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Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)

2008-07-19T16:59:40Z

HyeMew: Added song

{{Blog
| blogger = Bree
| name = Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)
| image = Vid8.jpg
| caption = [[Hot pink feather boa|Boa]] in your face!
| number = 8
| date = 20060705
| url = {{lg15|14}}
| forumid = 343
| length = 3:27
| description = Sorry about all the drama, but I was pretty mad and just posted that video. Anyways, Daniel is back, everything is okay and we decorate my room. Oh, and I talk about turtles and ants :)
| location = [[Bree's bedroom]]
| song = Like a Sunrise (bliss remix) by shockshadow & Zipper and Jeans by Harlan T Bobo
| tags = {{tags|LG15|danielbeast|daniel|room|decorate|dance|funny|stupid|feynman|einstein|newton|turtle|ant|physics|teach|hamster|dude}}

| execprod = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried
| producers = Miles Beckett
| directors = Miles Beckett and Mesh Flinders
| vidplay = Mesh Flinders and Miles Beckett
| story = Miles Beckett and Mesh Flinders
| editor = Miles Beckett


| cast =
{{VidChar|Bree}}
{{VidChar|Daniel}}
[[Category:Videos with Owen]]


|Previous = Daniel Responds
|Next = Proving Science Wrong!
| PreviousB = My Parents Suck...
}} Prompted by fans, [[Bree]] decides to decorate her room a little more. She also shares some more dorky stories.

== Transcript ==
'''Bree:''' Okay, so as you can see, [[Daniel]] is here and everything is back to normal. Today I'm gonna take a few things from this side of the room and move them to that side of the room. The decision came after many hours of consultation and reflection. Basically, what I decided is that this side of the room, that's on camera, it needs to be a little spiffier. So...

(''montage of creation of the picture board, appearance of Napoleon Dynamite poster, Bree dances about with her boa'')

'''Bree:''' Okay, so I'm gonna tell you one of my favorite stories from ''A Brief History of Time'' by Stephen Hawking. Basically there is this scientist, and he's giving a lecture, and he's telling everyone how the earth orbits the sun, and then the sun orbits a big group of stars, called a galaxy, and this old woman is sitting in the back of the room and she shoots up her hand and she says, "Well, that's just rubbish. Everyone knows that the Earth is a dinner plate sitting on the back of a turtle." And the scientist says, "Well then, what's the turtle standing on?" And the old woman, she thinks for a moment, and then she says, "Ah, you're very clever, young man. But I'm afraid it's turtles all the way down."

(''More montage, finishing the photo board, putting up movie poster.'')

'''Bree:''' So... you don't like turtles. Let's talk about ants. This little fact comes from one of my favorite books, called ''Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman.'' It basically consists of a bunch of random little stories from the life of one of the smartest physicists ever, [[Richard Feynman]]. He's really smart. Like Einstein smart. Like Newton smart. Like Professor Calculus smart! Okay, so Feynman liked doing little experiments whenever he didn't understand something. You know, rather than look it up, he believed it was better to figure something out for yourself. So he wanted to figure out how ants found food. So he did all these little experiments where he set up piles of sugar, and then he ferried ants around on a little piece of paper just to try and confuse them. And what he found out was that individually, ants are really, really stupid. But when they work together, they can do amazing things. For instance, the group of ants could find the pile of sugar from clear across the room, just by following an invisible chemical trail which, for an ant, is like sitting in a coffee shop in Los Angeles and sniffing out a Twinkie in Central Park. That's really far.

(''Bree is distracted by Daniel twirling, tossing and catching a magazine on his hand as though it were a round of pizza dough. She snickers when he drops it.'')

'''Bree:''' Anyway, that's all for today. Bye!

(''Reprise of earlier 'dancing with boa' clip'')

==Notes==
* The infamous [[Aleister Crowley]] picture appears on Bree's wall for the first time in this video, however only a small portion is visible making it impossible to tell that it actually is a picture of Crowley.
* {{wikipedia|Professor_Cuthbert_Calculus|Professor Calculus}} is a [[Pop culture references#References to Books|character]] in the Belgian Comic books, "The Adventures of Tintin."
* In the comments to this video, [[Bukanator]] announces that he is going to start a fan site for them. Later in the thread, he announces the site, [[lonelygirl15.com]] is up.
* ''A Brief History of Time'' by Steven Hawking is a book that explains complex physics and astronomy to people who aren't scientists. ([http://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-Time-Stephen-Hawking/dp/0553380168/sr=8-1/qid=1170398318/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-8821432-1763305?ie=UTF8&s=books View on Amazon.com])
* ''Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman'' is a collection of anecdotes from the life of [[Richard Feynman]], a famous physicist. ([http://www.amazon.com/Surely-Feynman-Adventures-Curious-Character/dp/0393316041/sr=1-2/qid=1170398410/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/102-8821432-1763305?ie=UTF8&s=books View on Amazon.com])
* Daniel's magazine spin at the end of the video was later imitated much less successfully by [[Andrea]] in [[Introducing... Paul and Andrea]].
*This is the first video that lasted more than 3 minutes in length.

Talk:Deemontreal

2007-06-06T15:39:55Z

HyeMew: "Instant hit"

Indeed, that was an awesome video. I didn't realize it didn't already have a page. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:25, 29 December 2006 (CST)

Holy crap!! Are you telling me that this wasn't the actual lonelygirl15 room? this was a REPLICA!!! HOLY CRAP!!! IT'S EXTREMELY WELL DONE!!!!!--[[User:Garfwog|Garfwog]] 16:45, 29 December 2006 (CST)

== lyrics? ==

Does he say "how you done?" I thought he was saying "What have you done?" Maybe i need to go listen again! --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:53, 15 May 2007 (CDT)

:Uhhh. He could? I'd always heard it as "how you done" as in.. how you done it, lonelygirl? As in, how the heck did ya fool us all Lonelygirl? Haha, but maybe I'm wrong. I'd love to hear what others heard... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 12:03, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
:if you watch the video you can see his lips move and it becomes clearer that he said "how have you done" (as in how successful have you been), which makes a lot more sense, in the context. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 12:22, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
:: I tried watching and listening with head phones. It really sounds like "What have you done." I'd say I'm 95 percent confident. And saying "how have you done" doesn't make any sense to me. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:04, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
:::I've listen to it again, and I'm 100% sure it's "how", not "what". I don't know what it doesn't make sense to you, the song is about exploiting YouTube for personal gain, the question the question being asked is "Ok so you fooled us, and got really popular, how much (fame , career advancement , money ,etc) did you get out of it?". If you say "what have you done?" then it makes not sense. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 13:25, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
::Hey guys, the lyrics on dee's myspace (http://www.myspace.com/deemontreal -- click on the "lyrics" link for the lonelygirl song). He says it is "What have you done lonelygirl" --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 13:35, 15 May 2007 (CDT)

:::Good call Milo! I'll update that. And uh, yeah. I did just watch it again. And I heard the same thing you did Jay, so I'm glad we got that confirmed. So hey, now that it's been cleaned up, how do people feel about me putting it up as featured? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:41, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
:::: I think we should put it up ASAP. Do we know that those lyrics are actaully from DEE, and not some database of transcribed lyrics? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 13:46, 15 May 2007 (CDT)

::::: Thanks for the find, Milo. Yeah, that's his MySpace profile, so i think we can trust it. Misty, "What have you done?" is a common expression that means "Why did you do that?" --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 14:06, 15 May 2007 (CDT)

== "Instant hit" ==

I don't know who wrote the main page summary of Deemontreal in the featured article section, but I have a bone to pick with it. I am a big fan of the song, but the description is misleading: "His video... has become an instant hit! With over 850,000 views, it is the most-watched fan video to date."
In fact, the video languished for quite awhile. I thought it was great and was sad it wasn't getting the exposure it deserved. After a couple of months it barely got above 10,000 views or something like that, certainly not qualifying it as an "instant hit" ([[Terryfic]]'s YouTube Auteur did far better in a far shorter amount of time, mainly because LG15 was at its peak when his was released). Anyway though, it was not until Dee's video was FEATURED by YouTube did it skyrocket to 850k views, something which is not rare for a featured video to do, in fact it could almost be expected in many cases. Therefore, I think the part about it being an instant hit should be removed because while the fans loved the song, it is utterly misleading to make it seem like it came out and got hundreds of thousands of hits when it got no more than 10k on its own and the many hundreds coming months later when it was featured. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 10:39, 6 June 2007 (CDT)

The Ceremony Girl?! - NBR Investigates

2007-04-17T20:06:18Z

HyeMew: /* Notes */

{{NBR
|name = The Ceremony Girl?! - NBR Investigates
|number = NBR018
|image = Nikki_Hugging_Kira.jpg
|caption = It really ''is'' guiltless.
|date = April 16th, 2007
|url = [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XTtRLDt_Zg youtube.com]
|description = I think I found the ceremony girl!!

A special thanks to Kira! It was a pleasure having you in the vid.

|tags = [[nikkibowerreport]] [[nikki]] [[lonelygirl15]] [[bree]] [[danielbeast]] [[jonas]] [[callmejules24]] piglet [[enochian]]
| Previous = Following the Drugs - NBR Investigates
| Next =
}}
'''The Ceremony Girl?! - NBR Investigates''' is the eighteenth video in the [[Nikki Bower]] video series. Nikki identifies [[callmejules24]] as a possible replacement for Bree in the ceremony. It was posted as a response to the video [[Hug It Out]].

==Transcript==

(''Nikki B is sitting in a chair looking disheveled. She has a brightly colored blanket wrapped around her.'')

'''Nikki:''' Hey guys, it's Nikki B here. I was really struck by that last video. And I have been up ''all'' night. Researching... thinking. We all knew something was up with [[Alex]]. We did. She was a little fishy. But I can''not'' believe what happened. [[BDJ]]... betrayed again. You know, you should never trust a woman who dresses like a human pinata. (''Looks down at her own colorful blanket'')

(''Cut to shot of Nikki B without the blanket. She is wearing a white shirt.'')

'''Nikki:''' And Jonas, what was with the gun? Uch! It shocked me. Because the only gun I wanted to see on you were... you know... the (''Makes a muscle'')... your like guns. You know like... which way to the guns show? So you're probably wondering why Nikki B looks so disheveled. I have been doing research. Alex said that they no longer need Bree anymore. That they found another girl. Say what? They're looking for a new girl! ''That'' is news! (''Nods'') ''What'' does this mean for Bree? I mean, they've been hunting her down for months... preparing her for this ceremony. Are we ever going to ''see'' this ceremony? I mean... now and suddenly there's this ''new'' girl. What is going on here? (''Gets excited'') What is going on here?? I've had a lot of coffee.

So, maybe there's another girl out there who they've been injecting with [[EPOGEN]]. See, I told you. It's all about the drugs. So Nikki B decided to put her investigative skills to work. I decided to go back to the ''very'' beginning... to [[YouTube]] of course! So I decided to see if there were any other young girls out there preparing for the ceremony.

In my search, I found a lot of ''interesting'' things. I've seen a lot of cats... cats doing funny things. (''Camera pans to Nikki's computer, on which she has a clip of a cat from YouTube playing'') Cats that look like Hitler. They call them "Kitlers." Psycho birds... (''Clip of a parrot called "My Psycho Birds" plays'') toddlers... (''Clip of a toddler rolling around on the floor, called "GNARLS BARKLEY CRAZY TODDLER" plays'') Sanjaya... (''Clip of Sanjaya from American Idol plays'').

(''Nikki now has on a lab coat and glasses'')

'''Nikki:''' So earlier this morning as the sun was rising... (''Quick shot of a notepad, on which Nikki has scribbled "Nikki *hearts* Jonas"'') the crows were crowing... the roosters were (''cock-a-doodle-doo'')ing, I was still awake... researching... investigating. (''Pours herself a cup of coffee'') I was on my third pot of Youman, when I came across a fresh-faced youngster, talking about her life.

(''Nikki is no longer wearing the lab coat or glasses'')

'''Nikki:''' So I found a girl who goes by the name of [[callmejules24]]. (''Quick shot of callmejules24's YouTube profile'') She's fresh-faced... down-to-earth... articulate. There's no nudity... no swear words. Qualities that are sometimes hard to find on these video sites. Now, she looks pretty innocent and cute to the... average viewer. But I'm Nikki B! So I was lookin' for clues. Her name is Julia, but she tells you in three different languages that you can call her Jules. Her parents are making her study languages... Spanish... French... German... and get this... one you (''Air quotes'') probably never heard of. Hello?? [[Enochian]]! So, she didn't say Enochian. But come on! To an investigative reporter like me, it's pretty obvious.

So Jules also talks about reading some book. And how she relates to the main character because the character is like a prisoner and she feels like a prisoner... yadda yadda yadda. You guys remember... Bree felt like a prisoner in her home... and you know, she read a lot. So on to our second vid. It doesn't really fit the formula, but bear with me. The video is a response to another VLogger, dmurawski. She talks about her cat Piglet... and she raps. Remember the [[Grillz feat. Danielbeast, LG15, P. Monkey, and O'n. | Grillz]] video, people? (''Nikki smiles widely, revealing the tinfoil she has wrapped on her teeth''). The parallel between the two is just... eerie.

Okay, so let's backtrack for a sec. I made a list of similarities between Bree and this Jules character. First off, drugs. (''Camera pans to a yellow notepad, on which Nikki has made a list. The visible page is stained and has scribbles in the margins.'') Well, technically we haven't seen drugs yet with Jules, but I have a suspicion. So we'll leave that... we'll leave that one open for a second. Language... check. Stuffed animals... well Bree had [[Purple Monkey | P Monkey]] and [[Owen]] of course. Jules has a cat... which is an animal... and it's fat. I'm gonna give that a check... because I think that goes under stuffed animals. Dull life equals prisoner... check. And uh... both of their fathers encourage them to study... and study numerous languages. Uh, a check. And check again and check again. So we're just gonna wait about the drugs... and see what happens.

Callmejules24. (''Nods'') You heard it here first. This is Nikki B (''Salutes'') signing off.

(''Camera now cuts to Nikki, looking much more polished. She appears to be standing outside of some sort of restaurant, with a waitress named Kira.'')

'''Nikki:''' So after my late night of investigating, I was a bit hungry. So I decided to come grab a bite to eat. And it turns out my waitress was very knowledgable about Bree and Daniel. My mentor, [[Nancy Drew's Guide to Life | Nancy Drew]] says, "When you see an opportunity, reach out and grab it."

(''Reaches over and hugs Kira, grinning madly'')

'''Nikki:''' So, since I've been up all night... I'm so tired... maybe Kira here might trigger something in me that I haven't thought of. (''To Kira'') So I'm going to ask you some questions and you just have to answer the first thing that comes to mind.

'''Kira:''' Alright.

'''Nikki:''' Ready?

'''Kira:''' Ready.

'''Nikki:''' Alright! Daniel or Jonas?

'''Kira:''' Daniel.

'''Nikki:''' Beanie or sombrero?

'''Kira:''' Uh... beanie!

'''Nikki:''' Modafinil or ointment?

'''Kira:''' Ointment!

'''Nikki:''' [[Bree's parents | Bree's mom or Bree's dad]]?

'''Kira:''' Um, Bree's mom.

'''Nikki:''' Alex or Lucy?

'''Kira:''' Lucy.

'''Nikki:''' Owen or P Monkey?

'''Kira:''' Uh... P Monkey!

'''Nikki:''' First word that comes to mind when I say these people.... Bree!

'''Kira:''' Uhmm.... I dunno.

'''Nikki:''' Watcher!

'''Kira:''' Um... scary!

'''Nikki:''' Gemma.

'''Kira:''' Missing.

'''Nikki:''' Sanjaya?

'''Kira:''' Um... um... unintelligible.

'''Nikki:''' Meep!

'''Kira:''' Gah!

'''Nikki:''' That was actually... that was really... that last one was very good. (''Jots down notes on a piece of paper'') Bree and Jonas -- are they brother and sister?

'''Kira:''' No.

'''Nikki:''' Your Guiltless Chicken Sandwich -- is it really guiltless?

'''Kira:''' It ''is'' guiltless. (''Nods'')

'''Nikki:''' Nikki Bower, is she your favorite reporter?

'''Kira:''' Of course!

'''Nikki:''' That's really... that's like... that made me feel ''good''. Let's hug it out.

'''Kira:''' Aw.

'''Nikki:''' My lunch at Chili's has proved ''very'' successful. I think I got some very insightful information. (''Looks at Kira'') Who woulda thunk it?

'''Kira:''' Not me... I certainly wouldn't.

'''Nikki:''' Not me. Anyways, friends. Until next time, this is Nikki B and Kira (''They both salute the camera''), signing off.

==Notes==
*The fact that Bree responds to this episode seems to canonize Nikki B. (along with Julia) in the eyes of the Breeniverse, despite earlier assurances from the Creators that she is not.

Hug It Out

2007-04-09T15:21:02Z

HyeMew: We need a better caption than the gangsta southside one

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| caption = It was either this or one of Bree's prefered methods...
| blogger = Jonas
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| url = [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=225 lonelygirl15.com]
| description = Thankfully, Bree listened to reason and logic prevailed. I had a loooonnnng talk with Alex over the weekend. I think we actually got somewhere. - Jonas
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'''Hug it Out''' is the one hundred sixty-ninth video in the lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].

==Transcript==

(''Jonas and [[Alex]] are seen on a beach in the distance talking to each other and Jonas is narrating.'')

'''Jonas:''' Ok, So I just had a little heart to heart (''Switches to Jonas alone'') with my aunt out on the beach. I know what you're thinking, you're not supposed to trust the uh..

(''Switches to shot of Jonas and Alex on the beach and Jonas has his hand out, possibly yelling at Alex'')

'''Jonas:''' (''narrating'') the bad guys. She's a bad guy, you're not supposed to trust her.

(''Switches back to Jonas alone'')

'''Jonas:''' But, you know it was either that or, pff you know Bree's prefered methods. Alright, the thing is, is that Alex is my dad's little sister. Well, yeah technically half-sister but whatever and it all started when my grandfather got divorced and married this much, much younger woman. Alex's mom was, how do I, how do I phrase this delicately, umm a total whack job. Can I say that? Is that mean? But she was. She was one of these new aged fruity types, I remember she was always talking about (''Puts on an accent'') ''Jonas the [[free will]] of man and the meridian lines''. Meridian lines? That's like geography, I get that but I don't know what it has to do with the human soul. Anyway my dad said, and thought she was full of, how do you say it in spanish? Caca? When in Mexico...Alex and my dad, they became actually

(''Switches to shot of Alex and Jonas on the beach again. It appears Alex is trying to tell Jonas something but he raises his arms then bounces on the ground suggesting he can't believe what she's saying'')

'''Jonas:''' (''narrating'') pretty close because until she my dad never really had a sister. She was just at our house constantly, she did everything with us

(''Switches back to Jonas alone'')

'''Jonas:''' She was part of the family. She would go sailing with us. I mean, everything, you name it, she was there. I think it caused a little conflict

(''Switches to shot of Alex and Jonas on the beach again. Alex has her hands in her pockets and Jonas has his arms. He unfolded his arms and points his fingers at Alex accusingly before starting to walk away'')

'''Jonas:''' (''narrating'') with Alex's mom cause she was, she was the jealous type and I mean it even got to the point

(''Switches to Jonas alone'')

'''Jonas:''' where she wasn't even allowed to come over our house anymore. So when my parents started travelling a lot umm we didn't really see Alex that much anymore, you know, just holidays and Christmas and I remember one Christmas Alex's mom had had a little too much

(''Switches to shot of Alex and Jonas on the beach. Jonas is walking away, kicking sand as he walks and Alex is following. He stops and turns to face Alex'')

'''Jonas:''' (''narrating'') to drink and her and my dad kinda got into it.

(''Switches to Jonas alone'')

'''Jonas:''' They started arguing and they said a bunch of things

(''Switches to shot of Alex and Jonas on the beach. Jonas is walking toward Alex appearing to be yelling at her.'')

'''Jonas:''' (''narrating'') to each other. A lot of weird stuff. Alex's mom started accusing my dad of just some whacked out crazy stuff

(''Switches to Jonas alone'')

'''Jonas:''' They were arguing something about her religion. She was always very fanatical. It got heated

(''Switches to shot of Alex and Jonas on the beach. Jonas exclaiming towards the sky with his hands'')

'''Jonas:''' (''narrating'') and they both said some pretty awful things to each other. (''Alex is walking away from Jonas with her arms crossed whilst yelling something'') I'm sure they would have apologized cause that's what families do they fight (''Jonas and Alex both have arms crossed and are exchanging heated words'') and they make up but

(''Switches to Jonas alone'')

'''Jonas:''' um...unfortunately they never got that chance cause later that Feburary uh Alex's mom got hit by a drunk driver

(''Switches to shot of Alex and Jonas on the beach. Jonas is listening to Alex, both still have their arms crossed'')

'''Jonas:''' (''narrating'') and uh she died en route to the hospital

(''Switches to Jonas alone'')

'''Jonas:''' Yep, your classic 'How could there be a god when something like this happens' moment. There's more to this story. During my reconciliation with Alex on the beach she gave me a little more information. Her mom's religion, same as Bree's mom's [[religion]]. Same thing. And after the car accident, [[the Order]] contacted Alex and they used, they used her basically, they took advantage of her grief, and convinced her that my dad had something to do with her mom's death. So Alex said the Order would help her out once in a while. They kinda hooked her up with job in the fashion line, promotions the whole deal. I guess when they found out that we were going her way (''makes phone gesture with his hand'') They called in some favours. They told her exactly what to say in that little, little speech she gave. I don't even think she knows what she was doing. She was just doing what they told her

(''Switches to shot of Alex and Jonas on the beach. Alex is looking to the distance and Jonas is standing beside her'')

'''Jonas:''' (''narrating'') She's pretty broken up. I mean she was visibly distraught (''Jonas playfully bumps into Alex's shoulder'') and I don't think you can pretend. Are my parents still alive? I hope so. Alex thinks they are (''Alex hugs Jonas'') She feels so bad about what happened that she said that she will do anything she can to help us find out.

==Notes==
This is the first video log ever that has no notes

The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad "talks" to Daniel)

2007-04-05T18:12:00Z

HyeMew: /* Notes */

{{Blog4
|blogger = Bree
|name = The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad "talks" to Daniel)
|image = Bree-dad.jpg
|caption = Special guest appearance, Bree's Dad! (lower half only)
|number = 0016
|date = July 29th, 2006
|url = [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=36 lonelygirl15.com]
|description = We made another proving science wrong, this time about the Tolstoy Principle (from Jared Diamond's great book... Guns, Germs, and Steel)... and my Dad decided to be annoying and have a "talk" with Daniel. Whatever :(
|song = YouTube version: Office Suite Part I by The Matthew Show

Revver version: The Bandit by [[Starlight Mints]]
|tags = [[LG15]] [[lonelygirl15]] [[daniel]] [[danielbeast]] [[tolstoy]] [[jared]] [[diamond]] [[bree]] [[lame]] [[pelican]] [[science]] [[wrong]] [[dude]] [[uhh]] [[yeah]] [[dad]] [[parents]]


| execprod = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried
| producers = Miles Beckett
| directors = Mesh Flinders and Miles Beckett
| vidplay = Mesh Flinders
| story = Miles Beckett and Mesh Flinders
| editor = Miles Beckett
| cast =
{{VidChar
| character = Bree
| actor = Jessica Lee Rose
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| character = Daniel
| actor = Yousef Abu-Taleb
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|Previous = Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15
|Next = Daniel The Neanderthal
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'''The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad "talks" to Daniel)''' is the sixteenth video in the Lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]] and the third in the [[Proving Science Wrong (series)|Proving Science Wrong]] series.

==Transcript==
(''Bree is sitting cross-legged on the floor, redoing the picture board. Her dad opens the door to let Daniel in and we see him standing there with a white lab coat and a briefcase. After her dad closes the door, Bree looks up and says something inaudible to Daniel.'')

'''Caption: Dad almost caught me! (Good thing he doesn't know a webcam from a hole in the ground) K... Back to the video!'''

(''Bree is wearing what appears to be her dad's labcoat. Daniel is not in the room.'')

'''Bree:''' Today for our installment of ''Proving Science Wrong,'' our topic is going to be the Tolstoy Principle. Jared Diamond came up with this one. (''While Bree is talking, a caption that says 'Daniel and Dad left to "talk"' appears beside Bree'') The Tolstoy Principle basically states that domesticable animals are all alike, but every undomesticable animal is undomesticable in its own way. (''sotto voce'') That's a tongue twister... Horses and cows are pretty domesticable animals, right? (''Cut to Bree now holding up and reading from Jared Diamond's ''Guns, Germs, and Steel.) "Horses and cows provide their owners with meat, milk products, fertilizers, land transport..." (''Caption: 'They're still talking...' appears on right side of screen as she continues.'') "... leather, military assault vehicles, plow traction, as well as the germs that killed previously unexposed peoples."

(''Cut to Daniel fiddling with the picture board on Bree's door.'')

'''Bree:''' (''off camera'') Daniel, do you think you're more like a horse or a cow?

(''Bree is back on camera. Daniel is lying on the bed looking pensive, playing with P. Monkey'')

'''Bree:''' So. Since Daniel is being uncooperative, looks like we're going to have to disprove this one on our own. (''Cut to Bree reading either from a website or a book.'') "Used for leather." Well, I would never wear Daniel. But I guess he'd make a good throw rug. "Military assault vehicles." Well, I've never ridden Daniel into battle. So there you have it: the Tolstoy Principle, proven irrefutably wrong. (''Cut to Bree turning back to the camera from having glanced at a still quite pensive, subdued Daniel.'') And here we have a clearly, very domesticated animal. And yet... he's clearly incapable of performing any of the previously mentioned tasks.

'''Daniel:''' (''mumbles'') Who says?

(''Bree turns to glare at him, then returns to her normal position.'')

'''Bree:''' If you're keeping count, that's Bree: two, Science: zero.

(''Cut to Daniel still lying, still on the bed, still on his stomach, still pensive.'')

==Notes==
* In Guns, Germs and Steel, Jared Diamond calls this phenomenon the "Anna Karenina Principle," not the "Tolstoy Principle." Leo Tolstoy was the author of ''Anna Karenina'', but it is unclear why Bree doesn't use Diamond's name. Perhaps the Creators simply got mixed up.
* How Bree got the lab coat is a bit of a mystery. When we see Bree's dad enter the room at the beginning of the video, he is holding a lab coat in his hand, but he leaves without giving it to Bree. However, in the next clip, Bree is seen wearing a lab coat, which is probably her dad's.
* Bree's father does not appear to be wearing a wedding ring.
* Bree's father is played by writer [[Mesh Flinders]].

Talk:Jonas Sucks

2007-02-22T02:12:51Z

HyeMew:

== The Nancy Drew connection... ==

Aha, I've got it! <br>
Nikki B. is Tachyon! <br>
It explains so much! <br>--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 19:18, 21 February 2007 (CST)

I remember the one Tachyon episode in which it showed a person that looked like Nikki B.
Lots of circumstantial evidence points to Nikki and Tac as one in the same.
Though one would have to wonder where an aspiring reporter would get her own plane from... [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 20:12, 21 February 2007 (CST)

Proving Science Wrong!

2007-02-17T18:56:43Z

HyeMew: /* Notes */ First episode where entire Crowley picture can be seen

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| Next = My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!
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'''Proving Science Wrong!''' is the ninth video in the Lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]], and the first in [[Bree|Bree's]] [[Proving Science Wrong (series)|Proving Science Wrong]] series.

== Transcript ==
'''Bree:''' So today, we're going to take a few basic scientific principles and prove them wrong. First up is the Uncertainty Principle. The Uncertainty Principle states that no one can truly observe the universe in its present state, because as soon as you look at it, it changes. (''Cut to Bree facing left.'') Like now. (''Cut to Bree facing away from the camera.'') Or now. (''Cut to Bree sitting on her bed.'') Or now. (''Cut to Bree doing a headstand, braced against the far wall.'') Or now. (''Bree looms in huge closeup, her head and cleavage nearly filling the frame.'') Or now. (''cut to Bree back in her seat at the desk'') So when Daniel comes over today and does absolutely nothing, I'm gonna stare at him.

