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Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay

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Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay

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I like Pigeons

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User talk:Shiori

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Milowent:

Hey there! Let me offer you a belated welcome, and thanks from a fellow LGPedian for all your great work. Also: your caption for [[Jonas Cares]] is absolutely hysterical. :-D ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 15:27, 28 November 2007 (CST)

== Theories ==

Hey, just wanted to tell you all the work you did on the Theories page is '''awesome'''! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:53, 3 December 2007 (CST)

== 0xxx ==

I didn't say anything so far because I didn't find anything that broke because of it, but...why the hell do you always add a leading zero to the episode numbers? What is the practical purpose of that? -_^
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:35, 4 December 2007 (CST)
:[in reply to [[User talk:Renegade#0xxx]]]
:Well, since your note is lacking in [[User:Renegade#Episode Page Framework|my framework]], no wonder I didn't see it. xD (And no, that's not a hint to update it. :P)
:The thing is, with a leading zero, the sorting is messed up as well - everything is filed under "0". Episode 10, 256, 320, they're all in section "0" instead of "1", "2" and "3". I do see your point, but, in my opinion, it's easier to find episode 30 by checking a section "3" than to count down 30 in the "0" section...
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:51, 4 December 2007 (CST)
::[again in reply to [[User talk:Renegade#0xxx]]]
::[{{fullurl:Special:Contributions|target=EvilRenegade}} Done] :P
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:20, 4 December 2007 (CST)
:::[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=First_Blog_/_Dorkiness_Prevails&curid=12152&diff=90597&oldid=90142 AGAIN??]
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:46, 5 December 2007 (CST)
::::No, I fixed that; I was contemplating changing things to be to the 100th place, but decided against it. The categorization is WAY off now, though. I'm trying to sort by date added, but it's not working too well. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:53, 5 December 2007 (CST)
:::::It's less off than it was before, and it was less off than before you changed it to sorting by date. Before, everything was ordered under "0", now, at least what's starting with 3 is sorted under "3". It sucks that it leads to 3, 3x, 3xx, but it's still better having all 3s under "3" than having no numeral indication at all.
:::::I'm gonna revert that blog change, btw, because 0+order and numbers+slight inorder ''both'' make more sense than ordering by seemingly random characters. Not to mention that this ordering doesn't create any more order, because it Orders both September 2006 and September 2007 under "S" - not to mention all the stuff that goes into "J".
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:00, 5 December 2007 (CST)
:::::::Yeah, I know. Like I said in the change there, it was tentative. Ideally, it would be awesome if we could find someway to sort by date without having the pages categorized under any label at all; maybe year. I don't think that's possible, though, so bah. I mainly only care because it makes finding a person's previous blog a little easier. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 19:06, 5 December 2007 (CST)
::::::::I find it quite easy to find the previous blog simply by looking at the [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|List of videos]]?
::::::::What we could try is do conditional sorting - iow, change the sort key to automatically change the sort key to "1 - <nowiki>{{{number}}}</nowiki>" "10 - <nowiki>{{{number}}}</nowiki>" "100 - <nowiki>{{{number}}}</nowiki>" and so on. That *should* sort them correctly. {{color|red|Actually, scratch that...that would result in the same ordering as now.}} But please leave the episode numbers alone in the future, it's easier to do such stuff in the template than editing 366 vid pages. ;)
:::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:20, 5 December 2007 (CST)
::I think I found why the zeros were there in the first place; I found this on Wikipedia:
::"When trying to sort with ''numbers'' (e.g. wikipedia:Naming conventions (pieces of music)), don't forget to add an extra zero when more than 9 entries in the category are expected; and a second extra zero when more than 99, etc...: <s><nowiki>[[Category:Symphonies by Joseph Haydn|Symphony 13]]</nowiki></s> → <nowiki>[[Category:Symphonies by Joseph Haydn|Symphony 013]]</nowiki> (he wrote 108 symphonies). Categories sort by the first character, so leaving out the preceding zero would cause 10 to be sorted before 2."
::I agree that, assuming we wanted to put them back in, it would be WAY better to do it in the template itself. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 19:29, 5 December 2007 (CST)
:::That is ''kind of'' the reason - the difference is that, in that example, both Symphony 010 and Symphony 002 would correctly be sorted under "S" and then by number - whereas in our case, the sorting "0" is never right in the first place.
:::I think I just had an idea though...I think I semi-hacked the sort key on another wiki to sort everything under the space character (i.e. no sort key is displayed) - if we combine that with automatically generated zero-padding, it should be sorted correctly. Give me a moment to code this up.
:::'''Update:''' I think it's working - only problem is that non-canon vids are "numbered" JONx, for example - I'll have to add a special case for that. But otherwise, I think it's slowly re-ordering itself to the correct order, with no misleading header.
:::'''Update 2:''' Check [[:Category:Jonas's blogs]] - as far as I can see, everything is totally and entirely as it should be. The videos look in order, there is no header, and the pre-canon vids are separated. :)
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:37, 5 December 2007 (CST)
:::::AWESOME! Should we delete the leading zeros from the KM blogs, too? I'm just wondering for continuity's sake now. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 20:17, 5 December 2007 (CST)
::::::Well, the same template is used on both, so if KM vids have zeros as well, they'll have to be de-zeroed as well. Don't worry about it, though, I'll have EvilRenegade do it. ;)
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:52, 5 December 2007 (CST)
:::::::I just ran the bot on the KM vids - that should settle the whole zero-padding issue once and for all. :) I forgot to turn logging on, so there might be one or two vids that fell through because of editing conflicts, but those will be apparent quickly because's sorted wrongly in the categories, and can be fixed manually.
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:07, 6 December 2007 (CST)
::::::::I've edited Epcode just earlier, so I'm not afraid of it - I'm just not sure what you want changed? If you refer to the fact that the seasonal episode numbers are zero-padded, I did that because a unified format of #x### looks better than stuff like "1x1" does. The difference between "Episode 1", "Episode 10" and "Episode 100" makes no difference to our sense of design and symmetry, but "1x1", "1x10" and "1x100" kind of growing a tale looks a little stupid, imo. "Episode 1/1x001" looks far better than "Episode 1/1x1".
::::::::{|
|1x1
|1x001
|-
|1x5
|1x005
|-
|1x13
|1x013
|-
|1x52
|1x052
|-
|1x107
|1x107
|}
::::::::In the "Episode" part, the leading zeros were useless, 'cause there's no reason to pad the number in what is basically akin to a small sentence - our mind is used to reading "Episode 1", not "Episode 001". But in the episode code, the zeros preserve a unified format, without which the episode code is less readable and looks disorganized.
:::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:32, 6 December 2007 (CST)

