based on what's going on in the [[Breeniverse]], those should get their own video pages. That's how ''I'' would view it... although I'm not entirely sure that made sense... hopefully it did. :P I'd love people's thoughts please!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:31, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

:I've gotta say, while I did negatively notice this before, when I was looking through the templates to catalogue them, I was once more reminded how many fan-created series have pages here.
:That is not bad per se, but, without going to sound arrogant or anything...many of them are just not noteworthy.
:Example - chosen randomly, not a personal attack: [[Linsy]]. We have a page on her, three video pages with transcripts, and even [[:Category:Linsybeast's blogs]]. And you know what? I have no idea who the fuck that is.
:Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against fanfic, fan participation, or anything. But I think we should set a certain standard of "noteworthyness" before listing people here, at least on more than one general site. Stuff like HSAO gained a lot of user traction, and Dr. Immant's videos apparently were quite well done and well-received by fans (never seen them) - but we don't have to have entire catalogues of every video every LG15 fan once did, just because they pretend to be in the Breeniverse.
:Another thing is useless occupation of space; example: There is a hardcoded sidebar-template for "GuillotineCalamity", which means that sidebar is fixed for that video series and cannot be used by anyone else. What's it used for? Two pages that contain barely more than "Transcript incomplete". Check out Category:GuillotineCalamity - the five season subcategories are all empty, and GC Seasons does nothing more than link to these empty categories. Apparently, at least according to the main page on that topic, there actually were quite a lot of these videos. Where are they? Why do we need five categories and a sidebar, if all we have on that series other than the main page are two video pages with no information?
:Like I said, don't get me wrong - I have nothing against fan fiction. But what we're currently doing is like accepting every little essay a grade schooler once wrote into the Great Library of Alexandria. We are flooded with pages that, quite frankly, don't interest anyone but the authors...and maybe two or three other people.
:I don't know exactly ''how'' to solve this problem, maybe by requiring a certain amount of hits on a single page, before branching out is allowed or something, but I think the overall quality of this encyclopedia suffers from this. While fan fiction most definitely is an important part of LG15, this is the official encyclopedia on the official site, sometimes visited by The Creators themselves through their Admin account - I think it should focus on important and official stuff first, and ''then'' on fan faction and trivia. Right now, we have some important core pages, like List of Videos, the video pages themselves, List of Characters and the character pages, and a whole lot of crap that is fun to have, but takes focus away from the efficient administration and care for the important pages. Do we really need a page on [[H.P. Lovecraft]]? As far as I'm concerned he has had ''no'' major influence on the canon. He has enjoyed, ''perhaps'' some passing references, but ''that's nothing special''. Hundreds of videos everyday do that. But they link to Wikipedia instead of writing their own page about him. [[Dava Sobel]]. wtf do we need that for? It's a one line note, ''and'' it's been said on the video page for [[Proving Longitude Wrong]]. There is no reason to have that page.
:Okay, I think you got my point here - it's late, so I'll move on.

:Deletions. Yeeees. Zoey has ignored me for the past few days, so I guess it's evident I have quite some strong feelings on this topic. Most of them I have already posted, so let me just sum things up quickly:
:I have nothing against deletions as such. In fact, I myself have given good reason for the deletion of both Template:PageHeader and [[Template:Clr]], after this whole orgy was over - see the respective talk pages. What I was, and still am, annoyed by is the notion that a template should be deleted just because it's currently unused. A template is a convenience thing. A tool. Do you throw away your hammer just because you don't use it at a given point in time, and then get it back out when you actually use it? I think not.
:If a template is useless and will most likely ''never'' be used, fine - kill it. But if it's a useful little thing, why delete it, just because ''right now'' nobody is using it?

:The discussion also revealed a kind of weird view of deletion around here - apparently, it means nothing. The stance here seems to be to delete something if it's currently unwanted, and to restore it if it's wanted again. And that just takes the use and meaning out of it. A deletion should be a strong statement that the page is not wanted anymore. Instead, it's being used for a crude form of giving the appearance of order - similar to a child that gets the order to clean his room, only to shovel all his toys under his bed. Sure, it looks clean, but as soon as he'll need the toys, he'll get them back out.
:I am not against restoring, I said that. But it should be a tool rectify a mistake - not an action as common as opening a page.
:In fact, this stance is probably connected to what I mentioned above - ''we have too much crap lying around here''. If pages were reduced to essentials and semi-essentials, it'd be a much harder decision to delete anything, simply because it'd have a major impact on the information presented. Instead, an admin can delete half the pages here without fear to destroy anything important - 90% of all users would still find exactly what they want.

:It's two o' clock in the morning, so I'll stop here. I know I didn't present any solutions, but maybe it's better to hear your reactions first anyway. Don't be shy, and don't be afraid to use whatever language you might find necessary. Just remember that we're talking about administrative issues here, not friendship or community. This is not, at least from my point of view, about whether or not somebody's feelings might get hurt if his pages are deleted (be it "my" templates, [[Linsy]]'s blogs, or carefully crafted pages over totally insignifcant details), but about how to get a certain sense of order in this thing, and setting a certain standard of quality.
:You cannot accept everything if you want the average to be good. The question is just if you have the balls to turn people down if it's necessary.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:09, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:<small>*looks up* ...oops. [[Template:Quote]], if anyone is crazy enough to reply.

:BAH, Zoey, out of my line of post! '''[Editing conflict resolved]'''</small>

::@Zoey: Hmm, that's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure it would really work. I don't think it would be too fair to say that a certain series shouldn't have video pages just because it has the "story" format that you're talking about. Similarly, there's no reason that a rather minor fanfic video should get its own video page just because it doesn't have that story format. I think the criteria should be something like popularity, connection to LG15, probability of canonicity, etc.

::@Renegade: I think you raise some good issues. Firstly, I agree with you about the problem with notability of videos. I think when the whole [[List of New Girl Candidates|new girl]] thing was going on, every possible "new girl" was given a page, and all of their videos started to be transcribed. This has created a lot of probably-less-than-notable fan blog pages that people may not be that interested in. I think a good solution might be to figure out which ones are actually notable (perhaps page-view count as you suggest or maybe something else), and then determine if we need the transcript pages or just one page for the character that could give a summary of their blogs and general information on them. That way, the notability or important of a fan series is reflected here by how much space, time, effort, etc. we put into it. Again, it might be hard to determine the "notability" factor, but I'm sure we could come up with some method to do so.

::As far as the waste of space, the reason that happens (at least from my point of view) is that we hate to undo someone's work because we either 1) don't want to hurt their feelings (a lame reason really) or 2) think they might come back to it at some point in the future. It's a little similar to the templates you created, Renegade. We see that someone has created something which looks like it could be useful, but isn't really being used yet. We're skeptical about deleting it, and yet it seems like it would help clean up if we do. I think just better communication all around would help solve this problem. We shouldn't be afraid to ask people why they created a certain page, template, category, etc. as long as it's done in a considerate way. If there is a genuine good use for what they have done, then they can explain it. If it was done on a whim or we decide it's not necessary or there's a better way to organize the information, then it can be deleted or reorganized.

::And really, I agree with you about the deleting/restoring thing. What I was trying to say before is that ''if'' a page gets deleted because no one sees a good use for it, then we can ''fix'' the mistake of deleting it by restoring it. I was trying to point that that deletion isn't that big of a deal because it can be undone. Of course, if we think we're going to be restoring something later, then of course we shouldn't delete it. I hope this makes sense, and I'll try to explain better if it doesn't.

::One final word. You're right that we're not talking about friendship or community here, and I agree that people should be free to express their opinions openly. Sometimes, though, this can turn into a war between people rather than between those people's ideas. I encourage everyone to not take anything personally here. As I'm so fond of saying, we're all working toward the same goal, so please remember that and never assume that someone is attacking you personally. Any and all personal attacks here will '''not''' be tolerated, so let's try to not make that an issue. That said, let's continue to have a helpful discussion that will make this place better for everyone.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 12:22, 9 June 2007 (CDT)

Okay I just wanted to say, my idea was for how to handle videos once they're already gotten the stamp of approval to be on the page, based on whatever criteria we set. Because like Renegade said, the GC videos and the CIW vidoes all have video pages, but really arent used. So um, if based on our criteria to get something on the site in the first place, they're still good, I think we should look at the things I mentioned before, and perhaps decide that they don't need video pages, only summary pages (like LG422 videos as well). As far as WHAT those criteria are, I don't really know...

And Renegade, I haven't been ignoring you. I've been reading everything you say very closely. The strength of my opinions on these topics, however, doesn't even come close to yours, so it is difficult for me to give you worthy responses. But I am reading what you are saying and just... trying to take a step back and examine all viewpoints before I give any input on what I think should be done for what things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:46, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Pinging Zoey with 478 bytes of data:
Reply from Zoey: bytes=1006 time=563040000ms TTL=255

:hehehe :D
:Nah, seriously...thanks for replying at all. Although I now feel like a fundamentalist radical on the topic of deletions, it at least gives me the hope I didn't piss you off for good. I do see some irony in the fact that Template:PageHeader still exists, though, given that even I am for its deletion now. :D
:Aaaand that brings us back on topic (ain't I good?): It's dead. Nobody wants to talk, but us. So I propose we do the stuff suggested below, to make people aware of what we're discussing above. Sound like a plan? Good. I'll try to code/design something and ... '''Update:''' I did code something, behold it on [[LGPedia:Participate]]. But now my favorite admistress (or one the other demi-gods) would have to go to [[MediaWiki:Recentchangestext]] and add <nowiki>{{LGPedia:Participate}}</nowiki>, as I lack the power to do that. Make sure to add it outside of a block of text though (first thing on the page at best) as everything else fucks it up. Took me three revisions to figure out the template was fine, and the the positioning was to blame. -_- And adjust the top-margin when it's added, I had to guess for now.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:35, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

:: It's looking really good. I think [[:Category:Featured article nominees|featured articles]] and [[:Category:Proposed Merges|proposed merges]] should also be added... and probably some other stuff I'm not thinking of ATM. I'm assuming it doesn't update automatically though? So people will have to really be on top of it. Oh, and also, I think the text under Participate should be bigger... for those of us who are blind *cough*. I'll see about adding it to recent changes, but I generally fail at that kind of stuff anyways, so it might be better to wait for another admin to come along and make it look nice...
::And um, yeah, I'm going to go delete PageHeader now :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:12, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

:The fact that "Renegade" does not know "who the fuck" [[Linsy]] is, is pretty unimpressive criteria for deleting anything a fan has taken the trouble to add to LGPedia. I think the opinion as expressed here is incredibly arrogant and hostile to community (comments such as "grade school", "crap", "having balls" etc. do not inspire confidence). My personal opinion is that unless you are running into some hard technical issue such as exceeding storage space (which is usually absurd these days, but possible), there is very little justification to delete contributions made by occasional posters or those outside the core LGPedia group. That is the opposite of what you should be doing. Add structure? Absolutely. Move really random/disconnected items off to an orphanage for lost pages (or equivalent) sure. But don't delete, and leave a link (comprehensive note on a talk page or comment in history or *some* obvious path to finding the moved article without having to contact a staff member - I'm not sure what the best solution there is).

:There are growing and independent circles of fans, who are every bit as invested and involved in their segments of the Lonelygirl15 community as the few LGPedia mainstays, and the vitality of this effort depends on the confidence that time invested in posting here will not be discarded by someone with a different idea of what is important. That kind of editing would be disrespectful and foolish. My contributions here have been minor, and may not even fit in with your concepts (I don't know), but if I put something here and linked to it from off site, and came back later to check for updates, etc. and found my work silently deleted, I would be angry. That kind of move should be made with the utmost care and respect.

:So address the issues, but find a better solution than deleting even relatively trivial contributions from fans. You never know when they will come back to expand on or edit their work, possibly becoming more significant contributors later. You folks have a great thing going here - there is no need to alienate the occasional contributors. First contributions take the most effort sometimes, and should not be undervalued.

:Maybe a better editorial concept is to think of a core set of pages (a trunk and main branches) that are tightly controlled, surrounded by a cloud of satellite pages (twigs and leaves) that are a bit wild and unruly, with a few orphans that fall to the ground, but are still down there somewhere. ~ [[User:QtheC|QtheC]] 08:15, 24 June 2007 (CDT)

::So wait, let me get this straight...you wait for eight days, to attack a sentence in a post that's almost three weeks old, over a fact that was clearly introduced with "chosen randomly, not a personal attack"?
::Riiiiiight. Were you bored, or just in an aggressive mood?
::Everybody else got fine that it was an example to illustrate the issues with noteworthyness we have here, and the fact that you can only fight it by dragging it down to a personal level and attacking my credibility just proves to me that I raised an undisputable point; you may not like it, but fact is: In all probability, said "Linsy" adds nothing to the Breeniverse.
::Yes, it is nice to have devoted fans, and yes, the fan interaction in and with this series is great - but that does not automatically mean that the official encyclopedia has to include every single video by every user that slightly, remotely connects to the topic. I have nothing against including notable fans on LGPedia. If a video series gained a big viewership, like the several Cassies or HSAO, or some of the OpAphid analyzation vids, fine, include them - they ''are'' important to the community around the series, and, as such, important to the series.

::But, no matter how arrogant you'd like to interpret this, ''reality'' is: The latest vid of that "Linsy" person has 71 views. It has a page with nothing but a sidebar, and it's a shaky video of her or her character's birthday "partay". Okay. Typical YouTube content. Fine to be online. But why the hell does it have to be on LGPedia? Is it of great importance to the canon? Nope, she's not canon. Is it of great importance to the fandom? Nope, it's had 70 views before I just clicked. Is it an exceptionally well-crafted page? Nope, it's one line with a sidebar.
::She may be a nice person, and her videos might even be funny - but, as of this moment, there is nothing exceptionally significant or notable about them that'd require us to list it here. And the positive effect of having ''everything'' listed gets outweighted by the negative effect of having ''almost everything'' look like crap.

::Even if you wish to list each and every tiny little fanvid, what's the use of listing them if their page says nothing? Let's say we let that page stay as it is. What is the great advantage gained by users through this? Is it that, of nineteen videos existing, only four are listed? Or that, of these four, one fourth doesn't have a transcript? Or that they can read a transcript at all?
::Who is, realistically, going to read a transcript of some girl's fanfic blog?

::You can call me arrogant all you want, whoever lives in reality sees I'm not trying to belittle that girl, but to be realistic. It is great she's active in the community, and it takes a great deal of courage to tape a video and put it out there for everyone to see. But the fact that she's a fan with a video alone doesn't make her or her video significant enough to be put up on the official site next to the information on official videos.
::We should focus on information important to the Breeniverse and the fandom. And some girl's birthday party, as nice as she may be, just has nothing to do with. The maximum effect that page will have on unintroduced users will be that they wonder how she is tied into the series, and get all confused.
::'''Added to reply to addition''':
::That may be a nice idea, but the problem is, would care for the twigs and orphans. We'd have hundreds of unmaintained pages laying around, building a "cloud of crap", so to speak, around the important entries. If someone maintained these pages, it'd be a different issue...but people won't. You can hope and dream all you want, a "lowly" fanfic-video-page just isn't gonna get the same editorial attention as an official video page.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:12, 24 June 2007 (CDT) '''[Editing conflict resolved]'''
::<small>And for the record, thanks to the new sidebar on recent changes, silent deletions are almost impossible now - unless someone disregards all procedures.</small>

::: This was the most idiotic dispute in the history of the Wiki. Just saying! --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:09, 1 July 2007 (CDT)

== "Have your say" page ==

I just had a read of the problems mentioned above (deletions etc.) and thought of an idea that might be of help to both this and other problems that arise from "normal users" scanning the last 50 recent changes to see what has been happening (thereby missing out when there have been lots more changes since they last logged in). I would propose having a LGPedia:Have your say page listed on the right hand column, perhaps under the "Recent changes". This page would then have links to all current discussions and votes that users may be unaware are going on at all, e.g. pic/caption votes, redesign comments, delete-tagged pages. This may help getting more people involved in decisions than at present (because they wouldn't necessarily be logging in as frequently as an admin, nor would they be visiting the various log pages that we know about). In addition, the delete period between tagging and deleting should be increased to 2 weeks (except where an admin is just rectifying a mistake).

This may not completely avoid the situation with deleted templates mentioned above, but if in addition we admins think twice in future before nominating something unused for deletion than that's probably all else we can do.

Having said that, as both [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] and [[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] have respectively pointed out, it is neither a big deal leaving pages that are unused alone until they become useful again, nor accepting that some pages which are deleted through lack of feedback can be restored afterwards. Let us not get heated about this either way. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:27, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

:I like that idea very much, Psmith. Renegade proposed something similar on [[Template talk:HoverTOC]], but I think this would work better. I think people see that column a lot and "Have your say" if a very self-explanatory phrase that should hopefully draw people in to have their say about things. We would have to make sure to keep this page updated or it wouldn't work, but if we can do that, then I think it should work great. As far as extending the deletion period from 1 week to 2, it really doesn't make a difference to me. If people think this would help solve problems with deletions, then I'm all for it. I'd love to hear others' opinions on both of these issues, so please feel free to pipe in with your support or objections.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 12:22, 9 June 2007 (CDT)
::[[Special:Recentchanges|BEHOLD]] what Zoey and I crafted together!
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:07, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Wow! [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 12:45, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

== Addition of KateModern to LGPedia ==

Hi everyone. [[Miles Beckett|Miles]] has requested via email that we make some changes to LGPedia to prepare for [[KateModern]]'s premiere later this month. The details are included in his email which I have included here:

{{quote|Miles|
As you know, KateModern is launching soon and I'd like to give you some information so you can revise the LGPedia accordingly. In our minds, the framework is as follows:

#LG15 is the Universe that includes lonelygirl15 and KateModern and future shows (The LGPedia should track the entire LG15 Universe)
#lonelygirl15 is the US show with the characters we all know and love
#KateModern is the UK show with a new cast and plot

We are redesigning the website to make the interface cleaner and also to display both shows. We're going to provide a link on the lonelygirl15 show page that goes to a lonelygirl15 "portal" in the LGPedia that would look similar to the current homepage of LGPedia. Similarly, we'll provide a link on the KateModern show page that goes to a KateModern "portal in the LGPedia that would look similar to the current homepage but would be all KateModern specific stuff. LGPedia would therefore need a new homepage that would provide links to these sub-page portals for each show, and a lot of the information that is already on the homepage since alot of this is more about the LG15 Universe.

Does that makes sense? I wanted to give you a heads up since KateModern launches in mid-July and we'd love if LGPedia was up to date by then. Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks!

Miles}}

My own thoughts on the issue are to not do anything too drastic until we reach a decision about what should be done and it all seems feasible. It looks like we'll need to create [[Portal:Lonelygirl15]] and [[Portal:KateModern]] (or names similar to these) as well as resurrect [[Main Page/redesign]]. I think a good goal would be to try to get this all done within about a week or so that it will be ready for the launch of KateModern. If anyone has any questions for Miles, feel free to post them here or on [[User talk:Jonpro|my talk page]] and I can send them on to him.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:54, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

:Hm, wow, this is definately a massive project. Maybe it would be best to have a ''really'' basic homepage that says something like "Chose Your Destination" with links to both of the girls and that be it? Or something very similarly simple. Maybe we can just keep the LG frontpage the same and make a copycat for KM with the links and stuff she needs. I'm kind of confused about how to determine what would be used for both though. I mean, it's not going to take place in [[Bree's bedroom]] or anything, is it? Where do we draw the line for what is LG15 and what is LG15 Universe? Hm, also I guess we could make like.. top categories to help make things easier to classify? Like a Category:KateModern, Category:Lonelygirl15, and a Category:Breeniverse (that contains stuff for both worlds?). I don't know, like I said, I'm having a hard time comprehending just how much of an overlap there will be, so its kind of hard to figure where to draw the line, but those were my intial thoughts at the idea. Let me know what you think...! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:03, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

:::::Zoey I totally agree - I think we should have a splash page, if you will, for the 'pedias. On the front page can be something simple, Kate -enter- and LG -enter- or however you want to present them. This page can be the "fancy" page, if we want, and it can look really good, and different from the 'pedia now if we're looking for something fresh. But the pedia works REALLY well set up as it is. I don't think changing it is a good idea. Not overall. As for the sharing sections, I think that we should just stick to having articles that are accessible to both pedias through common links. Don't get into three different pedias. Asking for trouble, that. Just stick to two pedias outlining two storylines, and the common lines between them will take care of themselves. [[User:MarlaSinger|MarlaSinger]] 17:42, 6 July 2007 (EST)

::I was wondering the same thing about the amount of overlap. If there really isn't going to be any interaction between the series, it makes sense to basically have two sections to the site, kind of like you're saying. I went ahead and sent Miles an email asking him how much overlap there will be, so I'll be sure to let you guys know what he says when I get a response.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:46, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

:::Okay, I got an email back from Miles and here it is (I think it's easier to just copy/paste than try to explain it in my own words):

:::{{quote|Miles|The characters "can" communicate with each other but it remains to be seen how much they will. Things like the Order, the Hymn of One, and all of that larger mythology will be in both series to varying degrees. Think of it like, the Order, HOO, the stuff about the blood, the girls, the Elders, etc. etc. are all the same across both shows. But, the characters and plot are different. Happy to answer any other questions. Thanks!}}

:::So I don't think we should try to "split up" LGPedia into two sections or anything, but I think we should definitely do something with the categories like Zoey suggested. Maybe we can go through and add "Category:Lonelygirl15" to at least some (maybe all?) of the pages here, and then start adding "Category:KateModern" to the pages that we create for the KM characters, locations, videos, etc. Other than that, it'd probably be a good idea to focus our energy on the "portal" pages and the Main Page. I think we have a lot of options for the Main Page, and it'd be nice to see something more than just a link to the two "portal" pages. A few ideas I can think of are:
:::#Split the Main Page right down the middle with LG15 stuff on one side and KM stuff on the other side.
:::#Keep the page looking a lot like we have it but add links to KM things as they happen. In other words, update the video list with videos from both series, add links to KM pages to the links list on the left, etc.
:::#Remove all "series-specific" information from the Main Page and put it in the lonelygirl15 portal page. The Main Page would then be about the LG15 universe in general so LG and KM followers could both find only useful information.
:::Now, for all of these, there would still exist the "portal" pages to get more detailed pages about the specific series. I really don't know what's best, and I'd love to hear peoples' thoughts about these ideas and/or other ideas for what to do here. Thanks!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:00, 4 July 2007 (CDT)
:I don't like the "splitting" simply becuase that'd be a little confusing, IMO. Again, I'm relatively new to wiki-editing, so if what I'm saying doesn't make sense, forgive me. But since it appears that the two shows will interact in ''some'' way, it seems reasonable for now if we simply keep the main page "as is" for the most part but under the "Breenverse" section we simply create two sections: "Lonelygirl15" & "KateModern." (everything currently under there would fit nicely into "Lonelygirl15"). With that huge list redesigned into a list of two, we'd have room to add any KM characters under the current LG15 characters (possibly with a different color to their names, i.e. not blue). Behind the Scenes, Site Features, and Unofficial Spinoffs would remain the same, I imagine. What'd be really cool if we could have the "LG15" in the corner to change to KM whenever you landed on a KM page (again, not sure if that's even doable, but I think itd be cool). Those are my thoughts for now . . . hope what I said didn't sound crazy. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 09:30, 5 July 2007 (CDT)
::Hmm... I was reading through this and I got an idea about splitting up the homepage but keeping all the stuff currently on it. Here's my idea: Move the "latest developments to the left side in between the ENCYCLOPEDIA (which we could change to read "LONELYGIRL15") and the Featured Article. Then, on the right create a "clone" of the left dealing with Kate Modern... I dunno. What do you guys think? -- [[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:20 6 July 2007 (EST)

::: I love this big picture, how do we organize everything sort of stuff. Almost makes me wish I were still around more, but I've been having so much fun at the {{Wikipedia|User:JayHenry|mothership}} that I rarely make it back here (and if any of you are ever looking to get more involved at the mothership, let me know, I'd love to help you find a niche!) So, as I understand it, KateModern will exist entirely within the same [[Breeniverse|universe]] but, just like real teenagers in L.A. and London, they will have little interaction, their lives will not affect each other much -- just like if a guy named Wixy gets some girl pregnant in London; Jay's life in, uh..., Miami, will be unaffected. Similarly, Wixy's bedroom ''exists'' in my universe, but it has no relevance to me whatsoever.
::: I think ideally you'd have Kate and LG15 latest video sections both on the main page somehow. For an idea like the portals, it might be best to have a [[template:Latest LG15 updates]] and a [[template:Latest KM updates]] and have both templates be transcluded on the Main Page and then one each on [[Portal:Lonelygirl15]] and [[Portal:KateModern]] respectively. That'd reduce the amount of redundant work, but I'll admit, I don't have a good idea for how to design the main page with two latest video sections.
::: Just some suggestions as I won't be around to implement any of it. I hope KateModern is a success, it'd be nice to have my interest restored, especially now that {{Wikipedia|Prom_Queen_(internet_series)|Prom Queen}} is over. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:09, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
::::Ugh, all you admins are abandoning me! I feel so alooonee </emo>. Haha well, either way it's nice to hear from you Jay... hopefully you'll be around a bit more... maybe? Your ideas sound good.. I'm just so confused about how to impliment them. I guess I'm still trying to wrap my head fully around what we're trying to do, so it's hard to figure out the best way to do it. It sounds like you've got some good ideas though (< To Everyone) and I'm anxious to see what kinds of things people come up with. As for right now, I think I'll just keep reading everyone's ideas until something sparks me.. or someone else, you know, figures it all out. I also made a post on the LGBlogspot directing people to this page, so who knows, we may get some new, fresh contributions soon! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:37, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:::::I like Jay's idea about using the templates. I will ''try'' to get that done later today if no one else gets it done first, but no promises. I'll also try to get some sample portal pages up today or tomorrow so that we have something to start with and maybe then it will be easier to work from there. As an aside, I really do feel bad about not being here as much, Zoey, but the demands of life are simply making it difficult. I think you're doing a great job considering we all did pretty much abandon you. Oh, by the way, has anyone heard from OiC recently?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 07:30, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

::::::Lol yeah, I know. Stupid "real life" taking all the fellow admins away from me! Hrmph! OIC was in the IRC chat the other night, she said she'd be on again soon.. but I haven't seen her since! And thanks! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 19:21, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:I think we should wait and see how KateModern is received before doing much - if it flops in the first week, there's no use redesigning half the encyclopedia.
:After all, LG15 was kind of new back in the day - by now, KateModern is just another internet series.
:(And given how the Creators failed to vary the plot arcs within ''one'' series already, I can very well see how people might recognize this as "Lonelygirl15 UK" and get bored because it's the same thing with different characters.)