(''Cut to Daniel lying on Bree's bed, examining the digital video camera which will later be used to film the outdoor episodes. There is a black platter of Triscuits on the bed. Bree is leaning on the bed facing Daniel, staring silently. Daniel seems unfazed.'')

'''Daniel:''' Yes? (''Daniel still examines the camera.'') What would you liiiiike.....?

(''Daniel finally closes the camera and wordlessly gets into a staring contest with Bree.'')

'''Bree:''' (''lying on her stomach on the bed'') So there you have it. I've done everything to try and make him move... and as you can see, (''She looks back at Daniel, fiddling with the camera again and eating crackers.'') he hasn't. Looks like the Uncertainty Principle is a bucket of suds. Next time? The Tolstoy Principle. I hope you'll join me next time for another exciting installment of 'Proving Science Wrong.' Oh! (''Cut to Bree sitting crosslegged on the bed staring at Daniel again while he plays with the camera again and eats crackers again. She keeps staring as she takes and eats a cracker.'')

==Notes==
* This video has not migrated to Revver.com due to the prominence of Bree's ''Napoleon Dynamite'' movie poster.
* This is the first episode in which the entire [[Aleister Crowley]] picture can be seen on the wall.
* The tags in this video Brian Greene are a reference to a famous quantum physicist.
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle The Uncertainty Principle] was developed by Werner Heisenberg, not Brian Greene.

Four-letter words

2007-02-15T14:57:54Z

HyeMew: /* Lesser bad words */

'''Four-letter words''' are bad, bad words often used to express anger and frustration. These words should never be said in church or if you are under the age of 13. Regardless, some of the characters in the [[Breeniverse]] sometimes use bad language.

Before it was known that [[lonelygirl15]] was fictional, some fans were surprised by the use of four-letter words, and suggested that this was a clue that viral marketers were not behind the project.

The first appearance of different four-letter words and other bad words is noted below:

* '''Fuck''' — In the video [[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]], in the heat of an argument, [[Bree]] yells, "There's a million ''fucking'' different religions in the world!"
* '''Piss''' — In [[Learning To Drive]] Daniel says he "succeeded in ''pissing'' Bree off again" after he confronts her about her upcoming ceremony. ''Pissed'' is also used as a tag on the Daniel video [[How Could You?]] when Bree cancels a date to attend the Fall Equinox celebration.
* '''Shit''' — In the video [[The Ceremony]], Daniel says, "Oh ''shit''" several times. Also, Daniel's YouTube profile has always said "Favorite Music: ''Shit'' that rocks."
* '''Wank''' — In the video [[Don't Trust The Authorities]], [[Gemma]] said that [[P. Monkey]] is "kind of a ''wanker''." While "wanker" is a fairly freely-used slang term in England, it does have possible sexual connotations, and many fans were upset by this affront to P. Monkey.
* '''Damn''' — Daniel exclaims "''Damn'' it!" in the video [[Warwalking]] when he's unable to find an Internet connection for his laptop.
* '''Goddamn''' — In the video [[The Unthinkable Happened]], Jonas whispers the phrase "''Goddammit''" in response to seeing Bree's father. This word was found extremely offensive by some.
* '''Ass''' — In the video [[Kicked Out]], [[Jonas]] tells Daniel that he is "gonna kick your ''ass''" in a game of foosball.

==Lesser bad words==
These words are considered to be foul by some, while many others do not consider them swear words:
* '''Suck''' — One of Bree's earliest videos is titled [[My Parents Suck...|My Parents ''Suck''...]]; some people find the term offensive.
* '''Hell''' — [[Daniel]] uses the word ''hell'' in the video [[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)]]. The first time a character actually says the word aloud occurs in the video [[Learning To Drive]]. Not all people consider ''hell'' to be a bad word, but Daniel has used it quite a bit.
* '''Crap''' — In the video [[The Ceremony]], Daniel says, "Oh ''crap''!" when he first spots Bree. A handful of people find this word as offensive as ''shit'', which Daniel also says many times.

[[Category:Notable details]]

Talk:Four-letter words

2007-02-14T23:55:41Z

HyeMew:

love it. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:26, 17 January 2007 (CST)
* Definitely. Bravo. -- [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 17:45, 17 January 2007 (CST)

== Compulsively organizing this shizznit... ==

Would we like these words in alphabetical order or chronological order? They are in neither at the moment. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:36, 22 January 2007 (CST)

:Hmm... since it's a list of firsts, it should probably be chronological. That will also make it easier the first time Daniel calls Bree a "''bitch''" or a "''whore''" -- we can just tack it at the end.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:43, 22 January 2007 (CST)

== Bree doesn't swear enough ==

Since bree burst out with "there are a million fucking different religions", in her argument with Daniel, it doesn't make sense for her to go through all the stressful shit, she's gone through since, without swearing; usually people swear more when they are under more stress than less. If Bree never swore tyhen it would make sense, some people just don't believe it's ok to swear, but since Bree does swear, she should swear alot, given what's happened. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 22:42, 9 February 2007 (CST)

:That probably ought to be worked into the article, it's a good observation. Also, Misty, I just wanted to reclarify what Jay said before about the instance from [[The Cowboy]]; the list is a list of ''first'' appearances, so it doesn't technically belong here after all. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 17:34, 13 February 2007 (CST)

== Crap as offensive as shit? ==

Are you sure?
I really don't think crap, as a euphamism, is nearly as bad as shit or even a bad word at all. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 18:41, 13 February 2007 (CST)
:I use the term all the time, but some people get very offended when I use it. I think the idea is that the words are perceived as offensive. Really, in U.K. I'm pretty sure that calling someone a "wanker" is about as offensive as calling someone a "dork" in the U.S. Speaking of which, I wonder if we ought to add "dork", which, while used interchangeably with "nerd" these days, happens to be a slang word for penis. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 19:31, 13 February 2007 (CST)
:We should definitely add "dork" with exactly the caveat you mentioned -- although used interchangeably with "nerd" it technically means "penis." As for crap, I didn't know anyone considered it ''as'' offensive as shit -- though some people certainly consider it offensive, I imagine if you said "shit" these people would be more offensive. Perhaps softening the language a bit.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:17, 13 February 2007 (CST)
::Dork was a commonly used word on Saved by the Bell of all things. Dork has a very benign connotation despite what it technically means, I would be very opposed to seeing it on the "four letter words" list. If it's good enough for the FCC and can get on children's shows... [[User:71.224.243.78|71.224.243.78]] 23:44, 13 February 2007 (CST)

::Uh... Hye, in case you didn't notice this page is kind of a joke. See, including "dork" is funny for exactly the reason you gave.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:49, 13 February 2007 (CST)

I object to the division of these words into more and less offensive. People who find "damn" offensive will also find "hell" equally offensive, but in general, you never can tell who will find what offensive. Case in point, "Wanker"; I couldn't believe that there was an uproar about it. Like I sais about "dork" above, it's really a word that it highly acceptable to most people despite its roots.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:42, 14 February 2007 (CST)

I Like that we talk it out instead of back and forth reverting.--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 16:09, 14 February 2007 (CST)

:I don't like the division myself. Never mind that it's set up to be inaccurate, since different people will react with varying intensity to certain words--it's also not contributing anything useful. Who really cares when they said less offensive words as opposed to more offensive words? It just kinda breaks up the list. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:07, 14 February 2007 (CST)

::I know that some people find some words more offensive than others, but let's not get TOO subjective. I mean I could say that to me the word monkey is worse than shit and that I can get a petition of 50 people who agree. Does that mean monkey should go on the page? The truth is, no matter what SOME people think, words like crap and dork just AREN'T as offensive. I mean think about it, the FCC obviously has to make such determinations and those words are allowed on tv which I really don't shit is. So no matter how relative you want to get, you can only go too far before practicality intervenes. I don't support crap and dork being in this list. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 17:55, 14 February 2007 (CST)

Talk:Drinking Problems

2007-02-14T19:31:06Z

HyeMew:

==Edits==
I noticed that [[User:IDX84|IDX84]] removed the "-" from "thirty-second" and the comma from "February 13, 2007". I changed them back but wanted to make sure that the way I have it is actually correct.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:34, 13 February 2007 (CST)

Actually [[User:IDX84|IDX84]] is an official account of the lonelygirl15 production team.--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 18:36, 13 February 2007 (CST)

JonPro is correct though. The dash belongs in "thirty-second" and the comma belongs after February 13. While the edits from the official accounts are authoratitive on matters such as script, we can still correct them when they make grammatical mistakes like that.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 18:46, 13 February 2007 (CST)

I agree, but thats where you admins come in and let us know if we can change it back :)--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 18:48, 13 February 2007 (CST)

Was just trying to match it to the use of "thirty first" on the previous vid, but either way is cool with me. [[User:IDX84|IDX84]] 19:08, 13 February 2007 (CST)

I don't think the statement that this is the first time Daniel has discussed the problems with his parents is correct. He has mentioned his parents' lack of attention to him multiple times before. --[[User:Languorous Lass|Languorous Lass]] 10:04, 14 February 2007 (CST)

:Although Daniel has mentioned that his parent's "aren't exactly the hands-on type" ([[Silent Treatment]]), this is the first time we hear of anything worse. Daniel had never said his parents were recovering alcoholics, and he didn't say they actually ignored him. People had long been wondering how he could be gone for months without his parents sounding an alarm... and this all kind of explains it. Should we rephrase? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 12:39, 14 February 2007 (CST)

::"and he didn't say they actually ignored him."
::Yes he did. He said they pay no attention to him. Recall the episode when Bree goes to Jonas's and he goes home? He says for that entire month or whatever that he was at Paul's and they clearly didn't even care enough to call and find out. They definitely ignore him and that was made clear in earlier episodes. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 13:30, 14 February 2007 (CST)

Talk:Drinking Problems

2007-02-14T19:30:53Z

HyeMew:

==Edits==
I noticed that [[User:IDX84|IDX84]] removed the "-" from "thirty-second" and the comma from "February 13, 2007". I changed them back but wanted to make sure that the way I have it is actually correct.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:34, 13 February 2007 (CST)

Actually [[User:IDX84|IDX84]] is an official account of the lonelygirl15 production team.--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 18:36, 13 February 2007 (CST)

JonPro is correct though. The dash belongs in "thirty-second" and the comma belongs after February 13. While the edits from the official accounts are authoratitive on matters such as script, we can still correct them when they make grammatical mistakes like that.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 18:46, 13 February 2007 (CST)

I agree, but thats where you admins come in and let us know if we can change it back :)--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 18:48, 13 February 2007 (CST)

Was just trying to match it to the use of "thirty first" on the previous vid, but either way is cool with me. [[User:IDX84|IDX84]] 19:08, 13 February 2007 (CST)

I don't think the statement that this is the first time Daniel has discussed the problems with his parents is correct. He has mentioned his parents' lack of attention to him multiple times before. --[[User:Languorous Lass|Languorous Lass]] 10:04, 14 February 2007 (CST)

:Although Daniel has mentioned that his parent's "aren't exactly the hands-on type" ([[Silent Treatment]]), this is the first time we hear of anything worse. Daniel had never said his parents were recovering alcoholics, and he didn't say they actually ignored him. People had long been wondering how he could be gone for months without his parents sounding an alarm... and this all kind of explains it. Should we rephrase? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 12:39, 14 February 2007 (CST)

::"and he didn't say they actually ignored him."
Yes he did. He said they pay no attention to him. Recall the episode when Bree goes to Jonas's and he goes home? He says for that entire month or whatever that he was at Paul's and they clearly didn't even care enough to call and find out. They definitely ignore him and that was made clear in earlier episodes. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 13:30, 14 February 2007 (CST)

Drinking Problems

2007-02-14T16:31:49Z

HyeMew: Added question mark after Chester the Molester van question

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'''Drinking Problems''' is the one hundred thirty-second video in the lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].

==Transcript==
'''Daniel:''' So, I'm alive, recovering from my stint as a POW. I can't remember anything. What the hell did I say in that video? What the hell could I have possibly said in that bar? Why the hell did I leave with that cowboy and get into his Chester the Molester van? I don't know, why would I leave with him? I mean, the last thing I remember is this flash-bang thing, and Bree...just yelling at me to run. I'm afraid of whatever else I might have said. I don't know...how to deal with any consequences, but it doesn't look like I have a choice. You know, it was always about protecting Bree. You know, I just don't feel like a bystander anymore. It got a little bit more personal. I don't want to get all Dr. Jonas over here, but...I'm an idiot for thinking I could drink my problems away. My parents and their whole hands-off thing. Growing up, I-I think they were actually just a little preoccupied. They never hit me or set the house on fire. It was that they violently ignored me. I guess they were pretty mellow as far as drunks go. The bad times are when one of them would stop. It's like, one of them would get better and...I'd f-...I'd finally have a parent, you know. But then, you know, that's when all the arguing would start, you know, it sucked. It's like they were both self-medicating. Unless they were numb, life was just...too much to deal with. Given our situation, I can kinda understand why a person would find that preferable. They've actually been sober, now for...last two years. They tried the whole amends thing...but...with my evasive maneuvers being on auto-pilot...I uh...I didn't want to hear about it. I didn't--I just didn't want any part of it. It's kind of uh, kind of hard now, trying to stay mad at them. You know, I'm not gonna be careless like my parents were. It's not about covering my own ass, it's...it's about watching out for one another. So, yeah, I'm not sure if it's safe here anymore. Talkin' about all this stuff, it's just...it's just giving me a headache. Jonas, you're a bad influence, man.

==Notes==
*Though this is the first time [[Daniel]] has spoken in detail about the troubles with his parents, he has hinted at it several times.
*If [[Daniel]] is worried about what information he gave to [[OpAphid]], it is logical to think that this update was not posted from [[Jonas]]'s house, as The Order may know where it is.

Drinking Problems

2007-02-14T16:29:41Z

HyeMew: Changed the note

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'''Drinking Problems''' is the one hundred thirty-second video in the lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].

==Transcript==
'''Daniel:''' So, I'm alive, recovering from my stint as a POW. I can't remember anything. What the hell did I say in that video? What the hell could I have possibly said in that bar? Why the hell did I leave with that cowboy and get into his Chester the Molester van. I don't know, why would I leave with him? I mean, the last thing I remember is this flash-bang thing, and Bree...just yelling at me to run. I'm afraid of whatever else I might have said. I don't know...how to deal with any consequences, but it doesn't look like I have a choice. You know, it was always about protecting Bree. You know, I just don't feel like a bystander anymore. It got a little bit more personal. I don't want to get all Dr. Jonas over here, but...I'm an idiot for thinking I could drink my problems away. My parents and their whole hands-off thing. Growing up, I-I think they were actually just a little preoccupied. They never hit me or set the house on fire. It was that they violently ignored me. I guess they were pretty mellow as far as drunks go. The bad times are when one of them would stop. It's like, one of them would get better and...I'd f-...I'd finally have a parent, you know. But then, you know, that's when all the arguing would start, you know, it sucked. It's like they were both self-medicating. Unless they were numb, life was just...too much to deal with. Given our situation, I can kinda understand why a person would find that preferable. They've actually been sober, now for...last two years. They tried the whole amends thing...but...with my evasive maneuvers being on auto-pilot...I uh...I didn't want to hear about it. I didn't--I just didn't want any part of it. It's kind of uh, kind of hard now, trying to stay mad at them. You know, I'm not gonna be careless like my parents were. It's not about covering my own ass, it's...it's about watching out for one another. So, yeah, I'm not sure if it's safe here anymore. Talkin' about all this stuff, it's just...it's just giving me a headache. Jonas, you're a bad influence, man.

==Notes==
*Though this is the first time [[Daniel]] has spoken in detail about the troubles with his parents, he has hinted at it several times.
*If [[Daniel]] is worried about what information he gave to [[OpAphid]], it is logical to think that this update was not posted from [[Jonas]]'s house, as The Order may know where it is.

Four-letter words

2007-02-14T05:46:32Z

HyeMew:

'''Four-letter words''' are bad, bad words often used to express anger and frustration. These words should never be said in church or if you are under the age of 13. Regardless, some of the characters in the [[Breeniverse]] sometimes use bad language.

Before it was known that [[lonelygirl15]] was fictional, some fans were surprised by the use of four-letter words, and suggested that this was a clue that viral marketers were not behind the project.

The first appearance of different four-letter words and other bad words is noted below:

* '''Fuck''' — In the video [[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]], in the heat of an argument, [[Bree]] yells, "There's a million ''fucking'' different religions in the world!"
* '''Piss''' — In [[Learning To Drive]] Daniel says he "succeeded in ''pissing'' Bree off again" after he confronts her about her upcoming ceremony. ''Pissed'' is also used as a tag on the Daniel video [[How Could You?]] when Bree cancels a date to attend the Fall Equinox celebration.
* '''Shit''' — In the video [[The Ceremony]], Daniel says, "Oh ''shit''" several times. Also, Daniel's YouTube profile has always said "Favorite Music: ''Shit'' that rocks."
* '''Wank''' — In the video [[Don't Trust The Authorities]], [[Gemma]] said that [[P. Monkey]] is "kind of a ''wanker''." While "wanker" is a fairly freely-used slang term in England, it does have possible sexual connotations, and many fans were upset by this affront to P. Monkey.
* '''Damn''' — Daniel exclaims "''Damn'' it!" in the video [[Warwalking]] when he's unable to find an Internet connection for his laptop.
* '''Goddamn''' — In the video [[The Unthinkable Happened]], Jonas whispers the phrase "''Goddammit''" in response to seeing Bree's father. This word was found extremely offensive by some.
* '''Ass''' — In the video [[Kicked Out]], [[Jonas]] tells Daniel that he is "gonna kick your ''ass''" in a game of foosball.

==Lesser bad words==
These words are considered to be foul by some, while many others do not consider them swear words:
* '''Suck''' — One of Bree's earliest videos is titled [[My Parents Suck...|My Parents ''Suck''...]]; some people find the term offensive.
* '''Hell''' — [[Daniel]] uses the word ''hell'' in the video [[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)]]. The first time a character actually says the word aloud occurs in the video [[Learning To Drive]]. Not all people consider ''hell'' to be a bad word, but Daniel has used it quite a bit.
* '''Crap''' — In the video [[The Ceremony]], Daniel says, "Oh ''crap''!" when he first spots Bree. Many people find this word as offensive as ''shit'', which Daniel also says many times.

[[Category:Notable details]]

Talk:Lonelygirl15 characters

2007-02-14T00:43:30Z

HyeMew:

== Character categories ==

Okay, with the addition of the "Random Girl" character, I wonder about a number of things. (I was about to make a page for her, but then I realized that if she will not be recurring, all one needs to know about her is on the [[Truth Or Dare]] page.) Does she need her own category on this page? If so, is this the right category? It occurs to me that while "Supporting Characters" says "nor do they have speaking parts in general", in fact, I'm pretty sure this is the first time any non-blogging character has spoken on camera. While she is supposedly only appearing in this one video, in a way she has a status above Bree's parents or Lucy because of this fact. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 18:04, 19 January 2007 (CST)

:I think the Guest characters section is a good idea. Random Girl's role is really quite different than any of the other supporting characters. Plus, who knows... we may be having more such guest characters. That would be interesting! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 12:22, 20 January 2007 (CST)

Should "The Cowboy" be added to this page? Also, should this cowboy have his on page? -- [[User:LGFAN|LGFAN]] 11:02, 5 February 2007 (CST)

:The Cowboy should definitely be on here. For now I just linked him to the video [[The Cowboy]] but since it looks like he's going to be making a few more appearances we should probably create a "The Cowboy (character)" page, or actually, we should move the video to "The Cowboy (video)" as we did with [[Purple Monkey (video)]] and [[Aleister Crowley (Video)]]. Hmm... just noticed our capitalization is inconsistent. Video should be lowercase.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:13, 5 February 2007 (CST)

:That sounds good. I also figured it was too early to make an article for the cowboy, especially since all we know about him is pretty much summarized in "The Cowboy" video. I kinda jumped the gun with Uncle Franklin and that was pointless =(
:[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:03, 5 February 2007 (CST)

shouldnt we add like a whatever u would call it section for like all the canon people that just post the videos like tachyon and brother?

:Yeah, we definitely need to add them... I guess I'm still sorta in denial that they're canon. Ugh.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 18:41, 13 February 2007 (CST)
::Amen to that JayBrotha haha. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 18:43, 13 February 2007 (CST)

Four-letter words

2007-02-14T00:42:53Z

HyeMew: Unbolded ass

'''Four-letter words''' are bad, bad words often used to express anger and frustration. These words should never be said in church or if you are under the age of 13. Regardless, some of the characters in the [[Breeniverse]] sometimes use bad language.

Before it was known that [[lonelygirl15]] was fictional, some fans were surprised by the use of four-letter words, and suggested that this was a clue that viral marketers were not behind the project.

The first appearance of different four-letter words and other bad words is noted below:

* '''Suck''' — One of Bree's earliest videos is titled [[My Parents Suck...|My Parents ''Suck''...]]; some people find the term offensive.
* '''Fuck''' — In the video [[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]], in the heat of an argument, [[Bree]] yells, "There's a million ''fucking'' different religions in the world!"
* '''Hell''' — [[Daniel]] uses the word ''hell'' in the video [[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)]]. The first time a character actually says the word aloud occurs in the video [[Learning To Drive]]. Not all people consider ''hell'' to be a bad word, but Daniel has used it quite a bit.
* '''Piss''' — In [[Learning To Drive]] Daniel says he "succeeded in ''pissing'' Bree off again" after he confronts her about her upcoming ceremony. ''Pissed'' is also used as a tag on the Daniel video [[How Could You?]] when Bree cancels a date to attend the Fall Equinox celebration.
* '''Shit''' — In the video [[The Ceremony]], Daniel says, "Oh ''shit''" several times. Also, Daniel's YouTube profile has always said "Favorite Music: ''Shit'' that rocks."
* '''Crap''' — In the video [[The Ceremony]], Daniel says, "Oh ''crap''!" when he first spots Bree. Many people find this word as offensive as ''shit'', which Daniel also says many times.
* '''Wank''' — In the video [[Don't Trust The Authorities]], [[Gemma]] said that [[P. Monkey]] is "kind of a ''wanker''." While "wanker" is a fairly freely-used slang term in England, it does have possible sexual connotations, and many fans were upset by this affront to P. Monkey.
* '''Damn''' — Daniel exclaims "''Damn'' it!" in the video [[Warwalking]] when he's unable to find an Internet connection for his laptop.
* '''Goddamn''' — In the video [[The Unthinkable Happened]], Jonas whispers the phrase "''Goddammit''" in response to seeing Bree's father. This word was found extremely offensive by some.
* '''Ass''' — In the video [[Kicked Out]], [[Jonas]] tells Daniel that he is "gonna kick your ''ass''" in a game of foosball. In the video [[Drinking Problems]] Daniel says "it's not about covering my own ass..."

[[Category:Notable details]]

Four-letter words

2007-02-14T00:42:22Z

HyeMew: Added saying ass in most recent video

'''Four-letter words''' are bad, bad words often used to express anger and frustration. These words should never be said in church or if you are under the age of 13. Regardless, some of the characters in the [[Breeniverse]] sometimes use bad language.

Before it was known that [[lonelygirl15]] was fictional, some fans were surprised by the use of four-letter words, and suggested that this was a clue that viral marketers were not behind the project.

The first appearance of different four-letter words and other bad words is noted below:

* '''Suck''' — One of Bree's earliest videos is titled [[My Parents Suck...|My Parents ''Suck''...]]; some people find the term offensive.
* '''Fuck''' — In the video [[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]], in the heat of an argument, [[Bree]] yells, "There's a million ''fucking'' different religions in the world!"
* '''Hell''' — [[Daniel]] uses the word ''hell'' in the video [[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)]]. The first time a character actually says the word aloud occurs in the video [[Learning To Drive]]. Not all people consider ''hell'' to be a bad word, but Daniel has used it quite a bit.
* '''Piss''' — In [[Learning To Drive]] Daniel says he "succeeded in ''pissing'' Bree off again" after he confronts her about her upcoming ceremony. ''Pissed'' is also used as a tag on the Daniel video [[How Could You?]] when Bree cancels a date to attend the Fall Equinox celebration.
* '''Shit''' — In the video [[The Ceremony]], Daniel says, "Oh ''shit''" several times. Also, Daniel's YouTube profile has always said "Favorite Music: ''Shit'' that rocks."
* '''Crap''' — In the video [[The Ceremony]], Daniel says, "Oh ''crap''!" when he first spots Bree. Many people find this word as offensive as ''shit'', which Daniel also says many times.
* '''Wank''' — In the video [[Don't Trust The Authorities]], [[Gemma]] said that [[P. Monkey]] is "kind of a ''wanker''." While "wanker" is a fairly freely-used slang term in England, it does have possible sexual connotations, and many fans were upset by this affront to P. Monkey.
* '''Damn''' — Daniel exclaims "''Damn'' it!" in the video [[Warwalking]] when he's unable to find an Internet connection for his laptop.
* '''Goddamn''' — In the video [[The Unthinkable Happened]], Jonas whispers the phrase "''Goddammit''" in response to seeing Bree's father. This word was found extremely offensive by some.
* '''Ass''' — In the video [[Kicked Out]], [[Jonas]] tells Daniel that he is "gonna kick your ''ass''" in a game of foosball. In the video [[Drinking Problems]] Daniel says "it's not about covering my own '''ass'''"

[[Category:Notable details]]

Talk:Four-letter words

2007-02-14T00:41:21Z

HyeMew: Crap as offensive as shit?

Template talk:Userbox HSAOKeynote

2007-02-12T07:23:26Z

HyeMew:

There has been a recent explosion in the number of LG422 template boxes, and I think this one is the last straw. This is made specially for him, it cannot apply to anyone else. Can we please cut down on this and perhaps some of the other excess ones that have been made lately? [[User:71.224.243.78|71.224.243.78]] 09:25, 11 February 2007 (CST)
:This template could be used for those who contributed to other HSAO graduations. Although the last HSAO graduation address had no individual speaker, many people participated in the "keynote address," such as NikkiBower, Simian Liberation Front, Paul (from Paul & Andrea), twj, Jonas (or whoever writes for him), Sister, Dr. Immant, APAZ, etc. I just say this because the userbox ''could be'' used by some other cool folks, I guess. Ogog [[User:71.245.65.135|71.245.65.135]] 10:59, 11 February 2007 (CST)

::Not really. The keynote is the main speech and only LordGreystoke422 gave it. Nobody else can use this box the way that it's written.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:15, 12 February 2007 (CST)

::Userboxes are about individual expression. I am growing very tired of the Harrasment. I understand that you abhor the constitution, but honestly..get over it. There is an OBVIOUS pattern to certain people's posts. It's one thing to not like something..but if I do something for a FREAKING MY userpage, one of these dingdongs has to complain. Explosion of LG422 Userboxes? WHAT? Like 5 total not counting the ones created by SuperRus in order to harass me? Considering I have close to 60 videos..it's not that much...Ya think there's a BUNCH? I hardly got started yet..I got series of Userboxes planned and people that want them. It boils down to this..if you don't like em...Don't USE EM. A couple of guidlines on userbox creation from wikipedia.
# Userboxes must not include blatant incivility or personal attacks.
# Userboxes must not be intentionally inflammatory or divisive.