== 0x:xx ==

Déjà vu, much? xD 
Just wanted to say that things like simple mass replacements, like the removal of leading zeros, can be done much faster and easier by [[User:EvilRenegade|EvilGade]]. So next time just give me a nudge or something. ;)
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 23:56, 10 December 2007 (CST)

== 4 U ==

{{Hardwork}} I think you deserve this! I was going to put it on your user page but didn't wanna mess it up! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:15, 18 December 2007 (CST)

:Just wanted to say thanks for reverting all that junk earlier today . . . you're an awesome LGPedian, Shiori !! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:08, 1 January 2008 (CST)

== KateModern Renumbering ==

You're right, the videos do need to be renumbered. However, the way I listed them is the correct way.

It's not about me being all knowing; it's about me having spoken to the KateModern production team about how they wanted their series represented on LGPedia.

There are lots of reasons that there can be inconsistancies on the LG15.com numbering and the LGPedia numbering. For instance, [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]] is not listed on the lonelygirl15 section of LG15.com which messes up the numbering, however, I think there is no doubt that this is Bree's first blog. Like I said, the way I listed the videos is consistant with the way KM wants their videos listed, so that's what I'm going to go by.

You're welcome to help out with the renumbering if you'd like. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:27, 10 January 2008 (CST)

:Hey, it's not about being in contact with the Creators... they're not even the ones who told me this. It's just a matter of trying to accurately portray the series as the KM Prod. team would like.