:So, as said, I advocate waiting.
:But if you ''don't'' want to wait, I suggest replacing the "Encyclopedia" box on the main page with one LG15-specific and one KM-specific block, while updating the video-list with vids of both series.
:Splitting the page in half by series would look terrible.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:09, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:Lets see, they are in the same universe, lets see, fan fic is gonna blur the line faster then u can say wiki --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 11:36, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
::True. The acrowleyorder series has already made references to KateModern, and I'm sure about 50 will follow. Maybe it would be best to divide into three sections instead of Two (One being fanfiction) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:23 6 July 2007 (EST)

Simple solution:
1) on the left you have character pixs: the new page would have character pixs for both shows
2) below that you have Breeniverse which would stay the same but....
3) each of the items such as Characters would have an LG page and a Kate page (eg characters -lg15 and characters kate, locations-lg15, locations-kate etc (those can grow organically as needed as did the original pedia)
4) then on the right under latest developments videos for both series would be posted as they occur
--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 12:30, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:One thing I just realized: We can't include the KateModern Videos on the same list as the LG15 videos because of the way the number formatting works. KateModern Episode #1 would show up as LG15 Episode #230 or something. I like the merging of the "latest updates" but we should have separate video lists to avoid this problem (ex: two links at the bottom of the latest updates: List of all LG15 videos... and List of all KM videos... --[[User:FH14|FH14]]
::Well, they say that the KM vids will be appearing on the LG15 homepage (after appearing on Bebo). If they happen to end up in the same official videolist, then I guess that won't be a problem, FH14. But if they end up elsewhere? Oy. Is there a chance to simply keep the LG video count going, but have the KM videos under KM1, KM2, etc? Again, not sure if that's even wiki-possible, but that's my spiel. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 13:16, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

::I did some concepting, please state your opinion on [http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mainpageredesignok8.png this], everybody.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 14:32, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
:::I like it. although the Taylor overlap may be a problem. maybe if the info/video boxes were a bit wider? That would also allow more room if there are more than three main characters in KateModern. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 16:10 6 July 2007 (EST)
::::That layout is 850px wide. We need around 155px for the menu, which brings us to 1005px. That's the very, very maximum for a 1024x768px resolution. So I fear wider is not an option.
::::In a worst case scenario, we'll have to split and wrap the the image rows in the middle of the layout.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:16, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::Are you sure? The current homepage looks wider than the design to me. Of course, when it comes to pixels I'm clueless, so I may be wrong [[User:FH14|FH14]] 16:23 6 July 2007 (EST)
:::Renegade, can you do a design where the Encyclopedia box is split in half horizontally and the rest of the page looking relatively the same? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:45, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

Ok I know i haven't been around very much lately, but I'm still as opinionated as ever. I think Miles has totally the wrong idea how to structure the website. I think the loneleygirl15, should remain the site for the story about Bree , Katemodern should have It's own domain name. what we are currently calling the Breeniverse needs to have a name that isn't Breecentric, but encompasses KateModern the Order the HymnOfone etc. for the sake of clarity for the moment I'll call it the Dendraverse, though it probnably won't be called that. so this is how I would structure it Dendarverse.com will have have all the meta info about the Dandraverse and be a portal to lonleygirl15.com katemodern.co.uk (or whatever it's called), Hymnofone.org, and any other website within the Dendraverse. it will also have contain the dendraforums which will contain the currentl lonleygirl15 forums, the KateModern, forums. the Dendraverse Fanfic forums, etc. and it will also contain. it will also contain the Dendrapedia. The dendrapedia use the current Wkik, but will have a new main page which acts as a portal into will have a new main page which is a portal into LGpedia, KMPedia, FanficPedia, etc, the current main page will be moved to a new article called LGpedia, and function much the same way as the Aphidpedia page currently does. Similarly we will have an article called KMPedia that looks much the same but used a perhaps a Red color scheme. Except for the Home page all the domain names will operate synonymously using the same Forum and WiKi directories. I hope I explained myself clearly, the idea is pretty straightforward but I'm not sure I communicated it well. I do think this is the most logical way to go. --[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:15, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
:I'm sorry, Misty, but I disagree. I think that if there were two separate websites - lonelygirl15.com and katemodern.com - it would ruin the show. Some (but only a few) fans don't even know about KateModern yet, and if they had to go to katemodern.com to view it, then they would not know! And they would be missing out on a whole "sequel"-ish spin-off to lonelygirl15. And what you said about the Breeniverse not being so Bree-esque, I can understand that. However, I think Miles gave us basically a solution to that problem. Instead of the Breeniverse, we call it the LG15 Universe. Then again, that's still lonelygirl15-esque, but you get the point. We could do the Orderverse, the Hymn of One Universe... I don't know. It's the only way that seems possible to me. Making another whole website, katemodern.com, just seems to complicated to me. Plus making a whole wiki, KMPedia... it would seem so small compared to the LGPedia. My suggestion is that the '''Main Page would be very simple. The centered words "Choose Your Destination" with two arrows pointing to a picture of Bree, with the words "lonelygirl15" under it, and a picture of Kate, with the words "KateModern" under it.''' Then, the picture of Bree would redirect to our current Main Page. The picture of Kate would redirect to a KateModern-esque Main Page. Sure, we'd have to change a few things, like maybe the name of Lucy's Balcony, or the link to the List of Videos on the side. We could have a link to the List of LG15 Videos, and a link to the List of KM Videos. It just seems like lonelygirl15.com is where lonelygirl15 was born, and it should be where KateModern was born. Miles even said that they were in the process of redesigning lonelygirl15.com so that you can view both shows on it. I say we keep the name LGPedia, unless something major comes up, like a complete separation of lonelygirl15 from KateModern. [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 09:40, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

::Obviousley you didn't understand what I was saying because you are suggesting the same structure. you are just saying that it shoulod all be under the name all under the LG15 name, and that's the point I was objecting to. If you read what i said I wasn't suggesting creating other websites or a new WKI. I was sugessting Creating New domain names. a website can have 1000 domain names if you want. and KMPedia isn't a separate wiki is just a separate article. what I'm saying is that CONCEPTUALLY KM doesn't belong Under LG15, but KM and LG15 belong side by side Under the umbrella of a greater Universe. I called it the the Dendraverse in my example, but could have a different name. but it shouldn't be called the the LG15 universe, because LG15 is Bree eventually Bree will be gone, and if you try to separate LG15 from Bree then it has no meaning. so calling it the LG15 universe makes as much sense as calling it the CMJ24 universe. techincally what i propsed just means moving a few pages and creating a few links. -03:49, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

For whomever is desiging the pages, we now have a few images of Kate, thanks to her Bebo profile.
[[Image:KateModern Cast.jpg|thumb|110px|left]] [[Image:KateModern1.jpg|thumb|110px|left]] [[Image:KateModern2.jpg|thumb|110px|left]] [[Image:KateModern3.jpg|thumb|110px|left]] [[Image:KateModern4.jpg|thumb|110px|left]]{{Clr}}
--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:48, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

I have to confess i haven't read all the comments her yet, but it seems the easiest and most efficient way to implement miles' directive is to create a main page for kate modern. the main page for the lgpedia and kmpedia (or whatever it gets called) should both include a prominent link to the other. lonelygirl15.com/kmpedia (or whatever its called) she be made sure to redirect (by their webguys, this isn't a wiki thing) to the kmpedia main page. the kmpedia page is not going to have a lot to start, but i would get it in place and go from there. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 00:12, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

: ok, whizzes get to work?!! i think the red color of kate's bebo profile should be used in instead of the lgpedia blue? http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Kmpedia --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 00:26, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
::I played with the new page just a bit, as I know little-to-nothing about the wikicodes and didn't want to mess everything up --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:49, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::Okay, I took it a little further. We clearly need someone to get the colors looking right.. and we need to crop the images of the cast to the proper size. I didn't really know what to put in the Encyclopedia/Important Links yet, so I just kind of listed some LG pages I thought might be useful. If someone could find like.. Kate's BeBo, or anything else you think would be more important/better suited there, I think it would be great! But generally speaking, I think it's a good start. What do y'all think? (Or are we better going with a layout more similar to [[AphidPedia]]?) Okay, thoughts please! I'm off to bed! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:20, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
::::If we're going to have a seperate KMPedia anyway, I'll try to design something that is like Miles wanted - Two portals and a general universe news main page.
::::I'll update pages when I'm done, and expect your opinions afterwards.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:32, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::Cool I was Planning on working on it a little tomorrow, but i think I'll wait till you get started and I'll help you refine it. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 03:49, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
::::::It's looking much better already! The show debuts on July 16 per the article in today's Sunday Times (UK) (posted at lg15today) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 08:14, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::::Misty, about what you said about the "LG15 Universe." Miles clearly stated in his first quote that the LG15 Universe is the universe that encompasses [[lonelygirl15]] ''and'' [[KateModern]]. I am sorry about not understanding your post. I completely agree with that. I've been thinking, particularly about what Miles wanted, and this is what I've come up with. The C's will do whatever they want with the main lonelygirl15.com page, but they did say that both shows will be viewable from it, and that they would have a link to the lonelygirl15 portal, and the KateModern portal. I think that the KMPedia page right now should actually be the KateModern portal. And that the Main Page right now should be moved to some other name, and it will be the lonelygirl15 portal. The Main Page should be, as Renegade said, a "general universe news main page." I think that that should be on the bottom half of the page, and the "Choose Your Destination" with links to both the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal will be at the top. I think that maybe we should delete more fan fiction pages (it's overwhelming how much there is) so that we have more room on the wiki for KateModern pages. Those are just my thoughts. Thanks, <span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">  '''•Silver•'''  </font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 10:40, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
Hey guys. I think that the previous comment is accurate. Regardless of the past meanings of things. Here's the current dealio. LG15 is the Universe (HOO, The Order, Watchers, Ceremony Girls, etc.) and there are currently two shows running in that Universe: lonelygirl15 and KateModern. The LGPedia should encompass the whole LG15 Universe and should reflect that on the front page. Things like the video list, cast list, production list, etc. are all SHOW SPECIFIC and would be on those show pages. So, the current LGPedia front page is almost what each of the show pages (lonelygirl15 and KateModern) should look like (but with different logos and color schemes... will get you those soon). IN FACT, you could use that "show template" for the fan created shows as well... but obviously house them in some "fan section" that comes off the new LG15 Universe front page of LGPedia. Things like active shows, "Latest Developments in the LG15 Universe" (like you already have running along the right) could stay on the new portal (maybe you associate a Show Logo and color backdrop kinda like what you are currently doing for the different bloggers who post a video... with each "update" so it's clear which updates come from KM and which come from lonelygirl15). The index to the left would change (since cast, crew, etc. is a show specific thing). Make sense? Thanks everyone!!!!! Miles [[User:Admin|Admin]] 12:13, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

:So what you're saying, Miles, is that we still have the "portal" type of page that we have for lonelygirl15 on the Main Page, except it would be the LG15 Universe Portal. With links to the lonelygirl15 portal (the current Main Page) and the KateModern portal ([[KMPedia]]). Thanks, Miles! [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 13:35, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

::Essentially, yes. With the caveat that right now the current Main Page has "LG15 Universe" stuff that wouldn't be on the new lonelygirl15 and definitely should be on the new LG15 Main Page. Ditto for the KateModern portal that is evolving on KMPedia. Hope that's clear. Thanks everyone. I am constantly amazed, honoured, and inspired by how much you all love this Universe I created and how much time you spend caring for and developing the LGPedia. THANKS! Miles. [[User:Admin|Admin]] 17:02, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

:::Miles, (And everyone else, I'd love EVERYONES feedback), I went ahead on my sandbox page and tried to create what ''I'' thought you were asking for. [[User:Zoey/sandbox]] has the main page and [[User:Zoey/sandbox/Portal:LGPedia]] is the LGPedia portal while [[User:Zoey/sandbox/Portal:KMPedia]] is the KMPedia portal. Obviously the pages are highly messy at the moment, and could use a good cleanup (I don't pretend to be the best at Wiki-coding, so maybe someone else could come in and give the pages a spruce.), but basically I tried to create what you were asking for, at least as a staring point. I'm not sure whether this is the best idea, or whether we should stick with our current mainpage and just create a prominent link to the KMPedia page and just.. repeat links that apply to both, but I did want to get this up so people could see what they thought. Hopefully this is what you were asking for, and I'd love feedback/suggestions for more links or anything else you thought the pages needed. For now, I'm going to go rest my eyes for a bit -- I've been staring at this wiki for FAR too long :) Good luck with the launch of Kate coming up, and hope to hear your thoughts (and everyone else's!) soon! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:58, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

::::Zoey, I'm positive that's what Miles is asking for. Nice starting point! I think that the main page should still say "Welcome to the LGPedia," but the LG15 Portal should say "Welcome to the LG15 Portal" and the KM Portal should say "Welcome to the KM Portal," or something similar to that. Nice starting point, though! However, I think the LG15 Universe Portal that you did was kinda iffy. I think that you should have a big "Choose Your Destination" and then there would be the pictures of Bree and Kate. But otherwise, Zoey, great job! <span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">  '''•Silver•'''  </font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 10:12, 9 July 2007 (CDT)
::::Zoey, I also agree that your latest sandbox concepts are what we are looking for. The new terminology seems to be LG15 = universe, lonelygirl15 and KateModern = shows within the universe... therefore the parent "Universe Portal" has links to each child "Show Portal". Each show portal has links to cast/crew/episodes etc. Once the full set of portals are set up, I am sure everyone will refine and evolve the design to make it better. And Zoey, sorry I haven't been around to help out more (blame "stupid real life"). [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 16:07, 9 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::Okay, I recently e-mailed Miles and he said that he would prefer if we use cast photos instead of photos of the lead actresses for the portals, but other than that, I generally think we're set. He also said he thinks it would be neat if the portal page was more "dynamic" but I asked for further clarification on that, I am waiting for a reply. As soon as I get cast photos up though, I think I am going to go ahead and make the pages live, if there are no objections. It seems like I have made the pages in a way that pleases everybody (hopefully?? well, maybe not ''everybody'', but yes hopefully ''enough''.) If anyone knows where I can get some recent cast photos that I can at least use as a stand-in, that would be great. Thanks to everyone for your opinions and ideas, and if you have any more thoughts, please post 'em! And PSmith, ugh, more "real life" excuses! Harumph! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:16, 9 July 2007 (CDT)
::::::So, since instead of a picture of Bree and a picture of Kate, I assume we can use [[Image:Human Ransom.jpg]] for [[lonelygirl15]] and [[Image:KateModern cast.jpg]] for [[KateModern]]. [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 15:12, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

== Browser neutrality or Official Browser ==

Ok there are some pages ( like the list of videos page ), that have significant differences when rendered in different browsers, and currently anyone can just edit to make the page look good in there own browser, and things don't look quite right in other browsers. I think we need a standard, either we enforce "Browser Neutrality", by not allowing any page design that doesn't look '''as good''' in all Browsers, or we declare one Browser the official Browser, and all pages are '''optimized''' to look best in that Browser, ''' but must still look reasonble in all browsers'''. Realistically there are only 3 Browsers, that we need to concern ourselves with Safari (Webkit), Firefox (Gecko) and Internet Explorer (Trident), since every other Browser uses the same rendering engine as one of them. all of them have pros and cons:

Safari (Webkit) -
*Pros: Renders fonts better than any other Browser, most compliant to WC3 web standards.
*Cons: Windows version is still Beta,
*Other Webkit Browsers: OmniWeb, Swift, Sunrise, Midori, Shiira, Konqueror

Internet Explorer (Trident)
*Pros: Largest market share,
*Cons- Ignores WC3 standards, renders poorly
*Other Trident Browsers: AOL Explorer,Avant, Maxthon

FireFox (Gecko)
*Pros: Good WC3 compliance, best cross-platform support.
*Cons: inconsistent line spacing, adding extra pixels to object heights.
*Other Gecko Browsers: Netscape,Seamonkey, Camino, Galleon, Epiphany, K-Meleon, Flock
. --[[User:Misty|misty]] 14:03, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

:::'''Vote Tally'''
''Browser Neutrality''
# Support Enforced Browser Neutrality
## [[User:Zoey|Zoey]]
## [[User:Misty|Misty]]
## [[User:Modelmotion|Modelmotion]]
## [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]]
# Opposed of enforced Browser Neutrality
## [[User:Renegade|Renegade]]
''Official Browser''
# Support Firefox as the Official Browser
## [[User:Renegade|Renegade]]
# Support Safari as the Official Browser
## [[User:Misty|Misty]]
# Support IE as the Official Browser

<br>

:Didn't we reduce the render-difference to different line heights in List of Videos? At least that's the only significant difference I remember and see...
:Of course I'd love Firefox to become the official browser, but unless that happens, I'd prefer neutrality - 'cause I sure as hell won't develop on IE, and I'm not gonna install that buggy apple thing on my machine.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:14, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
:Personally, I vote for browser-neutrality. As web developers, you want your pages to look nice for everyone who views them, not force your viewers to use a certain browser or "tough luck guys". Plus, with something as widely viewed as the LGPedia, I think it's fair to say no matter what browser would be chosen as "official", there will be a LARGE number of viewers who do not use that. So yes, I vote for neutrality. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:52, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
::Ok well if we for browser neutrality the list of videos page need another redesign, sinse the montage to list alignment breaks browser neutrality. so no pages can be designed to need vertical alignment of independent objects. So it looks like so far everyone is agreeable to browser neutrality, I say that if there are no objections by midnight July 10, that we make that official policy, and add it to the style guide -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 02:33, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

:::I think different line height is close enough to not count as "differently looking".
:::After all, the only thing different is how far down the montage extends.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:32, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::: Yes it certainly counts , in fact that is the ''main issue'' for this whole discussion. We either declare Firefox safari or IE as the official Browser, and align it for that; or we declare Browser Neutrality and the page gets redesigned so vertical alignment doesn't matter. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 03:59, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::If you decide to redesign a perfectly fine layout just because the lines are a little more spaced in one browser, you're doing that alone, missy. :P
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 04:27, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::: That sounds like a vote againsts enforced browser neutrality. Ok so that things don't get confused I'm going to put a vote tally: Please ad or edit your vote appropriately. -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 11:42, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
::I use all the main browsers with the excepetion of IE (but including Safari and Firefox). As long as pages are readable on a mac I am happy, but please dont make this a mac vs pc issue.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 19:50, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:I'm mainly an IE user, but I've also use FireFox as well. I think the best way to go is browser neutrality, since it wouldn't be right to force a certain browser on others. As for that videolist montage, its unmatched with the latest vids from an IE view, but hey, I'm used to it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:43, 9 July 2007 (CDT)
::no one is talking about forcing people to use a particular browser, having an official browser means that pages '''that render differently''' in different browser must optimized for that browser. Currently the list of videos is the page that most renders differently, so saying "I support enforcing browser neutrality, but I don't care about the list of videos" is saying "I don't support enforced browser neutrality". So then we have to pick a browser to '''optimize the list of videos for ''', that's why we would need an official browser. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:56, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

Template talk:Person

2007-07-10T15:22:20Z

72.77.92.54: /* Purchase info */

== style and such ==

I like the visual look of the templates that LB15 made, and it might be nice to adopt that here. I'm not that skilled, though.

Also, there may be other information that ought to be included in the template? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 12:30, 15 November 2006 (PST)

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|+ <font color=white><big>'''{{PAGENAME}}'''</big></font>
|-
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|- valign=top
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|- valign=top
! Birthday
|{{#if: {{{birthday|}}} | {{{birthday}}} | unknown}}{{#if: {{{youtube|}}} | <br>
{{!}}- valign=top
! YouTube
{{!}} [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user={{{youtube}}} {{{youtube}}}] |}}{{#if: {{{revver|}}} | <br>
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{{!}} [http://one.revver.com/account/show/{{{revver}}} {{{revver}}}] |}}{{#if: {{{myspace|}}} | <br>
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Well, I was playing with color schemes and stuff. Unfortunately, the curving only works in Firefox and this design looks really ugly in Internet Explore. Right now it's a table inside a box which is a lot of the problem. Why it's not necessarily centered correctly, etc. I'll play with it more later... I was also thinking it might be cool to incorporate the colors from the [[template:init]] into the boxes. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:51, 2 March 2007 (CST)

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==Other Style==
<div style="width:220px;float:right;clear:right;margin:1em 0 1em 1em;border:1px solid DeepPink;background:#f5faff;-moz-border-radius:10px;padding:10px 10px 10px 10px;">
<div style="text-align:center;font-size:16px;font-weight:900;line-height:1.5em;"><font color=#535353>Bree</font>
</div>
<center>[[Image:Longitude9.jpg|200px]]</center>
<div style="clear:left;font-size:10px;text-align:center;">
<div style="width:110px;float:left;">First Appearance</div>
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<div style="width:110px;float:left;clear:left;border-top:1px solid #B5B7CF;">
[[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]]</div>
<div style="width:110px;float:left;border-top:1px solid #B5B7CF;">[[What The Hell?!??!]]</div>
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<div style="clear:left;font-size:10px;text-align:center;border-top:2px solid DeepPink;">
<div style="width:65px;float:left;text-align:left;">Age</div>
<div style="width:155px;float:left;text-align:right;">17</div>
</div>
<div style="clear:left;font-size:10px;text-align:center;border-top:1px solid #535353;">
<div style="width:65px;float:left;text-align:left;">MySpace</div>
<div style="width:155px;float:left;text-align:right;">[http://www.myspace.com/lonelygurl15 lonelygurl15]</div>
</div>
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<div style="width:65px;float:left;text-align:left;">Youtube</div>
<div style="width:155px;float:left;text-align:right;">[http://www.youtube.com/lonelygirl15 lonelygirl15]</div>
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<div style="width:65px;float:left;text-align:left;">Revver</div>
<div style="width:155px;float:left;text-align:right;">[http://www.revver.com/lonelygirl15 lonelygirl15]</div>
</div>
<div style="clear:left;font-size:10px;text-align:center;border-top:1px solid #535353;">
<div style="width:65px;float:left;text-align:left;">Birthday</div>
<div style="width:155px;float:left;text-align:right;">October 26, 1989</div>
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<div style="width:65px;float:left;text-align:left;">Portrayed by</div>
<div style="width:155px;float:left;text-align:right;">[[Jessica Lee Rose]]</div>
</div>
</div>

Or this is an option? Based off those old character templates. It wouldn't take too long to make it conditional, make colors a variable, etc.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 18:31, 2 March 2007 (CST)

:If you can do it, I say go for it. It deosn't look nearly as nice on IE, but it doesn't suck, either. I suggest leaving off "Last appearance" though. Especially with a twisted story like this one I doubt that even seeing a character killed would mean no chance of ever seeing them again. In the case of Bree, we're going to have to update it pretty much every time a new video is posted. Also, do we need the name on there twice? <span style="color:Blue">'''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])'''''</span> 18:41, 2 March 2007 (CST)

::I like it smaller. I took out the second appearance of the name. Good catch. Bree, Jonas and Daniel would have to be updated at almost every video. So it sort of becomes a question of... does someone remember to update character pages after each video? We could write a reminder in the template, because I think it's a useful feature that provides a neat visual element to the template. If we think it won't get updated, or is too much a hassle, I'd like to find something else that could go there. [[:Category:Bree's blogs|List of Bree's vlogs]] should go on the template somewhere. Anything else?? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 19:00, 2 March 2007 (CST)
I think I said it before, but I really think "Last appearance" is more trouble than it's worth. If everyone else doesn't mind updating Jonas's page every time a new video comes out, then so be it... <span style="color:Blue">'''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])'''''</span> 01:31, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

:Hmm, I'm with you. Maybe it could just say "ongoing" or something for characters still appearing regularly.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:00, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

::I don't really see that it's a significant burden to make a quick edit to the character pages. It only takes about 15 seconds a video to make the updates. If there were an issue of the pages not getting updated, I could see the concern. But so far myself and others have been good about doing it quickly. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:17, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

== Name/YouTube ==

Okay, I get it, but not every blogger has a [[YouTube]] account either. I changed it because the box on [[Soccerstar]] didn't include the category line because she only has a [[Revver]] account. I didn't realize that also created erroneous categories on other pages. Is there a way to have it display the category if EITHER the youtube or revver fields is present? I think that would fix our problem.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 11:31, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

== move to Template:Person ==

Just like we Moved Blog4 to Blog, we should Move Person2 to Person.
I'd be willing to do the work if everyone agrees on it. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 12:34, 27 April 2007 (CDT)

:Sounds fine to me. But before we do, we need to make sure it won't break any pages that are using {{tl|Person}} right now. I don't think there's a significant difference between the two though, so that's not too big of an issue.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:11, 27 April 2007 (CDT)

:: This is causing a lot of problems, more than just the soccer star one pointed out above. We need to check the pages with problems, and figure out what all needs fixed. [[Itscassie]]'s is bad. Which other ones aren't working? Should be easy fixes. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 14:51, 27 April 2007 (CDT)
::: the only problem I saw with itscassie was with the last video, I went through all the pages that used the old person template and fixed that problem -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:16, 27 April 2007 (CDT)

:::: Well, I was referring to the link to "Category:Cassie ("itscassie")'s blogs" which obviously doesn't exist. Actually, I'm not really sure it's a good idea to use this template for fan-fic characters in the first place. The template really should not be used on user pages either. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:23, 27 April 2007 (CDT)

:::::Hmmm, a somewhat related discussion is happening regarding the "{{{blogger}}}'s blog" categories at [[Category talk:Fan videos]]. Maybe we can reach a solution that will work for both of these.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:26, 27 April 2007 (CDT)

:::::: Okay, I created an optional blogs field -- you can see how it works on [[Nikki Bower]]. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:19, 27 April 2007 (CDT)

== making fields conditional ==

I tried to make the first and last fields conditional, but I really don't know what I'm doing and I messed up twice. I think every feild that could be blank should be conditional -[[User:Misty|misty]] 19:36, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

:Looking at the template code, I think if
:<pre>| unseen = yes</pre>
:is added, the labels will change from "Appearance" to "Mention". Maybe that's all we need.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:30, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

== Purchase info ==

I thought it would be nice if there was a field someone could fill in with purchase info for the stuffed characters. It could be like... you'd enter a URL and a site name and it would say

Available At: target.com (and target would list to the product page).

I think it might be helpful for anyone looking to purchase the animals.. and you know.. you just won't include that info for the human characters xD I'm not exactly sure how to format this.. the syntax confuses me a bit. But yeah. If anyone could add that (and no one has any objections to it or anything) I think it would be a great addition! thoughts? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:12, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

:I'm all for it! LOL. It's good in case Paul and Andrea accidentally lose P Monkey. They can buy a new P Monkey! [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 10:22, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

== Forum Post Link? ==
Any chance the Person profile template could include a link to that person'a posts on the LG15 in-character chats?? Seeing as they're being used more so than ever before (that, and that's a HUGE area of say, Taylor's involvement). What do you guys think?--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 19:13, 23 June 2007 (CDT)
:Good idea!! I added it! Still looking for someone to figure out how to do the purchase info for stuffed characters... *stares* --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 19:49, 23 June 2007 (CDT)
:That was QUICK! I actually just noticed you updating the template and I was about to test it myself, but by the time I clicked on Bree's profile, you had already taken on Taylor, Bree, AND Daniel! So I said to myself, 'Heh, best give this girl some room!' :P Thanks a bunch, Zoey, this'll make LGPedia/forum navigation THAT much easier!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 19:52, 23 June 2007 (CDT)
::Lmao!! I'm a girl on a mission, what can I say ;D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 19:53, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

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| actor = [[Alexandra Weaver]]
| first =
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'''Kate''' <abstractheart> is the main character of the [[KateModern]] series. She lives in East London with her best friend [[Charlie]]. She is dating [[Tariq]], who has just started a buisness with [[Gavin]]. She says that she's signed up for Bebo to showcase her art. Rumor has it, there is "something" in her blood.

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* '''[[Breeniverse]]''' — contains everything that is considered "real" within Bree's universe.
**''[[Characters]]'' — Read about the people who make up the Breeniverse.
** ''[[Locations]]'' — See all those places our favorite characters have been.
** ''[[The Story So Far...]]'' — Find out on how the story is unfolding in the Breeniverse.
** ''[[Breeniverse Timeline|Timeline]]'' — Follow the major events occurring in the Breeniverse.
** ''[[Theories and Speculation]]'' — Learn about the sinister plots that may be taking place in the Breeniverse.
** ''[[Notable Details]]'' — Check out the little important details you may have otherwise missed in the videos.
** ''[[Relationships]]'' — Read up on the romances of the series.
* '''[[Behind The Scenes]]''' — the cast and crew, music, and more news from lonelyworld.
* '''[[LG15 Spin-offs|Unofficial Spinoffs]]''' — Learn more about the unofficial spinoffs inspired by lonelygirl15.