I'd say userboxes talking about I am a knob of cheese fall here..also the majority of the SherrifOfNottingham's userboxes with regards to me would fall in this venue of personal attacks especially when viewed in context. I saw them and laughed at most of them and shook my head at others and thought they were someone expressing their opinion on their user page and to each their own. However, since it seems I can't even have harmless fun without some idiot making an issue of it maybe I need to be a troll myself. BASICALLY.. STOP IT before you ruin the enjoyment of the wikipedia for EVERYONE here. I do NOT cave to harassing behavior..I crush it. Additionally, TRY creating an account or signing IN when you post here, especially posts such as this one. Or are you EMBARASSED by your behavior? If you can't be that much of a productive member to even register maybe you should go away.--[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 11:38, 11 February 2007 (CST)

:I think "explosion" is definitely an overstatement if you're referring to the number of userboxes relating to LG422. I'm also generally accepting about userboxes, but I have to say the one's on Nottingham's page, which are all clearly knock-offs of other's boxes, would not be acceptable because their sole purpose is to put others down. That's really not the spirit, but they're not really userboxes, they're just code on the userpage. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 19:02, 11 February 2007 (CST)

==Be nice, please==

I want to address the treatment of [[User talk:71.224.243.78|71.224.243.78]]'s initial comment. I don't think his point is unreasonable. We sorta had a standard that a spin-off had one or two userboxes. And he's also correct that this is not a Userbox in the sense that it only applies to one user. There's really no reason to call [[User talk:71.224.243.78|71.224.243.78]] an idiot, a troll or a dingdong, and I don't like that sort of bullying and ALL CAPS threatening that's occured on this page. Ad hominem attack is definitely out of bounds and I'm getting tired of the growing amount of it on our wiki.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:15, 12 February 2007 (CST)

:Since this post is obviously directed at me...and I am bullying? Are ya SURE? I am doing my own thing and people go out of their way to give me grief. Its amazing that you take the time to defend someone that doesnt even bother to register..the only thing they bother to do is complain about me or something related to me. Having looked at the wiki userbox guidlines...they are personal.There is nothing that says I can't make a userbox just for me. I read the rules. It goes on a personal userpage. If there is a problem with a userbox that can only be used for one person..then how is it much different to have a userbox for just 3 people. Validity of a userbox is not determined by how many people can use it. If you fail to see that I am being harassed I really don't know what to say. If you think I am bullying others by defending myself..then you sir have issues. Since we all can't get along and play nice. I would like all the defamatory userboxes removed immediately. That is within the guidlines of the standard wikipedia userbox use...including the not userbox userboxes on Sherrifofnottinham's user page. On that note I will delete ALL LG422 related userboxes as someone has issues with all of them. Jay..I can read unfiction and other boards..I can see what you and others have said about me. I must assume that this is where this comes from. If you think you can do better..than myself..or the creators...the internet awaits. You don't like the bullying huh? Well speak up when it's directed at me. You want civility..be civil --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 01:06, 12 February 2007 (CST)

::Actually I have bothered to register. It's just that it seems to like to sign me out so often that I just stopped bothering to sign in to begin with. I very much am a registered user though and since you used it as an opportunity to attack me and make it seem as if my complaint was without merit, I have logged in and am posting here to show I am not hiding behind an IP nor afraid of revealing my identity. Let me also say I had no idea about these Sherrif userboxes, if they attack you then they should be deleted. Beyond that isolated incident, I certainly wasn't "bullying" you in any way, nor do I think anyone other person was. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 01:22, 12 February 2007 (CST)

Template talk:Userbox HSAOKeynote

2007-02-12T07:22:34Z

HyeMew:

There has been a recent explosion in the number of LG422 template boxes, and I think this one is the last straw. This is made specially for him, it cannot apply to anyone else. Can we please cut down on this and perhaps some of the other excess ones that have been made lately? [[User:71.224.243.78|71.224.243.78]] 09:25, 11 February 2007 (CST)
:This template could be used for those who contributed to other HSAO graduations. Although the last HSAO graduation address had no individual speaker, many people participated in the "keynote address," such as NikkiBower, Simian Liberation Front, Paul (from Paul & Andrea), twj, Jonas (or whoever writes for him), Sister, Dr. Immant, APAZ, etc. I just say this because the userbox ''could be'' used by some other cool folks, I guess. Ogog [[User:71.245.65.135|71.245.65.135]] 10:59, 11 February 2007 (CST)

::Not really. The keynote is the main speech and only LordGreystoke422 gave it. Nobody else can use this box the way that it's written.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:15, 12 February 2007 (CST)

::Userboxes are about individual expression. I am growing very tired of the Harrasment. I understand that you abhor the constitution, but honestly..get over it. There is an OBVIOUS pattern to certain people's posts. It's one thing to not like something..but if I do something for a FREAKING MY userpage, one of these dingdongs has to complain. Explosion of LG422 Userboxes? WHAT? Like 5 total not counting the ones created by SuperRus in order to harass me? Considering I have close to 60 videos..it's not that much...Ya think there's a BUNCH? I hardly got started yet..I got series of Userboxes planned and people that want them. It boils down to this..if you don't like em...Don't USE EM. A couple of guidlines on userbox creation from wikipedia.
# Userboxes must not include blatant incivility or personal attacks.
# Userboxes must not be intentionally inflammatory or divisive.

I'd say userboxes talking about I am a knob of cheese fall here..also the majority of the SherrifOfNottingham's userboxes with regards to me would fall in this venue of personal attacks especially when viewed in context. I saw them and laughed at most of them and shook my head at others and thought they were someone expressing their opinion on their user page and to each their own. However, since it seems I can't even have harmless fun without some idiot making an issue of it maybe I need to be a troll myself. BASICALLY.. STOP IT before you ruin the enjoyment of the wikipedia for EVERYONE here. I do NOT cave to harassing behavior..I crush it. Additionally, TRY creating an account or signing IN when you post here, especially posts such as this one. Or are you EMBARASSED by your behavior? If you can't be that much of a productive member to even register maybe you should go away.--[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 11:38, 11 February 2007 (CST)

:I think "explosion" is definitely an overstatement if you're referring to the number of userboxes relating to LG422. I'm also generally accepting about userboxes, but I have to say the one's on Nottingham's page, which are all clearly knock-offs of other's boxes, would not be acceptable because their sole purpose is to put others down. That's really not the spirit, but they're not really userboxes, they're just code on the userpage. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 19:02, 11 February 2007 (CST)

==Be nice, please==

I want to address the treatment of [[User talk:71.224.243.78|71.224.243.78]]'s initial comment. I don't think his point is unreasonable. We sorta had a standard that a spin-off had one or two userboxes. And he's also correct that this is not a Userbox in the sense that it only applies to one user. There's really no reason to call [[User talk:71.224.243.78|71.224.243.78]] an idiot, a troll or a dingdong, and I don't like that sort of bullying and ALL CAPS threatening that's occured on this page. Ad hominem attack is definitely out of bounds and I'm getting tired of the growing amount of it on our wiki.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:15, 12 February 2007 (CST)

:Since this post is obviously directed at me...and I am bullying? Are ya SURE? I am doing my own thing and people go out of their way to give me grief. Its amazing that you take the time to defend someone that doesnt even bother to register..the only thing they bother to do is complain about me or something related to me. Having looked at the wiki userbox guidlines...they are personal.There is nothing that says I can't make a userbox just for me. I read the rules. It goes on a personal userpage. If there is a problem with a userbox that can only be used for one person..then how is it much different to have a userbox for just 3 people. Validity of a userbox is not determined by how many people can use it. If you fail to see that I am being harassed I really don't know what to say. If you think I am bullying others by defending myself..then you sir have issues. Since we all can't get along and play nice. I would like all the defamatory userboxes removed immediately. That is within the guidlines of the standard wikipedia userbox use...including the not userbox userboxes on Sherrifofnottinham's user page. On that note I will delete ALL LG422 related userboxes as someone has issues with all of them. Jay..I can read unfiction and other boards..I can see what you and others have said about me. I must assume that this is where this comes from. If you think you can do better..than myself..or the creators...the internet awaits. You don't like the bullying huh? Well speak up when it's directed at me. You want civility..be civil --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 01:06, 12 February 2007 (CST)

::Actually I have bothered to register. It's just that it seems to like to sign me out so often that I just stopped bothering to sign in to begin with. I very much am a registered user though and since you used it as an opportunity to attack me and make it seem as if my complaint was as if merit, I have logged in and am posting here to show I am not hiding behind an IP nor afraid of revealing my identity. Let me also say I had no idea about these Sherrif userboxes, if they attack you then they should be deleted. Beyond that isolated incident, I certainly wasn't "bullying" you in any way, nor do I think anyone other person was. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 01:22, 12 February 2007 (CST)

Talk:GuillotineCalamity

2007-02-03T06:04:25Z

HyeMew:

veritas means truth in latin. it's harvard's motto.--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 18:24, 23 January 2007 (CST)

So...codes into truth? [[User:Crowcity]]

{{feature nomination}}
Ok, so I nominate GC's page because I think it has a fair amount of clarity, cleanliness and <i>is</i> related to LG15, as some of her videos are in response to LG15 videos, and the storyline revolves around a community, just like Bree's. And Like LL's page, let's not try to argue. This is a discussion, not a competitive debate. .--[[User:Crowcity|Crowcity]]

::Without debate, I am totally against this. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 23:45, 2 February 2007 (CST)

:::Here, here. Totally against it. It is problematic FEATURING a fanfic. I think we should gather 'round and think of various themes that have run through LG15, whether early on or now. Pages related to those things should be featured, not response videos made by unrelated people. What does that add to our better understanding of lonelygirl15? I mean come on, if you are short of things, try featuring P. Monkey, or Owen, or Thor, to just name three. Each of those are deeply related to LG15 herself and would be of interest. There are other less well known but firmly canonical things which could also fit the bill of appropriateness, but a fanfic with no real cross-over in the lonelygirl world should make it. (Now if it was a fan-fic directly tied into the plot, or one that is obvious comedy, might be a different story.) [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 00:04, 3 February 2007 (CST)

Talk:Anton LaVey

2007-02-02T02:25:22Z

HyeMew:

==Deletion==
I nominated this page for deletion over a week ago, and so far no one has opposed. If nobody disagrees in another day or so, I'll take care of it. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:02, 29 January 2007 (CST)
::I don't 100% agree or disagree. I think influences were pulled from his philosophies. Maybe more of a biography and explanation of his theories that mirror occurances in LG15 would be more suitable?--[[User:Killthesmiley|Killthesmiley]] 14:06, 1 February 2007 (CST)
:::That might be better. See, I wasn't around for some of the earlier speculation, so I'm not sure what people were talking about in the forums. If there were philosophies that he seemed to share with Bree's religion, this article doesn't mention them. If you're interested in revising it, that would be great. However, we're merging some pages like these to [[Possible influences of Bree's religion]]. Would you mind posting the revised content as a section there? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:17, 1 February 2007 (CST)
:::Give me time,a nd I'll be happy to write up a brief summary of similarities between some of his philosophies and Bree's prior to runing from the order, plus what we do know about the order from what she has told us, plus what OpAphid has shown us.--[[User:Killthesmiley|Killthesmiley]] 14:25, 1 February 2007 (CST)
::::I don't really like constant speculation, like how all over lgpedia comparisons are drawn with things otherwise never mentioned. I feel like if LaVey had ever really come up that'd be one thing, but the fact that he has some similarities with Crowley's beliefs isn't all that compelling a reason to give him his own page for me. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 14:31, 1 February 2007 (CST)

::::I agree with HyeMew. We have a clearly established precedent on the LGPedia that our standards are much higher than the forums with regards to speculation. I won't rehash those arguments -- and I won't judge Anton LaVey until I see the evidence. But unless there's a direct connection to LaVey in lonelygirl15 or OpAphid, than he belongs on the [[Possible influences of Bree's religion]] page.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 14:40, 1 February 2007 (CST)

:::::Well the only link is that his philosphies and beliefs are greatly influenced by Crowley. So the majority of similarities would already be pointed out with Crowley (hopefully). Thats the only link. I think the other link is that Crowley's belief system is often mistaked for Satan Worship, while LaVey is a philosopher of Satanism (two completely different practices, but often mistake for each other).--[[User:Killthesmiley|Killthesmiley]] 14:48, 1 February 2007 (CST)

::::::Based on that evidence, I'd say it's a delete then. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 15:05, 1 February 2007 (CST)

:::::::Not altogether a delete. I think it's worth mentioning on the Possible influences page, even if only to clarify what Killthesmiley mentioned. Then we could make this page a redirect. You more than anyone else know how many people are still going around wondering if Bree is a satanist... [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 15:17, 1 February 2007 (CST)

:::::::: I am for a paragraph or two on page with a lot of other influences. Inclusion should be a quick blurb maybe on the mistaken connection between Crowley and Lavey and Satanism. Mostly whats in there is fine..OIC's last post sounds like the right approach. I am for redirect to a merged influence page. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 18:09, 1 February 2007 (CST)

:::::I wouldn't say his philosophies and beliefs are greatly influenced by Crowley. Yes, he obviously read Crowley, but he clearly didn't understand it or else didn't think enough of it to look farther into it. The similarities are VERY shallow. LaVey stated that his religion was "just Ayn Rand's philosophy, with ceremony and ritual added." LaVey as cited in Bill Ellis, Raising the Devil: Satanism, New Religions, and the Media (Lexington, Kentucky: University Press of Kentucky, 2000)

:::::LaVey himself stated that anyone who thought he borrowed from Crowley was completely misinformed. What he did borrow from Crowley he misunderstood and twisted. So, unless we're doing an article on Ayn Rand too, I don't see a reason for this.
--[[User:Tannhaus|Tannhaus]] 19:18, 1 February 2007 (CST)

:::::: Ahh sounds good, so he's a definite delete then. Please dispose of him, he is totally unrelated, the thelemite has speak...ed.

:::::::I think the misunderstanding about LaVey might be all the more reason to at least briefly mention and clarify his position on the Influences page. It doesn't hurt to clarify what LG422 and Tannhaus just pointed out to all of us. Viewers associated LG15 with LaVey because of ''perceived'', but misguided connections between Crowley and LaVey, and LaVey and what we think of as satanism. It wouldn't take more than a couple of paragraphs to explain, and it wouldn't require delving into Ayn Rand either. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 19:56, 1 February 2007 (CST)

:::::::::I hope you aren't implying Bree hasn't read The Fountainhead... come on, of course she has! Ayn Rand gets a page! [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 20:25, 1 February 2007 (CST)

Talk:Anton LaVey

2007-02-01T21:05:15Z

HyeMew:

Talk:Anton LaVey

2007-02-01T20:31:48Z

HyeMew:

For The Ladies

2007-01-27T05:23:59Z

HyeMew: Added a note

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|description = So, I'm heading out again. Gonna try to meet that girl from the bowling alley the other week.
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'''For The Ladies''' is the one hundred twenty-second video in the Lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].

== Transcript ==

== Notes ==
*This episodes represents the first time there were two consecutive episodes by Daniel in a row.

Naming Bree's Dad

2007-01-26T05:59:51Z

HyeMew: Corrected question mark to actual name

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| name = Naming Bree's Dad
| number = NBR11
| image =
| caption =
| date = January 25nd, 2007
| url = [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvCBJ8RQltQ YouTube]
| description = Thank you for the name submissions. I know Bree would be proud of all of you. It was a difficult decision...
| tags = nikkibowerreport bree dad paul sushi bread
| Previous = Investigating Pins and Pints
| Next =
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'''Naming Bree's Dad''' is the eleventh video in the Nikki Bower Report series. It was posted in response to [[Foosball Battle]], but concludes the contest Nikki proposed in [[The Last Hours of Bree's Dad's Life - NBR 9]].

Nikki decides that until Bree reveals otherwise, she will call [[Bree's father|Bree's dad]] Drew Avery.

==Transcript==
'''Nikki:''' Hey guys, Nikki B. here. Thanks for joining me for lunch. Havin' a little sushi in between some investigations- but I just wanted to address Bree's dad's naming. Thank you everyone for all of your great imput, I got so many great responses, thank you for making your response videos- I got some great fans!
Amyjess suggested "Bread" because that's Bree/Dad put together, you get it, bread? ColinG suggested "Brad"- same thing, Bree and Dad- Brad. Robtomorrow suggested Robert Paulson.. just because. Longtimelurker came up with Francis Powell, which is based on the drycleaners than Bree called. CCGrocksU creatively came up with Xavier WaChaCha... hmm, it could happen.
I did receive a submission from Daniel's friend Paul, and even he- being closely connected- doesn't know Bree's dad's name. His suggestion? *looks around* Paul. Thanks Paul. One of my favorites was from luv2skydive. They suggested that Bree's dad's name be "Drew Avery". That's a combination of Nancy Drew and Oswald Avery, who was a doctor and researcher. Pretty cool combo if you ask me. And of course a lot of you mentioned the name "Gerald", because I forgot to mention Gerald Ford's passing. But hey guys, Gerald Ford is in my heart. We go way back to Watergate... me and Gerald *makes finger motion implying 'tight'*. Gerald, I miss him! *sad face*
So what's my suggestion for Bree's dad's name you ask? Well I think it should be Richard Owen. Richard because he kind of looks like he could be a Richard, and Owen because, you know, Owen the turtle.
Plus, Richard Owen was a biologist and paleontologist and a peer of Charles Darwin. I feel that could be Bree's dad. Alright guys, I want to thank all of you for all your great suggestions for Bree's dad's name, but I had to pick one- so the winner of Bree's dad's name is- drumroll *drums with chopsticks*- "Drew Avery"! Great job, luv2skydive, it's very hip, very young, very inventive. We're going to stick with "Drew Avery". Now of course Bree's dad will always be "Bree's dad", until Bree herself comes out and tells us his name, I think we'll just call him "Drew Avery"- has a nice sound to it- Drewav(?)...

-Video Ends black screen saying "IN MEMORY OF BREE'S DAD DREW AVERY"*

Naming Bree's Dad

2007-01-26T05:32:34Z

HyeMew: Fixed stuff at the end

{{NBR
| name = Naming Bree's Dad
| number = NBR11
| image =
| caption =
| date = January 25nd, 2007
| url = [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvCBJ8RQltQ YouTube]
| description = Thank you for the name submissions. I know Bree would be proud of all of you. It was a difficult decision...
| tags = nikkibowerreport bree dad paul sushi bread
| Previous = Investigating Pins and Pints
| Next =
}}
'''Naming Bree's Dad''' is the eleventh video in the Nikki Bower Report series. It was posted in response to [[Foosball Battle]], but concludes the contest Nikki proposed in [[The Last Hours of Bree's Dad's Life - NBR 9]].

Nikki decides that until Bree reveals otherwise, she will call [[Bree's father|Bree's dad]] Drew Avery.

==Transcript==
'''Nikki:''' Hey guys, Nikki B. here. Thanks for joining me for lunch. Havin' a little sushi in between some investigations- but I just wanted to address Bree's dad's naming. Thank you everyone for all of your great imput, I got so many great responses, thank you for making your response videos- I got some great fans!
Amyjess suggested "Bread" because that's Bree/Dad put together, you get it, bread? ColinG suggested "Brad"- same thing, Bree and Dad- Brad. Robtomorrow suggested Robert (?).. just because. Longtimelurker came up with Francis Powell, which is based on the drycleaners than Bree called. CCGrocksU creatively came up with Xavier WaChaCha... hmm, it could happen.
I did receive a submission from Daniel's friend Paul, and even he- being closely connected- doesn't know Bree's dad's name. His suggestion? *looks around* Paul. Thanks Paul. One of my favorites was from luv2skydive. They suggested that Bree's dad's name be "Drew Avery". That's a combination of Nancy Drew and Oswald Avery, who was a doctor and researcher. Pretty cool combo if you ask me. And of course a lot of you mentioned the name "Gerald", because I forgot to mention Gerald Ford's passing. But hey guys, Gerald Ford is in my heart. We go way back to Watergate... me and Gerald *makes finger motion implying 'tight'*. Gerald, I miss him! *sad face*
So what's my suggestion for Bree's dad's name you ask? Well I think it should be Richard Owen. Richard because he kind of looks like he could be a Richard, and Owen because, you know, Owen the turtle.
Plus, Richard Owen was a biologist and paleontologist and a peer of Charles Darwin. I feel that could be Bree's dad. Alright guys, I want to thank all of you for all your great suggestions for Bree's dad's name, but I had to pick one- so the winner of Bree's dad's name is- drumroll *drums with chopsticks*- "Drew Avery"! Great job, luv2skydive, it's very hip, very young, very inventive. We're going to stick with "Drew Avery". Now of course Bree's dad will always be "Bree's dad", until Bree herself comes out and tells us his name, I think we'll just call him "Drew Avery"- has a nice sound to it- Drewav(?)...

-Video Ends black screen saying "IN MEMORY OF BREE'S DAD DREW AVERY"*

Naming Bree's Dad

2007-01-26T05:30:58Z

HyeMew: Finished transcrip

{{NBR
| name = Naming Bree's Dad
| number = NBR11
| image =
| caption =
| date = January 25nd, 2007
| url = [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvCBJ8RQltQ YouTube]
| description = Thank you for the name submissions. I know Bree would be proud of all of you. It was a difficult decision...
| tags = nikkibowerreport bree dad paul sushi bread
| Previous = Investigating Pins and Pints
| Next =
}}
'''Naming Bree's Dad''' is the eleventh video in the Nikki Bower Report series. It was posted in response to [[Foosball Battle]], but concludes the contest Nikki proposed in [[The Last Hours of Bree's Dad's Life - NBR 9]].

Nikki decides that until Bree reveals otherwise, she will call [[Bree's father|Bree's dad]] Drew Avery.

==Transcript==
'''Nikki:''' Hey guys, Nikki B. here. Thanks for joining me for lunch. Havin' a little sushi in between some investigations- but I just wanted to address Bree's dad's naming. Thank you everyone for all of your great imput, I got so many great responses, thank you for making your response videos- I got some great fans!
Amyjess suggested "Bread" because that's Bree/Dad put together, you get it, bread? ColinG suggested "Brad"- same thing, Bree and Dad- Brad. Robtomorrow suggested Robert (?).. just because. Longtimelurker came up with Francis Powell, which is based on the drycleaners than Bree called. CCGrocksU creatively came up with Xavier WaChaCha... hmm, it could happen.
I did receive a submission from Daniel's friend Paul, and even he- being closely connected- doesn't know Bree's dad's name. His suggestion? *looks around* Paul. Thanks Paul. One of my favorites was from luv2skydive. They suggested that Bree's dad's name be "Drew Avery". That's a combination of Nancy Drew and Oswald Avery, who was a doctor and researcher. Pretty cool combo if you ask me. And of course a lot of you mentioned the name "Gerald", because I forgot to mention Gerald Ford's passing. But hey guys, Gerald Ford is in my heart. We go way back to Watergate... me and Gerald *makes finger motion implying 'tight'*. Gerald, I miss him! *sad face*
So what's my suggestion for Bree's dad's name you ask? Well I think it should be Richard Owen. Richard because he kind of looks like he could be a Richard, and Owen because, you know, Owen the turtle.
Plus, Richard Owen was a biologist and paleontologist and a peer of Charles Darwin. I feel that could be Bree's dad. Alright guys, I want to thank all of you for all your great suggestions for Bree's dad's name, but I had to pick one- so the winner of Bree's dad's name is- drumroll *drums with chopsticks*- "Drew Avery"! Great job, luv2skydive, it's very hip, very young, very inventive. We're going to stick with "Drew Avery". Now of course Bree's dad will always be "Bree's dad", until Bree herself comes out and tells us his name, I think we'll just call him "Drew Avery"- has a nice sound to it- Drewav(?)...
*ends black screen saying "IN MEMORY OF BREE'S DAD DREW AVERY"*

[[TRANSCRIPT INCOMPLETE]]

Naming Bree's Dad

2007-01-26T05:13:23Z

HyeMew: Added first part of transcript

{{NBR
| name = Naming Bree's Dad
| number = NBR11
| image =
| caption =
| date = January 25nd, 2007
| url = [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvCBJ8RQltQ YouTube]
| description = Thank you for the name submissions. I know Bree would be proud of all of you. It was a difficult decision...
| tags = nikkibowerreport bree dad paul sushi bread
| Previous = Investigating Pins and Pints
| Next =
}}
'''Naming Bree's Dad''' is the eleventh video in the Nikki Bower Report series. It was posted in response to [[Foosball Battle]], but concludes the contest Nikki proposed in [[The Last Hours of Bree's Dad's Life - NBR 9]].

Nikki decides that until Bree reveals otherwise, she will call [[Bree's father|Bree's dad]] Drew Avery.

==Transcript==
'''Nikki:''' Hey guys, Nikki B. here. Thanks for joining me for lunch. Havin' a little sushi in between some investigations- but I just wanted to address Bree's dad's naming. Thank you everyone for all of your great imput, I got so many great responses, thank you for making your response videos- I got some great fans!
Amyjess suggested "Bread" because that's Bree/Dad put together, you get it, bread? ColinG suggested "Brad"- same thing, Bree and Dad- Brad. Robtomorrow(?) suggested Robert (?).. just because. Longtimelurker came up with Francis Powell, which is based on the drycleaners than Bree called. CCGrocksU creatively came up with Xavier WaChaCha... hmm, it could happen.
I did receive a submission from Daniel's friend Paul, and even he- being closely connected- doesn't know Bree's dad's name. His suggestion? *looks around* Paul. Thanks Paul. One of my favorites was from luv2skydive. They suggested that Bree's dad's name be "Drew Avery". That's a combination of Nancy Drew and Oswald Avery, who was a doctor and researcher. Pretty cool combo if you ask me. And of course a lot of you mentioned the name "Gerald", because I forgot to mention Gerald Ford's passing. But hey guys, Gerald Ford is in my heart. We go way back to Watergate... me and Gerald *makes finger motion implying 'tight'* Gerald! *sad face*

[[TRANSCRIPT INCOMPLETE]]

Nikki Bower

2007-01-26T00:43:27Z

HyeMew: /* List of Videos */ Added new episode

{{Person
| name = Nikki Bower
| image = NBR1.jpg
| age =
| birthday = ("Pisces")
| youtube = NikkiBowerReport
| revver = NikkiBower
| myspace = nikkibowerreport
| actor = Nikki Bower{{!}}Nikki Bower (?)
| first = LG15 in Topanga Canyon - NBR 1
}}
'''Nikki Bower''' is a [[YouTube]]/[[Revver]] user who has posted several fan videos in which she purports to be an investigative reporter following the trail of clues for [[Lonelygirl15 (production)|lonelygirl15]].

==Is Nikki Official?==
Many fans speculate Nikki may be an official character of the LG15 series, but so far this has not been proven. Some fans speculate that she may become an official character eventually, much like [[Gemma]] and [[Jonas]] did. Others believe that she may have been created as a source to disclose information to LG15 fans without straight-out saying it in one of the other official videos.

The production value of her videos suggest she may be an official character; however her videos lack the repeated cuts found in other canon videos (which gave away both Gemma and Jonas). Additionally, in her first video she displayed the full URL of the forum, which many fans speculate may be yet another clue to her being official (trying to attract fans to the forum).

In comments after Nikki's sixth video "Where is Jonas?" a YouTuber called Memewhile declared "This is another actor hired by the Creative Artist agency in LA as part of the Lonelygirl15 series. She is reading a script written by Ramesh Flinders". Nikki responded by saying innocently, "Who's Ramesh?"

The most significant clue which may point to her being an official character is found in her video [[What I Found at Topanga Canyon - NBR 2]]. In this video, Nikki Bower finds a small box near the site of [[The Ceremony]] with a lock of blond hair in it. However, on the top of the box the symbol of [[Watcher|The Watchers]] is engraved. This video was posted ten days ''before'' [[Gemma]]'s video [[A Watcher]] was posted, where the symbol was first introduced.