:That being said, I think we should work from the assumption that no recap video should be given an official number if posted from the [[Sophie]] account. In general, I think that lines up with what they want. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:53, 11 January 2008 (CST)
::That works, although The Story So Far... was uploaded there as well, and should probably be numbered. I was apparently wrong about all of the recaps being posted on the Bebo page, so we'll just use only the recaps listed on the KM Bebo page as the ones that should be numbered. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 20:01, 11 January 2008 (CST)

== Tag spaces ==

#Like I said before, this is the kind of job that the bot can do quickly, easily and flawlessly. There's no need for you to manually go through dozens (or hundreds) of videos if you simply want to replace stuff (and "trait|positive" to "trait positive" ''is'' a replacement). Just ask, and you can save yourself a whole lot of time.
#I was actually holding off that very change for quite some time now, on a simple basis - technically, the tag isn't "trait positive" - it' the tags "trait" and "positive". Just like they're using the tags "hymn", "of" and "one", not "hymn of one". I won't revert it, because, as said, I've been thinking about the same change for quite some time, but I wanted to note that, technically, your change is not correct.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 12:41, 23 January 2008 (CST)

== Thank you,Shiori! ==

I just know that you had cleaned up the information I had [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Breeniverse_Timeline&diff=100322&oldid=100321 wrote] [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Bree%27s_parents&diff=next&oldid=100319 yesterday] .
Thank you very much! I am not good at English grammar.--Irene([[User:AzukiLotus|AzukiLotus]])21:20 29th January 2008 (Hong Kong Time)

== Toyota Aygo Platinum ==

Hey, I saw you added [[Man on a Mission]] to the list of videos with [[KM Product placement#Toyota Aygo Platinum|product placement]] for the Toyota Aygo Platinum. I'm having a bit of trouble finding it in that video. Would you mind getting a screenshot to put on the page? Thanks. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 3 February 2008 (CST)

== Userbox ==

Hey, thanks for adding that spam patrol userbox, I just noticed it, it's awesome! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 21:52, 5 February 2008 (CST)

== Publicity photo categorization ==

Hey, didn't see you in chat today, so I'll try it this way...Zoey was thinking about categorizing the publicity pictures, with categories like group shots, etc. iirc, you did the Videos with... categorization a few weeks ago quite neatly, and I was wondering if you'd be up for this task? 
To differentiate them from "normal" categories, you'd probably have to go for stuff like "Publicity photos of Daniel" or something similar, or whatever reasonable system you come up with. 
How about it?
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:16, 16 February 2008 (CST)

== Just so you know... ==

[09:13] <Renegade15> when shiori comes in, tell her she's a pedia junkie

missed you in chat so passing it along

== Okay, listen here. ==
I want the page gone, that way, im of the past. let it be blank.
Have zoey delete it..I dont have time to argue about trying to keep it. --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 18:51, 28 February 2008 (CST)

what you dont uderstand im deleteing my page, 1 page..okay. That i want removed from the pedia. --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 18:51, 28 February 2008 (CST)

== RE88 BTS Sandbox ==
The page exists because of the redesign going on with the Redearth88 Portal, it would only make sense to have the new layout carry over to the BTS page (also why I created that page for the Prologue). Shifting the info into a sidebar defeats the purpose of having the page at all. (Also, the reason it looked so plain was because I wasn't done building the page yet, I was planning on adding pictures, more info, etc, to the page.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:55, 10 March 2008 (EST)

==KM Cameos==
Ahh wait. Please don't add links to the KM Cameos pages for the new actors I listed unless you're actually going to add them to the KM Cameos page. Without the red links, I'll never remember who to add :x --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 08:51, 14 March 2008 (CDT)
:I was just going to do that, Zoey, don't get so flustered. :P - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 08:51, 14 March 2008 (CDT)
::SORRY I AM A VERY FLUSTERABLE PERSON. xD (aka, okidoke!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 08:53, 14 March 2008 (CDT)

==Photos==
Hey, Shiori -- where'd you find the larger versions of the Grill photos?? I looked everywhere on their Flickr page, and they were nowhere to be found! Anywho, just wanted to say thanks on finding them (wherever you found them :P) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:53, 16 March 2008 (CDT)
:Amazing . . . I'll have to try that next time, thanks for the tip! But where'd you find them on Flickr?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:58, 16 March 2008 (CDT)
:That's just so . . . ''cool'' that you can do that! (sorry for the geek out, but I never knew that!) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:05, 16 March 2008 (CDT)