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|name = I'm Here To Help
|number = 0228
|image = 0228-Spencer-Khonad.jpg
|description = Spencer offers his help to Daniel, Sarah, Jonas, and Taylor in the form of interperating the documents left by his father at [[the yacht club]].
|blogger = Spencer
|date = July 9th, 2007
|url = {{lg15|289}}
|forumurl = http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12123
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{{Vid
|name = Kicked Out - NBR Investigates
|number = NBR021
|image = KickedOut-NikkiSad.jpg
|description = After getting kicked out of the Hymn of One, Nikki Bower tries to help get the attention of Spencer Gilman.
|blogger = Nikki Bower
|date = July 7th, 2007
|url = {{youtube|v8vl6DN9yns}}
|forumurl = http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12059
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{{Vid
|name = All Wet
|number = 0227
|image = 0227-DanielBoats.jpg
|description = Sarah and Daniel go down to the docks to investigate the clue, and find something interesting in the water.
|blogger = Daniel
|date = July 6th, 2007
|url = {{lg15|288}}
|forumurl = http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12036
|faction = THE RESISTANCE
|status = PUBLIC VIDEO
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{{Vid
|name = Going Back to Cali
|number = 0226
|image = 0226-TaylorSmilingAtCamera.jpg
|description = Jonas and Taylor leave Taylor's mom behind and head for California.
|blogger = Taylor
|date = July 5th, 2007
|url = {{lg15|287}}
|forumurl = http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11993
|faction = THE RESISTANCE
|status = PUBLIC VIDEO
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* '''[[Breeniverse]]''' — contains everything that is considered "real" within Bree's universe.
**''[[Characters]]'' — Read about the people who make up the Breeniverse.
** ''[[Locations]]'' — See all those places our favorite characters have been.
** ''[[The Story So Far...]]'' — Find out on how the story is unfolding in the Breeniverse.
** ''[[Breeniverse Timeline|Timeline]]'' — Follow the major events occurring in the Breeniverse.
** ''[[Theories and Speculation]]'' — Learn about the sinister plots that may be taking place in the Breeniverse.
** ''[[Notable Details]]'' — Check out the little important details you may have otherwise missed in the videos.
** ''[[Relationships]]'' — Read up on the romances of the series.
* '''[[Behind The Scenes]]''' — the cast and crew, music, and more news from lonelyworld.
* '''[[LG15 Spin-offs|Unofficial Spinoffs]]''' — Learn more about the unofficial spinoffs inspired by lonelygirl15.

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{{Vid
|name = I'm Here To Help
|number = 0228
|image = 0228-Spencer-Khonad.jpg
|description = Spencer offers his help to Daniel, Sarah, Jonas, and Taylor in the form of interperating the documents left by his father at [[the yacht club]].
|blogger = Spencer
|date = July 9th, 2007
|url = {{lg15|289}}
|forumurl = http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12123
|new = yes
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{{Vid
|name = Kicked Out - NBR Investigates
|number = NBR021
|image = KickedOut-NikkiSad.jpg
|description = After getting kicked out of the Hymn of One, Nikki Bower tries to help get the attention of Spencer Gilman.
|blogger = Nikki Bower
|date = July 7th, 2007
|url = {{youtube|v8vl6DN9yns}}
|forumurl = http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12059
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{{Vid
|name = All Wet
|number = 0227
|image = 0227-DanielBoats.jpg
|description = Sarah and Daniel go down to the docks to investigate the clue, and find something interesting in the water.
|blogger = Daniel
|date = July 6th, 2007
|url = {{lg15|288}}
|forumurl = http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12036
|faction = THE RESISTANCE
|status = PUBLIC VIDEO
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{{Vid
|name = Going Back to Cali
|number = 0226
|image = 0226-TaylorSmilingAtCamera.jpg
|description = Jonas and Taylor leave Taylor's mom behind and head for California.
|blogger = Taylor
|date = July 5th, 2007
|url = {{lg15|287}}
|forumurl = http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11993
|faction = THE RESISTANCE
|status = PUBLIC VIDEO
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|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;"| '''[[Sarah|<span style="color:white">Sarah</span>]]'''
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* '''[[Breeniverse]]''' — contains everything that is considered "real" within Bree's universe.
**''[[Characters]]'' — Read about the people who make up the Breeniverse.
** ''[[Locations]]'' — See all those places our favorite characters have been.
** ''[[The Story So Far...]]'' — Find out on how the story is unfolding in the Breeniverse.
** ''[[Breeniverse Timeline|Timeline]]'' — Follow the major events occurring in the Breeniverse.
** ''[[Hymn of One|Bree's Religion]]'' — Just exactly what "faith" was Bree brought up in? Read up on it here.
** ''[[Theories and Speculation]]'' — Learn about the sinister plots that may be taking place in the Breeniverse.
** ''[[Notable Details]]'' — Check out the little important details you may have otherwise missed in the videos.
** ''[[Relationships]]'' — Read up on the romances of the series.

* '''[[Behind The Scenes]]''' — [[the Creators]], the cast and crew, music, and more news from lonelyworld.
* '''[[lonelygirl15.com|lonelygirl15.com Site Features]]''' — Your guide to the forums, chat room, and LGPedia.
* '''[[LG15 Spin-offs|Unofficial Spinoffs]]''' — Learn more about the unofficial spinoffs inspired by lonelygirl15.

* '''[[KMPedia]]'''— Learn more about the Kate Modern spinoff of LG15.

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'''Previously featured articles:'''<br>
[[Deemontreal]], [[List of New Girl Candidates]], [[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree|The Hunt for Bree]], [[Nikki Bower]], [[LGPedia:Featured articles|more...]]

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|number = NBR021
|image = KickedOut-NikkiSad.jpg
|description = After getting kicked out of the Hymn of One, Nikki Bower tries to help get the attention of Spencer Gilman.
|blogger = Nikki Bower
|date = July 7th, 2007
|url = {{youtube|v8vl6DN9yns}}
|forumurl = http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12059
|new = yes
}}

{{Vid
|name = All Wet
|number = 0227
|image = 0227-DanielBoats.jpg
|description = Sarah and Daniel go down to the docks to investigate the clue, and find something interesting in the water.
|blogger = Daniel
|date = July 6th, 2007
|url = {{lg15|288}}
|forumurl = http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12036
|faction = THE RESISTANCE
|status = PUBLIC VIDEO
}}

{{Vid
|name = Going Back to Cali
|number = 0226
|image = 0226-TaylorSmilingAtCamera.jpg
|description = Jonas and Taylor leave Taylor's mom behind and head for California.
|blogger = Taylor
|date = July 5th, 2007
|url = {{lg15|287}}
|forumurl = http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11993
|faction = THE RESISTANCE
|status = PUBLIC VIDEO
}}

{{Vid
|name = Dude Back Off
|number = 0225
|image = 0225-SarahVacuumingTheCabin.jpg
|description = Sarah complains that her relationship with Daniel is becoming too serious and asks him to back off.
|blogger = Sarah
|date = July 4th, 2007
|url = {{lg15|286}}
|forumurl = http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11958
|faction = THE RESISTANCE
|status = PUBLIC VIDEO
}}

'''Recent videos'''
*[[My Dad Died Too]]
*[[Look Back]]
*[[What Up Blogosphere!]]
*[[My Mom's A Freak!]]
*[[Rockin' the Boat]]

'''[[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|List of all videos...]]'''

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Portal:lonelygirl15

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LG15 Portal

KateModern

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{{FakeBlog2
| episode = Spin-off of [[lonelygirl15]]
| name = KateModern
| image = KateModern Cast.jpg
| caption = The cast of KateModern
| item01a = Created by
| item01b = [[Miles Beckett]] and [[Greg Goodfried]]
| category1 = Cast
| item11a = [[Kate]]
| item11b = [[Alexandra Weaver]]
| item12a = [[Charlie]]
| item12b = [[Tara Rushton]]
| item13a = [[Gavin]]
| item13b = [[Ralf Little]]
| item14a = [[Tariq]]
| item14b = [[Jai Rajani]]
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'''KateModern''' will be the first major spin-off of [[lonelygirl15]]. The series, which was announced on April 16, will begin in mid-July. The show will be hosted on the social-networking site [[Bebo]].

KateModern will be set in London, and much like [[Bree]], Kate will be doing battle against dark forces, while trying to have a semblance of a normal life.

"LG15 Presents ... KateModern," will be released first on Bebo, appearing with a delay on [[lonelygirl15.com]] and other sites.

'''Press release from July 8, 2007:'''

[[Kate]] will be portrayed by [[Alexandra Weaver]], [[Tariq]] will be portrayed by [[Jai Rajani]], [[Charlie]] will be portrayed by [[Tara Rushton]], and [[Gavin]] will be portrayed by [[Ralf Little]].

KateModern is created by [[Miles Beckett]] and [[Greg Goodfried]], two of the Creators of [[lonelygirl15]].

The production team includes...

[[Miles Beckett]] as Creator/Executive Producer/Head Writer/Director

[[Greg Goodfried]] as Creator/Executive Producer

[[Joanna Shields]] as Co-Executive Producer

[[Amanda Goodfried]] as Co-Executive Producer

[[Cristy Coors Beasley]] as Producer (Cristy was previously known for her role on [[lonelygirl15]] as [[Rebecca]])

[[Pete Gibbons]] as Series Producer

[[Kelly Brett]] as Production Manager

[[Claire Finbow]] as Production Assistant

[[Luke Taylor]] as Director/Editor

[[Gavin Rowe]] as Director/Editor

[[Luke Hyams]] as Writer

[[Tom Wright]] as Writer

[[Hazel Grian]] as Writer

==See also==
*The [[KMPedia]] portal for KateModern

==References==
* [http://www.ft.com/cms/s/7ee9ce6c-ebb6-11db-b290-000b5df10621.html Bebo hires troubled teenager to raise revenue], By Maija Palmer, Financial Times. April 16 2007.
* [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003571839&imw=Y Hollywood Reporter] on KateModern. April 16 2007.
* [http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-lonelygirlspinoff-16apr16,1,3342735.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews&track=crosspromo ‘Lonelygirl15’ spawns sister series], by Deborah Netburn, Los Angeles Times. April 16, 2007.
[[Category:Other people]]

KateModern

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{{FakeBlog2
| episode =
| name = KateModern
| image = KateModern Cast.jpg
| caption = The cast of KateModern
| item01a = Created by
| item01b = [[Miles Beckett]] and [[Greg Goodfried]]
| category1 = Cast
| item11a = [[Kate]]
| item11b = [[Alexandra Weaver]]
| item12a = [[Charlie]]
| item12b = [[Tara Rushton]]
| item13a = [[Gavin]]
| item13b = [[Ralf Little]]
| item14a = [[Tariq]]
| item14b = [[Jai Rajani]]
}}
[[Image:KateModern Cast.jpg|thumb|The cast of KateModern.]]
'''KateModern''' will be the first major spin-off of [[lonelygirl15]]. The series, which was announced on April 16, will begin in mid-July. The show will be hosted on the social-networking site [http://www.bebo.com/ Bebo].

KateModern will be set in London, and much like [[Bree]], Kate will be doing battle against dark forces, while trying to have a semblance of a normal life.

"LG15 Presents ... KateModern," will be released first on Bebo, appearing with a delay on [[lonelygirl15.com]] and other sites.

'''Press release from July 8, 2007:'''

[[Kate]] will be portrayed by [[Alexandra Weaver]], [[Tariq]] will be portrayed by [[Jai Rajani]], [[Charlie]] will be portrayed by [[Tara Rushton]], and [[Gavin]] will be portrayed by [[Ralf Little]].

KateModern is created by [[Miles Beckett]] and [[Greg Goodfried]], two of the Creators of [[lonelygirl15]].

The production team includes...

[[Miles Beckett]] as Creator/Executive Producer/Head Writer/Director

[[Greg Goodfried]] as Creator/Executive Producer

[[Joanna Shields]] as Co-Executive Producer

[[Amanda Goodfried]] as Co-Executive Producer

[[Cristy Coors Beasley]] as Producer (Cristy was previously known for her role on [[lonelygirl15]] as [[Rebecca]])

[[Pete Gibbons]] as Series Producer

[[Kelly Brett]] as Production Manager

[[Claire Finbow]] as Production Assistant

[[Luke Taylor]] as Director/Editor

[[Gavin Rowe]] as Director/Editor

[[Luke Hyams]] as Writer

[[Tom Wright]] as Writer

[[Hazel Grian]] as Writer

==See also==
*The [[KMPedia]] portal for KateModern

==References==
* [http://www.ft.com/cms/s/7ee9ce6c-ebb6-11db-b290-000b5df10621.html Bebo hires troubled teenager to raise revenue], By Maija Palmer, Financial Times. April 16 2007.
* [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003571839&imw=Y Hollywood Reporter] on KateModern. April 16 2007.
* [http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-lonelygirlspinoff-16apr16,1,3342735.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews&track=crosspromo ‘Lonelygirl15’ spawns sister series], by Deborah Netburn, Los Angeles Times. April 16, 2007.
[[Category:Other people]]

Bebo

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'''Bebo.com''' is the medium chosen by [[the Creators]] to premiere the [[KateModern]] series on, unlike [[lonelygirl15]], which was premiered on the video sharing site [[YouTube]]. Bebo is a competitor of [[MySpace]], which permits users to post videos, pictures, blogs, and other comparable features.

==External links==
*[http://www.bebo.com Bebo]
*[http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=4267180392 KateModern on Bebo]

KateModern behind the scenes

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The people who work '''behind the scenes of [[KateModern]]''' often receive little credit, but more information about them is available here. This information was received in a July 8th, 2007, press conference.

{{subheader|Creators}}

[[Image:Ch abc creators.jpg|thumb|right|200px|[[Miles Beckett]] and [[Greg Goodfried]] on ABC Nightline with [[lonelygirl15]] Creator, [[Mesh Flinders]]]]
* [[Miles Beckett]]
* [[Greg Goodfried]]

{{subheader|The Production Team}}

* [[Miles Beckett]] - Executive Producer, Head Writer, Director
* [[Greg Goodfried]] - Executive Producer
* [[Joanna Shields]] - Co-Executive Producer
* [[Amanda Goodfried]] - Co-Executive Producer
* [[Cristy Coors Beasley]] - Producer
* [[Pete Gibbons]] - Series Producer
* [[Kelly Brett]] - Production Manager
* [[Claire Finbow]] - Production Assistant
* [[Luke Taylor]] - Director, Editor
* [[Gavin Rowe]] - Director, Editor
* [[Luke Hyams]] - Writer
* [[Tom Wright]] - Writer
* [[Hazel Grian]] - Writer

{{subheader|Primary Cast}}

[[Image:KateModern Cast.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The cast of KateModern.]]
* [[Alexandra Weaver]] -- [[Kate]]
* [[Tara Rushton]] -- [[Charlie]]
* [[Ralf Little]] -- [[Gavin]]
* [[Jai Rajani]] -- [[Tariq]]

[[Category:Behind the scenes]]

{{KateCrewIndex}}

KateModern behind the scenes

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of <big>KateModern</big></font>
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[[Image:KMRightcorner.png|right|155px]]
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The people who work '''behind the scenes of [[KateModern]]''' often receive little credit, but more information about them is available here. This information was received in a July 8th, 2007, press conference.

{{subheader|Creators}}

[[Image:Ch abc creators.jpg|thumb|right|200px|[[Miles Beckett]] and [[Greg Goodfried]] on ABC Nightline with [[lonelygirl15]] Creator, [[Mesh Flinders]]]]
* [[Miles Beckett]]
* [[Greg Goodfried]]

{{subheader|The Production Team}}

* [[Miles Beckett]] - Executive Producer, Head Writer, Director
* [[Greg Goodfried]] - Executive Producer
* [[Joanna Shields]] - Co-Executive Producer
* [[Amanda Goodfried]] - Co-Executive Producer
* [[Cristy Coors Beasley]] - Producer
* [[Pete Gibbons]] - Series Producer
* [[Kelly Brett]] - Production Manager
* [[Claire Finbow]] - Production Assistant
* [[Luke Taylor]] - Director, Editor
* [[Gavin Rowe]] - Director, Editor
* [[Luke Hyams]] - Writer
* [[Tom Wright]] - Writer
* [[Hazel Grian]] - Writer

{{subheader|Primary Cast}}

[[Image:KateModern Cast.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The cast of KateModern.]]
* [[Alexandra Weaver]] -- [[Kate]]
* [[Tara Rushton]] -- [[Charlie]]
* [[Ralf Little]] -- [[Gavin]]
* [[Jai Rajani]] -- [[Tariq]]

[[Category:Behind the scenes]]

{{KateCrewIndex}}

Talk:KateModern behind the scenes

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I added a red header (as seen on [[KMPedia]]) and it looks good, except after and before each subheader, there are things such as:
<nowiki>
|-
>>
|- <style=#445obC>
</nowiki>
And things like that. I'm not the best at wikicoding, and I'll try to figure it out, but in the mean time, can somebody take a look at it? Thanks, [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 13:52, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

KateModern behind the scenes

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<--

The people who work '''behind the scenes of [[KateModern]]''' often receive little credit, but more information about them is available here. This information was received in a July 8th, 2007, press conference.

{{subheader|Creators}}

[[Image:Ch abc creators.jpg|thumb|right|200px|[[Miles Beckett]] and [[Greg Goodfried]] on ABC Nightline with [[lonelygirl15]] Creator, [[Mesh Flinders]]]]
* [[Miles Beckett]]
* [[Greg Goodfried]]

{{subheader|The Production Team}}

* [[Miles Beckett]] - Executive Producer, Head Writer, Director
* [[Greg Goodfried]] - Executive Producer
* [[Joanna Shields]] - Co-Executive Producer
* [[Amanda Goodfried]] - Co-Executive Producer
* [[Cristy Coors Beasley]] - Producer
* [[Pete Gibbons]] - Series Producer
* [[Kelly Brett]] - Production Manager
* [[Claire Finbow]] - Production Assistant
* [[Luke Taylor]] - Director, Editor
* [[Gavin Rowe]] - Director, Editor
* [[Luke Hyams]] - Writer
* [[Tom Wright]] - Writer
* [[Hazel Grian]] - Writer

{{subheader|Primary Cast}}

[[Image:KateModern Cast.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The cast of KateModern.]]
* [[Alexandra Weaver]] -- [[Kate]]
* [[Tara Rushton]] -- [[Charlie]]
* [[Ralf Little]] -- [[Gavin]]
* [[Jai Rajani]] -- [[Tariq]]

[[Category:Behind the scenes]]

{{KateCrewIndex}}

KateModern behind the scenes

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<big><font color="white">Behind The Scenes<br>
of <big>KateModern</big></font>
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[[Image:KMRightcorner.png|right|155px]]
|}

The people who work '''behind the scenes of [[KateModern]]''' often receive little credit, but more information about them is available here. This information was received in a July 8th, 2007, press conference.

{{subheader|Creators}}

[[Image:Ch abc creators.jpg|thumb|right|200px|[[Miles Beckett]] and [[Greg Goodfried]] on ABC Nightline with [[lonelygirl15]] Creator, [[Mesh Flinders]]]]
* [[Miles Beckett]]
* [[Greg Goodfried]]

{{subheader|The Production Team}}

* [[Miles Beckett]] - Executive Producer, Head Writer, Director
* [[Greg Goodfried]] - Executive Producer
* [[Joanna Shields]] - Co-Executive Producer
* [[Amanda Goodfried]] - Co-Executive Producer
* [[Cristy Coors Beasley]] - Producer
* [[Pete Gibbons]] - Series Producer
* [[Kelly Brett]] - Production Manager
* [[Claire Finbow]] - Production Assistant
* [[Luke Taylor]] - Director, Editor
* [[Gavin Rowe]] - Director, Editor
* [[Luke Hyams]] - Writer
* [[Tom Wright]] - Writer
* [[Hazel Grian]] - Writer

{{subheader|Primary Cast}}

[[Image:KateModern Cast.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The cast of KateModern.]]
* [[Alexandra Weaver]] -- [[Kate]]
* [[Tara Rushton]] -- [[Charlie]]
* [[Ralf Little]] -- [[Gavin]]
* [[Jai Rajani]] -- [[Tariq]]

[[Category:Behind the scenes]]

{{KateCrewIndex}}

KateModern behind the scenes

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<big><font color="white">Behind The Scenes</big><br>
of <big>[[<font color="white">KateModern</font>]]</big></font>
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[[Image:KMRightcorner.png|right|155px]]
|}

The people who work '''behind the scenes of [[KateModern]]''' often receive little credit, but more information about them is available here. This information was received in a July 8th, 2007, press conference.

{{subheader|Creators}}

[[Image:Ch abc creators.jpg|thumb|right|200px|[[Miles Beckett]] and [[Greg Goodfried]] on ABC Nightline with [[lonelygirl15]] Creator, [[Mesh Flinders]]]]
* [[Miles Beckett]]
* [[Greg Goodfried]]

{{subheader|The Production Team}}

* [[Miles Beckett]] - Executive Producer, Head Writer, Director
* [[Greg Goodfried]] - Executive Producer
* [[Joanna Shields]] - Co-Executive Producer
* [[Amanda Goodfried]] - Co-Executive Producer
* [[Cristy Coors Beasley]] - Producer
* [[Pete Gibbons]] - Series Producer
* [[Kelly Brett]] - Production Manager
* [[Claire Finbow]] - Production Assistant
* [[Luke Taylor]] - Director, Editor
* [[Gavin Rowe]] - Director, Editor
* [[Luke Hyams]] - Writer
* [[Tom Wright]] - Writer
* [[Hazel Grian]] - Writer

{{subheader|Primary Cast}}

[[Image:KateModern Cast.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The cast of KateModern.]]
* [[Alexandra Weaver]] -- [[Kate]]
* [[Tara Rushton]] -- [[Charlie]]
* [[Ralf Little]] -- [[Gavin]]
* [[Jai Rajani]] -- [[Tariq]]

[[Category:Behind the scenes]]

{{KateCrewIndex}}

KateModern behind the scenes

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[[Image:KMLeftcorner.png|left|155px]]
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<big><font color="white"> Behind The Scenes</big><br>
of <big>[[<font color="white">KateModern</font>]]</big></font>
|
[[Image:KMRightcorner.png|right|155px]]
|}

The people who work '''behind the scenes of [[KateModern]]''' often receive little credit, but more information about them is available here. This information was received in a July 8th, 2007, press conference.

{{subheader|Creators}}

[[Image:Ch abc creators.jpg|thumb|right|200px|[[Miles Beckett]] and [[Greg Goodfried]] on ABC Nightline with [[lonelygirl15]] Creator, [[Mesh Flinders]]]]
* [[Miles Beckett]]
* [[Greg Goodfried]]

{{subheader|The Production Team}}

* [[Miles Beckett]] - Executive Producer, Head Writer, Director
* [[Greg Goodfried]] - Executive Producer
* [[Joanna Shields]] - Co-Executive Producer
* [[Amanda Goodfried]] - Co-Executive Producer
* [[Cristy Coors Beasley]] - Producer
* [[Pete Gibbons]] - Series Producer
* [[Kelly Brett]] - Production Manager
* [[Claire Finbow]] - Production Assistant
* [[Luke Taylor]] - Director, Editor
* [[Gavin Rowe]] - Director, Editor
* [[Luke Hyams]] - Writer
* [[Tom Wright]] - Writer
* [[Hazel Grian]] - Writer

{{subheader|Primary Cast}}

[[Image:KateModern Cast.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The cast of KateModern.]]
* [[Alexandra Weaver]] -- [[Kate]]
* [[Tara Rushton]] -- [[Charlie]]
* [[Ralf Little]] -- [[Gavin]]
* [[Jai Rajani]] -- [[Tariq]]

[[Category:Behind the scenes]]

{{KateCrewIndex}}

Template talk:Bebo-acct

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One question, Zoey. Instead of the text defaulting to "on bebo.com", can it default to what the account name was? On the Person template, you can't put the Optional Text, so it automatically looks like [[Kate]]'s Bebo account is "on bebo.com." Like for the MySpace account, you don't see it say "on myspace.com," you see it say the actual account name. I really hope that can be fixed. Thanks, [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 09:51, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

Kate

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{{Person
| name = Kate
| image = KateModern3.jpg
| age =
| birthday =
| youtube =
| revver =
| myspace =
| forum-posts =
| bebo = AbstractHeart{{!}}AbstractHeart
| actor = Alexandra Weaver
| first =
| last =
| color = Crimson}}
'''Kate''' is the main character of the [[Kate Modern]] series. She lives in East London with her best friend [[Charlie]]. She says that she's signed up for Bebo to showcase her art.

{{KateCharIndex}}

LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony

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[[Image:GustaveCailbotteThe Balcony1880-Cropped.jpg|left|thumb|150px|A couple of [[LGPedia]] admins ([[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] & [[User:Psmith|Psmith]]) take a breather to admire the view from [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

[[Image:Lucy's_Balcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Your friendly [[LGPedia]] admins, [[User:Brucker|Brucker]], [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]], and [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] enjoy an unseasonably warm {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} afternoon on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

Welcome to '''Lucy's Balcony''', a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the [[LGPedia]]. This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns. To start a new thread, [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&action=edit&section=new click here]. Please remember to sign your posts by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end.

For old or inactive conversations, visit [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive|Lucy's archive]].

[[Image:snowwhitebalcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|[[User:Zoey|Zoey]], one of your [[LGPedia]] admins, frolics with the doves on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

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== Unused images ==

In cleaning up location pages I've orphaned a rather large number of images. The location pages had an unfortunate tendency to just include random screen-shots from videos that had absolutely nothing to do with the location. I've been cutting them out. Do we want to have an unused image assessment of some sort? Use the good ones, and just delete the lousy ones? We really don't need to keep hundreds of unused images laying around. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:06, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
:Well I think that you should delete the unused images, that don't look like they can be useful, to add to later articles or updates. Several times I went to an image category to find an image for an article. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 17:40, 15 May 2007 (CDT)

== General deletion/inclusion guidelines ==

As a result of the discussion on [[Template talk:HoverTOC]] and also somewhat on [[LGPedia:Tasks/Completed#LordGreystoke422's videos]], I think it's high time we figured out exactly what our deletion and inclusion policy is here. Currently our [[LGPedia:Deletion Policy|deletion policy]] is rather minimal and very much open to interpretation. There was a discussion about this on [[LGPedia talk:Deletion Policy]] quite a while back, and most of that is probably still applicable, but I have a feeling people will have some new ideas as well. I think the best way to handle the inclusion aspect of this would be to create a list of criteria that are necessary in order for an article to be included here. What we don't want to do is turn into Wikipedia here, but having some generals guidelines wouldn't be a bad idea. Another issue is deletion, which I suppose is very related to inclusion. I guess we could also have a list of reasons for why an article should be deleted, and maybe another list for reasons that ''aren't'' enough for an article to be deleted. Really, this is very open-ended, but I would ''love'' if people would get involved in the discussion here. To put in my two cents, I think a good first point for inclusion would be that it is related to Lonelygirl15 in some way. How closely related it would have to be is a point of discussion I guess, but that's a start at least.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:39, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:Okay, for me, I think that with fan videos, you should kind of look at what the purpose of the videos is, how they tell their stories, and what kind of stories are being told. Like I think videos that seem to be "going somewhere"... like distinctive stories with distinctive arcs may be better with just large summary pages that people can read. It makes it much easier to follow those kinds of stories when things are all laid out in one place. Like, LG422... and GC and such. Those are the kinds of stories I mean. However, with things like say... aaronbeast, where they're kind of... response videos.. or videos that don't really follow a specific story but kind of adapt based on what's going on in the [[Breeniverse]], those should get their own video pages. That's how ''I'' would view it... although I'm not entirely sure that made sense... hopefully it did. :P I'd love people's thoughts please!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:31, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

:I've gotta say, while I did negatively notice this before, when I was looking through the templates to catalogue them, I was once more reminded how many fan-created series have pages here.
:That is not bad per se, but, without going to sound arrogant or anything...many of them are just not noteworthy.
:Example - chosen randomly, not a personal attack: [[Linsy]]. We have a page on her, three video pages with transcripts, and even [[:Category:Linsybeast's blogs]]. And you know what? I have no idea who the fuck that is.
:Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against fanfic, fan participation, or anything. But I think we should set a certain standard of "noteworthyness" before listing people here, at least on more than one general site. Stuff like HSAO gained a lot of user traction, and Dr. Immant's videos apparently were quite well done and well-received by fans (never seen them) - but we don't have to have entire catalogues of every video every LG15 fan once did, just because they pretend to be in the Breeniverse.
:Another thing is useless occupation of space; example: There is a hardcoded sidebar-template for "GuillotineCalamity", which means that sidebar is fixed for that video series and cannot be used by anyone else. What's it used for? Two pages that contain barely more than "Transcript incomplete". Check out Category:GuillotineCalamity - the five season subcategories are all empty, and GC Seasons does nothing more than link to these empty categories. Apparently, at least according to the main page on that topic, there actually were quite a lot of these videos. Where are they? Why do we need five categories and a sidebar, if all we have on that series other than the main page are two video pages with no information?
:Like I said, don't get me wrong - I have nothing against fan fiction. But what we're currently doing is like accepting every little essay a grade schooler once wrote into the Great Library of Alexandria. We are flooded with pages that, quite frankly, don't interest anyone but the authors...and maybe two or three other people.
:I don't know exactly ''how'' to solve this problem, maybe by requiring a certain amount of hits on a single page, before branching out is allowed or something, but I think the overall quality of this encyclopedia suffers from this. While fan fiction most definitely is an important part of LG15, this is the official encyclopedia on the official site, sometimes visited by The Creators themselves through their Admin account - I think it should focus on important and official stuff first, and ''then'' on fan faction and trivia. Right now, we have some important core pages, like List of Videos, the video pages themselves, List of Characters and the character pages, and a whole lot of crap that is fun to have, but takes focus away from the efficient administration and care for the important pages. Do we really need a page on [[H.P. Lovecraft]]? As far as I'm concerned he has had ''no'' major influence on the canon. He has enjoyed, ''perhaps'' some passing references, but ''that's nothing special''. Hundreds of videos everyday do that. But they link to Wikipedia instead of writing their own page about him. [[Dava Sobel]]. wtf do we need that for? It's a one line note, ''and'' it's been said on the video page for [[Proving Longitude Wrong]]. There is no reason to have that page.
:Okay, I think you got my point here - it's late, so I'll move on.