However, one theory that adresses this issue is that Nikki is simply a fan who has been recieving tips from the Creators. In her first video, Nikki goes to Topanga Canyon but doesn't find anything, and asks for ideas from other fans. In her next video, she says that "I got a lot of tips, and I am back here in Topanga Canyon." And later: "I was told in a private email message, that longitude may have more signifigance than we think. And it may have to do with footsteps." When she takes 118 steps (corresponding to 118 degrees longitude where the canyon is located) she reaches a bridge. "One of you guys told me to keep my eyes out for the bridge... this is the bridge." And looking around the bridge, she finds the box. It is quite possible that the anonymous tipper was The Creators, who got excited at Nikki's first video and decided to plant some clues. Later, in NBR 7, Nikki finds Gemma's building after "I was lucky enough to get an anonymous message that gave me the ZIP Code of where Gemma is residing. I don't know if it was from Tachyon herself or one of her cohorts..." So it seems that Nikki is not exactly an official character, but simply a fan who has caught the attention of the Creators - a pawn, if you will.

==Other Miscellaneous Info==

[[Image:NBRNDGTL.gif|thumb|left|Nancy Drew?]]In her video [[Watchers Everywhere - NBR 4]], Nikki reads from a copy of [[Nancy Drew's Guide to Life]], a book that was found in a [[Drop 3 (The Tachyon Mystery Stories)|Tachyon drop]]. She reads the following quote from the book:
:''"Don't discount faint lines or indecipherable blotches on discarded pieces of paper. A magnifying glass might reveal them to be very small words."''

In most of her videos, Nikki is walking around and the camera is following her, even though she is clearly not holding it. Nikki never acknowledges a camera person, but it is obvious that she must have one. When asked who her cameraman was by a YTer, she replied that it was her mom. (comment on NBR 6)

The YTer Moldova pointed out that a tag on her third video is "nikkiebowerreport" (note spelling with "e") leading one to ask the obvious question: who spells their own name wrong?

==List of Videos==
*[[LG15 in Topanga Canyon - NBR 1]]
*[[What I Found at Topanga Canyon - NBR 2]]
*[[What's in the Box/Bree & Daniel Update - NBR 3]]
*[[Watchers Everywhere - NBR 4]]
*[[My Day at the Movies - NBR 5]]
*[[Where Is Jonas? - NBR 6]]
*[[Investigating Gemma - NBR 7]]
*[[Happy Holidays LG15 - NBR 8]]
*[[The Last Hours of Bree's Dad's Life - NBR 9]]
*[[Investigating Pins and Pints]]
*[[Naming Bree's Dad]]

[[Category:Fan fiction]]
[[Category:Theories and speculation]]

Investigating Pins and Pints

2007-01-25T14:47:46Z

HyeMew: Changed number from ninth to tenth

{{NBR
| name = Investigating Pins and Pints
| number = NBR10
| image = NBR10.jpg
| caption = "Where the heck's Gemma been?!"
| date = January 22nd, 2007
| url = [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU1c_kxL8ts YouTube]
| description = I went in search of Pins & Pints and Daniel's lost ID.

Music: She Looks Like You by Arthur Yoria [http://www.myspace.com/arthuryoria]
| tags = nikkibowerreport nikki daniel lonelygirl15 beer bowling lucy scott
| Previous = The Last Hours of Bree's Dad's Life - NBR 9
| Next =
}}
'''Investigating Pins and Pints''' is the tenth video in the Nikki Bower Report series. It was posted in response to [[Time To Grow Up]], but investigates information related to the two videos previous to it.

==Transcript==

==Notes==
* This may be the first Nikki Bower Report to contain virtually no useful information.
* This is the second episode (along with the previous one) in which Nikki employs a "man on the street" investigative style, reminiscent of Jay Leno's Jaywalking segment.

Forum vote

2007-01-02T22:44:19Z

HyeMew: /* Best Video */

[[Image:Breed.JPG|thumbnail|TOP!!]]

= The Best LG-15 Moments of 2006-Continued Voting =

In true LG15 style, '''Top 15''' lists for 2006 shall be created, as voted by fans.

The main video message board contributors have already voted. We are now opening up voting to forum members and others who have not voted yet.

'''The new deadline for voting is Midnight, EST on 01/16/06!'''

Please leave an X, followed by a comma to indicate your vote in each category!!

Also, ADD any videos or moments you feel should be on this list!!

'''DISCLAIMER:''' The voting(so far) was created after bored lonelycracks on the comment board on New Year's eve had the idea. It was created by regulars from the comment boards. Forums and ARG might be underrepresented. Please feel free to add new categories to change this! Also, please note that there is no statistical significance concerning the whole of LG15 users to the voting.

== Best Video ==

*Christmas Surprise

*Daniel Returns and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)

*Fleeing the Watchers

*Grillz X

*My Difficult Decision

*On the Run

*P*Monkey Boogies X,

*Poor Pluto

*Proving Longitude Wrong

*Swimming

*The Unthinkable Happened X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,

*What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?

* My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!) X, X

'''Summary (so far):
*Total nominations: 13
*Total Votes: 65

== Best Moments ==

*Bree: "Shh... cavemen didn’t have the tool of language!” (Daniel the Neanderthal)

*Bree: “Now I’m gonna demonstrate a common but deadly tactic known as the yawn technique. Let’s pretend for the moment that Thor here is a poor unsuspecting girl bear and I’m a not so poor and not so unsuspecting boy bear with questionable motives.” (My First Kiss)X,X,X,X,

*Daniel: "L'care x, X, X,X
http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=L%27care

*Daniel: “Today we’re going to learn about the Cornwallis Effect. Isn’t that cool?” (nods while Bree’s face falls into the magazine, probably out of frustration and disbelief) (Proving Science Wrong… with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15)

*The "shot"(?) heard round the Breeniverse (The Unthinkable Happened) X, X

*Daniel: Is that on? Bree: (Looks around, nervous.) No. (The Danielbeast)

*Daniel: "Oranges, ah, here we go. She loves oranges, so let's-- " (Breakfast In Bed)

*Gemma calling P. Monkey a "wanker". (Don't trust the authorities)

*Bree: “P. Monkey and Owen have even offered to room together, so you’ll have your own room. That’s pretty generous.” (Bree Phone Home).

*Bree: “Shower cap? (Bree turns Owen towards the camera, and shakes him, making his head nod.) Check.” (Exploring the Motel)

*”My name is Bree. I’m 16. Um, I don’t really wanna tell you where I live…’cause, you could stalk me.” {image freezes, ‘Psycho’ music plays, and girl screams} (First Blog/Dorkiness Prevails).

*Bree: "Whatever happened to that girl Cassie?" (Swimming) x

'''SUMMARY: (so far):'''
*Total nominations: 11
*Total votes: 38

== Best Fan Videos (Video Comment) ==

*"P. Monkey In Charge" - http://one.revver.com/watch/106858 - T.W. Janiak

*"It'sKassie-Scary Dreams"- http://one.revver.com/watch/120633- voyboy

*"Wanker?!?" - http://one.revver.com/watch/98782 -LonesomeOct

*"The Cult's Using Orange!!" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1HBX-f_TrI - dnegroni - HoorayItsMeImMakingOut! (mimo)

*"Dr. Marbella-Removing "Bugs" from Stuffed Friends - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY53_bExubI - Marbella

*"This Is My Story Now" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IcYUifgEfw - cassieiswatching X,X,X

*"LonelyCrack - Heads Anonymous" - nobby1985

*"Foiling The Black Lodge" - http://one.revver.com/watch/90996 -LordGreystoke

*"Lonelygirl15 Cthulhu Interview" - http://one.revver.com/watch/70358 -LoneseomeOct

*"To LG-15 Bree from Marbella" - http://one.revver.com/watch/110662 -Marbella

*"It's On, Gemma!" - http://one.revver.com/find/title/It's%20On%2C%20Gemma! -LonesomeOct, X,X,

*"Now Hiring" - http://one.revver.com/watch/105636 - ApotheosisAZX

*"In Stores Now" - http://one.revver.com/watch/128953 - (G Version)-Fan Video Action Figure Playsets!- ApotheosisAZ

*"1-800-kassie" - http://one.revver.com/watch/125566 - Voyboy

*"Re: My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!" aka "I Love Bees I" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhdhKY9_ywU

*"Re: Boy Problems..." aka "I Love Bees II" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKvG2bYT2hE

*"Cassie Calls Loveline - Latest Voicemail!" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebSDRspz968 - pcxl-

*"Youtube Auteur" by Terryfic (Aug 7, 2006) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDxxuHkUMRI

*"Introducing Paul and Andrea" by PaulMark18 (Sept. 16, 2006) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vt9zgQES-E

*"Lady Problems" by ScorchedHotTub (July 18, 2006) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orJeGH3QJRo

'''SUMMARY (so far):'''
*Total nominations: 20
*Total votes: 31 (NOTE: Nominations only are counted as votes!)

== Best Moments on the FORUM==

(Please add these as you like!)

* Bukanator founds the [[Phorum]] (July 16, 2006)

* Lonelygirl15.com is found to have been registered on May 12, 2006, long before Bree's 1st video. Bukanator, a supposed 37-year old divorced programmer of Russian descent, hatches a lame cover story on youtube and in the forum about how he bought the domain name from Daniel. People don't buy it (July 18-22, 2006),X

* HyeMew starts up real activity at the forum with his earnest posts, starting the day after Aleister Crowley was revealed. (Aug. 7, 2006)

* First forum flamewar erupts between [[BigManOnCampus333]] and [[Jessica]]. (late August 2006)

* Via close analysis of cassieiswatching and lg15, it is determined that P.Diddy is behind the whole lg15 phenomenon (late Aug. 2006)

* The forum discovers that lonelygirl15 has been trademarked by [[Kenneth Goodfried]]. Everything about him and his family except maybe his dental records is uncovered online. Mesh and Miles quietly chuckle as they enjoy their last few days of privacy. (Aug 28, 2006)

* A posted called "t" starts pranking the forum with supposed hints about Bree's identity. HyeMew exposes t as a fraud.(Aug 31-Sept 7, 2006)

* The old forum is overwhelmed with members and posts, with no moderation, causing the founding of [[Children of Anchor Cove]] and birth of a better-run official forum in response. The 1st initial registration emails from the new lonelygirl15.com forum come from some dude called "[[Miles Beckett]]" (Sept 4, 2006)

* The forum goes down with the first post from "[[The Creators]]", the authenticity of which is highly doubted. (Sept. 7, 2006)

* The forum goes down again with the outing of Jessica Rose as Bree (Sept. 12, 2006)

* Cassieiswatching goes into Second Life, and soon after, people in the forum are riding cows and stuff (Oct. 2006)

* Yousef is sort of not fired (Nov. 2006)

* Spaciegirl leaves the forum (Nov 2006?)

* Bree comes to chat at lonelygirl15.com and the site almost crashes (Nov. 28, 2006)

* Spaciegirl returns to the forum (Dec 2006)

* GoodGollyIsHolly is rewarded with spokesperson status (Dec. 2006)

* Slainte violently explodes in the forum at the utter idiocy of the content (or lack thereof) in the posts (late Dec. 2006)

* The next post after Slainte left was "FIIIRRSSSTT!!"

* Canon Day - OpAphid is outed as 'the real deal,' the forum freaks, OpHeads rejoice (and then freak shortly thereafter) (November 24)

Nominations: 18

Forum vote

2007-01-02T22:43:18Z

HyeMew: /* Best Moments */

[[Image:Breed.JPG|thumbnail|TOP!!]]

= The Best LG-15 Moments of 2006-Continued Voting =

In true LG15 style, '''Top 15''' lists for 2006 shall be created, as voted by fans.

The main video message board contributors have already voted. We are now opening up voting to forum members and others who have not voted yet.

'''The new deadline for voting is Midnight, EST on 01/16/06!'''

Please leave an X, followed by a comma to indicate your vote in each category!!

Also, ADD any videos or moments you feel should be on this list!!

'''DISCLAIMER:''' The voting(so far) was created after bored lonelycracks on the comment board on New Year's eve had the idea. It was created by regulars from the comment boards. Forums and ARG might be underrepresented. Please feel free to add new categories to change this! Also, please note that there is no statistical significance concerning the whole of LG15 users to the voting.

== Best Video ==

*Christmas Surprise

*Daniel Returns and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)

*Fleeing the Watchers

*Grillz X

*My Difficult Decision

*On the Run

*P*Monkey Boogies X,

*Poor Pluto

*Proving Longitude Wrong

*Swimming

*The Unthinkable Happened X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,X,

*What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?

* My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!) X

'''Summary (so far):
*Total nominations: 13
*Total Votes: 64

== Best Moments ==

*Bree: "Shh... cavemen didn’t have the tool of language!” (Daniel the Neanderthal)

*Bree: “Now I’m gonna demonstrate a common but deadly tactic known as the yawn technique. Let’s pretend for the moment that Thor here is a poor unsuspecting girl bear and I’m a not so poor and not so unsuspecting boy bear with questionable motives.” (My First Kiss)X,X,X,X,

*Daniel: "L'care x, X, X,X
http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=L%27care

*Daniel: “Today we’re going to learn about the Cornwallis Effect. Isn’t that cool?” (nods while Bree’s face falls into the magazine, probably out of frustration and disbelief) (Proving Science Wrong… with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15)

*The "shot"(?) heard round the Breeniverse (The Unthinkable Happened) X, X

*Daniel: Is that on? Bree: (Looks around, nervous.) No. (The Danielbeast)

*Daniel: "Oranges, ah, here we go. She loves oranges, so let's-- " (Breakfast In Bed)

*Gemma calling P. Monkey a "wanker". (Don't trust the authorities)

*Bree: “P. Monkey and Owen have even offered to room together, so you’ll have your own room. That’s pretty generous.” (Bree Phone Home).

*Bree: “Shower cap? (Bree turns Owen towards the camera, and shakes him, making his head nod.) Check.” (Exploring the Motel)

*”My name is Bree. I’m 16. Um, I don’t really wanna tell you where I live…’cause, you could stalk me.” {image freezes, ‘Psycho’ music plays, and girl screams} (First Blog/Dorkiness Prevails).

*Bree: "Whatever happened to that girl Cassie?" (Swimming) x

'''SUMMARY: (so far):'''
*Total nominations: 11
*Total votes: 38

== Best Fan Videos (Video Comment) ==

*"P. Monkey In Charge" - http://one.revver.com/watch/106858 - T.W. Janiak

*"It'sKassie-Scary Dreams"- http://one.revver.com/watch/120633- voyboy

*"Wanker?!?" - http://one.revver.com/watch/98782 -LonesomeOct

*"The Cult's Using Orange!!" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1HBX-f_TrI - dnegroni - HoorayItsMeImMakingOut! (mimo)

*"Dr. Marbella-Removing "Bugs" from Stuffed Friends - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY53_bExubI - Marbella

*"This Is My Story Now" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IcYUifgEfw - cassieiswatching X,X,X

*"LonelyCrack - Heads Anonymous" - nobby1985

*"Foiling The Black Lodge" - http://one.revver.com/watch/90996 -LordGreystoke

*"Lonelygirl15 Cthulhu Interview" - http://one.revver.com/watch/70358 -LoneseomeOct

*"To LG-15 Bree from Marbella" - http://one.revver.com/watch/110662 -Marbella

*"It's On, Gemma!" - http://one.revver.com/find/title/It's%20On%2C%20Gemma! -LonesomeOct, X,X,

*"Now Hiring" - http://one.revver.com/watch/105636 - ApotheosisAZX

*"In Stores Now" - http://one.revver.com/watch/128953 - (G Version)-Fan Video Action Figure Playsets!- ApotheosisAZ

*"1-800-kassie" - http://one.revver.com/watch/125566 - Voyboy

*"Re: My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!" aka "I Love Bees I" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhdhKY9_ywU

*"Re: Boy Problems..." aka "I Love Bees II" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKvG2bYT2hE

*"Cassie Calls Loveline - Latest Voicemail!" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebSDRspz968 - pcxl-

*"Youtube Auteur" by Terryfic (Aug 7, 2006) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDxxuHkUMRI

*"Introducing Paul and Andrea" by PaulMark18 (Sept. 16, 2006) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vt9zgQES-E

*"Lady Problems" by ScorchedHotTub (July 18, 2006) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orJeGH3QJRo

'''SUMMARY (so far):'''
*Total nominations: 20
*Total votes: 31 (NOTE: Nominations only are counted as votes!)

== Best Moments on the FORUM==

(Please add these as you like!)

* Bukanator founds the [[Phorum]] (July 16, 2006)

* Lonelygirl15.com is found to have been registered on May 12, 2006, long before Bree's 1st video. Bukanator, a supposed 37-year old divorced programmer of Russian descent, hatches a lame cover story on youtube and in the forum about how he bought the domain name from Daniel. People don't buy it (July 18-22, 2006),X

* HyeMew starts up real activity at the forum with his earnest posts, starting the day after Aleister Crowley was revealed. (Aug. 7, 2006)

* First forum flamewar erupts between [[BigManOnCampus333]] and [[Jessica]]. (late August 2006)

* Via close analysis of cassieiswatching and lg15, it is determined that P.Diddy is behind the whole lg15 phenomenon (late Aug. 2006)

* The forum discovers that lonelygirl15 has been trademarked by [[Kenneth Goodfried]]. Everything about him and his family except maybe his dental records is uncovered online. Mesh and Miles quietly chuckle as they enjoy their last few days of privacy. (Aug 28, 2006)

* A posted called "t" starts pranking the forum with supposed hints about Bree's identity. HyeMew exposes t as a fraud.(Aug 31-Sept 7, 2006)

* The old forum is overwhelmed with members and posts, with no moderation, causing the founding of [[Children of Anchor Cove]] and birth of a better-run official forum in response. The 1st initial registration emails from the new lonelygirl15.com forum come from some dude called "[[Miles Beckett]]" (Sept 4, 2006)

* The forum goes down with the first post from "[[The Creators]]", the authenticity of which is highly doubted. (Sept. 7, 2006)

* The forum goes down again with the outing of Jessica Rose as Bree (Sept. 12, 2006)

* Cassieiswatching goes into Second Life, and soon after, people in the forum are riding cows and stuff (Oct. 2006)

* Yousef is sort of not fired (Nov. 2006)

* Spaciegirl leaves the forum (Nov 2006?)

* Bree comes to chat at lonelygirl15.com and the site almost crashes (Nov. 28, 2006)

* Spaciegirl returns to the forum (Dec 2006)

* GoodGollyIsHolly is rewarded with spokesperson status (Dec. 2006)

* Slainte violently explodes in the forum at the utter idiocy of the content (or lack thereof) in the posts (late Dec. 2006)

* The next post after Slainte left was "FIIIRRSSSTT!!"

* Canon Day - OpAphid is outed as 'the real deal,' the forum freaks, OpHeads rejoice (and then freak shortly thereafter) (November 24)

Nominations: 18

Best moments of 2006

2007-01-02T07:25:47Z

HyeMew: /* Best Moments */ Had to add the best quote ever, sadly never got mentioned

[[Image:Breed.JPG|thumbnail|TOP!!]]

= The Best LG-15 Moments of 2006 =

In true LG15 style, '''Top 15''' lists for 2006 shall be created, as voted by fans.

'''12:07 EST--The polls are now CLOSED!!'''

Please leave an X, followed by a comma to indicate your vote in each category!!

Also, ADD any videos or moments you feel should be on this list!!

'''DISCLAIMER:''' This page was created after bored lonelycracks on the comment board on New Year's eve had the idea. It was created by regulars from the comment boards. Forums and ARG might be underrepresented. Please feel free to add new categories to change this! Also, please note that there is no statistical significance
concerning the whole of LG15 users to the voting.

== Best Video ==

'''1.''' The Unthinkable Happened

'''2.''' Swimming

'''Tie for 3:'''
*Christmas Surprise
*Grillz
*Poor Pluto

'''4.''' Fleeing the Watchers

'''Tie for 5:'''
*P*Monkey Boogies
*Proving Longitude Wrong
*My Difficult Decision

'''Tie for 6:'''
*On the Run
*Daniel Returns and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)
*What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?

'''Summary:'''
*Total nominations: 12
*Total Votes: 64

== Best Moments ==

'''0.''' Bree: "Cavemen didn’t have the tool of language!” (Daniel the Neanderthal)

'''1.''' Bree: “Now I’m gonna demonstrate a common but deadly tactic known as the yawn technique. Let’s pretend for the moment that Thor here is a poor unsuspecting girl bear and I’m a not so poor and not so unsuspecting boy bear with questionable motives.” (My First Kiss)

'''2.''' Daniel: "L'care

'''3.''' Daniel: “Today we’re going to learn about the Cornwallis Effect. Isn’t that cool?” (nods while Bree’s face falls into the magazine, probably out of frustration and disbelief) (Proving Science Wrong… with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15)

'''4.''' The "shot"(?) heard round the Breeniverse (The Unthinkable Happened)

'''5.''' Daniel: Is that on? Bree: (Looks around, nervous.) No. (The Danielbeast)

'''Tie for 6'''
*Daniel: "Oranges, ah, here we go. She loves oranges, so let's-- " (Breakfast In Bed)
*Gemma calling P. Monkey a "wanker". (Don't trust the authorities)
*Bree: “P. Monkey and Owen have even offered to room together, so you’ll have your own room. That’s pretty generous.” (Bree Phone Home).

'''Tie for 7''' (Nominated, no votes)
*Bree: “Shower cap? (Bree turns Owen towards the camera, and shakes him, making his head nod.) Check.” (Exploring the Motel)
*”My name is Bree. I’m 16. Um, I don’t really wanna tell you where I live…’cause, you could stalk me.” {image freezes, ‘Psycho’ music plays, and girl screams} (First Blog/Dorkiness Prevails).
*Bree: "Whatever happened to that girl Cassie?" (Swimming)

'''SUMMARY:'''
*Total nominations: 11
*Total votes: 38

== Best Fan Videos (Video Comment) ==

'''TOP THREE FAN VIDEOS!!!'''

'''1.''' "P. Monkey In Charge" - http://one.revver.com/watch/106858 - T.W. Janiak

'''2.''' "It'sKassie-Scary Dreams"- http://one.revver.com/watch/120633- voyboy

'''3.''' "Wanker?!?" - http://one.revver.com/watch/98782 -LonesomeOct

'''Tie for 4'''

*"The Cult's Using Orange!!" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1HBX-f_TrI - dnegroni - HoorayItsMeImMakingOut! (mimo)
*"Dr. Marbella-Removing "Bugs" from Stuffed Friends - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY53_bExubI - Marbella
*"This Is My Story Now" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IcYUifgEfw - cassieiswatching

'''Tie for 5'''

*"LonelyCrack - Heads Anonymous" - nobby1985
*"Foiling The Black Lodge" - http://one.revver.com/watch/90996 -LordGreystoke
*"Lonelygirl15 Cthulhu Interview" - http://one.revver.com/watch/70358 -LoneseomeOct
*"To LG-15 Bree from Marbella" - http://one.revver.com/watch/110662 -Marbella
*"It's On, Gemma!" - http://one.revver.com/find/title/It's%20On%2C%20Gemma! -LonesomeOct
*"Now Hiring" - http://one.revver.com/watch/105636 - ApotheosisAZX
*"In Stores Now" - http://one.revver.com/watch/128953 - (G Version)-Fan Video Action Figure Playsets!- ApotheosisAZ
*"1-800-kassie" - http://one.revver.com/watch/125566 - Voyboy
*"Re: My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!" aka "I Love Bees I" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhdhKY9_ywU
*"Re: Boy Problems..." aka "I Love Bees II" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKvG2bYT2hE
*"Cassie Calls Loveline - Latest Voicemail!" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebSDRspz968 - pcxl-

'''SUMMARY:'''
*Total nominations: 17
*Total votes: 31 (NOTE: Nominations only are counted as votes!)

== Best Moments on the LG-15 Comment Board ==

'''1.''' Sydney's Explanation of Bree's absence in "Bree's Gone" (edited)- (7 votes)
<pre>sydney (send note) Says:
December 26th, 2006 at 8:26 pm
i can see it now

*bree walks through door*
daniel: OMG BREE…WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN!!
bree: what? i just had to go get some stuff…at 7-11
daniel: OKAY #1 WHY DIDNT YOU TELL US??? #2 YOU CANT DRIVE #3 WHY THE HELL
WOULD YOU GO TO 7-11
bree: i just had to get some stuff
*jonas runs in*
jonas: wtf gimme my money you lieing, backstabbing, bi*ch!
bree: what the f**k did i do?
jonas: you robbed me!
bree: omg i just went to seven - eleven
jonas and daniel: for a whole day with tons of money???
bree: O MY F**KING GOD IM PMSING YOU JACKASSES AND I RAN OUT OF EFFING
TAMPONS! I DIDNT WANNA TELL U CAUSE ITS KINDA PERSONAL AND I WAS
GONE SO LONG CUZ JONAS LIVES IN THE F**KING BOONDOCKS!
jonas and daniel:…o…
*awkward silence*
jonas: so whyd u take so much money?
bree: i like the good stuff

scene

Joe (send note) Says:
December 26th, 2006 at 8:39 pm
Sydney,

That would also make a good product placement.

Tampax:
When you are on the run from an evil cult that’s been injecting you with
drug to increase your blood flow. Don’t trust any other brand. </pre>

'''2.''' Gemmas flatmate's [[LonelyCrack]]-play: (5 votes)
<pre>How my boyfriends movie would look if he made it for YOUTUBE:

Scene 1: Gemmas flatmate and boyfriend and two kids are
sitting in Pizza Hut waiting to be served.
GF is scowering the menu.

Boyf: Er.. what are you doing?
GF: I’m seeing if they have any oranges in the ingredients..
Boyf: Oranges..ON PIZZA??
GF: You cant be too careful!
(Man at next table talking to waitress)
Man: And I’ll have a large Orange Juice…
GF: (standing up and pointing) WATCHER!!!!

Scene 2. Boyf arrives home from work to find kids cramming
over tons of paper at desk

Boyf: Hi kids. Lots of homework again?
Kid 1: Nope
Boyf: well whats all this then? (picks up reams of paper)
Kid 2: Mummy got another anagram …
apparantly theres a ghost in Kansas and...
Boyf: GF!!!!!!!!

Scene 3. Boyfs boss and wife have come over for Xmas drinks.
They stand round the tree, drinks in hand when from acroos the room
they hear a shout.

GF: CHARGE!!!!!!!!!

GF runs through the room dressed in home made armour
(a colindar for a helmet, cheese grater for shield, ladel for sword)
she exits through opposite door.

Boyf: ahem… er it appears General Firstsayer has had another call to arms… </pre>

'''Tie for 3'''

*FIRST shout of General FIRSTsayer on the FIRST (ok, fourth) post: "I listened to Daniel" board (4 votes)

<pre>General Firstsayer Says:
October 24th, 2006 at 7:15 pm
First!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111
</pre>

* Sydney discovers the link between LonelyGirl15 and 7-Eleven. Which starts a phenomenon almost as big as LonelyGirl15 itself: http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=91&play=1#comment-9112 (4 votes)

<pre> Ive figured it out!!!!
whats the average between 7:10 and 7:12
7:11!!!
OBVIOUSLY they want us to go to 7-11 and try the new wild cherry fanta slurpee
:-D
i think ill go get one…and grab a lotto ticket while im there (if i win a
million for the numbers 7-10-7-12-9-06 i will be forever grateful creators!) </pre>

* Joe's story of what happened to the 14 LonelyGirls before Jessica Rose: http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=118&play=1#comment-18556 (4 votes)

<pre>The reason why it’s LG15 is because the creators actually had 14
girls before Jessica. Here’s what happened to the first 14.

LonelyGirl: Was drinking an Orange Slurpee before filming the first scene.
Some of the Slurpee spilled on the floor. In the middle of filming she
slips on the Slurpee and breaks her neck.

LonelyGirl2: The creators get into an argument about whether it should be
LG1 or LG2. Miles thinks it should be LG2, because it’s the second one.
Mesh thinks it should be LG1 because this is the first one with a number,
and 1 comes before 2. Greg thinks they should use LG101206. There is a lot
of shouting and screaming, and then the pushing starts. The camera gets
knocked on the ground and we only see the current LG fall and break her
neck. No one knows who pushed her.

LonelyGirl3: After settling their argument about how to number LonelyGirl,
Miles wins in a three-way competition of squirrels, nut, man. The current
girl leaves because she doesn’t want to work for a bunch of guys who make
decisions based on squirrels, nut, man.