== Objection to Deletions ==
Regarding the addition of references to Userboxes on the [[437]] and the [[LG15 Today]] pages... You were wrong in the first place, shiori, to delete the material without first engaging in a discussion on it's talk page, suggesting such a removal and offering reasons why or suggesting alternatives so that it might be discussed, and have subbornly continued this unproductive approach with repeated deletions and threats, escalating rather than resolving conflict. ~ [[User:QtheC|QtheC]] 08:25, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
:Yeah, see, who's going to block me? You were the one that was flying the face of SOP and general consensus. Adding the vandal template doesn't do much if you can't back it up. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 08:54, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
::As a fellow user of this LGPedia, I'm not sure why you are assuming you have some special status here. I have restored the vandalism tag that you improperly deleted. As the vandal in question, you really should not be the one to decide to remove it. The specific text of the vandal tag is not something I control, so interpret it generally. Clearly, your words, actions and behavior contradict the impartial/correct approach you claim elsewhere. Your disrepsectful treatment of the additions I made in good spirit are not, in any reasonable sense "standard operating procedure" - you may have convinced others temporarily that you were behaving reasonably, but actually, you were just deleting repeatedly without a clear reason or bothering to discuss and reach concensus first. It's my view that you have overstepped your bounds, but I realize I am probably dealing with someone that is not interested in listening or learning from their mistakes, so perhaps I should leave it there, and encourage you to focus on your positive contributions to the LGPedia. Perhaps the restoration of this tag on your user talk page will serve as reminder to try to be more careful in how you deal with the contributions of others in the future. ~ [[User:QtheC|QtheC]] 13:46, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
:::Okay, that was a bit over the top. Sorry for taking it so far. Tell you what, I'm re-removing your 'vandal' tag here, and if you want to reciprocate, you are welcome to remove the 'vandal' tag you placed on my user page... they are both a little silly in what has been a dispute over content editing... right? ~ [[User:QtheC|QtheC]] 16:29, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

== Did too. ==

But it's looking OK, we can leave it like that.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:31, 11 April 2008 (CDT)

== LonelyJew15 Seasons ==

Yes, I remember Anne, but what about [[The Flock Seasons]]? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 22:08, 04 May 2008 (EST)

==New Quote template issues==
It was the same fix I already did on [[Template:Person]]. It was a problem with the sidebar's floating, not with the way the quote template is designed. Add <code>position: relative; top: 0px; left: 0px; z-index: 10;</code> wherever the need arises.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:43, 18 May 2008 (CEST)

==The Corner Images==
I saw that you updated the corners to match the color scheme (thank you btw), but for some reason, they're still showing up red for me on the [[KateModern characters]] page. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)

== The Family Phillips ==

Hey, um... maybe my editing note never showed up on the page, but I started writing the transcript for [[the Family Phillips]] not long ago and just finished up, only to see that you've done it all. I worked on it during time I could've been sleeping, so I just wanted to let you know. xD Just wondering, was there a note on the page saying that I was working on the transcript? If not, maybe I just didn't save the changes...
::Oh, okay then. Stupid of me. x_x It's okay, I guess, since I had a 3 hour nap earlier. haha. Good job on the transcript, though! Some of the slang Antony was using went completely over my head. [[User:Xo vanessa anne|Xo vanessa anne]] 22:10, 11 June 2008 (CDT)

== [[Evergreen Saves the Day]] ==

I left a note for you on [[Talk:Evergreen Saves the Day]]. Thanks. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 17:49, 12 June 2008 (CDT)

== Admin ==

I think you should be an admin on lgpedia because of all your hardwork. I hope you become one soon.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 15:26, 15 June 2008 (CDT)

Yes! I agree with Houdini! I worship you so much because you are a great editor of LG Pedia! So, what do you think?--[[User:AzukiLotus|Irene]] 20:03, 19 June 2008 (HKT)