:Deletions. Yeeees. Zoey has ignored me for the past few days, so I guess it's evident I have quite some strong feelings on this topic. Most of them I have already posted, so let me just sum things up quickly:
:I have nothing against deletions as such. In fact, I myself have given good reason for the deletion of both Template:PageHeader and [[Template:Clr]], after this whole orgy was over - see the respective talk pages. What I was, and still am, annoyed by is the notion that a template should be deleted just because it's currently unused. A template is a convenience thing. A tool. Do you throw away your hammer just because you don't use it at a given point in time, and then get it back out when you actually use it? I think not.
:If a template is useless and will most likely ''never'' be used, fine - kill it. But if it's a useful little thing, why delete it, just because ''right now'' nobody is using it?

:The discussion also revealed a kind of weird view of deletion around here - apparently, it means nothing. The stance here seems to be to delete something if it's currently unwanted, and to restore it if it's wanted again. And that just takes the use and meaning out of it. A deletion should be a strong statement that the page is not wanted anymore. Instead, it's being used for a crude form of giving the appearance of order - similar to a child that gets the order to clean his room, only to shovel all his toys under his bed. Sure, it looks clean, but as soon as he'll need the toys, he'll get them back out.
:I am not against restoring, I said that. But it should be a tool rectify a mistake - not an action as common as opening a page.
:In fact, this stance is probably connected to what I mentioned above - ''we have too much crap lying around here''. If pages were reduced to essentials and semi-essentials, it'd be a much harder decision to delete anything, simply because it'd have a major impact on the information presented. Instead, an admin can delete half the pages here without fear to destroy anything important - 90% of all users would still find exactly what they want.

:It's two o' clock in the morning, so I'll stop here. I know I didn't present any solutions, but maybe it's better to hear your reactions first anyway. Don't be shy, and don't be afraid to use whatever language you might find necessary. Just remember that we're talking about administrative issues here, not friendship or community. This is not, at least from my point of view, about whether or not somebody's feelings might get hurt if his pages are deleted (be it "my" templates, [[Linsy]]'s blogs, or carefully crafted pages over totally insignifcant details), but about how to get a certain sense of order in this thing, and setting a certain standard of quality.
:You cannot accept everything if you want the average to be good. The question is just if you have the balls to turn people down if it's necessary.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:09, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:<small>*looks up* ...oops. [[Template:Quote]], if anyone is crazy enough to reply.

:BAH, Zoey, out of my line of post! '''[Editing conflict resolved]'''</small>

::@Zoey: Hmm, that's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure it would really work. I don't think it would be too fair to say that a certain series shouldn't have video pages just because it has the "story" format that you're talking about. Similarly, there's no reason that a rather minor fanfic video should get its own video page just because it doesn't have that story format. I think the criteria should be something like popularity, connection to LG15, probability of canonicity, etc.

::@Renegade: I think you raise some good issues. Firstly, I agree with you about the problem with notability of videos. I think when the whole [[List of New Girl Candidates|new girl]] thing was going on, every possible "new girl" was given a page, and all of their videos started to be transcribed. This has created a lot of probably-less-than-notable fan blog pages that people may not be that interested in. I think a good solution might be to figure out which ones are actually notable (perhaps page-view count as you suggest or maybe something else), and then determine if we need the transcript pages or just one page for the character that could give a summary of their blogs and general information on them. That way, the notability or important of a fan series is reflected here by how much space, time, effort, etc. we put into it. Again, it might be hard to determine the "notability" factor, but I'm sure we could come up with some method to do so.

::As far as the waste of space, the reason that happens (at least from my point of view) is that we hate to undo someone's work because we either 1) don't want to hurt their feelings (a lame reason really) or 2) think they might come back to it at some point in the future. It's a little similar to the templates you created, Renegade. We see that someone has created something which looks like it could be useful, but isn't really being used yet. We're skeptical about deleting it, and yet it seems like it would help clean up if we do. I think just better communication all around would help solve this problem. We shouldn't be afraid to ask people why they created a certain page, template, category, etc. as long as it's done in a considerate way. If there is a genuine good use for what they have done, then they can explain it. If it was done on a whim or we decide it's not necessary or there's a better way to organize the information, then it can be deleted or reorganized.

::And really, I agree with you about the deleting/restoring thing. What I was trying to say before is that ''if'' a page gets deleted because no one sees a good use for it, then we can ''fix'' the mistake of deleting it by restoring it. I was trying to point that that deletion isn't that big of a deal because it can be undone. Of course, if we think we're going to be restoring something later, then of course we shouldn't delete it. I hope this makes sense, and I'll try to explain better if it doesn't.

::One final word. You're right that we're not talking about friendship or community here, and I agree that people should be free to express their opinions openly. Sometimes, though, this can turn into a war between people rather than between those people's ideas. I encourage everyone to not take anything personally here. As I'm so fond of saying, we're all working toward the same goal, so please remember that and never assume that someone is attacking you personally. Any and all personal attacks here will '''not''' be tolerated, so let's try to not make that an issue. That said, let's continue to have a helpful discussion that will make this place better for everyone.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 12:22, 9 June 2007 (CDT)

Okay I just wanted to say, my idea was for how to handle videos once they're already gotten the stamp of approval to be on the page, based on whatever criteria we set. Because like Renegade said, the GC videos and the CIW vidoes all have video pages, but really arent used. So um, if based on our criteria to get something on the site in the first place, they're still good, I think we should look at the things I mentioned before, and perhaps decide that they don't need video pages, only summary pages (like LG422 videos as well). As far as WHAT those criteria are, I don't really know...

And Renegade, I haven't been ignoring you. I've been reading everything you say very closely. The strength of my opinions on these topics, however, doesn't even come close to yours, so it is difficult for me to give you worthy responses. But I am reading what you are saying and just... trying to take a step back and examine all viewpoints before I give any input on what I think should be done for what things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:46, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Pinging Zoey with 478 bytes of data:
Reply from Zoey: bytes=1006 time=563040000ms TTL=255

:hehehe :D
:Nah, seriously...thanks for replying at all. Although I now feel like a fundamentalist radical on the topic of deletions, it at least gives me the hope I didn't piss you off for good. I do see some irony in the fact that Template:PageHeader still exists, though, given that even I am for its deletion now. :D
:Aaaand that brings us back on topic (ain't I good?): It's dead. Nobody wants to talk, but us. So I propose we do the stuff suggested below, to make people aware of what we're discussing above. Sound like a plan? Good. I'll try to code/design something and ... '''Update:''' I did code something, behold it on [[LGPedia:Participate]]. But now my favorite admistress (or one the other demi-gods) would have to go to [[MediaWiki:Recentchangestext]] and add <nowiki>{{LGPedia:Participate}}</nowiki>, as I lack the power to do that. Make sure to add it outside of a block of text though (first thing on the page at best) as everything else fucks it up. Took me three revisions to figure out the template was fine, and the the positioning was to blame. -_- And adjust the top-margin when it's added, I had to guess for now.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:35, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

:: It's looking really good. I think [[:Category:Featured article nominees|featured articles]] and [[:Category:Proposed Merges|proposed merges]] should also be added... and probably some other stuff I'm not thinking of ATM. I'm assuming it doesn't update automatically though? So people will have to really be on top of it. Oh, and also, I think the text under Participate should be bigger... for those of us who are blind *cough*. I'll see about adding it to recent changes, but I generally fail at that kind of stuff anyways, so it might be better to wait for another admin to come along and make it look nice...
::And um, yeah, I'm going to go delete PageHeader now :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:12, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

:The fact that "Renegade" does not know "who the fuck" [[Linsy]] is, is pretty unimpressive criteria for deleting anything a fan has taken the trouble to add to LGPedia. I think the opinion as expressed here is incredibly arrogant and hostile to community (comments such as "grade school", "crap", "having balls" etc. do not inspire confidence). My personal opinion is that unless you are running into some hard technical issue such as exceeding storage space (which is usually absurd these days, but possible), there is very little justification to delete contributions made by occasional posters or those outside the core LGPedia group. That is the opposite of what you should be doing. Add structure? Absolutely. Move really random/disconnected items off to an orphanage for lost pages (or equivalent) sure. But don't delete, and leave a link (comprehensive note on a talk page or comment in history or *some* obvious path to finding the moved article without having to contact a staff member - I'm not sure what the best solution there is).

:There are growing and independent circles of fans, who are every bit as invested and involved in their segments of the Lonelygirl15 community as the few LGPedia mainstays, and the vitality of this effort depends on the confidence that time invested in posting here will not be discarded by someone with a different idea of what is important. That kind of editing would be disrespectful and foolish. My contributions here have been minor, and may not even fit in with your concepts (I don't know), but if I put something here and linked to it from off site, and came back later to check for updates, etc. and found my work silently deleted, I would be angry. That kind of move should be made with the utmost care and respect.

:So address the issues, but find a better solution than deleting even relatively trivial contributions from fans. You never know when they will come back to expand on or edit their work, possibly becoming more significant contributors later. You folks have a great thing going here - there is no need to alienate the occasional contributors. First contributions take the most effort sometimes, and should not be undervalued.

:Maybe a better editorial concept is to think of a core set of pages (a trunk and main branches) that are tightly controlled, surrounded by a cloud of satellite pages (twigs and leaves) that are a bit wild and unruly, with a few orphans that fall to the ground, but are still down there somewhere. ~ [[User:QtheC|QtheC]] 08:15, 24 June 2007 (CDT)

::So wait, let me get this straight...you wait for eight days, to attack a sentence in a post that's almost three weeks old, over a fact that was clearly introduced with "chosen randomly, not a personal attack"?
::Riiiiiight. Were you bored, or just in an aggressive mood?
::Everybody else got fine that it was an example to illustrate the issues with noteworthyness we have here, and the fact that you can only fight it by dragging it down to a personal level and attacking my credibility just proves to me that I raised an undisputable point; you may not like it, but fact is: In all probability, said "Linsy" adds nothing to the Breeniverse.
::Yes, it is nice to have devoted fans, and yes, the fan interaction in and with this series is great - but that does not automatically mean that the official encyclopedia has to include every single video by every user that slightly, remotely connects to the topic. I have nothing against including notable fans on LGPedia. If a video series gained a big viewership, like the several Cassies or HSAO, or some of the OpAphid analyzation vids, fine, include them - they ''are'' important to the community around the series, and, as such, important to the series.

::But, no matter how arrogant you'd like to interpret this, ''reality'' is: The latest vid of that "Linsy" person has 71 views. It has a page with nothing but a sidebar, and it's a shaky video of her or her character's birthday "partay". Okay. Typical YouTube content. Fine to be online. But why the hell does it have to be on LGPedia? Is it of great importance to the canon? Nope, she's not canon. Is it of great importance to the fandom? Nope, it's had 70 views before I just clicked. Is it an exceptionally well-crafted page? Nope, it's one line with a sidebar.
::She may be a nice person, and her videos might even be funny - but, as of this moment, there is nothing exceptionally significant or notable about them that'd require us to list it here. And the positive effect of having ''everything'' listed gets outweighted by the negative effect of having ''almost everything'' look like crap.

::Even if you wish to list each and every tiny little fanvid, what's the use of listing them if their page says nothing? Let's say we let that page stay as it is. What is the great advantage gained by users through this? Is it that, of nineteen videos existing, only four are listed? Or that, of these four, one fourth doesn't have a transcript? Or that they can read a transcript at all?
::Who is, realistically, going to read a transcript of some girl's fanfic blog?

::You can call me arrogant all you want, whoever lives in reality sees I'm not trying to belittle that girl, but to be realistic. It is great she's active in the community, and it takes a great deal of courage to tape a video and put it out there for everyone to see. But the fact that she's a fan with a video alone doesn't make her or her video significant enough to be put up on the official site next to the information on official videos.
::We should focus on information important to the Breeniverse and the fandom. And some girl's birthday party, as nice as she may be, just has nothing to do with. The maximum effect that page will have on unintroduced users will be that they wonder how she is tied into the series, and get all confused.
::'''Added to reply to addition''':
::That may be a nice idea, but the problem is, would care for the twigs and orphans. We'd have hundreds of unmaintained pages laying around, building a "cloud of crap", so to speak, around the important entries. If someone maintained these pages, it'd be a different issue...but people won't. You can hope and dream all you want, a "lowly" fanfic-video-page just isn't gonna get the same editorial attention as an official video page.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:12, 24 June 2007 (CDT) '''[Editing conflict resolved]'''
::<small>And for the record, thanks to the new sidebar on recent changes, silent deletions are almost impossible now - unless someone disregards all procedures.</small>

::: This was the most idiotic dispute in the history of the Wiki. Just saying! --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:09, 1 July 2007 (CDT)

== "Have your say" page ==

I just had a read of the problems mentioned above (deletions etc.) and thought of an idea that might be of help to both this and other problems that arise from "normal users" scanning the last 50 recent changes to see what has been happening (thereby missing out when there have been lots more changes since they last logged in). I would propose having a LGPedia:Have your say page listed on the right hand column, perhaps under the "Recent changes". This page would then have links to all current discussions and votes that users may be unaware are going on at all, e.g. pic/caption votes, redesign comments, delete-tagged pages. This may help getting more people involved in decisions than at present (because they wouldn't necessarily be logging in as frequently as an admin, nor would they be visiting the various log pages that we know about). In addition, the delete period between tagging and deleting should be increased to 2 weeks (except where an admin is just rectifying a mistake).

This may not completely avoid the situation with deleted templates mentioned above, but if in addition we admins think twice in future before nominating something unused for deletion than that's probably all else we can do.

Having said that, as both [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] and [[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] have respectively pointed out, it is neither a big deal leaving pages that are unused alone until they become useful again, nor accepting that some pages which are deleted through lack of feedback can be restored afterwards. Let us not get heated about this either way. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:27, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

:I like that idea very much, Psmith. Renegade proposed something similar on [[Template talk:HoverTOC]], but I think this would work better. I think people see that column a lot and "Have your say" if a very self-explanatory phrase that should hopefully draw people in to have their say about things. We would have to make sure to keep this page updated or it wouldn't work, but if we can do that, then I think it should work great. As far as extending the deletion period from 1 week to 2, it really doesn't make a difference to me. If people think this would help solve problems with deletions, then I'm all for it. I'd love to hear others' opinions on both of these issues, so please feel free to pipe in with your support or objections.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 12:22, 9 June 2007 (CDT)
::[[Special:Recentchanges|BEHOLD]] what Zoey and I crafted together!
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:07, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Wow! [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 12:45, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

== Addition of KateModern to LGPedia ==

Hi everyone. [[Miles Beckett|Miles]] has requested via email that we make some changes to LGPedia to prepare for [[KateModern]]'s premiere later this month. The details are included in his email which I have included here:

{{quote|Miles|
As you know, KateModern is launching soon and I'd like to give you some information so you can revise the LGPedia accordingly. In our minds, the framework is as follows:

#LG15 is the Universe that includes lonelygirl15 and KateModern and future shows (The LGPedia should track the entire LG15 Universe)
#lonelygirl15 is the US show with the characters we all know and love
#KateModern is the UK show with a new cast and plot

We are redesigning the website to make the interface cleaner and also to display both shows. We're going to provide a link on the lonelygirl15 show page that goes to a lonelygirl15 "portal" in the LGPedia that would look similar to the current homepage of LGPedia. Similarly, we'll provide a link on the KateModern show page that goes to a KateModern "portal in the LGPedia that would look similar to the current homepage but would be all KateModern specific stuff. LGPedia would therefore need a new homepage that would provide links to these sub-page portals for each show, and a lot of the information that is already on the homepage since alot of this is more about the LG15 Universe.

Does that makes sense? I wanted to give you a heads up since KateModern launches in mid-July and we'd love if LGPedia was up to date by then. Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks!

Miles}}

My own thoughts on the issue are to not do anything too drastic until we reach a decision about what should be done and it all seems feasible. It looks like we'll need to create [[Portal:Lonelygirl15]] and [[Portal:KateModern]] (or names similar to these) as well as resurrect [[Main Page/redesign]]. I think a good goal would be to try to get this all done within about a week or so that it will be ready for the launch of KateModern. If anyone has any questions for Miles, feel free to post them here or on [[User talk:Jonpro|my talk page]] and I can send them on to him.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:54, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

:Hm, wow, this is definately a massive project. Maybe it would be best to have a ''really'' basic homepage that says something like "Chose Your Destination" with links to both of the girls and that be it? Or something very similarly simple. Maybe we can just keep the LG frontpage the same and make a copycat for KM with the links and stuff she needs. I'm kind of confused about how to determine what would be used for both though. I mean, it's not going to take place in [[Bree's bedroom]] or anything, is it? Where do we draw the line for what is LG15 and what is LG15 Universe? Hm, also I guess we could make like.. top categories to help make things easier to classify? Like a Category:KateModern, Category:Lonelygirl15, and a Category:Breeniverse (that contains stuff for both worlds?). I don't know, like I said, I'm having a hard time comprehending just how much of an overlap there will be, so its kind of hard to figure where to draw the line, but those were my intial thoughts at the idea. Let me know what you think...! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:03, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

:::::Zoey I totally agree - I think we should have a splash page, if you will, for the 'pedias. On the front page can be something simple, Kate -enter- and LG -enter- or however you want to present them. This page can be the "fancy" page, if we want, and it can look really good, and different from the 'pedia now if we're looking for something fresh. But the pedia works REALLY well set up as it is. I don't think changing it is a good idea. Not overall. As for the sharing sections, I think that we should just stick to having articles that are accessible to both pedias through common links. Don't get into three different pedias. Asking for trouble, that. Just stick to two pedias outlining two storylines, and the common lines between them will take care of themselves. [[User:MarlaSinger|MarlaSinger]] 17:42, 6 July 2007 (EST)

::I was wondering the same thing about the amount of overlap. If there really isn't going to be any interaction between the series, it makes sense to basically have two sections to the site, kind of like you're saying. I went ahead and sent Miles an email asking him how much overlap there will be, so I'll be sure to let you guys know what he says when I get a response.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:46, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

:::Okay, I got an email back from Miles and here it is (I think it's easier to just copy/paste than try to explain it in my own words):

:::{{quote|Miles|The characters "can" communicate with each other but it remains to be seen how much they will. Things like the Order, the Hymn of One, and all of that larger mythology will be in both series to varying degrees. Think of it like, the Order, HOO, the stuff about the blood, the girls, the Elders, etc. etc. are all the same across both shows. But, the characters and plot are different. Happy to answer any other questions. Thanks!}}

:::So I don't think we should try to "split up" LGPedia into two sections or anything, but I think we should definitely do something with the categories like Zoey suggested. Maybe we can go through and add "Category:Lonelygirl15" to at least some (maybe all?) of the pages here, and then start adding "Category:KateModern" to the pages that we create for the KM characters, locations, videos, etc. Other than that, it'd probably be a good idea to focus our energy on the "portal" pages and the Main Page. I think we have a lot of options for the Main Page, and it'd be nice to see something more than just a link to the two "portal" pages. A few ideas I can think of are:
:::#Split the Main Page right down the middle with LG15 stuff on one side and KM stuff on the other side.
:::#Keep the page looking a lot like we have it but add links to KM things as they happen. In other words, update the video list with videos from both series, add links to KM pages to the links list on the left, etc.
:::#Remove all "series-specific" information from the Main Page and put it in the lonelygirl15 portal page. The Main Page would then be about the LG15 universe in general so LG and KM followers could both find only useful information.
:::Now, for all of these, there would still exist the "portal" pages to get more detailed pages about the specific series. I really don't know what's best, and I'd love to hear peoples' thoughts about these ideas and/or other ideas for what to do here. Thanks!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:00, 4 July 2007 (CDT)
:I don't like the "splitting" simply becuase that'd be a little confusing, IMO. Again, I'm relatively new to wiki-editing, so if what I'm saying doesn't make sense, forgive me. But since it appears that the two shows will interact in ''some'' way, it seems reasonable for now if we simply keep the main page "as is" for the most part but under the "Breenverse" section we simply create two sections: "Lonelygirl15" & "KateModern." (everything currently under there would fit nicely into "Lonelygirl15"). With that huge list redesigned into a list of two, we'd have room to add any KM characters under the current LG15 characters (possibly with a different color to their names, i.e. not blue). Behind the Scenes, Site Features, and Unofficial Spinoffs would remain the same, I imagine. What'd be really cool if we could have the "LG15" in the corner to change to KM whenever you landed on a KM page (again, not sure if that's even doable, but I think itd be cool). Those are my thoughts for now . . . hope what I said didn't sound crazy. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 09:30, 5 July 2007 (CDT)
::Hmm... I was reading through this and I got an idea about splitting up the homepage but keeping all the stuff currently on it. Here's my idea: Move the "latest developments to the left side in between the ENCYCLOPEDIA (which we could change to read "LONELYGIRL15") and the Featured Article. Then, on the right create a "clone" of the left dealing with Kate Modern... I dunno. What do you guys think? -- [[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:20 6 July 2007 (EST)

::: I love this big picture, how do we organize everything sort of stuff. Almost makes me wish I were still around more, but I've been having so much fun at the {{Wikipedia|User:JayHenry|mothership}} that I rarely make it back here (and if any of you are ever looking to get more involved at the mothership, let me know, I'd love to help you find a niche!) So, as I understand it, KateModern will exist entirely within the same [[Breeniverse|universe]] but, just like real teenagers in L.A. and London, they will have little interaction, their lives will not affect each other much -- just like if a guy named Wixy gets some girl pregnant in London; Jay's life in, uh..., Miami, will be unaffected. Similarly, Wixy's bedroom ''exists'' in my universe, but it has no relevance to me whatsoever.
::: I think ideally you'd have Kate and LG15 latest video sections both on the main page somehow. For an idea like the portals, it might be best to have a [[template:Latest LG15 updates]] and a [[template:Latest KM updates]] and have both templates be transcluded on the Main Page and then one each on [[Portal:Lonelygirl15]] and [[Portal:KateModern]] respectively. That'd reduce the amount of redundant work, but I'll admit, I don't have a good idea for how to design the main page with two latest video sections.
::: Just some suggestions as I won't be around to implement any of it. I hope KateModern is a success, it'd be nice to have my interest restored, especially now that {{Wikipedia|Prom_Queen_(internet_series)|Prom Queen}} is over. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:09, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
::::Ugh, all you admins are abandoning me! I feel so alooonee </emo>. Haha well, either way it's nice to hear from you Jay... hopefully you'll be around a bit more... maybe? Your ideas sound good.. I'm just so confused about how to impliment them. I guess I'm still trying to wrap my head fully around what we're trying to do, so it's hard to figure out the best way to do it. It sounds like you've got some good ideas though (< To Everyone) and I'm anxious to see what kinds of things people come up with. As for right now, I think I'll just keep reading everyone's ideas until something sparks me.. or someone else, you know, figures it all out. I also made a post on the LGBlogspot directing people to this page, so who knows, we may get some new, fresh contributions soon! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:37, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:::::I like Jay's idea about using the templates. I will ''try'' to get that done later today if no one else gets it done first, but no promises. I'll also try to get some sample portal pages up today or tomorrow so that we have something to start with and maybe then it will be easier to work from there. As an aside, I really do feel bad about not being here as much, Zoey, but the demands of life are simply making it difficult. I think you're doing a great job considering we all did pretty much abandon you. Oh, by the way, has anyone heard from OiC recently?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 07:30, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

::::::Lol yeah, I know. Stupid "real life" taking all the fellow admins away from me! Hrmph! OIC was in the IRC chat the other night, she said she'd be on again soon.. but I haven't seen her since! And thanks! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 19:21, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:I think we should wait and see how KateModern is received before doing much - if it flops in the first week, there's no use redesigning half the encyclopedia.
:After all, LG15 was kind of new back in the day - by now, KateModern is just another internet series.
:(And given how the Creators failed to vary the plot arcs within ''one'' series already, I can very well see how people might recognize this as "Lonelygirl15 UK" and get bored because it's the same thing with different characters.)