LonelyGirl4: Dies when the boom mic falls on her head and breaks her neck.

LonelyGirl5: Leaves in the middle of filming when she gets a call from her
agent about an audition for a movie starring opposite Brad Pitt.

LonelyGirl6: Dies when she spills an Orange Slurpee on the keyboard and
electrocutes herself. The Creators no longer allow Orange Slurpees on the
set.

LonelyGirl7: The creators decide to film outside. This was a mistake; LG7
gets hit by a car, the driver was drinking. He was drinking an Orange
Slurpee.

LonelyGirl8: They still try to film outside. They film a scene on a
mountain trail. LG8 is not too bright and could not concentrate on keeping
eye contact with the camera and watching where she is going. She walks off
the trail, falls down a cliff and breaks her neck.

LonelyGirl9: They go back indoors. LG9 dies when she lights the candles
next to Aleister Crowley, knocks over one of the candle, starts a fire and
gets killed when Mile, Mesh, and Greg run out of the room and close and
lock the door behind them. They explain to the fire department that they
closed the door to keep the fire from spreading and forgot about the girl
inside. They had no explanation for locking the door.

LonelyGirl10: They go back to filming outside while the room is being
repainted. LG10 gets struck by lightning during filming. The creators stop
filming until the room is repainted.

LonelyGirl11: The creators discover that LG11 used to do porn. They don’t
want to associate this with porn so they fire her. Miles was against this
but conceded since he won the argument over the numbering.

LonelyGirl12: This incident is still under litigation and all partied have
been put under a gag order by the presiding judge.

LonelyGirl13: Skipped this number. The Creators are superstitious.

LonelyGirl14: Let’s just say someone made the mistake of bringing an
Orange Slurpee to the set. </pre>

* Creation of the LG15 Defence Force (1 vote)

http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=139&play=1#comment-32369
<pre>britneynaked - dont ever return or you will face the lg15 defence force!!!!!
*raises battle axe*
but if you do i will be waiting!!! </pre>

'''SUMMARY:'''
*Total nominations: 5
*Total votes: 18

'''THANKS ALL!!'''

<pre>
45 TOTAL NOMINATIONS BY FANS

SITE DESIGNER WOULD LIKE TO BE ANONYMOUS, BUT SHE WAS GREAT!!

ORIGINAL IDEA BY CLOUD_AX

ORIGINAL DATA COLLECTION BY JOE

TABULATION BY MARBELLA*

*Please visit me at http://www.laurapaxton.com and

http://www.myspace.com/whitetigerdream </pre>

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#[[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]]
#[[Purple Monkey (video)|Purple Monkey]]
#[[School Work in Summer... BLECHH!!!]]
#[[The Danielbeast]]
#[[Grillz feat. Danielbeast, LG15, P. Monkey, and O'n.]]
#[[My Parents Suck...]]
#[[Daniel Responds]]
#[[Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)]]
#[[Proving Science Wrong!]]
#[[My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!]]
#[[Boy Problems...]]
#[[Girl Problems...]]
#[[He Said, She Said]]
#[[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]]
#[[Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15]]
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#[[Daniel The Neanderthal]]
#[[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]]
#[[What Bree's Dad Said...]]
#[[Me, Religion, and Daniel :(]]
#[[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]]
#[[Mysteries of My Past... REVEALED!]]
#[[A Peace Offering (and P. Monkey Boogies)]]
#[[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)]]
#[[I'm Really, Really, Really Excited!]]
#[[Swimming!]]
#[[Bree The Cookie Monster]]
#[[A Change In My Life]]
#[[Poor Pluto]]
#[[I Want to Take Bree to a Party!]]
#[[Should I Or Shouldn't I?]]
#[[I'm Going to the Party!]]
#[[House Arrest]]
#[[In The Park]]
#[[What's A Date?]]
#[[My First Kiss]]
#[[Learning To Drive]]
#[[The Equinox]]
#[[How Could You?]]
#[[My Difficult Decision]]
#[[Who Is This?]]
#[[My Helper]]
#[[How My Parents Met]]
#[[Where Are They Going?]]
#[[Daniel Crossed The Line]]
#[[Order of Denderah]]
#[[Zodiac of Denderah]]
#[[Aleister Crowley (Video)|Aleister Crowley]]
#[[The Ceremony Is Tomorrow :)]]
#[[The Ceremony]]
#[[I Completed The Ceremony]]
#[[Following The Helper]]
#[[Daniel, Be Careful...]]
#[[Where's Daniel?]]<br>[[Nut Kills Man]] (Gemma)
#[[I'm Hiding Out]]
#[[I Lied To Daniel]]<br>[[Living In London]] (Gemma)
#[[I Listened To Daniel]]
#[[Hi Gemma!]]
#[[It's Not Your Decision]]
#[[I Talked To My Parents]]
#[[Proving Longitude Wrong]]
#[[Thanks Gemma...]]
#[[They Disappeared...]]
#[[What Makes Us Sad?]]
#[[Life's Not Fair]]
#[[Still At Daniel's]]
#[[Where Are My Parents?]]
#[[Horrid Flatmates]]
#[[On The Run]]
#[[Learning Egyptian]]
#[[Motel Pool]]
#[[Don't Trust The Authorities]]
#[[Exploring The Motel]]
#[[Someone's Following You]]
#[[Man In The Suit]]
#[[Breakfast In Bed]]<br>[[My Name Is Jonas]] (Jonas)
#[[A Watcher]]
#[[Fleeing The Watcher]]
#[[Survival Skills]]
#[[Silent Treatment]]<br>[[Bored At Home]] (Jonas)
#[[An Awkward Silence]]
#[[Date With P. Monkey]]<br>[[Happy Thanksgiving]] (Jonas)
#[[Thanksgiving]]
#[[Ransacked!]]
#[[Scared To Go Home]]
#[[Trust Issues]]
#[[Jonas?]]
#[[Daniel Is Right]]
#[[Homeless]]
#[[Warwalking]]
#[[The Anti-Cribs]]
#[[Bad Decisions]]
#[[The Test]]
#[[Your Decision]]
#[[Back Home]]
#[[Tough Cookie]]
#[[Gemma, Who Are You?]]
#[[Cheer Me Up]]
#[[Back At Bree's]]
#[[Bree Phone Home]]
#[[Undisclosed Location]]
#[[Skateboarding]]
#[[Breaking And Entering]]
#[[Mystery Movies]]
#[[Christmas Surprise]]
#[[Bree's Gone]]
#[[Roadtrip]]
#[[The Unthinkable Happened]]

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*[[Stand Up Lonelygirl15]]

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Roadtrip

2006-12-31T23:49:55Z

HyeMew: Added Unthinkable as the next episode in the series

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|caption = Jonas and Daniel hit the open road. (And [[cap]] fever returns!)
|blogger = Daniel
|date = December 28th, 2006
|url = [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=143 lonelygirl15.com]
|description = We figured out the clues hidden in Bree's videos and hit the road to meet her and... her dad?!?!
|tags = [[LG15]] [[lonelygirl15]] [[daniel]] [[danielbeast]] [[bree]] [[dad]] [[phone]] [[message]] [[powell]] [[dry]] [[cleaner]] [[road]] [[trip]] [[car]]


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| Previous = Bree's Gone
| Next = The Unthinkable Happened
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'''Roadtrip''' is the one hundred seventh video in the Lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].

==Transcript==
(''Jonas is filming himself pack his suitcase as he talks. Occasionally he shows Daniel asleep on the bed. "Sonny" by the Napoleon Blown Aparts plays in the background.'')

'''Jonas:''' (''voiceover'') Okay, so here's what's going on. Daniel conked out. He stayed up all night trying to figure out Bree's code. I tried to stay up with him and help him but, you know, man, that is some complicated stuff Bree and her old man came up with. Anyway, my flux capacitor ran out of uranium at about four and I-I passed out. But the Beast, he cracked it. He woke me up at six and told me we had to get on the road ''stat'' so I packed and he fell asleep. I'll just have him explain it when he wakes up.

(''Jonas taps Daniel in the face to wake him. Daniel looks around bleary-eyed and tired. Cut to Daniel and Jonas loading bags into an SUV. Cut to Daniel talking from the passenger of the seat.)

'''Daniel:''' (''to Jonas'') Sorry I passed out last night, man. Thanks for packing, though.

'''Jonas:''' Hey, no problemo.

'''Daniel:''' (''to camera'') Anyway, last night I was up watching Bree's video. I was putting all these numbers together in my head, trying to make sense of it. I decided to call the number in Bree's video.

(''The screen cuts to edited footage of Bree's video [[Bree Phone Home]]. Daniel continues to explain the [[Bree Phone Home puzzle]] as this footage rolls in voiceover.'')

'''Daniel:''' You know, the uh, dry cleaner's -- Powell. I mean, everything she talked about (''cut back to Daniel'') seemed to hinge around that. Obviously they weren't open, but when I listened to the (''cut back to Bree footage'') message there were all these numbers: the... (''cut back to Daniel'') price for dry cleaning, the store hours, I lined all those numbers up and there was 10 digits. So I dialed those digits. Found a message on a voice mail. It was Bree's dad. I guess she found a way to...to meet her dad. I think what's amazing about this whole thing is that the two of them came up with this elaborate code, without even being able to speak to each other. Anyways, he told her where to meet him. It's, uh, it's kind of in code, but I knew what he meant. (''Music starts to play again.'') So it's a bit of a trip--

'''Jonas:''' Road trip!

(''Daniel grins in response. He turns the camera to Jonas who is wearing a cap.'')

'''Jonas:''' The lure of the open road calls and the blacktop beckons. That's right. (''Jonas sniffles'') The blacktop it beckons, and we cannot resist. Can we? (''teasing'') Can we Beast?

(''Daniel chuckles'')

'''Jonas:''' I'm sorry. I won't do that again.

'''Daniel:''' Let's do it.

==Notes==
* In the video, Daniel says he figured out the '''[[Bree Phone Home puzzle]]''' from Bree's December 18th video with the same title.
* The "flux capacitor" that Jonas mentions is from the movie Back to the Future. The flux capacitor, powered with plutonium, allowed the main characters in the film to travel through time. Although Jonas says his flux capacitor is out of uranium, in fact plutonium can be produced from uranium.
* Daniel's ability to stay awake for at least 14 hours straight while solving puzzles and doing research was previously established in his video [[Aleister Crowley (Video)|Aleister Crowley]].
*Some fans were initially confused as to how Jonas could be driving after Bree stole his car. However, the summary of [[Bree's Gone]] mentions "one of my cars," implying Jonas has more than one car.

The Unthinkable Happened

2006-12-31T23:48:58Z

HyeMew:

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|date = December 31th, 2006
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| Previous = Roadtrip
| Next =
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'''The Unthinkable Happened''' is the 108 video in the Lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].

==Partial Transcript==
*bang bang*

==Notes==
This is regarded as the first episode in which Bree and/or her father get shot.

Iris2009

2006-12-30T21:07:20Z

HyeMew: Removed yet another claim that many fans speculate he is a canon character

{{Item-stub}}

'''Iris2009''' is a [[Revver]] user who has produced video replies in response to blogs posted on lonelygirl15.com by [[Bree]].

= Introduction=
''Iris2009 has given warnings to [[Bree]] in the past couple of weeks telling her to go to [[Jonas]], saying that [[Gemma]] cannot be trusted, and that the [[Watcher|Watchers]] are still on their trail.''

''He made a video talking about how time is running out for [[Bree]]. It shows a ticking clock that mysteriously skips the 11:00 mark.''

''Two weeks later Iris2009 made another video that was titled Who watchs the [[Watcher|Watchers]] when the [[Watcher|Watchers]] are watching.''

''Dec 5 2006 Iris2009 Made a video in person stating not to trust [[Gemma]] that she was up to something.''

''Dec 10 2006 Iris2009 tells [[Daniel]] to go back to [[Bree]] this would be the 2nd video of him in person.''
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'''Iris2009''' is a [[Revver]] user who has produced video replies in response to blogs posted on lonelygirl15.com by [[Bree]].

His videos lack the repeated cuts found in other canon videos, he also is a bit shaky with the Camera.

In comments after '''Iris2009''' 3rd video in person "I wanna Tell you something Bree..." a Revver user Stated that he was too Weird to be offical!

The most significant clue which may point to him being an official character is found in his video Daniel, Good Job.. In this video,'''Iris2009''' Shows a a glismpse of a buliding that may have something to do where Daniel broke in at in the video of [[Breaking And Entering]]

In most of his videos, '''Iris2009''' is walking around and the camera is held by him.

== Video Links ==

[http://one.revver.com/watch/130137 Merry belated Christmas!]

[http://one.revver.com/watch/126534 Daniel, Good Job.]

[http://one.revver.com/watch/123780 What i told Allan]

[http://one.revver.com/watch/120718 Shout Outs!!!]

[http://one.revver.com/watch/120414 So I was Caught.... ]

[http://one.revver.com/watch/120383 I Need to sleep ]

[http://one.revver.com/watch/119871 So I ditched my Car... ]

[http://one.revver.com/watch/117707 I go shopping... ]

[http://one.revver.com/watch/112707/flv/affiliate/23941 I wanna Tell you something Bree... ]

[http://one.revver.com/find/video/iris2009#_show_video_109398 Who Watches The Watchers? ]

[http://one.revver.com/find/user/iris2009#_show_video_108785 Time is Ticking for Bree Video.]

[[Category: Fan Fiction]]

Iris2009

2006-12-30T21:05:52Z

HyeMew: Removed line about speculation

{{Item-stub}}

'''Iris2009''' is a [[Revver]] user who has produced video replies in response to blogs posted on lonelygirl15.com by [[Bree]].

= Introduction=
''Iris2009 has given warnings to [[Bree]] in the past couple of weeks telling her to go to [[Jonas]], saying that [[Gemma]] cannot be trusted, and that the [[Watcher|Watchers]] are still on their trail.''

''He made a video talking about how time is running out for [[Bree]]. It shows a ticking clock that mysteriously skips the 11:00 mark.''

''Two weeks later Iris2009 made another video that was titled Who watchs the [[Watcher|Watchers]] when the [[Watcher|Watchers]] are watching.''

''Dec 5 2006 Iris2009 Made a video in person stating not to trust [[Gemma]] that she was up to something.''

''Dec 10 2006 Iris2009 tells [[Daniel]] to go back to [[Bree]] this would be the 2nd video of him in person.''
------------------------------------------------------------

'''Iris2009''' is a [[Revver]] user who has produced video replies in response to blogs posted on lonelygirl15.com by [[Bree]].

Many fans speculate That he may be Offical. The production value of his videos suggest he may be an official character, however his videos lack the repeated cuts found in other canon videos, he also is a bit shaky with the Camera.

In comments after '''Iris2009''' 3rd video in person "I wanna Tell you something Bree..." a Revver user Stated that he was too Weird to be offical!

The most significant clue which may point to him being an official character is found in his video Daniel, Good Job.. In this video,'''Iris2009''' Shows a a glismpse of a buliding that may have something to do where Daniel broke in at in the video of [[Breaking And Entering]]

In most of his videos, '''Iris2009''' is walking around and the camera is held by him.

== Video Links ==

[http://one.revver.com/watch/130137 Merry belated Christmas!]

[http://one.revver.com/watch/126534 Daniel, Good Job.]

[http://one.revver.com/watch/123780 What i told Allan]

[http://one.revver.com/watch/120718 Shout Outs!!!]

[http://one.revver.com/watch/120414 So I was Caught.... ]

[http://one.revver.com/watch/120383 I Need to sleep ]

[http://one.revver.com/watch/119871 So I ditched my Car... ]

[http://one.revver.com/watch/117707 I go shopping... ]

[http://one.revver.com/watch/112707/flv/affiliate/23941 I wanna Tell you something Bree... ]

[http://one.revver.com/find/video/iris2009#_show_video_109398 Who Watches The Watchers? ]

[http://one.revver.com/find/user/iris2009#_show_video_108785 Time is Ticking for Bree Video.]

[[Category: Fan Fiction]]

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2006-12-29T00:56:35Z

HyeMew: Added episode 107.

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* [[LonesomeOctober]]
* [[Paulmark18|Paul and Andrea]]
* [[The Homeschoolers Aggregate]]
* [[Nikki Bower]]
* [[Other fanfic]]

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#[[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]]
#[[Purple Monkey (video)|Purple Monkey]]
#[[School Work in Summer... BLECHH!!!]]
#[[The Danielbeast]]
#[[Grillz feat. Danielbeast, LG15, P. Monkey, and O'n.]]
#[[My Parents Suck...]]
#[[Daniel Responds]]
#[[Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)]]
#[[Proving Science Wrong!]]
#[[My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!]]
#[[Boy Problems...]]
#[[Girl Problems...]]
#[[He Said, She Said]]
#[[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]]
#[[Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15]]
#[[The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad "talks" to Daniel)]]
#[[Daniel The Neanderthal]]
#[[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]]
#[[What Bree's Dad Said...]]
#[[Me, Religion, and Daniel :(]]
#[[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]]
#[[Mysteries of My Past... REVEALED!]]
#[[A Peace Offering (and P. Monkey Boogies)]]
#[[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)]]
#[[I'm Really, Really, Really Excited!]]
#[[Swimming!]]
#[[Bree The Cookie Monster]]
#[[A Change In My Life]]
#[[Poor Pluto]]
#[[I Want to Take Bree to a Party!]]
#[[Should I Or Shouldn't I?]]
#[[I'm Going to the Party!]]
#[[House Arrest]]
#[[In The Park]]
#[[What's A Date?]]
#[[My First Kiss]]
#[[Learning To Drive]]
#[[The Equinox]]
#[[How Could You?]]
#[[My Difficult Decision]]
#[[Who Is This?]]
#[[My Helper]]
#[[How My Parents Met]]
#[[Where Are They Going?]]
#[[Daniel Crossed The Line]]
#[[Order of Denderah]]
#[[Zodiac of Denderah]]
#[[Aleister Crowley (Video)|Aleister Crowley]]
#[[The Ceremony Is Tomorrow :)]]
#[[The Ceremony]]
#[[I Completed The Ceremony]]
#[[Following The Helper]]
#[[Daniel, Be Careful...]]
#[[Where's Daniel?]]<br>[[Nut Kills Man]] (Gemma)
#[[I'm Hiding Out]]
#[[I Lied To Daniel]]<br>[[Living In London]] (Gemma)
#[[I Listened To Daniel]]
#[[Hi Gemma!]]
#[[It's Not Your Decision]]
#[[I Talked To My Parents]]
#[[Proving Longitude Wrong]]
#[[Thanks Gemma...]]
#[[They Disappeared...]]
#[[What Makes Us Sad?]]
#[[Life's Not Fair]]
#[[Still At Daniel's]]
#[[Where Are My Parents?]]
#[[Horrid Flatmates]]
#[[On The Run]]
#[[Learning Egyptian]]
#[[Motel Pool]]
#[[Don't Trust The Authorities]]
#[[Exploring The Motel]]
#[[Someone's Following You]]
#[[Man In The Suit]]
#[[Breakfast In Bed]]<br>[[My Name Is Jonas]] (Jonas)
#[[A Watcher]]
#[[Fleeing The Watcher]]
#[[Survival Skills]]
#[[Silent Treatment]]<br>[[Bored At Home]] (Jonas)
#[[An Awkward Silence]]
#[[Date With P. Monkey]]<br>[[Happy Thanksgiving]] (Jonas)
#[[Thanksgiving]]
#[[Ransacked!]]
#[[Scared To Go Home]]
#[[Trust Issues]]
#[[Jonas?]]
#[[Daniel Is Right]]
#[[Homeless]]
#[[Warwalking]]
#[[The Anti-Cribs]]
#[[Bad Decisions]]
#[[The Test]]
#[[Your Decision]]
#[[Back Home]]
#[[Tough Cookie]]
#[[Gemma, Who Are You?]]
#[[Cheer Me Up]]
#[[Back At Bree's]]
#[[Bree Phone Home]]
#[[Undisclosed Location]]
#[[Skateboarding]]
#[[Breaking And Entering]]
#[[Mystery Movies]]
#[[Christmas Surprise]]
#[[Bree's Gone]]
#[[Roadtrip]]

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*[[Stand Up Lonelygirl15]]

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Talk:Main Page/redesign

2006-12-22T18:18:09Z

HyeMew: /* New page is looking good */

We could probably use a more efficient front page. While the page works well as an index for those of us who are familiar with the wiki, it's not as welcoming as it could be for new users. In addition, it'd be nice to have a wiki front page that looked more like lonelygirl15 and less like Wikipedia. So jump in -- share ideas about content/features/style, etc. you'd like to see on the LGPedia front page.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:55, 11 December 2006 (CST)

:Awesome use of the seldom used sub-page feature of MediaWiki. I am very eager to see what ideas editors can come up with for a new main page layout -- [[User:Twjaniak|Twjaniak]] 22:41, 11 December 2006 (CST)

Sorry I was gone so much lately, I've got three jobs, two kids and Christmas shopping to take care of, so I hope you'll understand if I'm not always here. (One of my coworkers asked me, "When do you sleep?!" I replied, "Um...never?") Anyway, this is a great idea for a page, and I'll leave some feedback on this stuff, which is looking pretty good.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:46, 12 December 2006 (CST)

== The video column ==

My basic idea for a video column is to put the newest video at the top. That way you see the newest information first, keeps the page more dynamic. And also, to incorporate small pictures from videos (to make the front page more visual) and to include non-video, but still important events, on this list. What do people think of the basic idea?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:13, 11 December 2006 (CST)

:I do like it! Do you think it's going to be a lot more work to update it now though? It looks kind of advanced... [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:53, 11 December 2006 (CST)

::I think we can build some basic templates to make all the formatting automatic. If we do that, it should be pretty easy. If we're using a template, we can even add a quick note to explain how to add the newest video. But we'll see, if it ends up being too complicated, we can always stick with the current list.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:04, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:great, i was coming here to suggest that myself!--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 22:09, 13 December 2006 (CST)

Perhaps the video column should be called '''Latest News''' or something to that effect, since any new video would be news in the LG15 world. Labeling the column like this would allow us to put things there that go beyond just video, such as blurbs regarding GoodGollyItsHolly's decision. -- [[User:Twjaniak|Twjaniak]] 10:10, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:Yeah, good idea. I changed it and like it. I also think we should try to make the style sets look more like lonelygirl15.com, (blues and grays), and less like wikipedia, (greenish).--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:17, 12 December 2006 (CST)

::I like the idea of having a column that has the "latest news" rather than videos. Now that the list is getting very long, I think it might be good to move it off the page. In general, I like the idea of changing things to be less text and more visuals, in general making the page a bit shorter. Keep only the latest videos and main topics on the front page, and move lesser items to index pages. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:46, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:::Personally, I think you should keep "videos" and "news" in different columns. It just adds to the confusion, and I agree with Brucker that the page should be, if not as short as possible, significantly shorter than the current main page. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 18:07, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::::By news we only mean -- news related to the lonelygirl15 story. Bree chat, for example, is the perfect example. Since the lonelygirl15 story is not told exclusively through videos, it's important that an event like Bree chat goes into the chronology on the Main Page. Something like a story ''about'' the lonelygirl15 production in Wired Magazine would not go on the list. That's not what we mean by news.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 20:50, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::::: Things become much clearer now... Thanks Jay, or Henry, or whatever...--[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 01:18, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== Characters column ==

To echo your feel of the video column, how about heading the characters column with something like this. Anyone like? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:54, 11 December 2006 (CST)
{| align=left style="width:300px" border=2
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|colspan=42 align=center style="background:#99CCFF; color:black"|'''''Main characters'''''
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| style="background:white"|[[Image:Vid22.jpg|150px]]
| style=background:white|[[Image:Daniel.jpg|150px]]
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|align=center style="background:white"| '''[[Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Daniel]]'''
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|style="background:white|[[Image:Gemma_background.jpg|150px]]
|style="background:white|[[Image:MNIJonas.gif|150px]]
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|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Gemma]]'''
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Jonas]]'''
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:See, now this is a very nice idea, but perhaps just a bit smaller. As I said before about major info staying on tha main page and more minor info going elsewhere, I think showing a small picture of every main character (bloggers only) with a link below to "supporting cast" or "other official characters" would be nice. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:46, 12 December 2006 (CST)

::I tried adding in a modified version of the characters box. It doesn't look right at all for now, but it's an idea of what it might look like. If we don't use the box on the main page, it'd definitely be a nice touch for a characters page.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:21, 13 December 2006 (CST)

:::That was a good try. I like it better than the current main page and better than what I made. Yeah, it might need some work (like it should be centered, prob)... but I like the direction that we're headed in, both for this col and for the videos. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:38, 13 December 2006 (CST)

Ok, so I've given more thought to the characters column (with everything that falls below it) and what should be changed going forward. Here's a little list I came up with... sorry it's so long and doesn't illustrate anything. I think we have huge potential to save valuable space if we just implement a few of these changes.
*Have a nice little table with the pics of the bloggers and links to their pages
*Other characters
**Mention Lucy, Bree's mom and dad, P. Monkey, Owen, Thor with links to their pages.
**Leave out Deacon (individual), Watcher, The Other Monkey, Cassie, Paul, Andrea, The Deacons (so redundant, but it's there), Gemma's flatmate. While these people certainly exist, there's too little to be said about them to really merit mention on the main page. Maybe we need a character's page with another nice looking set-up in which we can include everyone... and we can link to that. That way we can include everyone.
*Leave out Ambiguous Mystery People heading and Bukanator... it was current a long time ago, but not so relevant anymore, I don't think
*Link to article [[The Creators]], but not to each individual profile (make sure there are links to all of them in the article)
*Production Team - also link to article and not all the individual people (we can write one if we don't have a suitable one yet)
*Link to [[Bree's religion]], but ''not'' to individual articles for [[Aleister Crowley|Crowley]], [[Thelema]], [[Denderah]], [[The Order]], the [[Watcher]], and [[Bree's religion - more speculation]]. Again, we can make sure that the Bree's religion article is comprehensive enough and has all these links in it.
*I'm not sure what to do with the locations pages... I don't think they are too valuable to newcomers, but perhaps we can link to a central Locations page that lists all these pages so ppl can explore if they want.
*lonelygirl.com site features - very important. I would display the forums, chat room, and LGpedia links more prominently.
*Official ARG should link to just AphidPedia, no need for separate OpAphid and Tachyon links now.
*Unofficial spin-offs - link to some page that lists all the significant ones, but not list them individually... and leave cassieiswatching out altogether maybe?
*Leave related sites links to Children of Anchor Cove, YouTube and Revver
*Alternate reality games - just leave link to ARG tools?
*Music - link to ccMixter, new music page and to the (soon to be) soundtrack!
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 01:47, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== New vid feature ==

Okay, so again, just an idea. Since [[User_Talk:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] expressed some concern that a new template might be confusing... At the bottom of the page, I added a link that says "add new video." If you click on the link, it takes you directly to the video column, and even provides instructions on how to add the text. It's just a rough example of how it could work, but using templates I think we could make it pretty easy for any registered user to quickly add the newest video.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:47, 12 December 2006 (CST)

I'm going to make a lot of repetitive edits to the page to add a notation system to make it easier to edit in the future. So that my edits don't interfere with the [[Special:recentchanges]] page, I'm going to make my edits as a bot. If you want to see the changes I'm making, you can always check the history of this page, or you can click on the "show bots" tab in the recent changes.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:12, 13 December 2006 (CST)

== Just In General ==

I was wondering if it is actually necessary to include ALL the information on the front page. It might be enough to link to certain catagories. Sure, listing the main characters (Bree, Gemma, Daniel, Jonas) is okay, but what about characters with very little airtime (Lucy, or the Deacon/Deacons) not to mention the space that all this stuff takes up. If you could just link to a characters portal page (or whatever it's called, my tech terms as you might be able to tell are limited) and from there jump to more specific catagories or direct characters, it would save space, and it would make the whole thing less confusing. Also the video column, to me at least, seems like a good idea, but what if you listed, with that little jpg preview (i like that) the name of the most recent video and then the description and the "author"/character. and then maybe, using only titles (like the current main page) listed the last three? there are about a million ways to do all this, but this was just my input. Of course I can't really edit things so these are all suggestions. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 21:41, 13 December 2006 (CST)