==Spacing==
Hey! Just wanted to let you know that whatever you did do the KM portal page worked - the bar doesn't obstruct anymore. Could you do it to the LG15 page too? I've spaced it again because the bar was overlapping :( Thanks! [[User:Foreigncandle|Foreigncandle]] 23:33, 24 June 2008 (CDT)

==Delete page==
Hi. Just wanted to ask if you could somehow mark [[I Have a Confession|this page]] for deletion or delete it because it's a duplicate of [[I Have A Confession]] but with a lowercase "A" which isn't correct. I would do it but I don't know how. Thanks. [[User:Foreigncandle|Foreigncandle]]

:I redirected the page to the correct one. For future reference, use {{tl|delete}} to mark a page for deletion, but in a lot of cases, it just makes sense to redirect.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:04, 27 June 2008 (CDT)

==Ha!==
12 AM, 12 PM...what's the difference? LOL. Sorry about that. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:29, 1 August 2008 (CDT)

==LGPedia Width==
Hey Shiori. I don't know if this affects you or you have heard about it but LGPedia width is a considerably thinner than it used to be. Myself and a couple of others briefly [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page#Thin.3F discussed] this. I queried this in the [http://www.lg15.com/bbsposts/list/2/35/78/1 new forums] and from what was said it has been given a fixed width in order to fit into the rest of the new sites design. Here is a [http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b40/Xer0_/?action=view&current=wikiwidth.png screenshot] of what I looks like on my screen, It could be because I have a widescreen monitor and because the page has a fixed width it doesn't automatically adjust to your browser size like it does normally. --[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 07:00, 19 September 2008 (CDT)

== Locked pages ==

Hey,

I just tried to add an image for Brett Ryback (BrettRyback.jpg) as I found one on his website but the page is locked. So I figured I'd direct you to the image so you can add it.

Thanks! [[User:Foreigncandle|Foreigncandle]] 17:03, 24 September 2008 (CDT)

==Help!==
I think I broke [[Template:Blog]] when I tried to add N1ckola to the equation. I know you added LG15: The Resistance to the Template, so I was wondering if you could help me add N1ckola, LG15: The Misfits, and LG15: The Last to the Template correctly... --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:05, 27 January 2008 (EST)

==The Misfits==
The logic behind using the Official Template was because it was basically a video that would have become canon but didn't, due to an abandoned storyline (i.e. [[Slide Tackle]]) -- [[User:FH14|FH14]] 19:21, 18 February 2009 (EST)

== Template:FlockCharIndex ==

I attempted to make this like the other templates we've been remodeling, but because of the other aspects such as season, I kind of failed. Since you obviously can do that based on your Maddison Character Index and Redearth88 Character Index and OpAphid Character Index you just did, could you possibly revert my edits, use the original Flock colors and make it like it was before, but with the newer sidecolumns/divider thingy. You know what I mean. :) [[User:Kevin|Kevin]] 20:59, 19 February 2009 (CST)

==PortalVideoNews==
Though it appears that the wrap text worked for the other templates, There appear to be some alignment errors with the template (at least on the browser I'm using). Just thought I'd give you a heads up. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:42, 15 March 2009 (EST)

==Community Content==
If you want to start tagging shows for deletion that aren't LG15-related, I'm done with moving around revamping pages (for the most part), so you can do that now.
P.S. I'd suggest either tagging things and writing up one hell of a speech to go on LG15 Today about it, or just deleting them outright, and pointing the reasoning to the Welcome note on the main page. You know there's going to be a giant shit storm no matter what you do. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 12:13, 9 April 2009 (CDT)
:Sorry I haven't responded sooner, I've been sick. I'm going to start tagging the pages tomorrow when the medicine I took really kicks in. Until then, I'm going to try to crank out some transcripts that need completing, since it doesn't require much brainpower. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:54, 10 April 2009 (EST)

==Wheeeee==
Love seeing the old hands return -- the huge edit gap disappears! Welcome back!--[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] ([[User talk:Milowent|talk]]) 15:55, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Tom Mesker

2016-06-23T22:05:47Z

Milowent: Remove per subject request

{{BTS}}
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'''Tom Mesker''' is the actor who plays the role of [[Mitch|Mitch Evans]] in the [[LG15: The Last]] webseries.