:So, as said, I advocate waiting.
:But if you ''don't'' want to wait, I suggest replacing the "Encyclopedia" box on the main page with one LG15-specific and one KM-specific block, while updating the video-list with vids of both series.
:Splitting the page in half by series would look terrible.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:09, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:Lets see, they are in the same universe, lets see, fan fic is gonna blur the line faster then u can say wiki --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 11:36, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
::True. The acrowleyorder series has already made references to KateModern, and I'm sure about 50 will follow. Maybe it would be best to divide into three sections instead of Two (One being fanfiction) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:23 6 July 2007 (EST)

Simple solution:
1) on the left you have character pixs: the new page would have character pixs for both shows
2) below that you have Breeniverse which would stay the same but....
3) each of the items such as Characters would have an LG page and a Kate page (eg characters -lg15 and characters kate, locations-lg15, locations-kate etc (those can grow organically as needed as did the original pedia)
4) then on the right under latest developments videos for both series would be posted as they occur
--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 12:30, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:One thing I just realized: We can't include the KateModern Videos on the same list as the LG15 videos because of the way the number formatting works. KateModern Episode #1 would show up as LG15 Episode #230 or something. I like the merging of the "latest updates" but we should have separate video lists to avoid this problem (ex: two links at the bottom of the latest updates: List of all LG15 videos... and List of all KM videos... --[[User:FH14|FH14]]
::Well, they say that the KM vids will be appearing on the LG15 homepage (after appearing on Bebo). If they happen to end up in the same official videolist, then I guess that won't be a problem, FH14. But if they end up elsewhere? Oy. Is there a chance to simply keep the LG video count going, but have the KM videos under KM1, KM2, etc? Again, not sure if that's even wiki-possible, but that's my spiel. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 13:16, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

::I did some concepting, please state your opinion on [http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mainpageredesignok8.png this], everybody.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 14:32, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
:::I like it. although the Taylor overlap may be a problem. maybe if the info/video boxes were a bit wider? That would also allow more room if there are more than three main characters in KateModern. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 16:10 6 July 2007 (EST)
::::That layout is 850px wide. We need around 155px for the menu, which brings us to 1005px. That's the very, very maximum for a 1024x768px resolution. So I fear wider is not an option.
::::In a worst case scenario, we'll have to split and wrap the the image rows in the middle of the layout.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:16, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::Are you sure? The current homepage looks wider than the design to me. Of course, when it comes to pixels I'm clueless, so I may be wrong [[User:FH14|FH14]] 16:23 6 July 2007 (EST)
:::Renegade, can you do a design where the Encyclopedia box is split in half horizontally and the rest of the page looking relatively the same? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:45, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

Ok I know i haven't been around very much lately, but I'm still as opinionated as ever. I think Miles has totally the wrong idea how to structure the website. I think the loneleygirl15, should remain the site for the story about Bree , Katemodern should have It's own domain name. what we are currently calling the Breeniverse needs to have a name that isn't Breecentric, but encompasses KateModern the Order the HymnOfone etc. for the sake of clarity for the moment I'll call it the Dendraverse, though it probnably won't be called that. so this is how I would structure it Dendarverse.com will have have all the meta info about the Dandraverse and be a portal to lonleygirl15.com katemodern.co.uk (or whatever it's called), Hymnofone.org, and any other website within the Dendraverse. it will also have contain the dendraforums which will contain the currentl lonleygirl15 forums, the KateModern, forums. the Dendraverse Fanfic forums, etc. and it will also contain. it will also contain the Dendrapedia. The dendrapedia use the current Wkik, but will have a new main page which acts as a portal into will have a new main page which is a portal into LGpedia, KMPedia, FanficPedia, etc, the current main page will be moved to a new article called LGpedia, and function much the same way as the Aphidpedia page currently does. Similarly we will have an article called KMPedia that looks much the same but used a perhaps a Red color scheme. Except for the Home page all the domain names will operate synonymously using the same Forum and WiKi directories. I hope I explained myself clearly, the idea is pretty straightforward but I'm not sure I communicated it well. I do think this is the most logical way to go. --[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:15, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
:I'm sorry, Misty, but I disagree. I think that if there were two separate websites - lonelygirl15.com and katemodern.com - it would ruin the show. Some (but only a few) fans don't even know about KateModern yet, and if they had to go to katemodern.com to view it, then they would not know! And they would be missing out on a whole "sequel"-ish spin-off to lonelygirl15. And what you said about the Breeniverse not being so Bree-esque, I can understand that. However, I think Miles gave us basically a solution to that problem. Instead of the Breeniverse, we call it the LG15 Universe. Then again, that's still lonelygirl15-esque, but you get the point. We could do the Orderverse, the Hymn of One Universe... I don't know. It's the only way that seems possible to me. Making another whole website, katemodern.com, just seems to complicated to me. Plus making a whole wiki, KMPedia... it would seem so small compared to the LGPedia. My suggestion is that the '''Main Page would be very simple. The centered words "Choose Your Destination" with two arrows pointing to a picture of Bree, with the words "lonelygirl15" under it, and a picture of Kate, with the words "KateModern" under it.''' Then, the picture of Bree would redirect to our current Main Page. The picture of Kate would redirect to a KateModern-esque Main Page. Sure, we'd have to change a few things, like maybe the name of Lucy's Balcony, or the link to the List of Videos on the side. We could have a link to the List of LG15 Videos, and a link to the List of KM Videos. It just seems like lonelygirl15.com is where lonelygirl15 was born, and it should be where KateModern was born. Miles even said that they were in the process of redesigning lonelygirl15.com so that you can view both shows on it. I say we keep the name LGPedia, unless something major comes up, like a complete separation of lonelygirl15 from KateModern. [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 09:40, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

::Obviousley you didn't understand what I was saying because you are suggesting the same structure. you are just saying that it shoulod all be under the name all under the LG15 name, and that's the point I was objecting to. If you read what i said I wasn't suggesting creating other websites or a new WKI. I was sugessting Creating New domain names. a website can have 1000 domain names if you want. and KMPedia isn't a separate wiki is just a separate article. what I'm saying is that CONCEPTUALLY KM doesn't belong Under LG15, but KM and LG15 belong side by side Under the umbrella of a greater Universe. I called it the the Dendraverse in my example, but could have a different name. but it shouldn't be called the the LG15 universe, because LG15 is Bree eventually Bree will be gone, and if you try to separate LG15 from Bree then it has no meaning. so calling it the LG15 universe makes as much sense as calling it the CMJ24 universe. techincally what i propsed just means moving a few pages and creating a few links. -03:49, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

For whomever is desiging the pages, we now have a few images of Kate, thanks to her Bebo profile.
[[Image:KateModern Cast.jpg|thumb|110px|left]] [[Image:KateModern1.jpg|thumb|110px|left]] [[Image:KateModern2.jpg|thumb|110px|left]] [[Image:KateModern3.jpg|thumb|110px|left]] [[Image:KateModern4.jpg|thumb|110px|left]]{{Clr}}
--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:48, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

I have to confess i haven't read all the comments her yet, but it seems the easiest and most efficient way to implement miles' directive is to create a main page for kate modern. the main page for the lgpedia and kmpedia (or whatever it gets called) should both include a prominent link to the other. lonelygirl15.com/kmpedia (or whatever its called) she be made sure to redirect (by their webguys, this isn't a wiki thing) to the kmpedia main page. the kmpedia page is not going to have a lot to start, but i would get it in place and go from there. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 00:12, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

: ok, whizzes get to work?!! i think the red color of kate's bebo profile should be used in instead of the lgpedia blue? http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Kmpedia --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 00:26, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
::I played with the new page just a bit, as I know little-to-nothing about the wikicodes and didn't want to mess everything up --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:49, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::Okay, I took it a little further. We clearly need someone to get the colors looking right.. and we need to crop the images of the cast to the proper size. I didn't really know what to put in the Encyclopedia/Important Links yet, so I just kind of listed some LG pages I thought might be useful. If someone could find like.. Kate's BeBo, or anything else you think would be more important/better suited there, I think it would be great! But generally speaking, I think it's a good start. What do y'all think? (Or are we better going with a layout more similar to [[AphidPedia]]?) Okay, thoughts please! I'm off to bed! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:20, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
::::If we're going to have a seperate KMPedia anyway, I'll try to design something that is like Miles wanted - Two portals and a general universe news main page.
::::I'll update pages when I'm done, and expect your opinions afterwards.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:32, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::Cool I was Planning on working on it a little tomorrow, but i think I'll wait till you get started and I'll help you refine it. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 03:49, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
::::::It's looking much better already! The show debuts on July 16 per the article in today's Sunday Times (UK) (posted at lg15today) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 08:14, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::::Misty, about what you said about the "LG15 Universe." Miles clearly stated in his first quote that the LG15 Universe is the universe that encompasses [[lonelygirl15]] ''and'' [[KateModern]]. I am sorry about not understanding your post. I completely agree with that. I've been thinking, particularly about what Miles wanted, and this is what I've come up with. The C's will do whatever they want with the main lonelygirl15.com page, but they did say that both shows will be viewable from it, and that they would have a link to the lonelygirl15 portal, and the KateModern portal. I think that the KMPedia page right now should actually be the KateModern portal. And that the Main Page right now should be moved to some other name, and it will be the lonelygirl15 portal. The Main Page should be, as Renegade said, a "general universe news main page." I think that that should be on the bottom half of the page, and the "Choose Your Destination" with links to both the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal will be at the top. I think that maybe we should delete more fan fiction pages (it's overwhelming how much there is) so that we have more room on the wiki for KateModern pages. Those are just my thoughts. Thanks, <span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">  '''•Silver•'''  </font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 10:40, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
Hey guys. I think that the previous comment is accurate. Regardless of the past meanings of things. Here's the current dealio. LG15 is the Universe (HOO, The Order, Watchers, Ceremony Girls, etc.) and there are currently two shows running in that Universe: lonelygirl15 and KateModern. The LGPedia should encompass the whole LG15 Universe and should reflect that on the front page. Things like the video list, cast list, production list, etc. are all SHOW SPECIFIC and would be on those show pages. So, the current LGPedia front page is almost what each of the show pages (lonelygirl15 and KateModern) should look like (but with different logos and color schemes... will get you those soon). IN FACT, you could use that "show template" for the fan created shows as well... but obviously house them in some "fan section" that comes off the new LG15 Universe front page of LGPedia. Things like active shows, "Latest Developments in the LG15 Universe" (like you already have running along the right) could stay on the new portal (maybe you associate a Show Logo and color backdrop kinda like what you are currently doing for the different bloggers who post a video... with each "update" so it's clear which updates come from KM and which come from lonelygirl15). The index to the left would change (since cast, crew, etc. is a show specific thing). Make sense? Thanks everyone!!!!! Miles [[User:Admin|Admin]] 12:13, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

:So what you're saying, Miles, is that we still have the "portal" type of page that we have for lonelygirl15 on the Main Page, except it would be the LG15 Universe Portal. With links to the lonelygirl15 portal (the current Main Page) and the KateModern portal ([[KMPedia]]). Thanks, Miles! [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 13:35, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

== Browser neutrality or Official Browser ==

Ok there are some pages ( like the list of videos page ), that have significant differences when rendered in different browsers, and currently anyone can just edit to make the page look good in there own browser, and things don't look quite right in other browsers. I think we need a standard, either we enforce "Browser Neutrality", by not allowing any page design that doesn't look as good in all Browsers, or we declare one Browser the official Browser, and all pages are optimized to look best in that Browser. Realistically there are only 3 Browsers, that we need to concern ourselves with Safari (Webkit), Firefox (Gecko) and Internet Explorer (Trident), since every other Browser uses the same rendering engine as one of them. all of them have pros and cons:

Safari (Webkit) -
*Pros: Renders fonts better than any other Browser, most compliant to WC3 web standards.
*Cons: Windows version is still Beta,
*Other Webkit Browsers: OmniWeb, Swift, Sunrise, Midori, Shiira, Konqueror

Internet Explorer (Trident)
*Pros: Largest market share,
*Cons- Ignores WC3 standards, renders poorly
*Other Trident Browsers: AOL Explorer,Avant, Maxthon

FireFox (Gecko)
*Pros: Good WC3 compliance, best cross-platform support.
*Cons: inconsistent line spacing, adding extra pixels to object heights.
*Other Gecko Browsers: Netscape,Seamonkey, Camino, Galleon, Epiphany, K-Meleon, Flock
. --[[User:Misty|misty]] 14:03, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

:::'''Vote Tally'''
''Browser Neutrality''
# Suppory Enforced Browser Neutrality
## [[User:Zoey|Zoey]]
## [[User:Misty|Misty]]
# Opposed of enforced Browser Neutrality
## [[User:Renegade|Renegade]]
''Official Browser''
# Support Firefox as the Official Browser
## [[User:Renegade|Renegade]]
# Support Safari as the Official Browser
## [[User:Misty|Misty]]
# Support IE as the Official Browser

<br>

:Didn't we reduce the render-difference to different line heights in List of Videos? At least that's the only significant difference I remember and see...
:Of course I'd love Firefox to become the official browser, but unless that happens, I'd prefer neutrality - 'cause I sure as hell won't develop on IE, and I'm not gonna install that buggy apple thing on my machine.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:14, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
:Personally, I vote for browser-neutrality. As web developers, you want your pages to look nice for everyone who views them, not force your viewers to use a certain browser or "tough luck guys". Plus, with something as widely viewed as the LGPedia, I think it's fair to say no matter what browser would be chosen as "official", there will be a LARGE number of viewers who do not use that. So yes, I vote for neutrality. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:52, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
::Ok well if we for browser neutrality the list of videos page need another redesign, sinse the montage to list alignment breaks browser neutrality. so no pages can be designed to need vertical alignment of independent objects. So it looks like so far everyone is agreeable to browser neutrality, I say that if there are no objections by midnight July 10, that we make that official policy, and add it to the style guide -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 02:33, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

:::I think different line height is close enough to not count as "differently looking".
:::After all, the only thing different is how far down the montage extends.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:32, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::: Yes it certainly counts , in fact that is the ''main issue'' for this whole discussion. We either declare Firefox safari or IE as the official Browser, and align it for that; or we declare Browser Neutrality and the page gets redesigned so vertical alignment doesn't matter. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 03:59, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::If you decide to redesign a perfectly fine layout just because the lines are a little more spaced in one browser, you're doing that alone, missy. :P
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 04:27, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::: That sounds like a vote againsts enforced browser neutrality. Ok so that things don't get confused I'm going to put a vote tally: Please ad or edit your vote appropriately. -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 11:42, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

Template talk:Blog

2007-07-08T15:25:11Z

72.77.92.54: /* Location */

As a database designer, the Blog3 template always struck me as having very poor design in the one fact that it was limited in the number of cast members that could be displayed. In my mind, the number of cast members that could be listed should not be limited, and should not have to be coded in such an odd manner anyway. So now, instead of character1, actor1, character2, actor2, etc., one simply uses [[Template:VidChar]]. The plus side of this that may not be so obvious is that in editing things like our new categorizations of various filmographies for the actors, instead of having to edit six or seven lines of code, we only edit one, and it cascades to all video pages for all cast memebers. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 12:09, 21 February 2007 (CST)

:Even though the old template had that awkward reverse numbering, I think it's otherwise more intuitive than using this nested template. I guess I would have a mild preference for retaining the Blog3 template and if there are ever 8 characters in a video (which strikes me as fairly unlikely) we could just add another slot when the moment arises, which I think would be less work than getting used to this new template within a template system. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:36, 21 February 2007 (CST)

::What if the template were simplified, so that rather than
<pre>{{VidChar
character = Bree
actor = Jessica Lee Rose
}}</pre>
we could use a simplified format of
<pre>{{VidChar|Bree|Jessica Lee Rose}}</pre>
would that be better? It just seems so much more efficient to me. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 12:32, 22 February 2007 (CST)

:I know this discussion is old, but I kind of do like Brucker's second suggestion here better. It would make each character only take up one line of code instead of three or four. The template could probably be modified so that either would work while we make the transition. Thoughts?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 11:02, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

== YouTube tags ==
Would there be a way to make all of the YouTube tags link to their respective pages without having to add square brackets around each one. It's a small thing, but if it's not that hard to do, it would save some time.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:49, 21 February 2007 (CST)

:Not only do I not know of a good way to do that, but I'm not 100% sure it's a good idea, since some pages have unique formatting issues, such as [[Thanksgiving]], which has a tag pointing to itself. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 19:00, 21 February 2007 (CST)

== General question about blog templates ==

It occurred to me that most if not all videos have a discussion thread in the forum. It might be nice to add a link to that thread from the info box. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 12:56, 22 February 2007 (CST)
:Yeah, doesn't the Op template have that already? It's a nice feature and I'm guessing it wouldn't be that hard to include it here also. But what the heck do I know? Where did you and Jay learn all this templature stuff? I'm so behind. =( [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:08, 22 February 2007 (CST)
::Believe it or not, I learned it here; I'm a fast learner. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:10, 23 February 2007 (CST)

== Malfunction? ==

I tried this template out for the first time today when I started the page for [[Cracked The File]]. I tried using the fields for "PreviousC" and "NextC" and it looks like they're backwards. When I put [[Men Are From Mars]] as "PreviousC" is came up as "Directly after" (and vice-versa when I tried putting it as "NextC"). I'd fix it, but since you can't really tell if it works until you save, I don't want to start making lots of edits trying to figure it out.<br>
Another thing is that when I use the "PreviousC" and "NextC", the plain "Previous" and "Next" items come up on the article even though there's nothing filled in for them. I feel obligated to use the old plain "Previous" because if I use "PreviousC" they'll both come up, whereas if I use "Previous", at least "PreviousC" disappears. I know what I just said might sound kind of weird... if I need to clarify anything, let me know.<br>
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 20:04, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:Ecch, it's not malfunctioning, the wording is confusing, I didn't realize it. "Directly after" as in "This video is ''directly after'' the video listed." Can I get a suggestion for better wording? As for "Previous" and "Next", those ''are'' set to be there always. If the previous video chronologically is also the previous in the series, then you shouldn't use "PreviousC". It's really supposed to be only for canon videos that are ''not'' part of the series, such as early Gemma and Jonas videos, and perhaps OpAphid/Tachyon ones, although the status of those is far from clear to me. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 02:55, 25 February 2007 (CST)

::Ohh, you're right. I remember having this discussion before when we were talking about how to merge the OpAphid videos (I think). Maybe we should switch them? We're conditioned to think that the video labeled "Previous" is a video prior to the one whose article were reading, so when we (ok, maybe just me) look at the video labeled "Directly after" we (I) think its directly after the one the article is about. I think what I'm trying to say is that "previous", "next", "previous by", "next by" all describe the vid that they are linking to, whereas "directly before/after" is describing the video of the current page, not the one it links to.
::I'm sorry that I'm bringing this up just now, because like I said, I do remember talking about this before, it's just that it never struck me. I guess I just didn't realize it confused me until I went and tried to make one for [[Cracked The File]]. It'd be helpful if others commented here on what works and doesn't work for them (Hear that, everybody?). After all, it could just be silly me.
::[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 11:30, 25 February 2007 (CST)

:::I don't think it's just you, I don't like it either. Perhaps "Directly follows"? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 12:18, 26 February 2007 (CST)

::::I think just switching them would work, but "Directly follows" is a good option. I wish more people would share their opinion though, I'd like to know what the general feeling is. I'd like to be able to use that field to incorporate the OpAphid and Tachyon vids so people know where they fit in chronologically. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:08, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::I think switching them would be a good idea, especially since those fields are only being used in a few videos right now. "PreviousC" would just mean the previous video chronologically and "NextC" would mean the next video chronologically. That way "previous" always means before and "next" always means after. And these fields would only be necessary if they were different than "Previous" or "Next".--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:13, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::: I have no particular preference as I prefer to navigate from the [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos]]. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:14, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

== Status? ==

Given the fact that we now have to deal with this mind-boggling cr-- ...err...this wonderful new presentation technique by The Creators, I vote for adding a '''Status:''' field between Description and YouTube Tags. If it defaults to "Public", all 160+ previous videos are automagically fine, and the status of future videos can easily be recognized without having to scan the description.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 08:19, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

:Should we make the "Status" field appear in the older videos, or should we only add it to videos that were released with the designation? Since it wasn't a distinction previously, I'm not sure that we should retromagically apply it to the older vids. Either way we should definitely add it to the template for current use. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 14:02, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
::Retromagically, that's a great term! I would also favor making it an optional field though, so that if the videos don't have a Status the field should just not show up. I think that the status of the older videos was purposefully ambiguous. At first, Bree thought her parents didn't know she blogged. Then OpAphid starts watching her vids. Then we find out Gemma does. Then apparently her father knows about them too. They're public in the sense that they're not protected, but they were not necessarily intended for Op's, dad's and Gemma's viewing.
::The status field should be kept simple. "Private" if it's like a diary entry; "Private transmission" and "Recipient" if it's a message for someone; "Public" if it's, well, public.
::[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 00:40, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
: i think everyu video should have a field, and that it should who the video was sent to and what kind of video, not just if its public or private. some examples would be '''Public YouTube VLog''' (all the videos that in the breeniverse were uploaded to YouTube initially, regardless of where they appeard first in the real world), '''Private MySpace Vlog''', '''Encrypted Email Message''', '''Secure uploud to OpAphid Server, for groups with Level 7 clearence''', whatever. - [[User:Misty|Misty]] 14:41, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

::Okay, from recent videos it seems like there are two fields we should probably add: faction and status. I think these fields should be optional and only included on videos where these things are specified in the description.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:10, 3 April 2007 (CDT)

:::Yeah, we need faction and status. I agree they should be optional and only included when the videos specify as such. Another thought: someone requested awhile ago that we allow the template to include length. I'm not opposed to the idea, though I'm skeptical that anyone has the energy to go through adding the lengths to the 150 odd videos. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:23, 4 April 2007 (CDT)

::::I tried to add the fields, but it doesn't seem to be working correctly. If someone a little more template savvy could fix it, that'd be great. As far as the length field, I'm open to adding it as optional, then if someone wants to add the lengths, more power to them.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 11:42, 4 April 2007 (CDT)

== Move Blog4 to Blog? ==

I was wondering, if we moved Blog4 to Blog, would the links automatically update, or would we need to edit each one? Now that we are using Blog4 for all the videos, it would make more sense to just call it Blog, since the earlier template was deleted. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:08, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

:Well, they wouldn't automatically update, but I could change them all with the [[User:LGBot|LGBot]] relatively easily. I don't know if the change is absolutely necessary, but I guess it wouldn't hurt. Other thoughts?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:11, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
::Well, I always found the Blog[number] naming kinda confusing...I keep asking myself, "why make blog, blog2, blog3, blog4, if only one is used?". If there is only one official LG15 blog template, it should reside at Template:Blog. Having it at Template:Blog4, when 1, 2 and 3 aren't used, only confuses people.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

:::I tend to agree. I think we can go ahead and make the change soon unless anyone is really opposed to it.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:10, 11 April 2007 (CDT)

::::Okay, this is done. And now that "length" has been added to all the videos, I'm making it a required field. Every video has one, and it will be easier to spot if it has the label but no actual length.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 09:04, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

== Location ==

I think that the template should have somewhere to put the Location, now that our location pages are looking good. Thoughts? <span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">  '''•Silver•'''  </font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 10:46, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
:You know, the location that the video took place in. Thoughts? [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 13:05, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

::I think that's a good idea, but we'll probably want to consider that a video could take place in more than one location. Also, there will be the task of going back and adding all the locations to the video pages. I like the idea though because it should give the locations pages more visibility and add a little more useful info to the video pages.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 13:59, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

::I like the idea too, but like Jon said, it might be difficult when there's more than one location.. or a location that's unspecified/unimportant (like [[Rockin' the Boat]]... where IS that exactly??) I concept I think this is a really good idea, though, and if someone can figure out a good way to execute it, I'm all for it! Oh, and I don't mind going through and adding locations to the older videos.. hell, I (mostly) did it for [[:Category:Videos by length|the lengths]], so eh, this is just another thing "to do". Lol yeah. And hey Jon, nice to see ya again!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:15, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

:::More than one location, we could have commas, or "This location" & "That location." I really think this could work. We wouldn't automatically link the text to an LGPedia page, because if it's like [[Rockin' the Boat]], we don't really know where it is. Those former OpHead sleuthers could probably figure it out in no time. And for the unknown locations, how about the "location" form is just optional. So we don't have to have "Location:Unknown" on a bunch of video pages. Like Zoey, I don't mind going through and adding locations either. <span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">  '''•Silver•'''  </font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 11:24, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

Re: A New Lead

2007-07-07T16:33:40Z

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'''Re: A New Lead''' is the sixth video in the [[LOSTchild17]] video series.

==Transcript==

'''Lizzy:''' Hey guys. I'm here. Finally. It's gonna be so creepy because YouTube is really being very difficult with me, and it won't let me upload stuff, so hopefully you guys see this. (''Sirens are heard in the background.'') Um, let's see, I'm all doom and gloom, yes I am, or gloom and doom, or I don't know. Whatever. Um, I'm gonna make this very quick 'cause I just wanna vent and get it out. My dad stopped drawing blood, right? Good? No. Not so good. Well good, but anyway, he said that he was going to give me vitamin shots. But now he says I don't need them because everything is perfect. Okay, so we got the blood test results back, and the only reason I know they're back is 'cause they're always in the same envelope, and they always have the same sign or stamp on them. My mom took them into his office, so I decided to do some litll-- some lill-- why can't I talk? Okay, so I decided to do a little snooping. How do you think that turned out? Well I found some papers, um, one of them had my name on it and the other one had... Barbara's? Becky? I don't know, this other girl's name on it. And I didn't really understand what they said, but both of them had "positive" written in the top corner, which can either mean I'm positive for something good, or positive for something bad, which is actually negative. Anyway, and my lovely tutor walks in, and we go out to study some more. Ugh. Gag me. But anyway, I didn't think anything of it until my dad came home that night and locked everything. I mean, his office everything. I mean, everything in his office. His office is now locked! Just put it that way. Yeah, so my tutor's a snoop, my dad doesn't trust me, and there's still millions of people buzzing around here. The only thing is, now they're happy. (''She makes a face.'') Woohoo. Anyway, that's all for now, I'm just so sad and angry and irritated... I'm done venting. Okay. That's all. Bye guys.

==Notes==

*Lizzy is wearing the same shirt in this video as in the last one.

*Lizzy has an apparent typo in her tags; LOSTchiold17 should read LOSTchild17.

*When Lizzy said that one of the papers had a girl's name on it that started with "B", she is probably talking about [[Bree]].

*When Lizzy said that she was "positive," that means that she is trait:positive, which is why the Order wants her.

LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony

2007-07-07T14:40:24Z

72.77.92.54: /* Addition of KateModern to LGPedia */

[[Image:GustaveCailbotteThe Balcony1880-Cropped.jpg|left|thumb|150px|A couple of [[LGPedia]] admins ([[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] & [[User:Psmith|Psmith]]) take a breather to admire the view from [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

[[Image:Lucy's_Balcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Your friendly [[LGPedia]] admins, [[User:Brucker|Brucker]], [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]], and [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] enjoy an unseasonably warm {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} afternoon on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

Welcome to '''Lucy's Balcony''', a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the [[LGPedia]]. This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns. To start a new thread, [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&action=edit&section=new click here]. Please remember to sign your posts by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end.

For old or inactive conversations, visit [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive|Lucy's archive]].

[[Image:snowwhitebalcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|[[User:Zoey|Zoey]], one of your [[LGPedia]] admins, frolics with the doves on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

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== Unused images ==

In cleaning up location pages I've orphaned a rather large number of images. The location pages had an unfortunate tendency to just include random screen-shots from videos that had absolutely nothing to do with the location. I've been cutting them out. Do we want to have an unused image assessment of some sort? Use the good ones, and just delete the lousy ones? We really don't need to keep hundreds of unused images laying around. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:06, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
:Well I think that you should delete the unused images, that don't look like they can be useful, to add to later articles or updates. Several times I went to an image category to find an image for an article. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 17:40, 15 May 2007 (CDT)

== General deletion/inclusion guidelines ==

As a result of the discussion on [[Template talk:HoverTOC]] and also somewhat on [[LGPedia:Tasks#LordGreystoke422's videos]], I think it's high time we figured out exactly what our deletion and inclusion policy is here. Currently our [[LGPedia:Deletion Policy|deletion policy]] is rather minimal and very much open to interpretation. There was a discussion about this on [[LGPedia talk:Deletion Policy]] quite a while back, and most of that is probably still applicable, but I have a feeling people will have some new ideas as well. I think the best way to handle the inclusion aspect of this would be to create a list of criteria that are necessary in order for an article to be included here. What we don't want to do is turn into Wikipedia here, but having some generals guidelines wouldn't be a bad idea. Another issue is deletion, which I suppose is very related to inclusion. I guess we could also have a list of reasons for why an article should be deleted, and maybe another list for reasons that ''aren't'' enough for an article to be deleted. Really, this is very open-ended, but I would ''love'' if people would get involved in the discussion here. To put in my two cents, I think a good first point for inclusion would be that it is related to Lonelygirl15 in some way. How closely related it would have to be is a point of discussion I guess, but that's a start at least.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:39, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:Okay, for me, I think that with fan videos, you should kind of look at what the purpose of the videos is, how they tell their stories, and what kind of stories are being told. Like I think videos that seem to be "going somewhere"... like distinctive stories with distinctive arcs may be better with just large summary pages that people can read. It makes it much easier to follow those kinds of stories when things are all laid out in one place. Like, LG422... and GC and such. Those are the kinds of stories I mean. However, with things like say... aaronbeast, where they're kind of... response videos.. or videos that don't really follow a specific story but kind of adapt based on what's going on in the [[Breeniverse]], those should get their own video pages. That's how ''I'' would view it... although I'm not entirely sure that made sense... hopefully it did. :P I'd love people's thoughts please!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:31, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

:I've gotta say, while I did negatively notice this before, when I was looking through the templates to catalogue them, I was once more reminded how many fan-created series have pages here.
:That is not bad per se, but, without going to sound arrogant or anything...many of them are just not noteworthy.
:Example - chosen randomly, not a personal attack: [[Linsy]]. We have a page on her, three video pages with transcripts, and even [[:Category:Linsybeast's blogs]]. And you know what? I have no idea who the fuck that is.
:Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against fanfic, fan participation, or anything. But I think we should set a certain standard of "noteworthyness" before listing people here, at least on more than one general site. Stuff like HSAO gained a lot of user traction, and Dr. Immant's videos apparently were quite well done and well-received by fans (never seen them) - but we don't have to have entire catalogues of every video every LG15 fan once did, just because they pretend to be in the Breeniverse.
:Another thing is useless occupation of space; example: There is a hardcoded sidebar-template for "GuillotineCalamity", which means that sidebar is fixed for that video series and cannot be used by anyone else. What's it used for? Two pages that contain barely more than "Transcript incomplete". Check out [[:Category:GuillotineCalamity]] - the five season subcategories are all empty, and [[GC Seasons]] does nothing more than link to these empty categories. Apparently, at least according to the main page on that topic, there actually were quite a lot of these videos. Where are they? Why do we need five categories and a sidebar, if all we have on that series other than the main page are two video pages with no information?
:Like I said, don't get me wrong - I have nothing against fan fiction. But what we're currently doing is like accepting every little essay a grade schooler once wrote into the Great Library of Alexandria. We are flooded with pages that, quite frankly, don't interest anyone but the authors...and maybe two or three other people.
:I don't know exactly ''how'' to solve this problem, maybe by requiring a certain amount of hits on a single page, before branching out is allowed or something, but I think the overall quality of this encyclopedia suffers from this. While fan fiction most definitely is an important part of LG15, this is the official encyclopedia on the official site, sometimes visited by The Creators themselves through their Admin account - I think it should focus on important and official stuff first, and ''then'' on fan faction and trivia. Right now, we have some important core pages, like List of Videos, the video pages themselves, List of Characters and the character pages, and a whole lot of crap that is fun to have, but takes focus away from the efficient administration and care for the important pages. Do we really need a page on [[H.P. Lovecraft]]? As far as I'm concerned he has had ''no'' major influence on the canon. He has enjoyed, ''perhaps'' some passing references, but ''that's nothing special''. Hundreds of videos everyday do that. But they link to Wikipedia instead of writing their own page about him. [[Dava Sobel]]. wtf do we need that for? It's a one line note, ''and'' it's been said on the video page for [[Proving Longitude Wrong]]. There is no reason to have that page.
:Okay, I think you got my point here - it's late, so I'll move on.