:Yeah, I agree with almost every idea Demosthenes says. There's really no need to include something like [[Deacons (commenters)]] so prominently. If we could eventually pare down the page, so that very little scrolling is required to get to the bottom of it I think that'd be ideal. Of course, it will take some work to get the various portal pages up, but I think it's a good general idea for the direction we want to take this.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:53, 13 December 2006 (CST)

::As I said above, I think the main page should be considerably smaller. As was discussed elsewhere, I the HRWiki is an excellent example in the way they do so much. Look at their [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page main page], and see how compact it is. I see no reason why our main page couldn't have a similar compactness. Rather than tossing up a link to every piece of information, there could be links to pages with lists of other links. We can have that little picture thing, followed by a single link to "Official Characters", a single link to "Locations", a single link to "spin-offs" or whatever. I think the main page should about one-third the size it currently is, if not more like one-quarter. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 19:09, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::: Yeah, single links to pages that are more specific, and not everything just dashed together on one page. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 01:20, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== Featured Article ==

What do people think of having a featured article of the week on the main page? It's common on a lot of wikis. I personally like the idea, because it could circulate interesting pages that otherwise people might not find. What do others think?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:00, 14 December 2006 (CST)

:I like that a lot! I think a week is a good time period. It's a great idea and we should figure out what sort of minimum quality standards an article must meet, and who gets to decide each week. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:04, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::I like it too, but as you said what are the criteria? Who decides? Theres a lot to do in order to have this idea work, certain pages would need to be cleaned up, others might need to be trimmed down. It would be a lot of work, but I think it's a cool idea, good enough to merit the work. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 01:24, 15 December 2006 (CST)

:::I've seen a few other wikis that do it. Basically they just discuss and vote. We could do it at the [[LGPedia:Community Portal|Community Portal]]. I think once a week is a schedule we'd be able to keep up with. We could do it batting order style. We could have the featured article on the main page. Then we have an article on deck for next week -- that everybody chips in to make really good. Then we could have a couple articles that we're considering for two weeks out.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 02:22, 15 December 2006 (CST)

::::I think its a good idea to have that pipe-line like idea. It means that you can have all the work focused on just one or two articles. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 09:05, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== ACTION! ==

Let's put some of this into use! I'm going to start with the Characters info.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:46, 20 December 2006 (CST)

== Color scheme ==

Since one of the goals of the redesign project was to make the main page look less like Wikipedia and more like Lonelygirl15, I thought maybe we should give some thought to our color scheme. Right now the main page uses pastels reminiscent of Wikipedia. When we redesign it, we should try to use colors that mimic the LG15 website (much like we've used templates to mimic user's YouTube profiles. I put together a table of html colors that to me look like the ones on LG15. Feel free to add better colors as seen fit! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 12:27, 20 December 2006 (CST)
(I removed my table since Brucker's had the official colors used on LG15 website)

Here's the actual color palette of the top of the main page:

{| align=left style="width:300px" border=2
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|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''''Color scheme'''''
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| style="background:white"|'''Sample'''
| style="background:white"|'''HTML Color name'''
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| style="background:#1E5DAA"|
| style="background:white"|background (1E5DAA)
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| style="background:#77C8E5"|
| style="background:white"|"A tribute to" (77C8E5)
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| style="background:#6FC6E3"|
| style="background:white"|"15" (6FC6E3)
|-
| style="background:#204C9F"|
| style="background:white"|Circles of dots (204C9F)
|-
| style="background:#2574C4"|
| style="background:white"|Light blue details (2574C4)
|-
| style="background:#1B5FB7"|
| style="background:white"|Faint dark blue flowers and circles (1B5FB7)
|-
| style="background:#2450AE"|
| style="background:white"|Bright blue unicursal hex (2450AE)
|-
| style="background:#1E6BBF"|
| style="background:white"|Center circle of flower (1E6BBF)
|-
| style="background:#535353"|
| style="background:white"|Navigation bar (535353)
|-
| style="background:#909090"|
| style="background:white"|Stars on the bar (909090)
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|}
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These are eight different shades of blue and two greys, and there are no "standard" colors in there. Can anyone fix the formatting of these boxes? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:08, 20 December 2006 (CST)

I tried to fix it. Maybe there's a better way to do it but for now I guess this will do. I also took down my table since it takes up space and yours has the real colors anyway. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:30, 20 December 2006 (CST)

I added the hex triplets for ease of reference.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 14:08, 21 December 2006 (CST)

I love this new color scheme around the characters box!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:20, 21 December 2006 (CST)

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== Pictures/Staff ==

I think we need to find new pictures of Gemma and Jonas. For whatever reason, both of them have shorter vertical distances which makes them look slightly akward compared to Bree and Daniel. If we can't find them images that match the other two, then we need to crop the Bree and Daniel pictures so they're all the same size.

Another thing: I think we should group the Creators and Production Staff (and possibly even [[Bukanator]])) together in one group. This would save the space it takes to divide them all into seperate catagories. Plus, there's really no need to make the distinction on the main page, is there? We can call the new catagory "LG15 Staff" or "Creators & Production Staff" - whatever works. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 13:36, 20 December 2006 (CST)

:Okay, I got the sizes all the same. Does anyone think that the Jonas picture still looks odd, though?--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:25, 20 December 2006 (CST)

::Thanks, looks great! It seems like the Jonas video is just a low-quality picture. Most of the pictures have been like that, though, recently. At least in my opinion. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 15:52, 20 December 2006 (CST)

Okay, while I agree that the new Gemma picture is a better picture of her, the cropping is very bad. We really need consitency here. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:36, 21 December 2006 (CST)

:Agree with Brucker, especially on the front page. We need somebody to get 4 good screenshots of Jonas, Gemma, Daniel and Bree -- crop them to the exact same size and dimensions and put them on the main page. I would do it, but I don't have the adequate software on the computer I'm at this week.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:13, 21 December 2006 (CST)
::I'm working on the screenshots.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 16:17, 21 December 2006 (CST)

::::::Can you try getting a better Daniel one as well? I must admit he looks a little bit dopey the way this screenshot came out and also it cuts off the top of his head which makes it worse. [[User:71.224.243.78|71.224.243.78]] 21:49, 21 December 2006 (CST)

== New page is looking good ==

First, I love the new character box with their pictures. I would like to see that expanded to include the Creators (if they want) and I've made one for unofficial spin-offs as well. In my opinion, the Featured Articles section should be moved to the bottom.
Perhaps a special "the story so far" section could get its own prominent place on the main page, while the November 28 chat hardly deserves a place on the main page. There are only the same couple of sections in there, a whole transcript will never be compied as promised. There is very little of the actual chat in there almost a month on, and I think at this point it is hardly relevant anyway. What happened happened, and I don't think it needs a main page placement. We need to think of a way to compress the main page, if we keep adding each video like this, along with the numerous sections that are on there now, it'll end up going on forever. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 15:28, 21 December 2006 (CST)

:I don't want to sound rude, but I don't like the idea about the image box for the unofficial spinoffs. I just don't think that those spin-offs are important enough to take up such a big part of the main page. Technically, the unofficial spinoffs don't relate to the Breeinverse, so why should they take up a prominant part on the main page? If we include pictures for the unofficial spinoffs, we should also probably include pictures for Bree's parents, Lucy, the Watcher, Deacon, and maybe even Bree's stuffed animals. Understand what I'm saying? The unofficial spinoffs just don't seem important enough to have their pictures included on the main page. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:48, 21 December 2006 (CST)

::I see what you're saying, though one must admit cassieiswatching and NikkiB at least have both had a much bigger impact on the Breeniverse (you used the term incorrectly, the Breeniverse includes all things including unofficial) when it comes to fan talk, reaction, involvement, etc. than Lucy, Bree's Parents, or any Deacon ever did. While those three are official canon characters, if one speaks impact-wise, than some of the unofficial (though maybe secretly official?) spin-offs are far more important. (Also, if you are still going to list important spin-offs on the main page in the new one, as the format has so far suggested, why NOT use an image box as well? I think it looks spiffier and don't see why such a thing can't be installed for all applicatable categories). [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 21:52, 21 December 2006 (CST)

:::I think that having a box for anything besides the four main characters (and maybe at some point videos and news) is unesasary and just makes the main page more cluttered. I don't know, just my humble opinion--[[User:76.170.25.68|76.170.25.68]] 11:08, 22 December 2006 (CST)

::::The box just takes up more space. The whole point of the page, now that I've seen the box, is not to have a mile long scroll just to get to the bottom. It's got to look neat and concise, so boxes, though they take out some clutter of multiple links, just take up more space than one link. For example: just have a link called spin-offs as opposed to a whole box devoted to them. Just say OpAphid, instead of listing both OpAphid and Tachyon. It might take time to get up portals for all those things, or whatever there called (my tech talk is really not fluent,) but I think in the end it would be worth it. Do away with unnecessary links!--[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 11:15, 22 December 2006 (CST)

:::::In my opinion, a box listed horizontally, rather than verticle listings of "Bree's room, Daniel's room, Gemma's flat, Jonas's house, Bree's religion, Thelema, Dendera, blahblah" ends up taking up less room than the more room you contend it does. But also I expect the new front page to be rid of that inane list of things related to Bree's religion. How about a horizontal box with components of Bree's life, one box is religion and links to a page listing all those various related-to-religion things, another box is locations and goes to a page listing the locations and their links, and so on. I don't see how horizontal boxes take up more room than veritcle lists of sometimes 5-8 terms. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 12:18, 22 December 2006 (CST)

:::Does it matter what's had an impact and what hasn't? Although the LG15 community went nuts over things like cassieiswatching and Nikki Bower, they haven't affected the actual story yet. To me, making the spin-offs so prominant is basically getting off-topic. As for me using Breeniverse wrong, sorry... I'm not down with all the hip, new LG15 lingo... but according to the [[Breeniverse]] LGpedia page, it defines everything ''within'' the project and anything else that can be considered "real" in Bree's world - and in Bree's world, cassieiswatching is not real... and that's how I used the term.--[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 11:31, 22 December 2006 (CST)

== Box at top? ==

Trying out some different ideas for the box at the top. I can't get the colors to match, but I think it's because I'm using MS Paint instead of photoshop. I think if we add the images Leftcorner.JPG and Rightcorner.JPG after editing them in photoshop we can get the colors to mesh seemlessly.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:55, 22 December 2006 (CST)

:Okay, I'm done playing with this box for the evening. I moved it directly above the main boxes. I was thinking that maybe we could do without the introductory text on the main page, and just have the page start with this box. I think that would be about the biggest step we could take to shortening the page. We could also add something in that intro box like -- "if you're new to wikis, click here" and it would take you to a new [[LGPedia:Welcome]] page. What does everybody think of the general idea?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 01:12, 22 December 2006 (CST)

::I concur, the box, not the text. *applause* --[[User:76.170.25.68|76.170.25.68]] 11:09, 22 December 2006 (CST)

==Subheadings==

I'm refering to the currently light-blue boxes that say things like "Official ARG" or "The Creators" etc. You know what I'm talking about? Okay, well - I think we need to get rid of them. I think that we need to create pages similar to the [[Characters]] page for every area, and then that column needs to contain only those links. The reason is that I think the main page needs to be more like a portal or table of contents rather than lists to specific articles. For instance, if underneath the bloggers box, you had links to "LG15 Staff," "Bree's Religion," "Locations," "Unofficial Spin-offs," etc. the page would be much more condensed and easier to navigate. If nobody objects, I'd like to create these pages and link to them on the redesign page sometime soon. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 11:55, 22 December 2006 (CST)

Talk:Main Page/redesign

2006-12-22T07:38:25Z

HyeMew: /* New page is looking good */

We could probably use a more efficient front page. While the page works well as an index for those of us who are familiar with the wiki, it's not as welcoming as it could be for new users. In addition, it'd be nice to have a wiki front page that looked more like lonelygirl15 and less like Wikipedia. So jump in -- share ideas about content/features/style, etc. you'd like to see on the LGPedia front page.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:55, 11 December 2006 (CST)

:Awesome use of the seldom used sub-page feature of MediaWiki. I am very eager to see what ideas editors can come up with for a new main page layout -- [[User:Twjaniak|Twjaniak]] 22:41, 11 December 2006 (CST)

Sorry I was gone so much lately, I've got three jobs, two kids and Christmas shopping to take care of, so I hope you'll understand if I'm not always here. (One of my coworkers asked me, "When do you sleep?!" I replied, "Um...never?") Anyway, this is a great idea for a page, and I'll leave some feedback on this stuff, which is looking pretty good.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:46, 12 December 2006 (CST)

== The video column ==

My basic idea for a video column is to put the newest video at the top. That way you see the newest information first, keeps the page more dynamic. And also, to incorporate small pictures from videos (to make the front page more visual) and to include non-video, but still important events, on this list. What do people think of the basic idea?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:13, 11 December 2006 (CST)

:I do like it! Do you think it's going to be a lot more work to update it now though? It looks kind of advanced... [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:53, 11 December 2006 (CST)

::I think we can build some basic templates to make all the formatting automatic. If we do that, it should be pretty easy. If we're using a template, we can even add a quick note to explain how to add the newest video. But we'll see, if it ends up being too complicated, we can always stick with the current list.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:04, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:great, i was coming here to suggest that myself!--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 22:09, 13 December 2006 (CST)

Perhaps the video column should be called '''Latest News''' or something to that effect, since any new video would be news in the LG15 world. Labeling the column like this would allow us to put things there that go beyond just video, such as blurbs regarding GoodGollyItsHolly's decision. -- [[User:Twjaniak|Twjaniak]] 10:10, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:Yeah, good idea. I changed it and like it. I also think we should try to make the style sets look more like lonelygirl15.com, (blues and grays), and less like wikipedia, (greenish).--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:17, 12 December 2006 (CST)

::I like the idea of having a column that has the "latest news" rather than videos. Now that the list is getting very long, I think it might be good to move it off the page. In general, I like the idea of changing things to be less text and more visuals, in general making the page a bit shorter. Keep only the latest videos and main topics on the front page, and move lesser items to index pages. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:46, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:::Personally, I think you should keep "videos" and "news" in different columns. It just adds to the confusion, and I agree with Brucker that the page should be, if not as short as possible, significantly shorter than the current main page. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 18:07, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::::By news we only mean -- news related to the lonelygirl15 story. Bree chat, for example, is the perfect example. Since the lonelygirl15 story is not told exclusively through videos, it's important that an event like Bree chat goes into the chronology on the Main Page. Something like a story ''about'' the lonelygirl15 production in Wired Magazine would not go on the list. That's not what we mean by news.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 20:50, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::::: Things become much clearer now... Thanks Jay, or Henry, or whatever...--[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 01:18, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== Characters column ==

To echo your feel of the video column, how about heading the characters column with something like this. Anyone like? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:54, 11 December 2006 (CST)
{| align=left style="width:300px" border=2
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:#99CCFF; color:black"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Vid22.jpg|150px]]
| style=background:white|[[Image:Daniel.jpg|150px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:white"| '''[[Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Daniel]]'''
|-
|style="background:white|[[Image:Gemma_background.jpg|150px]]
|style="background:white|[[Image:MNIJonas.gif|150px]]
|-
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Gemma]]'''
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Jonas]]'''
|-
|}
<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
:See, now this is a very nice idea, but perhaps just a bit smaller. As I said before about major info staying on tha main page and more minor info going elsewhere, I think showing a small picture of every main character (bloggers only) with a link below to "supporting cast" or "other official characters" would be nice. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:46, 12 December 2006 (CST)

::I tried adding in a modified version of the characters box. It doesn't look right at all for now, but it's an idea of what it might look like. If we don't use the box on the main page, it'd definitely be a nice touch for a characters page.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:21, 13 December 2006 (CST)

:::That was a good try. I like it better than the current main page and better than what I made. Yeah, it might need some work (like it should be centered, prob)... but I like the direction that we're headed in, both for this col and for the videos. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:38, 13 December 2006 (CST)

Ok, so I've given more thought to the characters column (with everything that falls below it) and what should be changed going forward. Here's a little list I came up with... sorry it's so long and doesn't illustrate anything. I think we have huge potential to save valuable space if we just implement a few of these changes.
*Have a nice little table with the pics of the bloggers and links to their pages
*Other characters
**Mention Lucy, Bree's mom and dad, P. Monkey, Owen, Thor with links to their pages.
**Leave out Deacon (individual), Watcher, The Other Monkey, Cassie, Paul, Andrea, The Deacons (so redundant, but it's there), Gemma's flatmate. While these people certainly exist, there's too little to be said about them to really merit mention on the main page. Maybe we need a character's page with another nice looking set-up in which we can include everyone... and we can link to that. That way we can include everyone.
*Leave out Ambiguous Mystery People heading and Bukanator... it was current a long time ago, but not so relevant anymore, I don't think
*Link to article [[The Creators]], but not to each individual profile (make sure there are links to all of them in the article)
*Production Team - also link to article and not all the individual people (we can write one if we don't have a suitable one yet)
*Link to [[Bree's religion]], but ''not'' to individual articles for [[Aleister Crowley|Crowley]], [[Thelema]], [[Denderah]], [[The Order]], the [[Watcher]], and [[Bree's religion - more speculation]]. Again, we can make sure that the Bree's religion article is comprehensive enough and has all these links in it.
*I'm not sure what to do with the locations pages... I don't think they are too valuable to newcomers, but perhaps we can link to a central Locations page that lists all these pages so ppl can explore if they want.
*lonelygirl.com site features - very important. I would display the forums, chat room, and LGpedia links more prominently.
*Official ARG should link to just AphidPedia, no need for separate OpAphid and Tachyon links now.
*Unofficial spin-offs - link to some page that lists all the significant ones, but not list them individually... and leave cassieiswatching out altogether maybe?
*Leave related sites links to Children of Anchor Cove, YouTube and Revver
*Alternate reality games - just leave link to ARG tools?
*Music - link to ccMixter, new music page and to the (soon to be) soundtrack!
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 01:47, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== New vid feature ==

Okay, so again, just an idea. Since [[User_Talk:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] expressed some concern that a new template might be confusing... At the bottom of the page, I added a link that says "add new video." If you click on the link, it takes you directly to the video column, and even provides instructions on how to add the text. It's just a rough example of how it could work, but using templates I think we could make it pretty easy for any registered user to quickly add the newest video.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:47, 12 December 2006 (CST)

I'm going to make a lot of repetitive edits to the page to add a notation system to make it easier to edit in the future. So that my edits don't interfere with the [[Special:recentchanges]] page, I'm going to make my edits as a bot. If you want to see the changes I'm making, you can always check the history of this page, or you can click on the "show bots" tab in the recent changes.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:12, 13 December 2006 (CST)

== Just In General ==

I was wondering if it is actually necessary to include ALL the information on the front page. It might be enough to link to certain catagories. Sure, listing the main characters (Bree, Gemma, Daniel, Jonas) is okay, but what about characters with very little airtime (Lucy, or the Deacon/Deacons) not to mention the space that all this stuff takes up. If you could just link to a characters portal page (or whatever it's called, my tech terms as you might be able to tell are limited) and from there jump to more specific catagories or direct characters, it would save space, and it would make the whole thing less confusing. Also the video column, to me at least, seems like a good idea, but what if you listed, with that little jpg preview (i like that) the name of the most recent video and then the description and the "author"/character. and then maybe, using only titles (like the current main page) listed the last three? there are about a million ways to do all this, but this was just my input. Of course I can't really edit things so these are all suggestions. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 21:41, 13 December 2006 (CST)

:Yeah, I agree with almost every idea Demosthenes says. There's really no need to include something like [[Deacons (commenters)]] so prominently. If we could eventually pare down the page, so that very little scrolling is required to get to the bottom of it I think that'd be ideal. Of course, it will take some work to get the various portal pages up, but I think it's a good general idea for the direction we want to take this.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:53, 13 December 2006 (CST)

::As I said above, I think the main page should be considerably smaller. As was discussed elsewhere, I the HRWiki is an excellent example in the way they do so much. Look at their [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page main page], and see how compact it is. I see no reason why our main page couldn't have a similar compactness. Rather than tossing up a link to every piece of information, there could be links to pages with lists of other links. We can have that little picture thing, followed by a single link to "Official Characters", a single link to "Locations", a single link to "spin-offs" or whatever. I think the main page should about one-third the size it currently is, if not more like one-quarter. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 19:09, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::: Yeah, single links to pages that are more specific, and not everything just dashed together on one page. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 01:20, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== Featured Article ==

What do people think of having a featured article of the week on the main page? It's common on a lot of wikis. I personally like the idea, because it could circulate interesting pages that otherwise people might not find. What do others think?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:00, 14 December 2006 (CST)

:I like that a lot! I think a week is a good time period. It's a great idea and we should figure out what sort of minimum quality standards an article must meet, and who gets to decide each week. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:04, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::I like it too, but as you said what are the criteria? Who decides? Theres a lot to do in order to have this idea work, certain pages would need to be cleaned up, others might need to be trimmed down. It would be a lot of work, but I think it's a cool idea, good enough to merit the work. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 01:24, 15 December 2006 (CST)

:::I've seen a few other wikis that do it. Basically they just discuss and vote. We could do it at the [[LGPedia:Community Portal|Community Portal]]. I think once a week is a schedule we'd be able to keep up with. We could do it batting order style. We could have the featured article on the main page. Then we have an article on deck for next week -- that everybody chips in to make really good. Then we could have a couple articles that we're considering for two weeks out.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 02:22, 15 December 2006 (CST)

::::I think its a good idea to have that pipe-line like idea. It means that you can have all the work focused on just one or two articles. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 09:05, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== ACTION! ==

Let's put some of this into use! I'm going to start with the Characters info.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:46, 20 December 2006 (CST)

== Color scheme ==

Since one of the goals of the redesign project was to make the main page look less like Wikipedia and more like Lonelygirl15, I thought maybe we should give some thought to our color scheme. Right now the main page uses pastels reminiscent of Wikipedia. When we redesign it, we should try to use colors that mimic the LG15 website (much like we've used templates to mimic user's YouTube profiles. I put together a table of html colors that to me look like the ones on LG15. Feel free to add better colors as seen fit! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 12:27, 20 December 2006 (CST)
(I removed my table since Brucker's had the official colors used on LG15 website)

Here's the actual color palette of the top of the main page:

{| align=left style="width:300px" border=2
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''''Color scheme'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|'''Sample'''
| style="background:white"|'''HTML Color name'''
|-
| style="background:#1E5DAA"|
| style="background:white"|background (1E5DAA)
|-
| style="background:#77C8E5"|
| style="background:white"|"A tribute to" (77C8E5)
|-
| style="background:#6FC6E3"|
| style="background:white"|"15" (6FC6E3)
|-
| style="background:#204C9F"|
| style="background:white"|Circles of dots (204C9F)
|-
| style="background:#2574C4"|
| style="background:white"|Light blue details (2574C4)
|-
| style="background:#1B5FB7"|
| style="background:white"|Faint dark blue flowers and circles (1B5FB7)
|-
| style="background:#2450AE"|
| style="background:white"|Bright blue unicursal hex (2450AE)
|-
| style="background:#1E6BBF"|
| style="background:white"|Center circle of flower (1E6BBF)
|-
| style="background:#535353"|
| style="background:white"|Navigation bar (535353)
|-
| style="background:#909090"|
| style="background:white"|Stars on the bar (909090)
|-
|}
<br><br><br><br><br>
These are eight different shades of blue and two greys, and there are no "standard" colors in there. Can anyone fix the formatting of these boxes? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:08, 20 December 2006 (CST)

I tried to fix it. Maybe there's a better way to do it but for now I guess this will do. I also took down my table since it takes up space and yours has the real colors anyway. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:30, 20 December 2006 (CST)

I added the hex triplets for ease of reference.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 14:08, 21 December 2006 (CST)

I love this new color scheme around the characters box!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:20, 21 December 2006 (CST)

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== Pictures/Staff ==

I think we need to find new pictures of Gemma and Jonas. For whatever reason, both of them have shorter vertical distances which makes them look slightly akward compared to Bree and Daniel. If we can't find them images that match the other two, then we need to crop the Bree and Daniel pictures so they're all the same size.

Another thing: I think we should group the Creators and Production Staff (and possibly even [[Bukanator]])) together in one group. This would save the space it takes to divide them all into seperate catagories. Plus, there's really no need to make the distinction on the main page, is there? We can call the new catagory "LG15 Staff" or "Creators & Production Staff" - whatever works. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 13:36, 20 December 2006 (CST)

:Okay, I got the sizes all the same. Does anyone think that the Jonas picture still looks odd, though?--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:25, 20 December 2006 (CST)

::Thanks, looks great! It seems like the Jonas video is just a low-quality picture. Most of the pictures have been like that, though, recently. At least in my opinion. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 15:52, 20 December 2006 (CST)

Okay, while I agree that the new Gemma picture is a better picture of her, the cropping is very bad. We really need consitency here. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:36, 21 December 2006 (CST)

:Agree with Brucker, especially on the front page. We need somebody to get 4 good screenshots of Jonas, Gemma, Daniel and Bree -- crop them to the exact same size and dimensions and put them on the main page. I would do it, but I don't have the adequate software on the computer I'm at this week.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:13, 21 December 2006 (CST)
::I'm working on the screenshots.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 16:17, 21 December 2006 (CST)

::::::Can you try getting a better Daniel one as well? I must admit he looks a little bit dopey the way this screenshot came out and also it cuts off the top of his head which makes it worse. [[User:71.224.243.78|71.224.243.78]] 21:49, 21 December 2006 (CST)

== New page is looking good ==

First, I love the new character box with their pictures. I would like to see that expanded to include the Creators (if they want) and I've made one for unofficial spin-offs as well. In my opinion, the Featured Articles section should be moved to the bottom.
Perhaps a special "the story so far" section could get its own prominent place on the main page, while the November 28 chat hardly deserves a place on the main page. There are only the same couple of sections in there, a whole transcript will never be compied as promised. There is very little of the actual chat in there almost a month on, and I think at this point it is hardly relevant anyway. What happened happened, and I don't think it needs a main page placement. We need to think of a way to compress the main page, if we keep adding each video like this, along with the numerous sections that are on there now, it'll end up going on forever. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 15:28, 21 December 2006 (CST)

:I don't want to sound rude, but I don't like the idea about the image box for the unofficial spinoffs. I just don't think that those spin-offs are important enough to take up such a big part of the main page. Technically, the unofficial spinoffs don't relate to the Breeinverse, so why should they take up a prominant part on the main page? If we include pictures for the unofficial spinoffs, we should also probably include pictures for Bree's parents, Lucy, the Watcher, Deacon, and maybe even Bree's stuffed animals. Understand what I'm saying? The unofficial spinoffs just don't seem important enough to have their pictures included on the main page. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:48, 21 December 2006 (CST)

::I see what you're saying, though one must admit cassieiswatching and NikkiB at least have both had a much bigger impact on the Breeniverse (you used the term incorrectly, the Breeniverse includes all things including unofficial) when it comes to fan talk, reaction, involvement, etc. than Lucy, Bree's Parents, or any Deacon ever did. While those three are official canon characters, if one speaks impact-wise, than some of the unofficial (though maybe secretly official?) spin-offs are far more important. (Also, if you are still going to list important spin-offs on the main page in the new one, as the format has so far suggested, why NOT use an image box as well? I think it looks spiffier and don't see why such a thing can't be installed for all applicatable categories). [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 21:52, 21 December 2006 (CST)

== Box at top? ==

Trying out some different ideas for the box at the top. I can't get the colors to match, but I think it's because I'm using MS Paint instead of photoshop. I think if we add the images Leftcorner.JPG and Rightcorner.JPG after editing them in photoshop we can get the colors to mesh seemlessly.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:55, 22 December 2006 (CST)

:Okay, I'm done playing with this box for the evening. I moved it directly above the main boxes. I was thinking that maybe we could do without the introductory text on the main page, and just have the page start with this box. I think that would be about the biggest step we could take to shortening the page. We could also add something in that intro box like -- "if you're new to wikis, click here" and it would take you to a new [[LGPedia:Welcome]] page. What does everybody think of the general idea?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 01:12, 22 December 2006 (CST)

Investigating Gemma - NBR 7

2006-12-22T04:01:10Z

HyeMew:

{{NBR
| name = Investigating Gemma - NBR 7
| number = NBR7
| image = NBR7.gif
| caption = Let's see... Gemma ''Chen''? Gemma ''Sanchez''? Those are British names, right?
| date = December 18th, 2006
| url = [http://one.revver.com/watch/123989 revver.com]
| description = I got an anonymous tip that led me to Gemma's house.
| tags = [[nikkibowerreport]] [[gemmers19]] [[lonelygirl15]] [[tachyon]] [[stakeout]]
| Previous = Where Is Jonas? - NBR 6
| Next =
}}
'''Investigating Gemma - NBR 7''' is the seventh video in the NIkki Bower Report series. It was posted in response to [[Gemma? (Part III)|Gemma? [Part III]]].