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Julia & Rupert

2016-06-20T20:25:43Z

Milowent: youtube link / thought new Daniel facebook vid may be longest vid ever for lg15 / this was longest for KM/breeniverse

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| caption = Our thoughts exactly.
| blogger = Sophie
| date = 20080518
| url = {{youtube|Wvt8gDQ8d3Q}} {{KM|321}}
| forumid = 747
| length = 11:36
| description = Congratulations Rupert & Julia! We wish you every happiness. I hope the rest of your marriage isn't as crazy as today!!!
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{{VidChar|Lauren}}
{{VidChar|Lee}}
{{VidChar|Kelly (KateModern)#{{!}}Kelly|Kelly Brett}}
{{VidChar|Jonathan|Jonathan Almond}}
{{VidChar|Gavin}}
{{VidChar|Julia}}
{{VidChar|Bill Cowan|KateModern cameos#Paul Rhodes{{!}}Paul Rhodes}}
{{VidChar|Meryl|Meryl Iona Edwards}}
{{VidChar|Steve}}
{{VidChar|Jeremy|Yusuf Pirhasan}}
{{VidChar|Balthazar|Louis Figgis}}
{{VidChar|Rupert Van Helden|Ronan Summers}}
| Previous = The Hen Night
| Next = I Know
| PreviousB = KateModern S2 Week 17 Recap
| NextB = KateModern S2 Week 18 Recap

| KM=yes
}}

==Transcript==
(''Sophie excitedly shows a wedding program to the camera as she enters the Hymn of One Centre's main room. Cut to Sophie greeting Hymn of One members''.)

'''Sophie:''' Hi, I'm Sophie.

'''Kevin:''' (''Shakes Sophie's hand''.) Hi, I'm Kevin. Pleased to meet you.

'''Sophie:''' Kevin. Hi.

'''Sofina:''' I'm Sofina. Nice to meet you.

'''Sophie:''' Sofina, nice to meet you.

(''Cut to Sophie approaching a group of fans''.)

'''Sophie:''' Hi!

'''Tom:''' Hello, how are you?

'''Sophie:''' Tom!

'''Tom:''' Nice to see you. (''Hugs Sophie''.)

'''Sophie:''' Nice to see you.

(''Cut to Sophie greeting another fan''.)

'''Sophie:''' I'm Sophie.

'''Fan:''' Nice to meet you, Sophie. (''Shakes Sophie's hand''.)

'''Sophie:''' Hello.

(''Cut to the Hymn of One members greeting people at the door. Cut to Donovan talking to the members''.)

'''Donovan:''' So are you guys, um... I take it you're with the [[Hymn of One]]? (''The members nod''.) The way things are expanding right now, I'd say by 2010, Hymn of One will be very popular in China.

(''Cut to Sophie looking at the decorations''.)

'''Sophie:''' Hymn of One... It feels a little bit odd being here.

(''Sophie motions for the cameraman to follow her. Cut to Sophie running toward Charlie, Lauren, and Lee. She hugs Charlie and Lauren''.)

'''Charlie:''' How are you?

'''Lauren:''' Soph- How are you doing, Sophie?

'''Sophie:''' Good, how are you doing?

'''Charlie:''' So good to see you.

'''Sophie:''' Hi, Lee... (''Lee smiles nervously at Sophie''.) Hi.

'''Lee:''' You look really pretty today, Sophie.

(''Cut to Lauren and Charlie looking through their programs''.)

'''Donovan:''' Excuse me. Welcome, brothers and sisters and all that are here to witness this very special occassion. Firstly, we shall form the Circle of Eternal Unity. So please, everybody, have a seat around me. (''Motions for everyone to sit in a circle''.) Have a seat on the floor. Form a circle, a nice U-shaped circle around here. Well done. I want to feel you radiate around me.

(''Sophie mouths "The floor? at the camera''.)

My name is Donovan, Donovan Langely, and my heart is swollen by the sight of all these new people in our humble building. It's very important that we devote a moment for reflection; a pause for stillness. Please pray in silence with me.

(''Donovan puts his fists together and everyone attempts to mimic him''.)

We pray in silence so that we may hear the very sound of our soul.