:Deletions. Yeeees. Zoey has ignored me for the past few days, so I guess it's evident I have quite some strong feelings on this topic. Most of them I have already posted, so let me just sum things up quickly:
:I have nothing against deletions as such. In fact, I myself have given good reason for the deletion of both Template:PageHeader and [[Template:Clr]], after this whole orgy was over - see the respective talk pages. What I was, and still am, annoyed by is the notion that a template should be deleted just because it's currently unused. A template is a convenience thing. A tool. Do you throw away your hammer just because you don't use it at a given point in time, and then get it back out when you actually use it? I think not.
:If a template is useless and will most likely ''never'' be used, fine - kill it. But if it's a useful little thing, why delete it, just because ''right now'' nobody is using it?

:The discussion also revealed a kind of weird view of deletion around here - apparently, it means nothing. The stance here seems to be to delete something if it's currently unwanted, and to restore it if it's wanted again. And that just takes the use and meaning out of it. A deletion should be a strong statement that the page is not wanted anymore. Instead, it's being used for a crude form of giving the appearance of order - similar to a child that gets the order to clean his room, only to shovel all his toys under his bed. Sure, it looks clean, but as soon as he'll need the toys, he'll get them back out.
:I am not against restoring, I said that. But it should be a tool rectify a mistake - not an action as common as opening a page.
:In fact, this stance is probably connected to what I mentioned above - ''we have too much crap lying around here''. If pages were reduced to essentials and semi-essentials, it'd be a much harder decision to delete anything, simply because it'd have a major impact on the information presented. Instead, an admin can delete half the pages here without fear to destroy anything important - 90% of all users would still find exactly what they want.

:It's two o' clock in the morning, so I'll stop here. I know I didn't present any solutions, but maybe it's better to hear your reactions first anyway. Don't be shy, and don't be afraid to use whatever language you might find necessary. Just remember that we're talking about administrative issues here, not friendship or community. This is not, at least from my point of view, about whether or not somebody's feelings might get hurt if his pages are deleted (be it "my" templates, [[Linsy]]'s blogs, or carefully crafted pages over totally insignifcant details), but about how to get a certain sense of order in this thing, and setting a certain standard of quality.
:You cannot accept everything if you want the average to be good. The question is just if you have the balls to turn people down if it's necessary.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:09, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:<small>*looks up* ...oops. [[Template:Quote]], if anyone is crazy enough to reply.

:BAH, Zoey, out of my line of post! '''[Editing conflict resolved]'''</small>

::@Zoey: Hmm, that's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure it would really work. I don't think it would be too fair to say that a certain series shouldn't have video pages just because it has the "story" format that you're talking about. Similarly, there's no reason that a rather minor fanfic video should get its own video page just because it doesn't have that story format. I think the criteria should be something like popularity, connection to LG15, probability of canonicity, etc.

::@Renegade: I think you raise some good issues. Firstly, I agree with you about the problem with notability of videos. I think when the whole [[List of New Girl Candidates|new girl]] thing was going on, every possible "new girl" was given a page, and all of their videos started to be transcribed. This has created a lot of probably-less-than-notable fan blog pages that people may not be that interested in. I think a good solution might be to figure out which ones are actually notable (perhaps page-view count as you suggest or maybe something else), and then determine if we need the transcript pages or just one page for the character that could give a summary of their blogs and general information on them. That way, the notability or important of a fan series is reflected here by how much space, time, effort, etc. we put into it. Again, it might be hard to determine the "notability" factor, but I'm sure we could come up with some method to do so.

::As far as the waste of space, the reason that happens (at least from my point of view) is that we hate to undo someone's work because we either 1) don't want to hurt their feelings (a lame reason really) or 2) think they might come back to it at some point in the future. It's a little similar to the templates you created, Renegade. We see that someone has created something which looks like it could be useful, but isn't really being used yet. We're skeptical about deleting it, and yet it seems like it would help clean up if we do. I think just better communication all around would help solve this problem. We shouldn't be afraid to ask people why they created a certain page, template, category, etc. as long as it's done in a considerate way. If there is a genuine good use for what they have done, then they can explain it. If it was done on a whim or we decide it's not necessary or there's a better way to organize the information, then it can be deleted or reorganized.

::And really, I agree with you about the deleting/restoring thing. What I was trying to say before is that ''if'' a page gets deleted because no one sees a good use for it, then we can ''fix'' the mistake of deleting it by restoring it. I was trying to point that that deletion isn't that big of a deal because it can be undone. Of course, if we think we're going to be restoring something later, then of course we shouldn't delete it. I hope this makes sense, and I'll try to explain better if it doesn't.

::One final word. You're right that we're not talking about friendship or community here, and I agree that people should be free to express their opinions openly. Sometimes, though, this can turn into a war between people rather than between those people's ideas. I encourage everyone to not take anything personally here. As I'm so fond of saying, we're all working toward the same goal, so please remember that and never assume that someone is attacking you personally. Any and all personal attacks here will '''not''' be tolerated, so let's try to not make that an issue. That said, let's continue to have a helpful discussion that will make this place better for everyone.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 12:22, 9 June 2007 (CDT)

Okay I just wanted to say, my idea was for how to handle videos once they're already gotten the stamp of approval to be on the page, based on whatever criteria we set. Because like Renegade said, the GC videos and the CIW vidoes all have video pages, but really arent used. So um, if based on our criteria to get something on the site in the first place, they're still good, I think we should look at the things I mentioned before, and perhaps decide that they don't need video pages, only summary pages (like LG422 videos as well). As far as WHAT those criteria are, I don't really know...

And Renegade, I haven't been ignoring you. I've been reading everything you say very closely. The strength of my opinions on these topics, however, doesn't even come close to yours, so it is difficult for me to give you worthy responses. But I am reading what you are saying and just... trying to take a step back and examine all viewpoints before I give any input on what I think should be done for what things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:46, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Pinging Zoey with 478 bytes of data:
Reply from Zoey: bytes=1006 time=563040000ms TTL=255

:hehehe :D
:Nah, seriously...thanks for replying at all. Although I now feel like a fundamentalist radical on the topic of deletions, it at least gives me the hope I didn't piss you off for good. I do see some irony in the fact that Template:PageHeader still exists, though, given that even I am for its deletion now. :D
:Aaaand that brings us back on topic (ain't I good?): It's dead. Nobody wants to talk, but us. So I propose we do the stuff suggested below, to make people aware of what we're discussing above. Sound like a plan? Good. I'll try to code/design something and ... '''Update:''' I did code something, behold it on [[LGPedia:Participate]]. But now my favorite admistress (or one the other demi-gods) would have to go to [[MediaWiki:Recentchangestext]] and add <nowiki>{{LGPedia:Participate}}</nowiki>, as I lack the power to do that. Make sure to add it outside of a block of text though (first thing on the page at best) as everything else fucks it up. Took me three revisions to figure out the template was fine, and the the positioning was to blame. -_- And adjust the top-margin when it's added, I had to guess for now.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:35, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

:: It's looking really good. I think [[:Category:Featured article nominees|featured articles]] and [[:Category:Proposed Merges|proposed merges]] should also be added... and probably some other stuff I'm not thinking of ATM. I'm assuming it doesn't update automatically though? So people will have to really be on top of it. Oh, and also, I think the text under Participate should be bigger... for those of us who are blind *cough*. I'll see about adding it to recent changes, but I generally fail at that kind of stuff anyways, so it might be better to wait for another admin to come along and make it look nice...
::And um, yeah, I'm going to go delete PageHeader now :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:12, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

:The fact that "Renegade" does not know "who the fuck" [[Linsy]] is, is pretty unimpressive criteria for deleting anything a fan has taken the trouble to add to LGPedia. I think the opinion as expressed here is incredibly arrogant and hostile to community (comments such as "grade school", "crap", "having balls" etc. do not inspire confidence). My personal opinion is that unless you are running into some hard technical issue such as exceeding storage space (which is usually absurd these days, but possible), there is very little justification to delete contributions made by occasional posters or those outside the core LGPedia group. That is the opposite of what you should be doing. Add structure? Absolutely. Move really random/disconnected items off to an orphanage for lost pages (or equivalent) sure. But don't delete, and leave a link (comprehensive note on a talk page or comment in history or *some* obvious path to finding the moved article without having to contact a staff member - I'm not sure what the best solution there is).

:There are growing and independent circles of fans, who are every bit as invested and involved in their segments of the Lonelygirl15 community as the few LGPedia mainstays, and the vitality of this effort depends on the confidence that time invested in posting here will not be discarded by someone with a different idea of what is important. That kind of editing would be disrespectful and foolish. My contributions here have been minor, and may not even fit in with your concepts (I don't know), but if I put something here and linked to it from off site, and came back later to check for updates, etc. and found my work silently deleted, I would be angry. That kind of move should be made with the utmost care and respect.

:So address the issues, but find a better solution than deleting even relatively trivial contributions from fans. You never know when they will come back to expand on or edit their work, possibly becoming more significant contributors later. You folks have a great thing going here - there is no need to alienate the occasional contributors. First contributions take the most effort sometimes, and should not be undervalued.

:Maybe a better editorial concept is to think of a core set of pages (a trunk and main branches) that are tightly controlled, surrounded by a cloud of satellite pages (twigs and leaves) that are a bit wild and unruly, with a few orphans that fall to the ground, but are still down there somewhere. ~ [[User:QtheC|QtheC]] 08:15, 24 June 2007 (CDT)

::So wait, let me get this straight...you wait for eight days, to attack a sentence in a post that's almost three weeks old, over a fact that was clearly introduced with "chosen randomly, not a personal attack"?
::Riiiiiight. Were you bored, or just in an aggressive mood?
::Everybody else got fine that it was an example to illustrate the issues with noteworthyness we have here, and the fact that you can only fight it by dragging it down to a personal level and attacking my credibility just proves to me that I raised an undisputable point; you may not like it, but fact is: In all probability, said "Linsy" adds nothing to the Breeniverse.
::Yes, it is nice to have devoted fans, and yes, the fan interaction in and with this series is great - but that does not automatically mean that the official encyclopedia has to include every single video by every user that slightly, remotely connects to the topic. I have nothing against including notable fans on LGPedia. If a video series gained a big viewership, like the several Cassies or HSAO, or some of the OpAphid analyzation vids, fine, include them - they ''are'' important to the community around the series, and, as such, important to the series.

::But, no matter how arrogant you'd like to interpret this, ''reality'' is: The latest vid of that "Linsy" person has 71 views. It has a page with nothing but a sidebar, and it's a shaky video of her or her character's birthday "partay". Okay. Typical YouTube content. Fine to be online. But why the hell does it have to be on LGPedia? Is it of great importance to the canon? Nope, she's not canon. Is it of great importance to the fandom? Nope, it's had 70 views before I just clicked. Is it an exceptionally well-crafted page? Nope, it's one line with a sidebar.
::She may be a nice person, and her videos might even be funny - but, as of this moment, there is nothing exceptionally significant or notable about them that'd require us to list it here. And the positive effect of having ''everything'' listed gets outweighted by the negative effect of having ''almost everything'' look like crap.

::Even if you wish to list each and every tiny little fanvid, what's the use of listing them if their page says nothing? Let's say we let that page stay as it is. What is the great advantage gained by users through this? Is it that, of nineteen videos existing, only four are listed? Or that, of these four, one fourth doesn't have a transcript? Or that they can read a transcript at all?
::Who is, realistically, going to read a transcript of some girl's fanfic blog?

::You can call me arrogant all you want, whoever lives in reality sees I'm not trying to belittle that girl, but to be realistic. It is great she's active in the community, and it takes a great deal of courage to tape a video and put it out there for everyone to see. But the fact that she's a fan with a video alone doesn't make her or her video significant enough to be put up on the official site next to the information on official videos.
::We should focus on information important to the Breeniverse and the fandom. And some girl's birthday party, as nice as she may be, just has nothing to do with. The maximum effect that page will have on unintroduced users will be that they wonder how she is tied into the series, and get all confused.
::'''Added to reply to addition''':
::That may be a nice idea, but the problem is, would care for the twigs and orphans. We'd have hundreds of unmaintained pages laying around, building a "cloud of crap", so to speak, around the important entries. If someone maintained these pages, it'd be a different issue...but people won't. You can hope and dream all you want, a "lowly" fanfic-video-page just isn't gonna get the same editorial attention as an official video page.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:12, 24 June 2007 (CDT) '''[Editing conflict resolved]'''
::<small>And for the record, thanks to the new sidebar on recent changes, silent deletions are almost impossible now - unless someone disregards all procedures.</small>

::: This was the most idiotic dispute in the history of the Wiki. Just saying! --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:09, 1 July 2007 (CDT)

== "Have your say" page ==

I just had a read of the problems mentioned above (deletions etc.) and thought of an idea that might be of help to both this and other problems that arise from "normal users" scanning the last 50 recent changes to see what has been happening (thereby missing out when there have been lots more changes since they last logged in). I would propose having a LGPedia:Have your say page listed on the right hand column, perhaps under the "Recent changes". This page would then have links to all current discussions and votes that users may be unaware are going on at all, e.g. pic/caption votes, redesign comments, delete-tagged pages. This may help getting more people involved in decisions than at present (because they wouldn't necessarily be logging in as frequently as an admin, nor would they be visiting the various log pages that we know about). In addition, the delete period between tagging and deleting should be increased to 2 weeks (except where an admin is just rectifying a mistake).

This may not completely avoid the situation with deleted templates mentioned above, but if in addition we admins think twice in future before nominating something unused for deletion than that's probably all else we can do.

Having said that, as both [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] and [[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] have respectively pointed out, it is neither a big deal leaving pages that are unused alone until they become useful again, nor accepting that some pages which are deleted through lack of feedback can be restored afterwards. Let us not get heated about this either way. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:27, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

:I like that idea very much, Psmith. Renegade proposed something similar on [[Template talk:HoverTOC]], but I think this would work better. I think people see that column a lot and "Have your say" if a very self-explanatory phrase that should hopefully draw people in to have their say about things. We would have to make sure to keep this page updated or it wouldn't work, but if we can do that, then I think it should work great. As far as extending the deletion period from 1 week to 2, it really doesn't make a difference to me. If people think this would help solve problems with deletions, then I'm all for it. I'd love to hear others' opinions on both of these issues, so please feel free to pipe in with your support or objections.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 12:22, 9 June 2007 (CDT)
::[[Special:Recentchanges|BEHOLD]] what Zoey and I crafted together!
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:07, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Wow! [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 12:45, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

== Addition of KateModern to LGPedia ==

Hi everyone. [[Miles Beckett|Miles]] has requested via email that we make some changes to LGPedia to prepare for [[KateModern]]'s premiere later this month. The details are included in his email which I have included here:

{{quote|Miles|
As you know, KateModern is launching soon and I'd like to give you some information so you can revise the LGPedia accordingly. In our minds, the framework is as follows:

#LG15 is the Universe that includes lonelygirl15 and KateModern and future shows (The LGPedia should track the entire LG15 Universe)
#lonelygirl15 is the US show with the characters we all know and love
#KateModern is the UK show with a new cast and plot

We are redesigning the website to make the interface cleaner and also to display both shows. We're going to provide a link on the lonelygirl15 show page that goes to a lonelygirl15 "portal" in the LGPedia that would look similar to the current homepage of LGPedia. Similarly, we'll provide a link on the KateModern show page that goes to a KateModern "portal in the LGPedia that would look similar to the current homepage but would be all KateModern specific stuff. LGPedia would therefore need a new homepage that would provide links to these sub-page portals for each show, and a lot of the information that is already on the homepage since alot of this is more about the LG15 Universe.

Does that makes sense? I wanted to give you a heads up since KateModern launches in mid-July and we'd love if LGPedia was up to date by then. Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks!

Miles}}

My own thoughts on the issue are to not do anything too drastic until we reach a decision about what should be done and it all seems feasible. It looks like we'll need to create [[Portal:Lonelygirl15]] and [[Portal:KateModern]] (or names similar to these) as well as resurrect [[Main Page/redesign]]. I think a good goal would be to try to get this all done within about a week or so that it will be ready for the launch of KateModern. If anyone has any questions for Miles, feel free to post them here or on [[User talk:Jonpro|my talk page]] and I can send them on to him.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:54, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

:Hm, wow, this is definately a massive project. Maybe it would be best to have a ''really'' basic homepage that says something like "Chose Your Destination" with links to both of the girls and that be it? Or something very similarly simple. Maybe we can just keep the LG frontpage the same and make a copycat for KM with the links and stuff she needs. I'm kind of confused about how to determine what would be used for both though. I mean, it's not going to take place in [[Bree's bedroom]] or anything, is it? Where do we draw the line for what is LG15 and what is LG15 Universe? Hm, also I guess we could make like.. top categories to help make things easier to classify? Like a Category:KateModern, Category:Lonelygirl15, and a Category:Breeniverse (that contains stuff for both worlds?). I don't know, like I said, I'm having a hard time comprehending just how much of an overlap there will be, so its kind of hard to figure where to draw the line, but those were my intial thoughts at the idea. Let me know what you think...! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:03, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

:::::Zoey I totally agree - I think we should have a splash page, if you will, for the 'pedias. On the front page can be something simple, Kate -enter- and LG -enter- or however you want to present them. This page can be the "fancy" page, if we want, and it can look really good, and different from the 'pedia now if we're looking for something fresh. But the pedia works REALLY well set up as it is. I don't think changing it is a good idea. Not overall. As for the sharing sections, I think that we should just stick to having articles that are accessible to both pedias through common links. Don't get into three different pedias. Asking for trouble, that. Just stick to two pedias outlining two storylines, and the common lines between them will take care of themselves. [[User:MarlaSinger|MarlaSinger]] 17:42, 6 July 2007 (EST)

::I was wondering the same thing about the amount of overlap. If there really isn't going to be any interaction between the series, it makes sense to basically have two sections to the site, kind of like you're saying. I went ahead and sent Miles an email asking him how much overlap there will be, so I'll be sure to let you guys know what he says when I get a response.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:46, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

:::Okay, I got an email back from Miles and here it is (I think it's easier to just copy/paste than try to explain it in my own words):

:::{{quote|Miles|The characters "can" communicate with each other but it remains to be seen how much they will. Things like the Order, the Hymn of One, and all of that larger mythology will be in both series to varying degrees. Think of it like, the Order, HOO, the stuff about the blood, the girls, the Elders, etc. etc. are all the same across both shows. But, the characters and plot are different. Happy to answer any other questions. Thanks!}}

:::So I don't think we should try to "split up" LGPedia into two sections or anything, but I think we should definitely do something with the categories like Zoey suggested. Maybe we can go through and add "Category:Lonelygirl15" to at least some (maybe all?) of the pages here, and then start adding "Category:KateModern" to the pages that we create for the KM characters, locations, videos, etc. Other than that, it'd probably be a good idea to focus our energy on the "portal" pages and the Main Page. I think we have a lot of options for the Main Page, and it'd be nice to see something more than just a link to the two "portal" pages. A few ideas I can think of are:
:::#Split the Main Page right down the middle with LG15 stuff on one side and KM stuff on the other side.
:::#Keep the page looking a lot like we have it but add links to KM things as they happen. In other words, update the video list with videos from both series, add links to KM pages to the links list on the left, etc.
:::#Remove all "series-specific" information from the Main Page and put it in the lonelygirl15 portal page. The Main Page would then be about the LG15 universe in general so LG and KM followers could both find only useful information.
:::Now, for all of these, there would still exist the "portal" pages to get more detailed pages about the specific series. I really don't know what's best, and I'd love to hear peoples' thoughts about these ideas and/or other ideas for what to do here. Thanks!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:00, 4 July 2007 (CDT)
:I don't like the "splitting" simply becuase that'd be a little confusing, IMO. Again, I'm relatively new to wiki-editing, so if what I'm saying doesn't make sense, forgive me. But since it appears that the two shows will interact in ''some'' way, it seems reasonable for now if we simply keep the main page "as is" for the most part but under the "Breenverse" section we simply create two sections: "Lonelygirl15" & "KateModern." (everything currently under there would fit nicely into "Lonelygirl15"). With that huge list redesigned into a list of two, we'd have room to add any KM characters under the current LG15 characters (possibly with a different color to their names, i.e. not blue). Behind the Scenes, Site Features, and Unofficial Spinoffs would remain the same, I imagine. What'd be really cool if we could have the "LG15" in the corner to change to KM whenever you landed on a KM page (again, not sure if that's even doable, but I think itd be cool). Those are my thoughts for now . . . hope what I said didn't sound crazy. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 09:30, 5 July 2007 (CDT)
::Hmm... I was reading through this and I got an idea about splitting up the homepage but keeping all the stuff currently on it. Here's my idea: Move the "latest developments to the left side in between the ENCYCLOPEDIA (which we could change to read "LONELYGIRL15") and the Featured Article. Then, on the right create a "clone" of the left dealing with Kate Modern... I dunno. What do you guys think? -- [[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:20 6 July 2007 (EST)

::: I love this big picture, how do we organize everything sort of stuff. Almost makes me wish I were still around more, but I've been having so much fun at the {{Wikipedia|User:JayHenry|mothership}} that I rarely make it back here (and if any of you are ever looking to get more involved at the mothership, let me know, I'd love to help you find a niche!) So, as I understand it, KateModern will exist entirely within the same [[Breeniverse|universe]] but, just like real teenagers in L.A. and London, they will have little interaction, their lives will not affect each other much -- just like if a guy named Wixy gets some girl pregnant in London; Jay's life in, uh..., Miami, will be unaffected. Similarly, Wixy's bedroom ''exists'' in my universe, but it has no relevance to me whatsoever.
::: I think ideally you'd have Kate and LG15 latest video sections both on the main page somehow. For an idea like the portals, it might be best to have a [[template:Latest LG15 updates]] and a [[template:Latest KM updates]] and have both templates be transcluded on the Main Page and then one each on [[Portal:Lonelygirl15]] and [[Portal:KateModern]] respectively. That'd reduce the amount of redundant work, but I'll admit, I don't have a good idea for how to design the main page with two latest video sections.
::: Just some suggestions as I won't be around to implement any of it. I hope KateModern is a success, it'd be nice to have my interest restored, especially now that {{Wikipedia|Prom_Queen_(internet_series)|Prom Queen}} is over. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:09, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
::::Ugh, all you admins are abandoning me! I feel so alooonee </emo>. Haha well, either way it's nice to hear from you Jay... hopefully you'll be around a bit more... maybe? Your ideas sound good.. I'm just so confused about how to impliment them. I guess I'm still trying to wrap my head fully around what we're trying to do, so it's hard to figure out the best way to do it. It sounds like you've got some good ideas though (< To Everyone) and I'm anxious to see what kinds of things people come up with. As for right now, I think I'll just keep reading everyone's ideas until something sparks me.. or someone else, you know, figures it all out. I also made a post on the LGBlogspot directing people to this page, so who knows, we may get some new, fresh contributions soon! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:37, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:::::I like Jay's idea about using the templates. I will ''try'' to get that done later today if no one else gets it done first, but no promises. I'll also try to get some sample portal pages up today or tomorrow so that we have something to start with and maybe then it will be easier to work from there. As an aside, I really do feel bad about not being here as much, Zoey, but the demands of life are simply making it difficult. I think you're doing a great job considering we all did pretty much abandon you. Oh, by the way, has anyone heard from OiC recently?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 07:30, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

::::::Lol yeah, I know. Stupid "real life" taking all the fellow admins away from me! Hrmph! OIC was in the IRC chat the other night, he said he'd be on again soon.. but I haven't seen him since! And thanks! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 19:21, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:I think we should wait and see how KateModern is received before doing much - if it flops in the first week, there's no use redesigning half the encyclopedia.
:After all, LG15 was kind of new back in the day - by now, KateModern is just another internet series.
:(And given how the Creators failed to vary the plot arcs within ''one'' series already, I can very well see how people might recognize this as "Lonelygirl15 UK" and get bored because it's the same thing with different characters.)