==Transcript==
''(Nikki is standing by a tree, wearing sunglasses. She takes them off.)''

'''Nikki:''' It's me! Nikki B.! I'm sleuthing! ''(Puts sunglasses back on.)'' I'm being undercover because there is a lot to investigate this week. The forum is bustling... lots going on... particularly about [[Gemma]]. Who is this Gemma person? Apparently, now she's working for the order. Megawoman and Inigo have called upon ''(points at herself)'' yours truly to find out where Gemma resides. ''(Sunglasses back on.)'' But LA is a huge place. How does one go about finding one person in a sea of millions? I was lucky enough to get an anonymous message that gave me the ZIP Code of where Gemma is residing. I don't know if it was from [[Tachyon]] herself or one of her cohorts, but it did tell me a ZIP Code, and I'm gonna take that piece of information and ''(makes running motion with hands)'' run wild with it. Our friend Nancy Drew tells us: ''(reads from book)'' "When you want to know if and where a location exists in a state, simply call the state capital. Yeah! That's what I did. I picked up the phone, I dialled Sacramento and, bada-bing-bada-boom, here I am. ''(Gestures theatrically while cameara pans up to show a building.)''

''(Nikki is standing in front of the stairs leading up to the building entrance.)''

'''Nikki:''' Here we are at Gemma's building, thanks to my local Congressman. Now this is the place where we saw Gemma with [[Lucy]]. I'm gonna go up there and see if we can find Gemma herself. Come on! ''(Gestures to camera.)''

[TRANSCRIPT INCOMPLETE]

==Notes==
*Though Nikki stated she discovered the location of Gemma's zipcode by calling her her local Congressman in Sacramento. Congressmen are federal officials however, and so operate out of the nation's capitol rather than the state capital. She would have been calling her state representative, if anyone, if she did indeed call Sacramento (though a mapquest search for the zipcode would have turned up the location much easier!)

Investigating Gemma - NBR 7

2006-12-22T04:00:08Z

HyeMew: /* Notes */

{{NBR
| name = Investigating Gemma - NBR 7
| number = NBR7
| image = NBR7.gif
| caption = Let's see... Gemma ''Chen''? Gemma ''Sanchez''? Those are British names, right?
| date = December 18th, 2006
| url = [http://one.revver.com/watch/123989 revver.com]
| description = I got an anonymous tip that led me to Gemma's house.
| tags = [[nikkibowerreport]] [[gemmers19]] [[lonelygirl15]] [[tachyon]] [[stakeout]]
| Previous = Where Is Jonas? - NBR 6
| Next =
}}
'''Investigating Gemma - NBR 7''' is the seventh video in the NIkki Bower Report series. It was posted in response to [[Gemma? (Part III)|Gemma? [Part III]]].

==Transcript==
''(Nikki is standing by a tree, wearing sunglasses. She takes them off.)''

'''Nikki:''' It's me! Nikki B.! I'm sleuthing! ''(Puts sunglasses back on.)'' I'm being undercover because there is a lot to investigate this week. The forum is bustling... lots going on... particularly about [[Gemma]]. Who is this Gemma person? Apparently, now she's working for the order. Megawoman and Inigo have called upon ''(points at herself)'' yours truly to find out where Gemma resides. ''(Sunglasses back on.)'' But LA is a huge place. How does one go about finding one person in a sea of millions? I was lucky enough to get an anonymous message that gave me the ZIP Code of where Gemma is residing. I don't know if it was from [[Tachyon]] herself or one of her cohorts, but it did tell me a ZIP Code, and I'm gonna take that piece of information and ''(makes running motion with hands)'' run wild with it. Our friend Nancy Drew tells us: ''(reads from book)'' "When you want to know if and where a location exists in a state, simply call the state capital. Yeah! That's what I did. I picked up the phone, I dialled Sacramento and, bada-bing-bada-boom, here I am. ''(Gestures theatrically while cameara pans up to show a building.)''

''(Nikki is standing in front of the stairs leading up to the building entrance.)''

'''Nikki:''' Here we are at Gemma's building, thanks to my local Congressman. Now this is the place where we saw Gemma with [[Lucy]]. I'm gonna go up there and see if we can find Gemma herself. Come on! ''(Gestures to camera.)''

[TRANSCRIPT INCOMPLETE]

==Notes==
*Though Nikki stated she discovered the location of Gemma's zipcode by calling her her local Congressman in Sacramento. Congressmen are elected federal officials however, so operate out of the nation's capitol rather than the state capital. She would have been calling her state representative, if anyone, if she did indeed call Sacramento (though a mapquest search for the zipcode would have turned up the location much easier!)

Investigating Gemma - NBR 7

2006-12-22T03:58:00Z

HyeMew:

Talk:Main Page/redesign

2006-12-22T03:54:36Z

HyeMew: /* New page is looking good */

We could probably use a more efficient front page. While the page works well as an index for those of us who are familiar with the wiki, it's not as welcoming as it could be for new users. In addition, it'd be nice to have a wiki front page that looked more like lonelygirl15 and less like Wikipedia. So jump in -- share ideas about content/features/style, etc. you'd like to see on the LGPedia front page.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:55, 11 December 2006 (CST)

:Awesome use of the seldom used sub-page feature of MediaWiki. I am very eager to see what ideas editors can come up with for a new main page layout -- [[User:Twjaniak|Twjaniak]] 22:41, 11 December 2006 (CST)

Sorry I was gone so much lately, I've got three jobs, two kids and Christmas shopping to take care of, so I hope you'll understand if I'm not always here. (One of my coworkers asked me, "When do you sleep?!" I replied, "Um...never?") Anyway, this is a great idea for a page, and I'll leave some feedback on this stuff, which is looking pretty good.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:46, 12 December 2006 (CST)

== The video column ==

My basic idea for a video column is to put the newest video at the top. That way you see the newest information first, keeps the page more dynamic. And also, to incorporate small pictures from videos (to make the front page more visual) and to include non-video, but still important events, on this list. What do people think of the basic idea?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:13, 11 December 2006 (CST)

:I do like it! Do you think it's going to be a lot more work to update it now though? It looks kind of advanced... [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:53, 11 December 2006 (CST)

::I think we can build some basic templates to make all the formatting automatic. If we do that, it should be pretty easy. If we're using a template, we can even add a quick note to explain how to add the newest video. But we'll see, if it ends up being too complicated, we can always stick with the current list.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:04, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:great, i was coming here to suggest that myself!--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 22:09, 13 December 2006 (CST)

Perhaps the video column should be called '''Latest News''' or something to that effect, since any new video would be news in the LG15 world. Labeling the column like this would allow us to put things there that go beyond just video, such as blurbs regarding GoodGollyItsHolly's decision. -- [[User:Twjaniak|Twjaniak]] 10:10, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:Yeah, good idea. I changed it and like it. I also think we should try to make the style sets look more like lonelygirl15.com, (blues and grays), and less like wikipedia, (greenish).--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:17, 12 December 2006 (CST)

::I like the idea of having a column that has the "latest news" rather than videos. Now that the list is getting very long, I think it might be good to move it off the page. In general, I like the idea of changing things to be less text and more visuals, in general making the page a bit shorter. Keep only the latest videos and main topics on the front page, and move lesser items to index pages. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:46, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:::Personally, I think you should keep "videos" and "news" in different columns. It just adds to the confusion, and I agree with Brucker that the page should be, if not as short as possible, significantly shorter than the current main page. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 18:07, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::::By news we only mean -- news related to the lonelygirl15 story. Bree chat, for example, is the perfect example. Since the lonelygirl15 story is not told exclusively through videos, it's important that an event like Bree chat goes into the chronology on the Main Page. Something like a story ''about'' the lonelygirl15 production in Wired Magazine would not go on the list. That's not what we mean by news.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 20:50, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::::: Things become much clearer now... Thanks Jay, or Henry, or whatever...--[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 01:18, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== Characters column ==

To echo your feel of the video column, how about heading the characters column with something like this. Anyone like? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:54, 11 December 2006 (CST)
{| align=left style="width:300px" border=2
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:#99CCFF; color:black"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Vid22.jpg|150px]]
| style=background:white|[[Image:Daniel.jpg|150px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:white"| '''[[Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Daniel]]'''
|-
|style="background:white|[[Image:Gemma_background.jpg|150px]]
|style="background:white|[[Image:MNIJonas.gif|150px]]
|-
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Gemma]]'''
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Jonas]]'''
|-
|}
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:See, now this is a very nice idea, but perhaps just a bit smaller. As I said before about major info staying on tha main page and more minor info going elsewhere, I think showing a small picture of every main character (bloggers only) with a link below to "supporting cast" or "other official characters" would be nice. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:46, 12 December 2006 (CST)

::I tried adding in a modified version of the characters box. It doesn't look right at all for now, but it's an idea of what it might look like. If we don't use the box on the main page, it'd definitely be a nice touch for a characters page.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:21, 13 December 2006 (CST)

:::That was a good try. I like it better than the current main page and better than what I made. Yeah, it might need some work (like it should be centered, prob)... but I like the direction that we're headed in, both for this col and for the videos. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:38, 13 December 2006 (CST)

Ok, so I've given more thought to the characters column (with everything that falls below it) and what should be changed going forward. Here's a little list I came up with... sorry it's so long and doesn't illustrate anything. I think we have huge potential to save valuable space if we just implement a few of these changes.
*Have a nice little table with the pics of the bloggers and links to their pages
*Other characters
**Mention Lucy, Bree's mom and dad, P. Monkey, Owen, Thor with links to their pages.
**Leave out Deacon (individual), Watcher, The Other Monkey, Cassie, Paul, Andrea, The Deacons (so redundant, but it's there), Gemma's flatmate. While these people certainly exist, there's too little to be said about them to really merit mention on the main page. Maybe we need a character's page with another nice looking set-up in which we can include everyone... and we can link to that. That way we can include everyone.
*Leave out Ambiguous Mystery People heading and Bukanator... it was current a long time ago, but not so relevant anymore, I don't think
*Link to article [[The Creators]], but not to each individual profile (make sure there are links to all of them in the article)
*Production Team - also link to article and not all the individual people (we can write one if we don't have a suitable one yet)
*Link to [[Bree's religion]], but ''not'' to individual articles for [[Aleister Crowley|Crowley]], [[Thelema]], [[Denderah]], [[The Order]], the [[Watcher]], and [[Bree's religion - more speculation]]. Again, we can make sure that the Bree's religion article is comprehensive enough and has all these links in it.
*I'm not sure what to do with the locations pages... I don't think they are too valuable to newcomers, but perhaps we can link to a central Locations page that lists all these pages so ppl can explore if they want.
*lonelygirl.com site features - very important. I would display the forums, chat room, and LGpedia links more prominently.
*Official ARG should link to just AphidPedia, no need for separate OpAphid and Tachyon links now.
*Unofficial spin-offs - link to some page that lists all the significant ones, but not list them individually... and leave cassieiswatching out altogether maybe?
*Leave related sites links to Children of Anchor Cove, YouTube and Revver
*Alternate reality games - just leave link to ARG tools?
*Music - link to ccMixter, new music page and to the (soon to be) soundtrack!
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 01:47, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== New vid feature ==

Okay, so again, just an idea. Since [[User_Talk:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] expressed some concern that a new template might be confusing... At the bottom of the page, I added a link that says "add new video." If you click on the link, it takes you directly to the video column, and even provides instructions on how to add the text. It's just a rough example of how it could work, but using templates I think we could make it pretty easy for any registered user to quickly add the newest video.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:47, 12 December 2006 (CST)

I'm going to make a lot of repetitive edits to the page to add a notation system to make it easier to edit in the future. So that my edits don't interfere with the [[Special:recentchanges]] page, I'm going to make my edits as a bot. If you want to see the changes I'm making, you can always check the history of this page, or you can click on the "show bots" tab in the recent changes.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:12, 13 December 2006 (CST)

== Just In General ==

I was wondering if it is actually necessary to include ALL the information on the front page. It might be enough to link to certain catagories. Sure, listing the main characters (Bree, Gemma, Daniel, Jonas) is okay, but what about characters with very little airtime (Lucy, or the Deacon/Deacons) not to mention the space that all this stuff takes up. If you could just link to a characters portal page (or whatever it's called, my tech terms as you might be able to tell are limited) and from there jump to more specific catagories or direct characters, it would save space, and it would make the whole thing less confusing. Also the video column, to me at least, seems like a good idea, but what if you listed, with that little jpg preview (i like that) the name of the most recent video and then the description and the "author"/character. and then maybe, using only titles (like the current main page) listed the last three? there are about a million ways to do all this, but this was just my input. Of course I can't really edit things so these are all suggestions. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 21:41, 13 December 2006 (CST)

:Yeah, I agree with almost every idea Demosthenes says. There's really no need to include something like [[Deacons (commenters)]] so prominently. If we could eventually pare down the page, so that very little scrolling is required to get to the bottom of it I think that'd be ideal. Of course, it will take some work to get the various portal pages up, but I think it's a good general idea for the direction we want to take this.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:53, 13 December 2006 (CST)

::As I said above, I think the main page should be considerably smaller. As was discussed elsewhere, I the HRWiki is an excellent example in the way they do so much. Look at their [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page main page], and see how compact it is. I see no reason why our main page couldn't have a similar compactness. Rather than tossing up a link to every piece of information, there could be links to pages with lists of other links. We can have that little picture thing, followed by a single link to "Official Characters", a single link to "Locations", a single link to "spin-offs" or whatever. I think the main page should about one-third the size it currently is, if not more like one-quarter. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 19:09, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::: Yeah, single links to pages that are more specific, and not everything just dashed together on one page. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 01:20, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== Featured Article ==

What do people think of having a featured article of the week on the main page? It's common on a lot of wikis. I personally like the idea, because it could circulate interesting pages that otherwise people might not find. What do others think?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:00, 14 December 2006 (CST)

:I like that a lot! I think a week is a good time period. It's a great idea and we should figure out what sort of minimum quality standards an article must meet, and who gets to decide each week. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:04, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::I like it too, but as you said what are the criteria? Who decides? Theres a lot to do in order to have this idea work, certain pages would need to be cleaned up, others might need to be trimmed down. It would be a lot of work, but I think it's a cool idea, good enough to merit the work. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 01:24, 15 December 2006 (CST)

:::I've seen a few other wikis that do it. Basically they just discuss and vote. We could do it at the [[LGPedia:Community Portal|Community Portal]]. I think once a week is a schedule we'd be able to keep up with. We could do it batting order style. We could have the featured article on the main page. Then we have an article on deck for next week -- that everybody chips in to make really good. Then we could have a couple articles that we're considering for two weeks out.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 02:22, 15 December 2006 (CST)

::::I think its a good idea to have that pipe-line like idea. It means that you can have all the work focused on just one or two articles. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 09:05, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== ACTION! ==

Let's put some of this into use! I'm going to start with the Characters info.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:46, 20 December 2006 (CST)

== Color scheme ==

Since one of the goals of the redesign project was to make the main page look less like Wikipedia and more like Lonelygirl15, I thought maybe we should give some thought to our color scheme. Right now the main page uses pastels reminiscent of Wikipedia. When we redesign it, we should try to use colors that mimic the LG15 website (much like we've used templates to mimic user's YouTube profiles. I put together a table of html colors that to me look like the ones on LG15. Feel free to add better colors as seen fit! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 12:27, 20 December 2006 (CST)
(I removed my table since Brucker's had the official colors used on LG15 website)

Here's the actual color palette of the top of the main page:

{| align=left style="width:300px" border=2
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''''Color scheme'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|'''Sample'''
| style="background:white"|'''HTML Color name'''
|-
| style="background:#1E5DAA"|
| style="background:white"|background (1E5DAA)
|-
| style="background:#77C8E5"|
| style="background:white"|"A tribute to" (77C8E5)
|-
| style="background:#6FC6E3"|
| style="background:white"|"15" (6FC6E3)
|-
| style="background:#204C9F"|
| style="background:white"|Circles of dots (204C9F)
|-
| style="background:#2574C4"|
| style="background:white"|Light blue details (2574C4)
|-
| style="background:#1B5FB7"|
| style="background:white"|Faint dark blue flowers and circles (1B5FB7)
|-
| style="background:#2450AE"|
| style="background:white"|Bright blue unicursal hex (2450AE)
|-
| style="background:#1E6BBF"|
| style="background:white"|Center circle of flower (1E6BBF)
|-
| style="background:#535353"|
| style="background:white"|Navigation bar (535353)
|-
| style="background:#909090"|
| style="background:white"|Stars on the bar (909090)
|-
|}
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These are eight different shades of blue and two greys, and there are no "standard" colors in there. Can anyone fix the formatting of these boxes? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:08, 20 December 2006 (CST)

I tried to fix it. Maybe there's a better way to do it but for now I guess this will do. I also took down my table since it takes up space and yours has the real colors anyway. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:30, 20 December 2006 (CST)

I added the hex triplets for ease of reference.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 14:08, 21 December 2006 (CST)

I love this new color scheme around the characters box!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:20, 21 December 2006 (CST)

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== Pictures/Staff ==

I think we need to find new pictures of Gemma and Jonas. For whatever reason, both of them have shorter vertical distances which makes them look slightly akward compared to Bree and Daniel. If we can't find them images that match the other two, then we need to crop the Bree and Daniel pictures so they're all the same size.

Another thing: I think we should group the Creators and Production Staff (and possibly even [[Bukanator]])) together in one group. This would save the space it takes to divide them all into seperate catagories. Plus, there's really no need to make the distinction on the main page, is there? We can call the new catagory "LG15 Staff" or "Creators & Production Staff" - whatever works. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 13:36, 20 December 2006 (CST)

:Okay, I got the sizes all the same. Does anyone think that the Jonas picture still looks odd, though?--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:25, 20 December 2006 (CST)

::Thanks, looks great! It seems like the Jonas video is just a low-quality picture. Most of the pictures have been like that, though, recently. At least in my opinion. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 15:52, 20 December 2006 (CST)

Okay, while I agree that the new Gemma picture is a better picture of her, the cropping is very bad. We really need consitency here. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:36, 21 December 2006 (CST)

:Agree with Brucker, especially on the front page. We need somebody to get 4 good screenshots of Jonas, Gemma, Daniel and Bree -- crop them to the exact same size and dimensions and put them on the main page. I would do it, but I don't have the adequate software on the computer I'm at this week.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:13, 21 December 2006 (CST)
::I'm working on the screenshots.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 16:17, 21 December 2006 (CST)

::::::Can you try getting a better Daniel one as well? I must admit he looks a little bit dopey the way this screenshot came out and also it cuts off the top of his head which makes it worse. [[User:71.224.243.78|71.224.243.78]] 21:49, 21 December 2006 (CST)

== New page is looking good ==

First, I love the new character box with their pictures. I would like to see that expanded to include the Creators (if they want) and I've made one for unofficial spin-offs as well. In my opinion, the Featured Articles section should be moved to the bottom.
Perhaps a special "the story so far" section could get its own prominent place on the main page, while the November 28 chat hardly deserves a place on the main page. There are only the same couple of sections in there, a whole transcript will never be compied as promised. There is very little of the actual chat in there almost a month on, and I think at this point it is hardly relevant anyway. What happened happened, and I don't think it needs a main page placement. We need to think of a way to compress the main page, if we keep adding each video like this, along with the numerous sections that are on there now, it'll end up going on forever. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 15:28, 21 December 2006 (CST)

:I don't want to sound rude, but I don't like the idea about the image box for the unofficial spinoffs. I just don't think that those spin-offs are important enough to take up such a big part of the main page. Technically, the unofficial spinoffs don't relate to the Breeinverse, so why should they take up a prominant part on the main page? If we include pictures for the unofficial spinoffs, we should also probably include pictures for Bree's parents, Lucy, the Watcher, Deacon, and maybe even Bree's stuffed animals. Understand what I'm saying? The unofficial spinoffs just don't seem important enough to have their pictures included on the main page. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:48, 21 December 2006 (CST)

::I see what you're saying, though one must admit cassieiswatching and NikkiB at least have both had a much bigger impact on the Breeniverse (you used the term incorrectly, the Breeniverse includes all things including unofficial) when it comes to fan talk, reaction, involvement, etc. than Lucy, Bree's Parents, or any Deacon ever did. While those three are official canon characters, if you are talking about impact that of some of the unofficial (though maybe secretly official?) spin-offs is far greater. (Also, if you are still going to list important spin-offs on the main page in the new one, as the format has so far suggested, why NOT use an image box as well? I think it looks spiffier and see why such a thing can't be installed for all applicatable categories). [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 21:52, 21 December 2006 (CST)

Talk:Main Page/redesign

2006-12-22T03:52:38Z

HyeMew: /* New page is looking good */

We could probably use a more efficient front page. While the page works well as an index for those of us who are familiar with the wiki, it's not as welcoming as it could be for new users. In addition, it'd be nice to have a wiki front page that looked more like lonelygirl15 and less like Wikipedia. So jump in -- share ideas about content/features/style, etc. you'd like to see on the LGPedia front page.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:55, 11 December 2006 (CST)

:Awesome use of the seldom used sub-page feature of MediaWiki. I am very eager to see what ideas editors can come up with for a new main page layout -- [[User:Twjaniak|Twjaniak]] 22:41, 11 December 2006 (CST)

Sorry I was gone so much lately, I've got three jobs, two kids and Christmas shopping to take care of, so I hope you'll understand if I'm not always here. (One of my coworkers asked me, "When do you sleep?!" I replied, "Um...never?") Anyway, this is a great idea for a page, and I'll leave some feedback on this stuff, which is looking pretty good.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:46, 12 December 2006 (CST)

== The video column ==

My basic idea for a video column is to put the newest video at the top. That way you see the newest information first, keeps the page more dynamic. And also, to incorporate small pictures from videos (to make the front page more visual) and to include non-video, but still important events, on this list. What do people think of the basic idea?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:13, 11 December 2006 (CST)

:I do like it! Do you think it's going to be a lot more work to update it now though? It looks kind of advanced... [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:53, 11 December 2006 (CST)

::I think we can build some basic templates to make all the formatting automatic. If we do that, it should be pretty easy. If we're using a template, we can even add a quick note to explain how to add the newest video. But we'll see, if it ends up being too complicated, we can always stick with the current list.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:04, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:great, i was coming here to suggest that myself!--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 22:09, 13 December 2006 (CST)

Perhaps the video column should be called '''Latest News''' or something to that effect, since any new video would be news in the LG15 world. Labeling the column like this would allow us to put things there that go beyond just video, such as blurbs regarding GoodGollyItsHolly's decision. -- [[User:Twjaniak|Twjaniak]] 10:10, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:Yeah, good idea. I changed it and like it. I also think we should try to make the style sets look more like lonelygirl15.com, (blues and grays), and less like wikipedia, (greenish).--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:17, 12 December 2006 (CST)

::I like the idea of having a column that has the "latest news" rather than videos. Now that the list is getting very long, I think it might be good to move it off the page. In general, I like the idea of changing things to be less text and more visuals, in general making the page a bit shorter. Keep only the latest videos and main topics on the front page, and move lesser items to index pages. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:46, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:::Personally, I think you should keep "videos" and "news" in different columns. It just adds to the confusion, and I agree with Brucker that the page should be, if not as short as possible, significantly shorter than the current main page. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 18:07, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::::By news we only mean -- news related to the lonelygirl15 story. Bree chat, for example, is the perfect example. Since the lonelygirl15 story is not told exclusively through videos, it's important that an event like Bree chat goes into the chronology on the Main Page. Something like a story ''about'' the lonelygirl15 production in Wired Magazine would not go on the list. That's not what we mean by news.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 20:50, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::::: Things become much clearer now... Thanks Jay, or Henry, or whatever...--[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 01:18, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== Characters column ==

To echo your feel of the video column, how about heading the characters column with something like this. Anyone like? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:54, 11 December 2006 (CST)
{| align=left style="width:300px" border=2
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:#99CCFF; color:black"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Vid22.jpg|150px]]
| style=background:white|[[Image:Daniel.jpg|150px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:white"| '''[[Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Daniel]]'''
|-
|style="background:white|[[Image:Gemma_background.jpg|150px]]
|style="background:white|[[Image:MNIJonas.gif|150px]]
|-
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Gemma]]'''
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Jonas]]'''
|-
|}
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:See, now this is a very nice idea, but perhaps just a bit smaller. As I said before about major info staying on tha main page and more minor info going elsewhere, I think showing a small picture of every main character (bloggers only) with a link below to "supporting cast" or "other official characters" would be nice. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:46, 12 December 2006 (CST)

::I tried adding in a modified version of the characters box. It doesn't look right at all for now, but it's an idea of what it might look like. If we don't use the box on the main page, it'd definitely be a nice touch for a characters page.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:21, 13 December 2006 (CST)

:::That was a good try. I like it better than the current main page and better than what I made. Yeah, it might need some work (like it should be centered, prob)... but I like the direction that we're headed in, both for this col and for the videos. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:38, 13 December 2006 (CST)

Ok, so I've given more thought to the characters column (with everything that falls below it) and what should be changed going forward. Here's a little list I came up with... sorry it's so long and doesn't illustrate anything. I think we have huge potential to save valuable space if we just implement a few of these changes.
*Have a nice little table with the pics of the bloggers and links to their pages
*Other characters
**Mention Lucy, Bree's mom and dad, P. Monkey, Owen, Thor with links to their pages.
**Leave out Deacon (individual), Watcher, The Other Monkey, Cassie, Paul, Andrea, The Deacons (so redundant, but it's there), Gemma's flatmate. While these people certainly exist, there's too little to be said about them to really merit mention on the main page. Maybe we need a character's page with another nice looking set-up in which we can include everyone... and we can link to that. That way we can include everyone.
*Leave out Ambiguous Mystery People heading and Bukanator... it was current a long time ago, but not so relevant anymore, I don't think
*Link to article [[The Creators]], but not to each individual profile (make sure there are links to all of them in the article)
*Production Team - also link to article and not all the individual people (we can write one if we don't have a suitable one yet)
*Link to [[Bree's religion]], but ''not'' to individual articles for [[Aleister Crowley|Crowley]], [[Thelema]], [[Denderah]], [[The Order]], the [[Watcher]], and [[Bree's religion - more speculation]]. Again, we can make sure that the Bree's religion article is comprehensive enough and has all these links in it.
*I'm not sure what to do with the locations pages... I don't think they are too valuable to newcomers, but perhaps we can link to a central Locations page that lists all these pages so ppl can explore if they want.
*lonelygirl.com site features - very important. I would display the forums, chat room, and LGpedia links more prominently.
*Official ARG should link to just AphidPedia, no need for separate OpAphid and Tachyon links now.
*Unofficial spin-offs - link to some page that lists all the significant ones, but not list them individually... and leave cassieiswatching out altogether maybe?
*Leave related sites links to Children of Anchor Cove, YouTube and Revver
*Alternate reality games - just leave link to ARG tools?
*Music - link to ccMixter, new music page and to the (soon to be) soundtrack!
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 01:47, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== New vid feature ==