(''The door is heard opening and Gavin enters noisily, carrying a plastic bag filled with [[Inebriated|alcoholic beverages]]''.)

'''Gavin:''' Sorry. Sorry. I, uh...

'''Donovan:''' Please, join us!

'''Gavin:''' Sorry, it's just- uh, there seem to be four weddings... just happen to be filmed this. (''Starts to sit next to Charlie''.) Uh, sorry.

'''Donovan:''' Have a seat. Oh, and please, feel free to leave your gifts at the gift table, if you would. If you'd be so kind.

'''Gavin:''' Oh, gift- Yeah. A wedding present. (''Points at his bag''.) That's- That's definitely what that is. Uh... (''Puts the bag on the gift table''.) Sorry.

(''Gavin pulls a beer out as Donovan talks, but hides it''.)

'''Donovan:''' Rupert and Julia have received many messages of support and kindness as they embark on their journey--

(''Gavin looks around for a seat''.)

'''Lee:''' (''Whispering''.) Sit here, Gav!

(''Gavin sits in between Lee and Charlie''.)

'''Donovan:''' --in the bond of eternal unity. (''Lee waves at Gavin. Gavin attempts to kiss Charlie on the cheek, but she pulls away''.) To begin, we must all bond as one with The Chord of Unity.

(''Donovan puts his fists together and begins singing a single note. A few people begin singing along''.)

'''Donovan:''' Come on, join with me.

(''Donovan travels around the circle, encouraging people to sing along''.)

'''Donovan:''' Louder, please. Just a little bit louder. (''Lee begins to sing in a high-pitched screech''.) But don't scream; don't scream. Good start. There we go. The Chord of Unity! The Chord of U-Major! We have attained unity! (''Bows''.) Thank you, thank you.

(''Donovan gestures to a nearby door and Julia enters with her father and Meryl''.)

'''Donovan:''' Welcome, Julia. And welcome her father, Bill.

(''They walk to the front of the room as people whisper''.)

'''Bill:''' You from the states?

'''Julia:''' Dad!

'''Bill:''' Just saying, they're sitting on the bloody floor.

'''Julia:''' It's an alternative ceremony.

'''Bill:''' No, it's an alternative to a ceremony.

'''Donovan:''' We now admit Rupert, the integral half of our bond.

(''A few clap as three shrouded figures enter the room and walk to the front''.)

'''Donovan:''' You, Rupert, complete our circle. Please, once again, pray total and divine silence. The unity cup! (''Kelly brings the unity cup to Donovan and bows. Donovan kisses the cup and raises it''.) It is now the moment that our bondees shall sip The Elixir of the Eternal Bond. In the Hymn of One, we believe that the shared imbibing of this everlasting elixir is the very first moment of their perpetual journey together.

Everyone, please repeat after me these words. There is no turning back.

'''Everyone:''' There is no turning back.

'''Donovan:''' When we drink the elixir...

'''Everyone:''' When we drink the elixir...

'''Donovan:''' The bond is forever more.

'''Everyone:''' The bond is forever more.

'''Donovan:''' Do you, Julia Amanda Cowan, accept nourishment from the life force of the Hymn of One?

(''Julia drinks from the cup and hands it back to Donovan''.)

'''Julia:''' I do.

'''Donovan:''' Louder, please.

'''Julia:''' I do.

(''Donovan nods. Cut to Sophie and Lee talking. Cut to Donovan addressing the shrouded figure''.)

'''Donovan:''' And do you, Rupert Van Helden, accept nourishment from the life force of the Hymn of One?

'''Steve:''' (''Pulling back his hood''.) You must be joking!

'''Julia:''' Steve...

'''Steve:''' This is ridiculous! Look at you all! This is just ridiculous, sat her like this. (''Laughs''.) Oh, what you gonna do?

(''Julia slaps Steve''.)

'''Donovan:''' Don't listen to this.

'''Julia:''' Well, where's Rupert? I'm not listening until Rupert's here!

'''Steve:''' Julia, I-I-I'm sorry. I'm sorry for ruining your big day!

'''Julia:''' You're a child, you freak!

'''Steve:''' Julia, look at this! This is ridiculous! Can you not see all this? Come on, this is just messing around now, all these people here like this. It's just stupid! Ridiculous and evil, a-and I don't want you to be married into this lot.