:So, as said, I advocate waiting.
:But if you ''don't'' want to wait, I suggest replacing the "Encyclopedia" box on the main page with one LG15-specific and one KM-specific block, while updating the video-list with vids of both series.
:Splitting the page in half by series would look terrible.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:09, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:Lets see, they are in the same universe, lets see, fan fic is gonna blur the line faster then u can say wiki --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 11:36, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
::True. The acrowleyorder series has already made references to KateModern, and I'm sure about 50 will follow. Maybe it would be best to divide into three sections instead of Two (One being fanfiction) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:23 6 July 2007 (EST)

Simple solution:
1) on the left you have character pixs: the new page would have character pixs for both shows
2) below that you have Breeniverse which would stay the same but....
3) each of the items such as Characters would have an LG page and a Kate page (eg characters -lg15 and characters kate, locations-lg15, locations-kate etc (those can grow organically as needed as did the original pedia)
4) then on the right under latest developments videos for both series would be posted as they occur
--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 12:30, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:One thing I just realized: We can't include the KateModern Videos on the same list as the LG15 videos because of the way the number formatting works. KateModern Episode #1 would show up as LG15 Episode #230 or something. I like the merging of the "latest updates" but we should have separate video lists to avoid this problem (ex: two links at the bottom of the latest updates: List of all LG15 videos... and List of all KM videos... --[[User:FH14|FH14]]
::Well, they say that the KM vids will be appearing on the LG15 homepage (after appearing on Bebo). If they happen to end up in the same official videolist, then I guess that won't be a problem, FH14. But if they end up elsewhere? Oy. Is there a chance to simply keep the LG video count going, but have the KM videos under KM1, KM2, etc? Again, not sure if that's even wiki-possible, but that's my spiel. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 13:16, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

::I did some concepting, please state your opinion on [http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mainpageredesignok8.png this], everybody.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 14:32, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
:::I like it. although the Taylor overlap may be a problem. maybe if the info/video boxes were a bit wider? That would also allow more room if there are more than three main characters in KateModern. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 16:10 6 July 2007 (EST)
::::That layout is 850px wide. We need around 155px for the menu, which brings us to 1005px. That's the very, very maximum for a 1024x768px resolution. So I fear wider is not an option.
::::In a worst case scenario, we'll have to split and wrap the the image rows in the middle of the layout.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:16, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::Are you sure? The current homepage looks wider than the design to me. Of course, when it comes to pixels I'm clueless, so I may be wrong [[User:FH14|FH14]] 16:23 6 July 2007 (EST)
:::Renegade, can you do a design where the Encyclopedia box is split in half horizontally and the rest of the page looking relatively the same? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:45, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

Ok I know i haven't been around very much lately, but I'm still as opinionated as ever. I think Miles has totally the wrong idea how to structure the website. I think the loneleygirl15, should remain the site for the story about Bree , Katemodern should have It's own domain name. what we are currently calling the Breeniverse needs to have a name that isn't Breecentric, but encompasses KateModern the Order the HymnOfone etc. for the sake of clarity for the moment I'll call it the Dendraverse, though it probnably won't be called that. so this is how I would structure it Dendarverse.com will have have all the meta info about the Dandraverse and be a portal to lonleygirl15.com katemodern.co.uk (or whatever it's called), Hymnofone.org, and any other website within the Dendraverse. it will also have contain the dendraforums which will contain the currentl lonleygirl15 forums, the KateModern, forums. the Dendraverse Fanfic forums, etc. and it will also contain. it will also contain the Dendrapedia. The dendrapedia use the current Wkik, but will have a new main page which acts as a portal into will have a new main page which is a portal into LGpedia, KMPedia, FanficPedia, etc, the current main page will be moved to a new article called LGpedia, and function much the same way as the Aphidpedia page currently does. Similarly we will have an article called KMPedia that looks much the same but used a perhaps a Red color scheme. Except for the Home page all the domain names will operate synonymously using the same Forum and WiKi directories. I hope I explained myself clearly, the idea is pretty straightforward but I'm not sure I communicated it well. I do think this is the most logical way to go. --[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:15, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
:I'm sorry, Misty, but I disagree. I think that if there were two separate websites - lonelygirl15.com and katemodern.com - it would ruin the show. Some (but only a few) fans don't even know about KateModern yet, and if they had to go to katemodern.com to view it, then they would not know! And they would be missing out on a whole "sequel"-ish spin-off to lonelygirl15. And what you said about the Breeniverse not being so Bree-esque, I can understand that. However, I think Miles gave us basically a solution to that problem. Instead of the Breeniverse, we call it the LG15 Universe. Then again, that's still lonelygirl15-esque, but you get the point. We could do the Orderverse, the Hymn of One Universe... I don't know. It's the only way that seems possible to me. Making another whole website, katemodern.com, just seems to complicated to me. Plus making a whole wiki, KMPedia... it would seem so small compared to the LGPedia. My suggestion is that the '''Main Page would be very simple. The centered words "Choose Your Destination" with two arrows pointing to a picture of Bree, with the words "lonelygirl15" under it, and a picture of Kate, with the words "KateModern" under it.''' Then, the picture of Bree would redirect to our current Main Page. The picture of Kate would redirect to a KateModern-esque Main Page. Sure, we'd have to change a few things, like maybe the name of Lucy's Balcony, or the link to the List of Videos on the side. We could have a link to the List of LG15 Videos, and a link to the List of KM Videos. It just seems like lonelygirl15.com is where lonelygirl15 was born, and it should be where KateModern was born. Miles even said that they were in the process of redesigning lonelygirl15.com so that you can view both shows on it. I say we keep the name LGPedia, unless something major comes up, like a complete separation of lonelygirl15 from KateModern. [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 09:40, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

Where's Daniel?

2007-07-04T16:32:24Z

72.77.92.54:

{{Blog
| name = Where's Daniel?
| number = 0054
| image = BreeMap.gif
| caption = P. Monkey, where's Daniel?
| blogger = Bree
| date = October 19th, 2006
| url = [http://lonelygirl15.com/?p=84 lonelygirl15.com]
| forumid = 2195
| length = 1:00
| description = I tried calling his cell phone and talking to his parents but I don't know where he is and I'm really worried.
| tags = {{tags|LG15|lonelygirl15|daniel|danielbeast|worried|parents|missing|sad|purple|monkey|dance|boogie}}


| execprod = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried
| producers = Amanda Goodfried
| directors = Mesh Flinders
| vidplay = Mesh Flinders
| story = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, Greg Goodfried, and Amanda Goodfried
| editor = Kevin Schlanser and Miles Beckett
| song = Juan Manuel Fangio by Daniele Torelli


| cast =
{{VidChar|Bree|Jessica Lee Rose}}|
| actor2 = |
| actor3 =


| Previous = Daniel, Be Careful...
| Next = I'm Hiding Out
| NextC = Nut Kills Man
| NextB = I Lied To Daniel
}}
'''Where's Daniel?''' is the fifty-fourth episode in the Lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].

==Transcript==
(''Bree is lying on her bed with covers wrapped around her'')

'''Bree:''' Okay, Daniel, so assuming that you're watching this...I don't know where you are. I tried calling your cell phone several times yesterday and you didn't pick up. I called your house and [[Daniel's parents|your parents]] said that you went away with some friends. I know that you're probably upset with me right now but I'm worried about you. I need to talk to you. I just don't understand how things went this far. Why couldn't you have just listened to me? (''Bree adjusts the camera'') If you had just listened to me and just stopped making your videos when I first told you to then none of this would have happened. I don't even know where you are right now.

(''fast forward musical montage segment in which Bree and [[Purple Monkey]] examine a map of the United States laid out on Bree's bed, the phrase "Where in the world is Daniel?" displayed at the bottom of the screen'')

'''Bree:''' It's just not the same anymore.

==Notes==
*Bree is again wearing [[nail polish]] which is unusual for her.

Talk:Immant

2007-07-04T16:26:43Z

72.77.92.54: /* Immant HAS TO BE canon */

Are you sure we should give creedance to Immant possibly being at the ceremony?
After all, his site says he's from NY. We have no reason to believe he is in LA or went there just to be seen for half a second in the dark. [[User:71.224.243.78|71.224.243.78]] 16:16, 13 October 2006 (PDT)

I think this entry should go under other fanfic. I really don't think he was at the ceremony! Didn't see the NY reference, but the accent is clearly NY. And his webcam is cheap. - Milowent

:we know he wasn't at the ceremony, because a) he said he wasn't and b) we got a better view of the bald guy in on the run. but it was a theory, and it's relevant. i think it should be included - it was after all something that brought him attention.--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 20:44, 30 November 2006 (CST)

== Changing video links from YouTube to Revver. ==

I noticed the Immant videos all link to YouTube. Since the creators asked us to have videos linked to [[Revver]] whenever possible, I thought it'd be nice to fix that. Unfortunately, I can't quite figure out how to get the URL for them. Silly, I know. Can anyone help?<br>
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 20:50, 1 December 2006 (CST)

== Character Name ==

Although there is some flexibility as to how we do naming, within the official lg15 videos, character pares are listed under the name they refer to themselves rather than their user names. I think this page might need to be moved to [[Dr. Immant]], and this either made into a redirect, or a page about the series rather than the character.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 12:51, 4 December 2006 (CST)

I think a simple redirect sounds best. Dr. Immant does not need two pages.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 12:54, 4 December 2006 (CST)

== Tone? ==

While I like a lot of the information in the section on Traditionalists vs. Reformists, IMHO, the overall tone of it is too "biased" or "in character." Is that just me? I can see that Brucker's done some cleaning of the grammar in that section, but does anyone else think that the language needs a little tweaking to be more encyclopedic? ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 21:57, 19 January 2007 (CST)

:Sounds fair. You see, a lot of this information is from directly from the source, if you see what I mean ;), and that has its pros and cons. On the one hand, it's very complete, but on the other, it tends to take itself very seriously. So I do think it was good that you stepped forward and tweaked the article. Thanks for the good edits! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 12:12, 20 January 2007 (CST)

== Immant HAS TO BE canon ==

Take into consideration this. Immant's account was created the same day as [[Bree]]'s was. Even more canon-like: [[Gemma]] first tells us that the name of [[the Order]] is [[the Order]], yet [[Immant]] tells us that it is [[the Order]] long before [[Gemma]] did. Curious much? Did Immant just ''accidentally'' choose the right name? Immant = canon. I know it. I know it. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 18:18, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

:I hate when I give some plot-essential information and nobody responds. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 15:39, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

::Can somebody please respond? <span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">  '''•Silver•'''  </font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 15:18, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

:::I'll respond, but I can't really contribute much. I haven't seen very many of Immant's videos, but what you say is compelling. Are you suggesting we add something to the article or are you just pointing something out?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:55, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

:::Didn't immant come out long ago and admit he was fan-fiction? He is a frequent contributor on the forum. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:47, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

:::I wish someone would take the Dr. Immant series side by side with the canon videos at the time and document the foreshadowing, here's some more: at a time when it was thought to be a religion Immant said the Order was a secret society. At a time when Bree's father was portrayed as strict Immant said the Order felt he was conservative. Not to mention the aesthetic look of the character. Canon? No. Influential? Quite possibly. Maybe "fanon." Only the Creators know for sure.--[[User:Immortal1|Immortal1]] 16:09, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

::::I haven't seen very many Dr. Immant videos either, but do you think that the C's just named the Order the Order as a shoutout to Immant? I don't know. [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 11:26, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

OpAphid

2007-07-04T16:22:39Z

72.77.92.54: /* D in APHID */

{{One other use|the character/ARG|the acronym discussed in the official series by Bree and Gemma|OPAPHID}}
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'''OpAphid''' is a [[YouTube]]/[[Revver]] user who claims to be the leader of the Operation APHID division of [[the Order|the Order of Denderah]]. In addition to being an [[Alternate Reality Game]] created by [[Glenn Rubenstein]], OpAphid was once the official ARG of [[lonelygirl15]]. OpAphid used to be recruiting "the worthy" for a future conflict with [[the Resistance]], but currently, OpAphid is [[Following the Drugs - NBR Investigates|confirmed missing]].

==Origin of OpAphid==
[[Image:OpAphid.jpg|thumb|295px|Operation APHID's logo, which appears at the end of most videos.]]
OpAphid can be traced back to its first appearance, the video [[You Made the Right Choice, Bree!]], in response to Bree's [[My Difficult Decision]] video. OpAphid has since posted comments and videos to [[Bree]], [[Daniel]], and [[Cassie]]. These are generally warnings, some of them nicer than others, that insiniuate that OpAPHID is connected to Bree's religion, and that [[Cassie]] and Daniel should watch their step carefully.

==Is She Really Missing?==
OpAphid logged into her [[YouTube]] account on May 24th, 2007, leaving this message:

right there above you
right there above you
right there above you
Oh dear.
--
Rumors of MY death have been greatly exaggerated...
Some things are secret for a reason. There are people whose lives are dedicated to keeping
them that way.

The "Rumors of MY death have been greatly exaggerated..." was once thought to be a clue that [[Brother]] had not actually murdered [[Gemma]].

The message is also speculated to be a [[Cassie]]-esque sign off.

==Official [[Alternate Reality Game|ARG]]==
On November 21, 2006, [[The Creators]] [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3152 announced] that OpAphid is a 100% fan-created [[Alternate Reality Game]], but they liked it so much that they contacted [[Glenn Rubenstein|its creator]] and decided to make it the official ARG of [[lonelygirl15]].
However, on April 12, 2007, [[The Creators]] [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8664 announced] that due to recent downfalls with [[Glenn Rubenstein]], OpAphid would no longer be the official ARG.

While the official ARG, OpAphid [[Miss Me?|kidnapped and brainwashed Daniel]].

==Recurrences of OpAphid videos==
OpAphid's videos are layered to say the least.
There is the surface message of the written and spoken text, the deeper meanings of the text, the text and audio that takes homework, backwards audio, and hieroglyphics.

OpAphid also uses a false ending which appears as if the video has ended and gone to the related video links, but then returns to the real video again before ending. Usually the only thing after the false ending, is OpAPHID's logo.

OpAphid uses video tags, some [[strange tags|strange]], that often match [[Bree|Bree's]], [[Daniel|Daniel's]], or [[Cassie|Cassie's]].

==OpAphid agents and enemies==
OpAphid has two main enemies - [[Tachyon]], and her partner [[Brother]].

Also, OpAphid has agents that track down [[BDJ]] and often other people such as [[Tachyon]], [[Brother]], and [[Maddison Atkins]]. Agents include [[War Pylol]], and OpAphid herself.

==Operation APHID==
The letters in OpAphid are known to stand for the following things.

===A in APHID===
The A in APHID was solved to be '''Analysis'''.
<small>
*'''Clue:''' "The first step toward any solution? The A in APHID, of course."
*'''Corresponding video:''' [[Cassie Does Not R.I.P. (Rest In Peace)]], with the tags "A PAIN HID"
*'''Solution:''' Analysis
*'''Profile verifying solution:''' "The first step toward any solution? ANALYSIS. Analyze the data in front of you."

===P in APHID===
The P in APHID was solved to be '''Protect'''.

*'''Clue:''' "...While history is full of subtle clues toward greater secrets, some messages are meant to be taken literally--regardless of any deeper connections we might suspect. Above all others, the P in APHID is our greatest purpose..."
*'''Corresponding video:''' [[You Made the Right Choice, Bree!]], with the tags "HID IN APP"
*'''Solution:''' Protect
*'''Profile verifying solution:''' "To PROTECT is our greatest purpose, above all others. The importance of PROTECTION is essential to understand before any further progress can be made."

===H in APHID===
The H in APHID was solved to be '''Hinder'''.

*'''Corresponding videos:''' [[DO GO TO GOD, Cassie (for my helper)]] and [[Disclosure: Cassie. We Are "They"]], with the tags "HAD IN HIP"
*'''Solution:''' Hinder

===I in APHID===
The I in APHID was solved to be '''Infiltrate'''.
*'''Corresponding video:''' [[Disclosure: Cassie. We Are "They"]], previously with tags "HIP IN AID"
*'''Solution:''' Infiltrate
*'''Profile verifying solution:''' "[[Tachyon]] sought to INFILTRATE our organization. She attempted to use the I in APHID against us."

===D in APHID===
The D in APHID was solved to be '''Destroy'''.

*'''Corresponding video:''' [[Add Poe Hinder Vilification]] (from OpAphid agent [[War Pylol]]), with the tags "PAID HIND"
*'''Solution:''' Destroy
*'''Email verifying solution:''' (''from [[Puzzle (Language Labs)]]'') "In hindsight, it's a miracle we spotted that 'location verified, D in APHID' video in time to arrange for your safe passage to a secure location. Even though there were no casualties when the bomb detonated (sans the corpse we planted to fake your demise), it still doesn't change the fact that it was meant to DESTROY you.</small>

===Op===
The letters "Op" have not been confirmed, though the common concensus is that it stands for '''Operation'''.
However, many think it stands for Observe and Pursue.

===Full Solution===
According to these solutions, OpAphid stands for '''Operation Analysis Protect Hinder Infiltrate Destroy.'''

This solution is much different than the [[OPAPHID]] discussed in the official series by [[Bree]] and [[Gemma]], where it stood for: '''''A'''cknowledge their '''P'''osition and '''H'''elp '''I'''nitiate a '''D'''ialogue.''

==Controversies==
Not everyone is a fan of OpAphid, however.
<br><br>
The answer (phone number) to the [[Set of Five]] puzzle was kept secret for the first few hours after it was solved (at the request of OpAphid). We are told it was done to maintain the experience for those who wished to solve the puzzle themselves and earn the "well done" first heard upon calling the phone number. This left a bad taste in the mouths of many, both new players who don't understand why people aren't giving out the answers and veterans who aren't used to a PM who locks down their game to quite this level.
<br><br>
OpAphid has since stated that if there are to be any other "grace periods" on revealing the solution to a future puzzle, they will be limited to a span of 2-4 hours. Recent puzzles have had no such restrictions.

==Gamejacking ==
OpAphid has taken credit for [[gamejacking]] Cassie's voice mailbox. Evidence in the video, [[Cassie Does Not R.I.P. (Rest In Peace)]] proves she had the passcode, and complete control of the mailbox.
<br>

==List of OpAphid videos==
*[[You Made the Right Choice, Bree!]]
** ({{youtube|mVcgwBYwNp4|Watch}})
*[[DO GO TO GOD, Cassie (for my helper)]]
**({{youtube|JNbe9R7TgPw|Watch}})
*[[Everyone Hates Cassie: What a poor, lonely girl.]]
**({{youtube|AsGjGubGJak|Watch}})
*[[They Attack Cassie! Is Daniel Next? He Crossed the Line.]]
**({{youtube|oOdSIMZTV7w|Watch}})
*[[What ever happened to that girl, Cassie?]]
**({{youtube|dZYx7160Xek|Watch}})
*[[Cassie is Lying, Cassie Tells Lies]]
**({{youtube|k0rRRLonJLs|Watch}})
*[[Disclosure: Cassie. We Are "They"]]
**({{youtube|gAp4auNdeEI|Watch}})
*[[Which Side Are You On? (Keep This In Mind)]]
**({{youtube|Xyit0njiAmA|Watch}})
*[[Cassie Does Not R.I.P. (Rest In Peace)]]
**({{youtube|bwKImYI3O9k|Watch}})
*[[The Action of an Enemy - Be Careful]]
**({{youtube|FMmhb01nuI4|Watch}})
*[[Adventures in Babysitting]]
**({{youtube|u3gCliC7-gc|Watch}})
*[[Home Alone]]
**({{youtube|QtxH6ScrZeY|Watch}})
*[[The Ends Justify The Means]]
**({{youtube|_vzqPd3fCMs|Watch}})
*[[Lose Something?]]
**({{revver|151617|Watch}})
*[[Miss Me?]]
**({{revver|161454|Watch}})

==Notes==
*[[Everything You Need To Play OpAphid]]

{{aphidblock}}

{{CharIndex}}
[[Category:Unseen characters]]
[[Category:OpAphid]]

Bonas

2007-07-03T18:44:14Z

72.77.92.54:

A name created by fans supporting the [[Relationships|Bree+Jonas couple]], in the spirit of {{wikipedia|Bennifer}} or {{wikipedia|List_of_entertainers_by_nickname|Brangelina}}. To some, Bonas is always an added bonus in [[lonelygirl15]].

[[Category:Fan stuff]]

Template talk:Blog

2007-06-30T18:05:40Z

72.77.92.54: /* Location */

Spencer

2007-06-30T17:39:17Z

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{{Person
| name = Spencer
| image = Spencer2.jpg
| age = 22
| birthday =
| youtube = LAlabrat
| revver =
| myspace = la_labrat
| email = sgilman@neutrogena.com
| actor = [[Maxwell Glick]]
| first = [[What Up Blogosphere!]]
| last = [[What Up Blogosphere!]]
| color = forestgreen
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'''Spencer Gilman''' is [[Isaac Gilman]]'s son.

==Neutrogena==
He works for [[Neutrogena]] and was recognized as the Employee of the Month in July 2007 [http://www.neutrogena.com/spencer.asp]. He is a Research Scientist who has been with the company for 3 years. Prior to Neutrogena, he received his B.S. in Biochemistry from UCSD in a record three years, graduating in 2004. His area of study was ribozymes with a special focus on autocatalysis.

==Interests==
Spencer shares Bree's love of science, prompting his father to suggest that he mentor Bree. He also enjoys tennis, chess, music, and video blogging.

==Trait: Negative==
Through investigative work and help from members of the [[forum]]s, [[Taylor]], [[Daniel]] and [[Jonas]] were able to track down Spencer's [[MySpace]] and e-mail accounts and urged fans to contact him. They hoped that Spencer would have information about the serum his father, [[Isaac Gilman]] was making to help make [[Bree]] trait negative.

==Theories==
*[[Theories About Characters#Spencer_Gilman|Theories about Spencer Gilman]]

==External Links==
*{{forum|11799|Taylor asks us to e-mail Spencer}}
*[http://www.neutrogena.com/spencer.asp Spencer as Employee of the Month]

{{CharIndex}}

[[Category: Seen characters]]

Theories About Characters

2007-06-30T15:23:33Z

72.77.92.54: /* Spencer Gilman */

This page is used to track current theories about [[characters]], not including [[ARG]] characters such as [[Tachyon]], [[cassieiswatching|CiW]], etc.

===Bree===
*[[Bree]] and [[Jonas]] are siblings.
*Her full name is Bree Avery because her father's name is [[Bree's parents|Drew Avery]].
*She is a [[moonchild]].
*Now that Bree is apparently back with [[the Order]], she may do what she did in [[The Human Ransom]].

===Daniel===
*[[Daniel]] is needed for [[the Ceremony]].
*Bree will give the location of Daniel to [[OpAphid]] and he will be killed.

===Jonas===
*Jonas is Bree's brother.
*Jonas is needed for the Ceremony.

===Taylor===
*[[Taylor]] is a plant by the Order.
*Taylor is not biologically related to [[Sarah]].
*She is a [[Watcher]].
*She will use her knowledge of computer hacking to help take down the Order.
*She will go with Jonas to California to find Spencer.

===Sarah===
*Sarah is a plant by the Order.
*Sarah is jealous of Bree.
*Sarah is not related to Taylor by blood.
*Sarah, as a plant by the Order, is present to distract Daniel from the task of locating Bree.

===Bree's Mom===
*[[Bree's parents|Bree's mom]] is working against the will of Bree.
*She is putting the secret messages in Bree's blogs.
*She is working for [[OpAphid]].

===Drew Avery===
*He was never part of the Order.
*He was really working for [[the Resistance]].
*He is still alive and putting the messages in Bree's blogs.
*He died because he tried to make Bree trait negative (and so did [[Isaac Gilman]]).

===Alex===
*[[Alex]] will turn against the Order.
*She is torn between her loyalty to her religion and her loyalty to her [[Jonas|nephew]].
*Alex has done the Ceremony.
*When [[Lucy]] took Alex in [[The Perfect Beach]], she turned Alex over to OpAphid and Alex was killed.
*Alex is putting the messages into Bree's blogs

===Jonas's Parents===
*[[Jonas's parents|They]] are in hiding.
*They are being brainwashed by the Order.
*They will be found by Alex and help the Resistance.
*They are Bree's real parents.
*They are dead.
*They are putting the messages in Bree's blogs.

===Julia===
*[[Jules]] is not the [[New Girl|new girl]].
*Jules was a plant by the Order to get Bree.
*Jules is putting the messages in Bree's blogs.
*While Jonas is with Taylor, Julia will come and help them contact Spencer Gilman.

===Gemma===
*[[Gemma]] was really not part of the Order. They found her and forced her to help them.
*She lied about living in London to protect herself from the Order.
*Everything she says in her blogs are true.
*Gemma is still alive.
*Gemma is putting the messages in Bree's blogs.

===Lucy===
*Lucy is OpAphid or working for them.
*Lucy did the Ceremony.
*Lucy is putting the code in Bree's blogs.

===The Mistress===
*[[The Mistress]] is a member of the Resistance.
*The Mistress knows Bree.
*The Mistress is Bree's biological mother.
*The Mistress is in the Order and killed Isaac Gilman.
*[[Rebecca]] is the Mistress.

===Rebecca===
*Rebecca is the girl in the photograph with Lucy seen in the video [[Uncle Dan]].
*Rebecca sings the [[Hymn of One]].
*Rebecca staged [[Uncle Dan|the party]] to get information on Bree for OpAphid.

===The Party Guests===
*The party guests from the videos [[Uncle Dan]] and [[Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)]] were there to get information about[[BDJ]].
*The "rock star" is the same musician [[Bad Decisions|Gemma dated]].
*Toby is a member of the [[Hymn of One]], just as [[Carl]] and [[Sonia]] are.

===Bree's Biological Parents===
*Bree's biological parents are Jonas' parents.
*They died and the Order took Bree.
*After Bree was taken from them, they began working for the Resistance.
*They are pretending to belong to the Hymn of One and are putting the codes in Bree's blogs.

===Isaac Gilman===
*Isaac Gilman was Bree's real father.
*He faked his [[The Mistress|death]] after hearing Bree's dad was [[Bree's Dad Is Dead|dead]].

===Spencer Gilman===
*Spencer is Bree's brother.
*Spencer won't be able to help Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, and Sarah get Bree back.

===Nikki Bower===
*[[Nikki Bower|She]] will find where Bree is being kept and be brainwashed by the HoO.
**Alternatively, OpAphid will kill her.

===The Watchers===
*The Watchers are protecting BDJ, not trying to kidnap them.
*The Watchers are putting the messages in Bree's blogs.
[[Category:Theories and speculation]]

Talk:Going Home

2007-06-17T18:46:52Z

72.77.92.54: /* Faction!?!? */

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|-
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| style="background:white"|[[Image:0213-BreeLostInTheWoods.jpg|125px]]
|-
|}
[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 22:52, 15 June 2007 (CDT)
</center>
== Lying ==

She keeps looking down to the left...which most likely means that she doesn't mean what she is saying. Hopefully Jonas will get to her first. I'm sure he knows exactly where she is. --[[User:Nobackspacebutton|Nobackspacebutton]] 06:21, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

== Cell phone ==

So, I guess this was uploaded from her cell phone (hence the minimal editing and crap-ish sound; plus, the monologue just implies that it was her cell phone). Is this note-worthy? --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 23:16, 15 June 2007 (CDT)
:Cell phones are getting better and better vid quality. Perhaps like the iPhone?? :runs away, laughing insanely, playing a kazoo: :LOL: --[[user:Nieriel.Manwathiel|Nieriel.Manwathiel]]
::Not the kazoo! Anything but those damn things Dx - DL
:::Dammit, not another one! *Picks up a cricket paddle*
::I think she did use her phone for this because she says it will be the last chance that she can use her cell phone in the description
If she had her cell phone the whole time why didn't Jonas or someone call her Dx She might not pick up but I wonder if they even tried that. --[[User:Demented Llama|Demented Llama]] 10:24, 17 June 2007 (CDT)
== Is that Sarah's Hoodie ==

It looks like the hoodie that Sarah was wearing in "No Trespassing." Is Bree a dirty clothing thief :O!
more importantly, does a hoodie count as a hat? probably not. but it is interesting, right? - [[user:platypusrex256|platypus]] june 16 2007
:I hope the hoodie counts as a hat. Quite frankly, Bree's been out of her mind with no explanation for it... If she was actually using this to trick the Order, maybe it would start making some sense. --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 11:47, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
::I'm not convinced that it's the same hoodie. Though the color is similar, there seems to be a thicker, more ridged border around the hood of Bree's. It could just be the different lighting, but they look different. Besides, when has Bree ever had trouble getting new clothes out of nowhere, with no money, in the wilderness? ;-> ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JB<small>SHRYNE</small>]]''' 15:29, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

== Faction!?!? ==

Anybody else think the faction shouldn't be the order? I mean, Bree is still aggainst the order if she isn't "brainwashed," she is just for the Hymn of One.[[User:70.113.85.225|70.113.85.225]] 17:04, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

:The faction listed is based on what the Creators list the faction as on the video page. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:05, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
::I know that:] I just think the creators chose wrong.[[User:70.113.85.225|70.113.85.225]] 22:50, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
:::And by the way, the [[Hymn of One]] is like a "recruiting branch" for [[the Order]]. Hymn of One + the Order = same people. [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 13:46, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

The movie theater

2007-06-16T20:37:43Z

72.77.92.54: /* Location of the movie theater */

{{Locations
| name = The movie theater
| image = NBR005-NikkiNextToFilmPosters.jpg
| appearances = *[[Date With P. Monkey]] - {{init|Bree}}
*[[My Day at the Movies - NBR 5]] - {{init|Nikki Bower}}
}}
In the video [[Date With P. Monkey]], [[Bree]] leaves [[Daniel]] at [[Motels#The second motel|the second motel]], and goes to a '''movie theater''' at a nearby mall with [[P. Monkey]]. [[Nikki Bower]] later went to the same movie theater in [[My Day at the Movies - NBR 5]].