Okay, so again, just an idea. Since [[User_Talk:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] expressed some concern that a new template might be confusing... At the bottom of the page, I added a link that says "add new video." If you click on the link, it takes you directly to the video column, and even provides instructions on how to add the text. It's just a rough example of how it could work, but using templates I think we could make it pretty easy for any registered user to quickly add the newest video.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:47, 12 December 2006 (CST)

I'm going to make a lot of repetitive edits to the page to add a notation system to make it easier to edit in the future. So that my edits don't interfere with the [[Special:recentchanges]] page, I'm going to make my edits as a bot. If you want to see the changes I'm making, you can always check the history of this page, or you can click on the "show bots" tab in the recent changes.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:12, 13 December 2006 (CST)

== Just In General ==

I was wondering if it is actually necessary to include ALL the information on the front page. It might be enough to link to certain catagories. Sure, listing the main characters (Bree, Gemma, Daniel, Jonas) is okay, but what about characters with very little airtime (Lucy, or the Deacon/Deacons) not to mention the space that all this stuff takes up. If you could just link to a characters portal page (or whatever it's called, my tech terms as you might be able to tell are limited) and from there jump to more specific catagories or direct characters, it would save space, and it would make the whole thing less confusing. Also the video column, to me at least, seems like a good idea, but what if you listed, with that little jpg preview (i like that) the name of the most recent video and then the description and the "author"/character. and then maybe, using only titles (like the current main page) listed the last three? there are about a million ways to do all this, but this was just my input. Of course I can't really edit things so these are all suggestions. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 21:41, 13 December 2006 (CST)

:Yeah, I agree with almost every idea Demosthenes says. There's really no need to include something like [[Deacons (commenters)]] so prominently. If we could eventually pare down the page, so that very little scrolling is required to get to the bottom of it I think that'd be ideal. Of course, it will take some work to get the various portal pages up, but I think it's a good general idea for the direction we want to take this.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:53, 13 December 2006 (CST)

::As I said above, I think the main page should be considerably smaller. As was discussed elsewhere, I the HRWiki is an excellent example in the way they do so much. Look at their [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page main page], and see how compact it is. I see no reason why our main page couldn't have a similar compactness. Rather than tossing up a link to every piece of information, there could be links to pages with lists of other links. We can have that little picture thing, followed by a single link to "Official Characters", a single link to "Locations", a single link to "spin-offs" or whatever. I think the main page should about one-third the size it currently is, if not more like one-quarter. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 19:09, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::: Yeah, single links to pages that are more specific, and not everything just dashed together on one page. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 01:20, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== Featured Article ==

What do people think of having a featured article of the week on the main page? It's common on a lot of wikis. I personally like the idea, because it could circulate interesting pages that otherwise people might not find. What do others think?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:00, 14 December 2006 (CST)

:I like that a lot! I think a week is a good time period. It's a great idea and we should figure out what sort of minimum quality standards an article must meet, and who gets to decide each week. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:04, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::I like it too, but as you said what are the criteria? Who decides? Theres a lot to do in order to have this idea work, certain pages would need to be cleaned up, others might need to be trimmed down. It would be a lot of work, but I think it's a cool idea, good enough to merit the work. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 01:24, 15 December 2006 (CST)

:::I've seen a few other wikis that do it. Basically they just discuss and vote. We could do it at the [[LGPedia:Community Portal|Community Portal]]. I think once a week is a schedule we'd be able to keep up with. We could do it batting order style. We could have the featured article on the main page. Then we have an article on deck for next week -- that everybody chips in to make really good. Then we could have a couple articles that we're considering for two weeks out.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 02:22, 15 December 2006 (CST)

::::I think its a good idea to have that pipe-line like idea. It means that you can have all the work focused on just one or two articles. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 09:05, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== ACTION! ==

Let's put some of this into use! I'm going to start with the Characters info.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:46, 20 December 2006 (CST)

== Color scheme ==

Since one of the goals of the redesign project was to make the main page look less like Wikipedia and more like Lonelygirl15, I thought maybe we should give some thought to our color scheme. Right now the main page uses pastels reminiscent of Wikipedia. When we redesign it, we should try to use colors that mimic the LG15 website (much like we've used templates to mimic user's YouTube profiles. I put together a table of html colors that to me look like the ones on LG15. Feel free to add better colors as seen fit! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 12:27, 20 December 2006 (CST)
(I removed my table since Brucker's had the official colors used on LG15 website)

Here's the actual color palette of the top of the main page:

{| align=left style="width:300px" border=2
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''''Color scheme'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|'''Sample'''
| style="background:white"|'''HTML Color name'''
|-
| style="background:#1E5DAA"|
| style="background:white"|background (1E5DAA)
|-
| style="background:#77C8E5"|
| style="background:white"|"A tribute to" (77C8E5)
|-
| style="background:#6FC6E3"|
| style="background:white"|"15" (6FC6E3)
|-
| style="background:#204C9F"|
| style="background:white"|Circles of dots (204C9F)
|-
| style="background:#2574C4"|
| style="background:white"|Light blue details (2574C4)
|-
| style="background:#1B5FB7"|
| style="background:white"|Faint dark blue flowers and circles (1B5FB7)
|-
| style="background:#2450AE"|
| style="background:white"|Bright blue unicursal hex (2450AE)
|-
| style="background:#1E6BBF"|
| style="background:white"|Center circle of flower (1E6BBF)
|-
| style="background:#535353"|
| style="background:white"|Navigation bar (535353)
|-
| style="background:#909090"|
| style="background:white"|Stars on the bar (909090)
|-
|}
<br><br><br><br><br>
These are eight different shades of blue and two greys, and there are no "standard" colors in there. Can anyone fix the formatting of these boxes? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:08, 20 December 2006 (CST)

I tried to fix it. Maybe there's a better way to do it but for now I guess this will do. I also took down my table since it takes up space and yours has the real colors anyway. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:30, 20 December 2006 (CST)

I added the hex triplets for ease of reference.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 14:08, 21 December 2006 (CST)

I love this new color scheme around the characters box!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:20, 21 December 2006 (CST)

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== Pictures/Staff ==

I think we need to find new pictures of Gemma and Jonas. For whatever reason, both of them have shorter vertical distances which makes them look slightly akward compared to Bree and Daniel. If we can't find them images that match the other two, then we need to crop the Bree and Daniel pictures so they're all the same size.

Another thing: I think we should group the Creators and Production Staff (and possibly even [[Bukanator]])) together in one group. This would save the space it takes to divide them all into seperate catagories. Plus, there's really no need to make the distinction on the main page, is there? We can call the new catagory "LG15 Staff" or "Creators & Production Staff" - whatever works. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 13:36, 20 December 2006 (CST)

:Okay, I got the sizes all the same. Does anyone think that the Jonas picture still looks odd, though?--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:25, 20 December 2006 (CST)

::Thanks, looks great! It seems like the Jonas video is just a low-quality picture. Most of the pictures have been like that, though, recently. At least in my opinion. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 15:52, 20 December 2006 (CST)

Okay, while I agree that the new Gemma picture is a better picture of her, the cropping is very bad. We really need consitency here. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:36, 21 December 2006 (CST)

:Agree with Brucker, especially on the front page. We need somebody to get 4 good screenshots of Jonas, Gemma, Daniel and Bree -- crop them to the exact same size and dimensions and put them on the main page. I would do it, but I don't have the adequate software on the computer I'm at this week.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:13, 21 December 2006 (CST)
::I'm working on the screenshots.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 16:17, 21 December 2006 (CST)

::::::Can you try getting a better Daniel one as well? I must admit he looks a little bit dopey the way this screenshot came out and also it cuts off the top of his head which makes it worse. [[User:71.224.243.78|71.224.243.78]] 21:49, 21 December 2006 (CST)

== New page is looking good ==

First, I love the new character box with their pictures. I would like to see that expanded to include the Creators (if they want) and I've made one for unofficial spin-offs as well. In my opinion, the Featured Articles section should be moved to the bottom.
Perhaps a special "the story so far" section could get its own prominent place on the main page, while the November 28 chat hardly deserves a place on the main page. There are only the same couple of sections in there, a whole transcript will never be compied as promised. There is very little of the actual chat in there almost a month on, and I think at this point it is hardly relevant anyway. What happened happened, and I don't think it needs a main page placement. We need to think of a way to compress the main page, if we keep adding each video like this, along with the numerous sections that are on there now, it'll end up going on forever. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 15:28, 21 December 2006 (CST)

:I don't want to sound rude, but I don't like the idea about the image box for the unofficial spinoffs. I just don't think that those spin-offs are important enough to take up such a big part of the main page. Technically, the unofficial spinoffs don't relate to the Breeinverse, so why should they take up a prominant part on the main page? If we include pictures for the unofficial spinoffs, we should also probably include pictures for Bree's parents, Lucy, the Watcher, Deacon, and maybe even Bree's stuffed animals. Understand what I'm saying? The unofficial spinoffs just don't seem important enough to have their pictures included on the main page. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:48, 21 December 2006 (CST)

::I see what you're saying, though one must admit cassieiswatching and NikkiB at least have both had a much bigger impact on the Breeniverse (you used the term incorrectly, the Breeniverse includes all things including unofficial) when it comes to fan talk, reaction, involvement, etc. than Lucy, Bree's Parents, or any Deacon ever did. While those three are official canon characters, if you are talking about impact that of some of the unofficial (though maybe secretly official?) spin-offs is far greater. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 21:52, 21 December 2006 (CST)

Talk:Main Page/redesign

2006-12-21T21:28:55Z

HyeMew: New page is looking good

We could probably use a more efficient front page. While the page works well as an index for those of us who are familiar with the wiki, it's not as welcoming as it could be for new users. In addition, it'd be nice to have a wiki front page that looked more like lonelygirl15 and less like Wikipedia. So jump in -- share ideas about content/features/style, etc. you'd like to see on the LGPedia front page.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:55, 11 December 2006 (CST)

:Awesome use of the seldom used sub-page feature of MediaWiki. I am very eager to see what ideas editors can come up with for a new main page layout -- [[User:Twjaniak|Twjaniak]] 22:41, 11 December 2006 (CST)

Sorry I was gone so much lately, I've got three jobs, two kids and Christmas shopping to take care of, so I hope you'll understand if I'm not always here. (One of my coworkers asked me, "When do you sleep?!" I replied, "Um...never?") Anyway, this is a great idea for a page, and I'll leave some feedback on this stuff, which is looking pretty good.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:46, 12 December 2006 (CST)

== The video column ==

My basic idea for a video column is to put the newest video at the top. That way you see the newest information first, keeps the page more dynamic. And also, to incorporate small pictures from videos (to make the front page more visual) and to include non-video, but still important events, on this list. What do people think of the basic idea?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:13, 11 December 2006 (CST)

:I do like it! Do you think it's going to be a lot more work to update it now though? It looks kind of advanced... [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:53, 11 December 2006 (CST)

::I think we can build some basic templates to make all the formatting automatic. If we do that, it should be pretty easy. If we're using a template, we can even add a quick note to explain how to add the newest video. But we'll see, if it ends up being too complicated, we can always stick with the current list.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:04, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:great, i was coming here to suggest that myself!--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 22:09, 13 December 2006 (CST)

Perhaps the video column should be called '''Latest News''' or something to that effect, since any new video would be news in the LG15 world. Labeling the column like this would allow us to put things there that go beyond just video, such as blurbs regarding GoodGollyItsHolly's decision. -- [[User:Twjaniak|Twjaniak]] 10:10, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:Yeah, good idea. I changed it and like it. I also think we should try to make the style sets look more like lonelygirl15.com, (blues and grays), and less like wikipedia, (greenish).--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:17, 12 December 2006 (CST)

::I like the idea of having a column that has the "latest news" rather than videos. Now that the list is getting very long, I think it might be good to move it off the page. In general, I like the idea of changing things to be less text and more visuals, in general making the page a bit shorter. Keep only the latest videos and main topics on the front page, and move lesser items to index pages. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:46, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:::Personally, I think you should keep "videos" and "news" in different columns. It just adds to the confusion, and I agree with Brucker that the page should be, if not as short as possible, significantly shorter than the current main page. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 18:07, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::::By news we only mean -- news related to the lonelygirl15 story. Bree chat, for example, is the perfect example. Since the lonelygirl15 story is not told exclusively through videos, it's important that an event like Bree chat goes into the chronology on the Main Page. Something like a story ''about'' the lonelygirl15 production in Wired Magazine would not go on the list. That's not what we mean by news.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 20:50, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::::: Things become much clearer now... Thanks Jay, or Henry, or whatever...--[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 01:18, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== Characters column ==

To echo your feel of the video column, how about heading the characters column with something like this. Anyone like? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:54, 11 December 2006 (CST)
{| align=left style="width:300px" border=2
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:#99CCFF; color:black"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Vid22.jpg|150px]]
| style=background:white|[[Image:Daniel.jpg|150px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:white"| '''[[Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Daniel]]'''
|-
|style="background:white|[[Image:Gemma_background.jpg|150px]]
|style="background:white|[[Image:MNIJonas.gif|150px]]
|-
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Gemma]]'''
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Jonas]]'''
|-
|}
<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
:See, now this is a very nice idea, but perhaps just a bit smaller. As I said before about major info staying on tha main page and more minor info going elsewhere, I think showing a small picture of every main character (bloggers only) with a link below to "supporting cast" or "other official characters" would be nice. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:46, 12 December 2006 (CST)

::I tried adding in a modified version of the characters box. It doesn't look right at all for now, but it's an idea of what it might look like. If we don't use the box on the main page, it'd definitely be a nice touch for a characters page.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:21, 13 December 2006 (CST)

:::That was a good try. I like it better than the current main page and better than what I made. Yeah, it might need some work (like it should be centered, prob)... but I like the direction that we're headed in, both for this col and for the videos. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:38, 13 December 2006 (CST)

Ok, so I've given more thought to the characters column (with everything that falls below it) and what should be changed going forward. Here's a little list I came up with... sorry it's so long and doesn't illustrate anything. I think we have huge potential to save valuable space if we just implement a few of these changes.
*Have a nice little table with the pics of the bloggers and links to their pages
*Other characters
**Mention Lucy, Bree's mom and dad, P. Monkey, Owen, Thor with links to their pages.
**Leave out Deacon (individual), Watcher, The Other Monkey, Cassie, Paul, Andrea, The Deacons (so redundant, but it's there), Gemma's flatmate. While these people certainly exist, there's too little to be said about them to really merit mention on the main page. Maybe we need a character's page with another nice looking set-up in which we can include everyone... and we can link to that. That way we can include everyone.
*Leave out Ambiguous Mystery People heading and Bukanator... it was current a long time ago, but not so relevant anymore, I don't think
*Link to article [[The Creators]], but not to each individual profile (make sure there are links to all of them in the article)
*Production Team - also link to article and not all the individual people (we can write one if we don't have a suitable one yet)
*Link to [[Bree's religion]], but ''not'' to individual articles for [[Aleister Crowley|Crowley]], [[Thelema]], [[Denderah]], [[The Order]], the [[Watcher]], and [[Bree's religion - more speculation]]. Again, we can make sure that the Bree's religion article is comprehensive enough and has all these links in it.
*I'm not sure what to do with the locations pages... I don't think they are too valuable to newcomers, but perhaps we can link to a central Locations page that lists all these pages so ppl can explore if they want.
*lonelygirl.com site features - very important. I would display the forums, chat room, and LGpedia links more prominently.
*Official ARG should link to just AphidPedia, no need for separate OpAphid and Tachyon links now.
*Unofficial spin-offs - link to some page that lists all the significant ones, but not list them individually... and leave cassieiswatching out altogether maybe?
*Leave related sites links to Children of Anchor Cove, YouTube and Revver
*Alternate reality games - just leave link to ARG tools?
*Music - link to ccMixter, new music page and to the (soon to be) soundtrack!
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 01:47, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== New vid feature ==

Okay, so again, just an idea. Since [[User_Talk:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] expressed some concern that a new template might be confusing... At the bottom of the page, I added a link that says "add new video." If you click on the link, it takes you directly to the video column, and even provides instructions on how to add the text. It's just a rough example of how it could work, but using templates I think we could make it pretty easy for any registered user to quickly add the newest video.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:47, 12 December 2006 (CST)

I'm going to make a lot of repetitive edits to the page to add a notation system to make it easier to edit in the future. So that my edits don't interfere with the [[Special:recentchanges]] page, I'm going to make my edits as a bot. If you want to see the changes I'm making, you can always check the history of this page, or you can click on the "show bots" tab in the recent changes.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:12, 13 December 2006 (CST)

== Just In General ==

I was wondering if it is actually necessary to include ALL the information on the front page. It might be enough to link to certain catagories. Sure, listing the main characters (Bree, Gemma, Daniel, Jonas) is okay, but what about characters with very little airtime (Lucy, or the Deacon/Deacons) not to mention the space that all this stuff takes up. If you could just link to a characters portal page (or whatever it's called, my tech terms as you might be able to tell are limited) and from there jump to more specific catagories or direct characters, it would save space, and it would make the whole thing less confusing. Also the video column, to me at least, seems like a good idea, but what if you listed, with that little jpg preview (i like that) the name of the most recent video and then the description and the "author"/character. and then maybe, using only titles (like the current main page) listed the last three? there are about a million ways to do all this, but this was just my input. Of course I can't really edit things so these are all suggestions. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 21:41, 13 December 2006 (CST)

:Yeah, I agree with almost every idea Demosthenes says. There's really no need to include something like [[Deacons (commenters)]] so prominently. If we could eventually pare down the page, so that very little scrolling is required to get to the bottom of it I think that'd be ideal. Of course, it will take some work to get the various portal pages up, but I think it's a good general idea for the direction we want to take this.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:53, 13 December 2006 (CST)

::As I said above, I think the main page should be considerably smaller. As was discussed elsewhere, I the HRWiki is an excellent example in the way they do so much. Look at their [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page main page], and see how compact it is. I see no reason why our main page couldn't have a similar compactness. Rather than tossing up a link to every piece of information, there could be links to pages with lists of other links. We can have that little picture thing, followed by a single link to "Official Characters", a single link to "Locations", a single link to "spin-offs" or whatever. I think the main page should about one-third the size it currently is, if not more like one-quarter. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 19:09, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::: Yeah, single links to pages that are more specific, and not everything just dashed together on one page. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 01:20, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== Featured Article ==

What do people think of having a featured article of the week on the main page? It's common on a lot of wikis. I personally like the idea, because it could circulate interesting pages that otherwise people might not find. What do others think?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:00, 14 December 2006 (CST)

:I like that a lot! I think a week is a good time period. It's a great idea and we should figure out what sort of minimum quality standards an article must meet, and who gets to decide each week. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:04, 14 December 2006 (CST)

::I like it too, but as you said what are the criteria? Who decides? Theres a lot to do in order to have this idea work, certain pages would need to be cleaned up, others might need to be trimmed down. It would be a lot of work, but I think it's a cool idea, good enough to merit the work. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 01:24, 15 December 2006 (CST)

:::I've seen a few other wikis that do it. Basically they just discuss and vote. We could do it at the [[LGPedia:Community Portal|Community Portal]]. I think once a week is a schedule we'd be able to keep up with. We could do it batting order style. We could have the featured article on the main page. Then we have an article on deck for next week -- that everybody chips in to make really good. Then we could have a couple articles that we're considering for two weeks out.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 02:22, 15 December 2006 (CST)

::::I think its a good idea to have that pipe-line like idea. It means that you can have all the work focused on just one or two articles. --[[User:Demosthenesdown|Demosthenesdown]] 09:05, 15 December 2006 (CST)

== ACTION! ==

Let's put some of this into use! I'm going to start with the Characters info.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:46, 20 December 2006 (CST)

== Color scheme ==

Since one of the goals of the redesign project was to make the main page look less like Wikipedia and more like Lonelygirl15, I thought maybe we should give some thought to our color scheme. Right now the main page uses pastels reminiscent of Wikipedia. When we redesign it, we should try to use colors that mimic the LG15 website (much like we've used templates to mimic user's YouTube profiles. I put together a table of html colors that to me look like the ones on LG15. Feel free to add better colors as seen fit! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 12:27, 20 December 2006 (CST)
(I removed my table since Brucker's had the official colors used on LG15 website)

Here's the actual color palette of the top of the main page:

{| align=left style="width:300px" border=2
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''''Color scheme'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|'''Sample'''
| style="background:white"|'''HTML Color name'''
|-
| style="background:#1E5DAA"|
| style="background:white"|background (1E5DAA)
|-
| style="background:#77C8E5"|
| style="background:white"|"A tribute to" (77C8E5)
|-
| style="background:#6FC6E3"|
| style="background:white"|"15" (6FC6E3)
|-
| style="background:#204C9F"|
| style="background:white"|Circles of dots (204C9F)
|-
| style="background:#2574C4"|
| style="background:white"|Light blue details (2574C4)
|-
| style="background:#1B5FB7"|
| style="background:white"|Faint dark blue flowers and circles (1B5FB7)
|-
| style="background:#2450AE"|
| style="background:white"|Bright blue unicursal hex (2450AE)
|-
| style="background:#1E6BBF"|
| style="background:white"|Center circle of flower (1E6BBF)
|-
| style="background:#535353"|
| style="background:white"|Navigation bar (535353)
|-
| style="background:#909090"|
| style="background:white"|Stars on the bar (909090)
|-
|}
<br><br><br><br><br>
These are eight different shades of blue and two greys, and there are no "standard" colors in there. Can anyone fix the formatting of these boxes? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:08, 20 December 2006 (CST)

I tried to fix it. Maybe there's a better way to do it but for now I guess this will do. I also took down my table since it takes up space and yours has the real colors anyway. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:30, 20 December 2006 (CST)

I added the hex triplets for ease of reference.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 14:08, 21 December 2006 (CST)

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== Pictures/Staff ==

I think we need to find new pictures of Gemma and Jonas. For whatever reason, both of them have shorter vertical distances which makes them look slightly akward compared to Bree and Daniel. If we can't find them images that match the other two, then we need to crop the Bree and Daniel pictures so they're all the same size.

Another thing: I think we should group the Creators and Production Staff (and possibly even [[Bukanator]])) together in one group. This would save the space it takes to divide them all into seperate catagories. Plus, there's really no need to make the distinction on the main page, is there? We can call the new catagory "LG15 Staff" or "Creators & Production Staff" - whatever works. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 13:36, 20 December 2006 (CST)

:Okay, I got the sizes all the same. Does anyone think that the Jonas picture still looks odd, though?--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:25, 20 December 2006 (CST)

::Thanks, looks great! It seems like the Jonas video is just a low-quality picture. Most of the pictures have been like that, though, recently. At least in my opinion. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 15:52, 20 December 2006 (CST)

Okay, while I agree that the new Gemma picture is a better picture of her, the cropping is very bad. We really need consitency here. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:36, 21 December 2006 (CST)

:Agree with Brucker, especially on the front page. We need somebody to get 4 good screenshots of Jonas, Gemma, Daniel and Bree -- crop them to the exact same size and dimensions and put them on the main page. I would do it, but I don't have the adequate software on the computer I'm at this week.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:13, 21 December 2006 (CST)

== New page is looking good ==

First, I love the new character box with their pictures. I would like to see that expanded to include the Creators (if they want) and I've made one for unofficial spin-offs as well. In my opinion, the Featured Articles section should be moved to the bottom.
Perhaps a special "the story so far" section could get its own prominent place on the main page, while the November 28 chat hardly deserves a place on the main page. There are only the same couple of sections in there, a whole transcript will never be compied as promised. There is very little of the actual chat in there almost a month on, and I think at this point it is hardly relevant anyway. What happened happened, and I don't think it needs a main page placement. We need to think of a way to compress the main page, if we keep adding each video like this, along with the numerous sections that are on there now, it'll end up going on forever. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 15:28, 21 December 2006 (CST)

LG15 Spin-offs

2006-12-21T21:20:54Z

HyeMew: Reformated name of Homeschoolers A.

__NOTOC__
==Characters and series==

===Series which comment on the [[Breeniverse]]===
* [[TWJaniak]]
* [[Paulmark18|Paul & Andrea]]
* [[The_Homeschoolers_Aggregate|The Homeschoolers Aggregate]]
* [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SACREDfilms Students of Anchor Cove Rallying to Eliminate Degeneracy]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4LPD60OdL0 The Story of Purple Monkey], a trailer for a movie starring Bree as the bad guy who abuses p. monkey. hilarious.
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snLtHgHmjDk "Throwing Stars, Breaking Hearts"], a mashup film of askaninja and the lonelygirl15 videos.
* [[Iris2009]]
* [[Immant]]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAo7-EqreB4 Video Assassin]
* [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=tannhaus Tannhaus and his A Thelemite Speaks series]
* [[Orange Slurpee]]
* [http://www.youtube.com/user/Zarbod Zarbod], an extraterrestrial on YouTube who has a crush on Bree.
* [[ApotheosisAZ]] A person of the highest ethical order submits insane satire and zaniness.

===Series commenting on [[cassieiswatching]]===
* [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=frankiswaking frankiswaking YouTube Account*]
* [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=etchings Etchings]
* [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=OpAphid OpAphid YouTube Account*]
* [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=RickKnowsWhy RickKnowsWhy]
* [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=cassieiswatching222 cassieiswatching222]
* [[LordGreystoke422]]

* [[Frankiswaking]]
* [[OpAphid]]

==Collections==
* [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=watchingOpAphid WatchingOpAphid] -- A YouTube fan account attempting to keep track of all LG15:OpAphid related posts
* [http://www.youtube.com/ReporteroR CS] Lonelygirl15 videos [[LG15 in Spanish|translated to Spanish]]. Videos de Lonelygirl15 traducidos al español.

[[Category: Fan Fiction]]

LG15 Spin-offs

2006-12-21T21:20:32Z

HyeMew: Added some spin-offs, removed OpAphid as it is official

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==Characters and series==

===Series which comment on the [[Breeniverse]]===
* [[TWJaniak]]
* [[Paulmark18|Paul & Andrea]]
* [[The_Homeschoolers_Aggregate]]
* [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SACREDfilms Students of Anchor Cove Rallying to Eliminate Degeneracy]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4LPD60OdL0 The Story of Purple Monkey], a trailer for a movie starring Bree as the bad guy who abuses p. monkey. hilarious.
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snLtHgHmjDk "Throwing Stars, Breaking Hearts"], a mashup film of askaninja and the lonelygirl15 videos.
* [[Iris2009]]
* [[Immant]]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAo7-EqreB4 Video Assassin]
* [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=tannhaus Tannhaus and his A Thelemite Speaks series]
* [[Orange Slurpee]]
* [http://www.youtube.com/user/Zarbod Zarbod], an extraterrestrial on YouTube who has a crush on Bree.
* [[ApotheosisAZ]] A person of the highest ethical order submits insane satire and zaniness.

===Series commenting on [[cassieiswatching]]===
* [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=frankiswaking frankiswaking YouTube Account*]
* [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=etchings Etchings]
* [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=OpAphid OpAphid YouTube Account*]
* [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=RickKnowsWhy RickKnowsWhy]
* [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=cassieiswatching222 cassieiswatching222]
* [[LordGreystoke422]]

* [[Frankiswaking]]
* [[OpAphid]]

==Collections==
* [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=watchingOpAphid WatchingOpAphid] -- A YouTube fan account attempting to keep track of all LG15:OpAphid related posts
* [http://www.youtube.com/ReporteroR CS] Lonelygirl15 videos [[LG15 in Spanish|translated to Spanish]]. Videos de Lonelygirl15 traducidos al español.

[[Category: Fan Fiction]]