==Watchers in the shadows?==
In [[Date With P. Monkey]], Bree stated that she was afraid she was being followed, and adopted a disguise. P. Monkey also went in disguise. Some fans looked for potential [[Watcher|Watchers]] in the video footage of the movie theater. Men were thought to be spotted in the reflection of Bree's [[sunglasses]] and in the reflection of the glass cases containing the movie posters. The shadow in the glass case is probably an illusion created by the design on the poster for the film [http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0362496/Ss/0362496/cautiva_xlg.jpg?path=gallery&path_key=0362496 Cautiva]. There is also a man smoking in the shadows of this location, and the optical illusion of a man in a suit behind a fountain that Bree films. This man was actually just the space in between two pillars. The man in the shadows is difficult to make out, but it has been suggested that the top of his head is actually reflected light, and that he could even be bald.

==Refences to Fur==
In the same video, Bree mentions, for no apparent reason, that [[P. Monkey]] does not wear fur. Also during the footage, we see a poster for the film [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0422295 Fur] at this location.

==Location of the movie theater==
[[Nikki Bower]] identified the location of the movie theater and investigated the place in [[My Day at the Movies - NBR 5]]. The location is [http://www.laemmle.com/viewtheatre.php?thid=7 Laemmle's] TOWN CENTER 5, 17200 Ventura Blvd., Encino, CA.

<gallery>
Image:0082-BreeInDisguise.jpg|Bree in disguise with reflections in her sunglasses
Image:0082-ManIntheShadows.jpg|Man in the shadows
Image:0082-ManIntheShadows-Detail.jpg|Brightened picture of man in the shadows
Image:0082-TheFountain.jpg|The fountain. Optical illusion of man in black suit behind the fountain caused by the architectural structure partially obscured by the water spray
Image:0082-MoviePosters.jpg|Illusion of reflection or shadow in the glass cases of movie posters
Image:0082-FilmPoster.jpg|Poster for the film "Fur"
Image:Ge the movie theatre.jpg|The movie theater as viewed from Google Earth
</gallery>

{{location index}}

General LA area

2007-06-16T20:37:06Z

72.77.92.54: /* Oh, The Places You'll Go */

{{Locations
| name = General LA area
| image = R freeway.jpg
| appearances =
* [[Who Is This?]] - {{init|Daniel}}
* [[On The Run]] - {{init|Daniel}}
* [[Breakfast In Bed]] - {{init|Daniel}}
* [[Fleeing The Watcher]]  - {{init|Bree}}
* [[Ransacked!]] - {{init|Bree}}
* [[Jonas?]] - {{init|Daniel}}
* [[Homeless]] - {{init|Daniel}}
* [[The Test]] - {{init|Daniel}}
* [[Your Decision]] - {{init|Jonas}}
* [[Oh, The Places You'll Go]] - {{init|Jonas}}
}}

[[BDJ]] have often been seen in the '''General Los Angeles area''' while on road trips. While sometimes there are fields and parks, other times there are distinguishable landmarks that make it easy for the viewing audience to identify where [[Bree]], [[Daniel]], and [[Jonas]] are.

==Appearances of the General LA area==

===[[On The Run]]===
Irvine (California) police had several side streets that shoot off of Harvard blocked off for the filming of [[On The Run]].

[http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=100&play=1#comment-13572 A user states that:]

"I just watched the "[[On The Run]]" video again... I think you might be right about Northwood in Irvine. I noticed a row of Eucalyptus trees that looks like what you see when you head west on [http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=Irvine+Center+Drive,+Irvine,+CA Irvine Center Drive] going out towards the Spectrum area. This is near the Northwood area.

The railroad shot I think wasn’t the one at Edinger because if you watch the video again, there are cactus there and I don’t remember seeing any cactus near Edinger. Are there cactus near Edinger and I just never noticed it Carlos? Also there is some old metal looking building in the video. Isn’t there something like that near some railroad tracks out near [http://www.google.com/maps?hl=en&lr=&q=sand+canyon&near=Irvine,+CA&sa=X&oi=local&ct=title Sand Canyon]? It also reminds me of an area off of the I-5 heading south towards San Diego.

The night shots of the high rise buildings look like those over at South Coast Metro area near [http://www.google.com/maps?hl=en&lr=&q=south+coast+plaza&near=Irvine,+CA&sa=X&oi=local&ct=title South Coast Plaza]. What do you think Carlos?

I think the freeway looks like when heading north of the 405 going towards South Coast Plaza.

The homes look like those over off of Harvard at San Juan, not far from the Irvine Civic Center."

While on the road trip [[Daniel]] and [[Bree]] stop off at [[Motels#The first motel|a motel]] in the video [[Motel Pool]].

===[[Breakfast In Bed]]===

In [[Breakfast In Bed]], Daniel leaves [[Motels#The first motel|The motel]] to go shopping.
Along the way he passes by a bridge, and then a farm scene, and finally arrives at a food market where he purchases some items for breakfast.
In the store we also catch a glimpse of a man in a black suit who many users think is one of [[The Deacons]] who are following [[Bree]] and [[Daniel]] and was also seen at [[Motels#The first motel|The motel]].

Most of this video is filmed in the San Fernando Valley. The bridge is actually the Sepulveda dam, the "farm" is not really a farm, it's the Tapia Brothers on Hayvenhust and Burbank, they sell fresh produce and run a pretty good pumpkin patch and Christmas tree lot, and the miscellaneous road footage is filmed in the same area.

===[[Fleeing The Watcher]]===
In [[Fleeing The Watcher]] we see [[Bree]] and [[Daniel]] leave [[Motels#The first motel|The motel]] and end up back in the countryside. As they leave [[Motels#The first motel|the motel]] a mysterious helicopter flies overhead. It is not known if this is just a random helicopter but the implication is definitely that someone is following Bree and Daniel. Here we see Daniel wearing a T-shirt with a very distinct design, but if is not known if the logo has any significance.

===[[Jonas?]]===
After their [[Motels#The second motel|motel room]] is ransacked [[Bree]] and [[Daniel]] take off on the road again. After Bree has a live chat with in a [[LG15 Chat room|lonelygirl15.com chatroom]] we see Bree and Daniel in a park in the video [[Jonas?]]. The park appears be beside a body of water. Here we see Bree talking to [[Purple Monkey|P. Monkey]]. Some users have commented that they thing this frame of the video show a man in a black suit in the background. He appears to pick something up off the ground.

===[[Homeless]]===
[[Homeless]] starts out with [[Bree]] and [[Daniel]] driving down a tree lined road. They drive past a location with a chain-link fence but it is difficult to tell if this is the same fence we have seen before. As Daniel drive along we see an airplane landing in the background so the location must be close to an airport. A lot of users have commented on the very distinctive T-shirt that Bree wears in this episode. In this video we see two shots of very distinctive building with characteristic architecture.

In [[Homeless]] a short sequence of video appears that is essentially identical to footage from [[Ransacked!]] This is a side by side comparison of video from the two videos. Close inspection shows that the car behind the one shown is identical, the camera frame is identical and the camera blur is identical leading to the conclusion that Bree and Daniel are not just driving past the same location with the same cars but rather that the video editor used the same footage.

===[[Your Decision]]===
Daniel and Bree go meet up with Jonas at Sherman Oaks Galleria parking garage in Sherman Oaks, CA.

===[[Oh, The Places You'll Go]]===
Daniel and Jonas revisit [[Lucy's apartment]], [[Topanga Canyon]], [[Alex's house]], and [[Rebecca|Rebecca's]] [[Uncle Dan|house]].

==Gallery==

<gallery>
Image:041-BreeLucyField.jpg|A grassy field
Image:069-Metro Link.jpg|The Metro Link
Image:069-Ryder Truck.jpg|A delivery truck
</gallery>
<gallery>
Image:069-Traffic Light.jpg|A traffic light
Image:Rt daniel1.jpg|A bridge
Image:Rt daniel2.jpg|A truck
</gallery>
<gallery>
Image:Ftw wild.jpg|The landscape
Image:Ftw helicopter.jpg|A helicopter
Image:J daniel.jpg|The park
</gallery>
<gallery>
Image:J bree.jpg|Bree on a brick wall
Image:H road trees.jpg|Down the highway
Image:H fense.jpg|Out the window
</gallery>
<gallery>
Image:H tshirt.jpg|Leaving the car behind
Image:H house.jpg|A distinctive house
</gallery>

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{{location index}}

General LA area

2007-06-16T20:36:49Z

72.77.92.54: /* Your Decision */

{{Locations
| name = General LA area
| image = R freeway.jpg
| appearances =
* [[Who Is This?]] - {{init|Daniel}}
* [[On The Run]] - {{init|Daniel}}
* [[Breakfast In Bed]] - {{init|Daniel}}
* [[Fleeing The Watcher]]  - {{init|Bree}}
* [[Ransacked!]] - {{init|Bree}}
* [[Jonas?]] - {{init|Daniel}}
* [[Homeless]] - {{init|Daniel}}
* [[The Test]] - {{init|Daniel}}
* [[Your Decision]] - {{init|Jonas}}
* [[Oh, The Places You'll Go]] - {{init|Jonas}}
}}

[[BDJ]] have often been seen in the '''General Los Angeles area''' while on road trips. While sometimes there are fields and parks, other times there are distinguishable landmarks that make it easy for the viewing audience to identify where [[Bree]], [[Daniel]], and [[Jonas]] are.

==Appearances of the General LA area==

===[[On The Run]]===
Irvine (California) police had several side streets that shoot off of Harvard blocked off for the filming of [[On The Run]].

[http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=100&play=1#comment-13572 A user states that:]

"I just watched the "[[On The Run]]" video again... I think you might be right about Northwood in Irvine. I noticed a row of Eucalyptus trees that looks like what you see when you head west on [http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=Irvine+Center+Drive,+Irvine,+CA Irvine Center Drive] going out towards the Spectrum area. This is near the Northwood area.

The railroad shot I think wasn’t the one at Edinger because if you watch the video again, there are cactus there and I don’t remember seeing any cactus near Edinger. Are there cactus near Edinger and I just never noticed it Carlos? Also there is some old metal looking building in the video. Isn’t there something like that near some railroad tracks out near [http://www.google.com/maps?hl=en&lr=&q=sand+canyon&near=Irvine,+CA&sa=X&oi=local&ct=title Sand Canyon]? It also reminds me of an area off of the I-5 heading south towards San Diego.

The night shots of the high rise buildings look like those over at South Coast Metro area near [http://www.google.com/maps?hl=en&lr=&q=south+coast+plaza&near=Irvine,+CA&sa=X&oi=local&ct=title South Coast Plaza]. What do you think Carlos?

I think the freeway looks like when heading north of the 405 going towards South Coast Plaza.

The homes look like those over off of Harvard at San Juan, not far from the Irvine Civic Center."

While on the road trip [[Daniel]] and [[Bree]] stop off at [[Motels#The first motel|a motel]] in the video [[Motel Pool]].

===[[Breakfast In Bed]]===

In [[Breakfast In Bed]], Daniel leaves [[Motels#The first motel|The motel]] to go shopping.
Along the way he passes by a bridge, and then a farm scene, and finally arrives at a food market where he purchases some items for breakfast.
In the store we also catch a glimpse of a man in a black suit who many users think is one of [[The Deacons]] who are following [[Bree]] and [[Daniel]] and was also seen at [[Motels#The first motel|The motel]].

Most of this video is filmed in the San Fernando Valley. The bridge is actually the Sepulveda dam, the "farm" is not really a farm, it's the Tapia Brothers on Hayvenhust and Burbank, they sell fresh produce and run a pretty good pumpkin patch and Christmas tree lot, and the miscellaneous road footage is filmed in the same area.

===[[Fleeing The Watcher]]===
In [[Fleeing The Watcher]] we see [[Bree]] and [[Daniel]] leave [[Motels#The first motel|The motel]] and end up back in the countryside. As they leave [[Motels#The first motel|the motel]] a mysterious helicopter flies overhead. It is not known if this is just a random helicopter but the implication is definitely that someone is following Bree and Daniel. Here we see Daniel wearing a T-shirt with a very distinct design, but if is not known if the logo has any significance.

===[[Jonas?]]===
After their [[Motels#The second motel|motel room]] is ransacked [[Bree]] and [[Daniel]] take off on the road again. After Bree has a live chat with in a [[LG15 Chat room|lonelygirl15.com chatroom]] we see Bree and Daniel in a park in the video [[Jonas?]]. The park appears be beside a body of water. Here we see Bree talking to [[Purple Monkey|P. Monkey]]. Some users have commented that they thing this frame of the video show a man in a black suit in the background. He appears to pick something up off the ground.

===[[Homeless]]===
[[Homeless]] starts out with [[Bree]] and [[Daniel]] driving down a tree lined road. They drive past a location with a chain-link fence but it is difficult to tell if this is the same fence we have seen before. As Daniel drive along we see an airplane landing in the background so the location must be close to an airport. A lot of users have commented on the very distinctive T-shirt that Bree wears in this episode. In this video we see two shots of very distinctive building with characteristic architecture.

In [[Homeless]] a short sequence of video appears that is essentially identical to footage from [[Ransacked!]] This is a side by side comparison of video from the two videos. Close inspection shows that the car behind the one shown is identical, the camera frame is identical and the camera blur is identical leading to the conclusion that Bree and Daniel are not just driving past the same location with the same cars but rather that the video editor used the same footage.

===[[Your Decision]]===
Daniel and Bree go meet up with Jonas at Sherman Oaks Galleria parking garage in Sherman Oaks, CA.

===[[Oh, The Places You'll Go]]===
Daniel and Jonas revisit [[Lucy's apartment]], [[Topanga Canyon]], and [[Rebecca|Rebecca's]] [[Uncle Dan|house]].

==Gallery==

<gallery>
Image:041-BreeLucyField.jpg|A grassy field
Image:069-Metro Link.jpg|The Metro Link
Image:069-Ryder Truck.jpg|A delivery truck
</gallery>
<gallery>
Image:069-Traffic Light.jpg|A traffic light
Image:Rt daniel1.jpg|A bridge
Image:Rt daniel2.jpg|A truck
</gallery>
<gallery>
Image:Ftw wild.jpg|The landscape
Image:Ftw helicopter.jpg|A helicopter
Image:J daniel.jpg|The park
</gallery>
<gallery>
Image:J bree.jpg|Bree on a brick wall
Image:H road trees.jpg|Down the highway
Image:H fense.jpg|Out the window
</gallery>
<gallery>
Image:H tshirt.jpg|Leaving the car behind
Image:H house.jpg|A distinctive house
</gallery>

<br clear="all" />

{{location index}}

Lonelygirl15

2007-05-21T20:18:09Z

72.77.92.54:

{{cleanup}}

{{FakeBlog2
| episode =
| name = lonelygirl15
| image = Bree.jpg
| caption = lonelygirl15, AKA [[Bree]], in one of her video blogs.
| item01a = Created by
| item01b = [[Miles Beckett]], [[Mesh Flinders]] and [[Greg Goodfried]]
| category1 = Cast
| item11a = [[Bree]]
| item11b = [[Jessica Lee Rose]]
| item12a = [[Daniel]]
| item12b = [[Yousef Abu-Taleb]]
| item13a = [[Gemma]]
| item13b = [[Jackie Jandrell]]
| item14a = [[Jonas]]
| item14b = [[Jackson Davis]]
| item15a = [[Alex]]
| item15b = [[Bitsie Tulloch]]
| item16a = [[Taylor]]
| item16b = [[Becki Kregoski]]
}}

'''lonelygirl15''' is a fictional [[vlog|video blog]], that debuted on YouTube, under the guise of a "real" 16-year-old video blogger, named [[Bree]]. In "lonelygirl15"'s earliest videos, she posted video replies to and name-dropped popular YouTubers, which attracted the attention of their fans. Her video blogs eventually became popular in their own right, and attracted a massive following. To further the initial illusion that Bree was a real girl, a [[MySpace]] page was set up for her and she began meaningfully correspondence with many of her fans.

Her blogs quickly became very popular, but viewers grew suspicious that lonelygirl15 was not real. The question of whether or not she was real received a great deal of attention in the media, from late August to early September. Fans ultimately exposed lonelygirl15 as a fictitious character played by [[New Zealand]] actress [[Jessica Lee Rose]]. [[The Creators]] of the series were identified as [[Miles Beckett]], [[Mesh Flinders]] and [[Greg Goodfried]].

The series is still running with new videos appearing regularly. Lonelygirl15 won the VH1 "Big in '06" award for Biggest Download, and remains the second most-subscribed channel on YouTube, with over 93,000 subscribers as of May 2007.

==Theme and plot==
[[Image:Vid9.jpg|left|thumb|200px|For a complete synopsis of the plot, see [[The Story So Far...]]]]

'''***SPOILER WARNINGS FROM HERE ON BELOW***'''

In the beginning, Bree's videos were similar to those of many other popular vloggers on YouTube. She would make brief videos out of her bedroom about her life, her best friend [[Daniel]], and her conflicts with her parents.

Bree was homeschooled and lonely. Her only friend, who introduced her to YouTube and video editing, was Daniel, whom she met during a brief stint in public school two years earlier. Daniel had a crush on Bree, but Bree's parents wouldn't let her out of the house, and these tensions were behind many of the early videos.

Eventually, it was revealed that Bree was a member of a secretive religion, originally believed to be [[Thelema]] but later recognized as the fictional [[Bree's religion|Hymn of One]]. Bree was selected to participate in a mysterious ceremony for the religion, but eventually ran away from home rather than participate.

Around the time Bree ran away, another character was introduced, an old friend named [[Gemma]]. Gemma made video responses in which she offered advice to Bree. However, it was eventually revealed that Gemma was working for [[the Order]] and attempting to coerce Bree into participating in the ceremony.

Bree and Daniel lived on the streets for a while, in order to escape the Order. Eventually, a character named [[Jonas]], a rich orphan, offered Bree and Daniel a place to stay. The characters lived with Jonas until the Order tracked them down.

The show gradually abandoned its premise of being a highly-realistic story about a young vlogger. Many members of Bree's religion appear to be evil, going so far as to subject Bree to frequent injections of an unknown substance. Recent plot developments have included the murder of Bree's father, and the revelation that Bree was adopted.

For a complete summary of the story, see [[The Story So Far...]]

==Revelations of fictionality==

===Initial speculation===

Fans of lonelygirl15’s video posts quickly began to wonder if Bree was, in fact, a real person or if the posts were part of a teaser campaign for a television show or an upcoming movie. Others felt that the blog might be part of an [[Alternate Reality Game|alternate reality game]].

[[Image:DanielLight.gif|right|thumb|200px|Daniel attempting to light a candle underneath a picture of [[Aleister Crowley]]. For the full story of how fans unearthed the truth behind lonelygirl15, see [[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree|The Hunt For Bree]].]]

Fans pointed to small inconsistencies within the videos as evidence that the story might not be genuine.

* The website [[lonelygirl15.com]], supposedly created by a fan named [[Bukanator]], was registered in May 2006, several weeks prior to Bree actually uploading her first video.

* Bree had several fights with Daniel on webcam. It seemed unlikely a girl who just endured real fights with her only friend would upload those fights to YouTube.

* The appearance of [[Aleister Crowley]] on Bree's bedroom wall seemed improbable.

* The lighting, along with other cinematic elements, also seemed improbable.

===Media reports of fictionality===

* [[Richard Rushfield]] of ''The Los Angeles Times'' reported in an article dated September 8, 2006, that three lonelygirl15 fans - [[Shaina Wedmedyk]], Chris Patterson, and an anonymous law student (these three fans are known as the [[Phorum 3]]) - set up a sting operation using IP address tracking software that showed that e-mails sent from a lonelygirl15 [[MySpace]] account were traced to the offices of [[Creative Artists Agency]], a powerful Hollywood talent agency based in Beverly Hills.[http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-lonelygirl8sep08,0,5310001.story]

* On Sept. 11 a commenter on the website TMZ.com said that he recognized Bree, and posted a link to her MySpace account. At 1:41 a.m. Sept. 12, members of [[The Children of Anchor Cove]] used Google cache to discover that the account belonged to New Zealand actress [[Jessica Lee Rose]]. Several other blogs quickly uncovered cached photos of Jessica Lee Rose and took credit for her discovery.<ref name = Applause>{{cite news | url = http://screens.blogs.nytimes.com/?p=77 | title = Applause for lonelygirl15, and DVD Extras | publisher = [[New York Times]] | date = [[2006-09-12]] | accessdate = 2006-09-13 | work = Screens | author = [[Virginia Heffernan|Heffernan, Virginia]] }}</ref>

* [[Virginia Heffernan]] of ''The New York Times'', on September 12, confirmed that the Creators of the series are represented by CAA and that CAA was one of several locations used by the Creators of the series to send emails from lonelygirl15 accounts. She identified [[Miles Beckett]] and [[Mesh Flinders]] as the Creators of the project. One main source for her story was [[Grant Steinfeld]].

* The ''Los Angeles Times'', on September 13th, featured the first interview with the Creators of lonelygirl15, confirming the link between the Creators and the CAA. This story also identified [[Greg Goodfried]] as one of the Creators. [http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-lonelygirl13sep13,1,3672640.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews

Do the ceremony!

2007-05-21T20:08:29Z

72.77.92.54:

{{Itscassie
| name = Do the ceremony!
| number = 19
| image = Cassie.JPG
| caption = Sign language? What does it mean?
| date = February 5th, 2007
| url = {{revver|161926}}
| description = Bree, forget everything I said before..
| tags = {{tags|itscassie}}
| Previous = Investigating
| Next = Bree, don't be scared.
}}
'''Do the ceremony!''' is the nineteenth video in the [[itscassie]] video series. An apparently brainwashed Cassie urges Bree to do the [[The Ceremony (ritual)|Ceremony]].

==Transcript==
(''Cassie appears with the [[OpAphid]] music. She's sitting in a chair in front of a white background. She smiles while she's talking.'')

'''Cassie:''' Bree? I changed my mind. I want you to do the ceremony! The Order told me all about it and it sounds super fun! And I know they'll welcome Daniel with open arms. You need to do this. It will change your life! I know my life got a whole lot better when I listened to the Order. It's okay, you don't have to be scared anymore. I know this is what [[Bree's parents | your dad]] wanted. You're so lucky to be picked for the ceremony. I wish I could do it.

(''Fade to black. In a voiceover from [[Miss Me?]], [[Daniel]] is heard saying "Come on. Just do the [[The Ceremony (ritual)|Ceremony]]. That's all you have to do."'')

(''Morse code for E, ., is flashed on the screen while the audio is playing.'')

==Notes==
* Cassie appears to be using sign language. in this video. At least one fan has claimed she is signing "H-E-L-P" and "Daniel" here.
* At the end of the video, Cassie's eyes shift as if to look at someone off camera.
* As the voiceover from [[Miss Me?]] is played, the morse code for E, ., is flashed on the screen.

1500 Miles

2007-05-19T00:45:06Z

72.77.92.54: /* Transcript */

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| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| number = 0192
| image = 0192-JonasPerplexed.jpg
| caption = All I have to show for it is a sunburn and some fire ant bites.
| blogger = Jonas
| date = May 14th, 2007
| url = {{lg15|252}}
| forumid = 10198
| length = 2:07
|description = Still no word from Bree. It's been a long weekend and Daniel and I are pretty frustrated. I tried to find some solace in Photoshop.
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| status = Public Video
| tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|bree|daniel|danielbeast|jonas|jonastko|julia|jules}}


| execprod = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried
| producers = Amanda Goodfried
| directors = Miles Beckett
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| editor = Kevin Schlanser
| song =

| cast =
{{VidChar|Jonas|Jackson Davis}}

| Previous = What the F*@k???
| Next = I Know What Boys Like

| PreviousB = Aiding and Abetting
| NextB =
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'''1500 Miles''' is the one hundred ninety-second video in the lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].
==Transcript==
(''Closeup of Jonas's eye.'')

'''Jonas:''' 1500 miles.

(''Cuts back to both of Jonas's eyes. Jonas is in his backyard as seen in [[Bored At Home]].'')

'''Jonas:''' 1500 miles is far. It's really really far.

(''Shot of Google Earth globe with Jonas's house marked'')

'''Jonas:''' We drove 1500 miles with Bree to [[Zavalla]], Texas.

(''Google Earth zooms out of Jonas's house and zooms in on Zavalla, Texas.'')

'''Jonas:''' All I have to show for it is a sunburn and some fire ant bites. Oh, and heh, the kicker is, Bree's gone. [[Taylor]], I know you were in the forum all weekend banging your head against the keyboard, but this is not your fault. Bree wanted us to come here. If it's anyone's fault, it's hers. Her fault! We went 1500 miles with Bree. She just gets in a car and leaves. 1500 miles... that's... do you know how far that is?

(''Text saying "Mt. Whitney, CA 14,000 Feet ~ 3 Miles"'')

'''Jonas:''' Mt. Whitney. Largest mountain in California. It's comin' in at...

(''Cuts to a picture of Mt. Whitney with a bar graph indicating the height of Mt. Whitney.'')

'''Jonas:''' ...a puny 14,000 feet. How about Mt. Everest?

(''Text saying "Mt. Everest, Nepal 29,000 Ft. ~ 6 Miles"'')

'''Jonas:''' 29,000 feet. You know what that is? That's six miles. That's a drive around town. Let's say you want to go to another planet. You go to Mars. You want to climb...

(''Text saying "Olympus Mons, Mars 78,000 Ft. ~15 Miles"'')

'''Jonas:''' ...Olympus Mons. That's uh, comin' in I ''think''...

(''Cuts to bar graph with mountain heights. A picture of Mars is seen on the right.'')

'''Jonas:''' ...at 78,000 feet. Being the largest peak in the entire solar system. That's still only, what? 15 miles? And 15 miles doesn't even compare to 1500 miles. You could push about 25 MPH on a bike.

(''Animation of a stick figure riding a bike on a sunny day with the words "25 MPH" over it.'')

'''Jonas:''' That would take you probably, approximately about two days. That's if you make it at all. Because, I mean. Lycra Pants... Texas. I know the term "tar and feather" comes to mind. So what am I trying to say? Well, we came here with Bree to help her find Julia. And now she's gone, they're both gone. For the first time in a while, I just feel lost. And I miss her. For some reason I feel like we've really gotten a lot closer in the last couple of weeks. She opened up to me... told me about her family. I really think she was starting to like me too. And what the [[Four-letter words|hell]] Bree, what the hell? Where are you? Why have you not tried to contact us? Me and Daniel we're just here... we're just waiting. And we're tired. But we're here and we're just waiting for some kind of... some kind of sign from you that you're okay. So just, don't let us down.

==Notes==
* The word ''solace'' was misspelled in the description of this video but has since been corrected.
* Year 1500 (MD) was a leap year starting on Wednesday of the Julian calendar.
* According to the map shown, Jonas's house is in or near Inverness, California.
* This video is reminiscent of an earlier video of Jonas's ([[Bree's Gone]]), in which Jonas also gets upset for the sudden disappearance of Bree.
* Jonas confirms the location of Taylor and Sarah's home: Zavalla, Texas. In "[[No Trespassing]]" Taylor shows the "2005 Zavalla All-Star Roster"
* Around 1500 comments were made to the previous video before this one was posted, after a 3 day wait - the title could allude to all the suffering fans.
* It was speculated that Jonas and Daniel were back at Jonas's home because of the hedges behind him resembling ones we saw in [[Bored At Home]]. However, Jonas told everyone on the forum[http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10209&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=6] that they were still in Texas.
* Taylor left a comment for this video on YouTube: "Wow Jonas, thanks so much for your kind words, you cheered me up. Also, cool video. Hope Bree turns up" to which Jonas replied: "Cool Taylor, glad you feel better."
* Although Jonas does not try to debunk any scientific theories, this video could be considered a [[Proving Science Wrong (series)|Proving Science Wrong]] type video because it involves a succession of mathematical arguments. Jonas appears to be very good at math. His intelligence may be the reason he enjoys PSW.