'''Donovan:''' Evil, be gone! (''Steve spills the elixir on him''.) The elixir!

'''Julia:''' Oh, god...

'''Steve:''' Julia, please! Yeah, I know you all want to kick me out, and that's fair enough, but look at this! Look at yourself, wearing purple on your wedding day, drinking piss from a goblet while your dad sat on the floor! And all your friends 'round here like this, it's just ridiculous, Julia.

(''Julia cries to her father''.)

'''Bill:''' He's got a point.

'''Donovan:''' No. No, my friend. Look around. We are not evil. The Hymn of One is fun and divine.

'''Steve:''' Oh, shutup, you sniveling pea dome. I mean, look at you! I'm here to tell you, all of you, that [[The Celestial Network]] is there for you! Game over, boys. We ex-Hymn of One-ers have left and we have started our own group. A group of love and unity, and it's there for everyone. So whoever wants to join, love and unity--

(''Rupert enters, clapping''.)

'''Rupert:''' Bravo. Sorry I'm late, everyone; traffic's really bad when your tires have been slashed and your front door's been super glued shut. (''Gavin laughs''.) Excuse me.

(''Rupert enters the circle and hugs Julia''.)

'''Rupert:''' You know, paper thin, isn't it? Your flawed, selfish little gang? You know, today is supposed to be the most important day of Julia's life. And what, you want to ruin it with some stunt? On our Unity Bond day! (''Hugs Julia''.)

'''Gavin:''' That langered tool...

(''Charlie gets up and walks to Steve''.)

'''Charlie:''' I think we should go. Steve? Come on.

(''Charlie grabs Steve's hand and heads to the door''.)

'''Gavin:''' Oh, come on. Babe. Baby, wait. What are you doing? He's a clown.

'''Charlie:''' Gav, I'm really sorry. I need to be with Steve.

'''Gavin:''' You don't need to be with- Look at him; he's ridiculous. Come on.

'''Charlie:''' No-no-no. No. Gav, I'm sorry.

'''Gavin:''' What d'you mean-?

'''Charlie:''' Steve needs me.

'''Gavin:''' Babe, don't do this to me again.

'''Charlie:''' No.

'''Gavin:''' What about the other night? What, did that not mean anything?

'''Charlie:''' Gav, I'm sorry.

'''Gavin:''' Did that not mean a single thing?

'''Charlie:''' Steve needs me. He needs me.

'''Gavin:''' You're embarrassing me in front of everybody. Please don't do this.

'''Charlie:''' No, Gav. (''Leaves with Steve''.)

'''Gavin:''' Don't do this! Ple--

(''Everyone stares at Gavin as he stands at the door. Gavin shrugs and walks to the gift table. He grabs a bottle of Smirnoff out of his bag''.)

'''Gavin:''' You really want to share my wedding present? Carry on.

(''The camera pans to Julia and Rupert. Donovan gestures and the two men there with Steve leave''.)

'''Lee:''' Bye, Jeremy.

'''Julia:''' I don't want mixed up any of this crazy stuff. Dad, I just wanted to be married to Rupert.

'''Rupert:''' We can still do all that, okay? If that's what you want. Whatever you want, I'll offer to provide. I mean, do you- do you still wanna...?

'''Julia:''' Yeah. Sorry.

(''Julia and Rupert join hands''.)

'''Donovan:''' Do you both accept energy and nourishment from the life force of the Hymn of One forever more?

'''Julia and Rupert:''' I do.

'''Donovan:''' I now proclaim you eternally bonded! You may unify.

(''Julia and Rupert kiss and everyone claps''.)

'''Rupert:''' Thank you, everyone.

(''Cut to Gavin chugging from his bottle of vodka as everyone greets one another. Julia tosses the bouquet and Lee catches it. Lauren hugs him. Cut to Meryl standing alone by the gift table. She covers the camera with her hand. Cut to Kelly taking pictures. Gavin drips vodka from his mouth as he sulks in the back of the room. Cut to Lauren, Sophie, and Lee talking. Gavin walks by and goes to Julia and Rupert''.)

'''Donovan:''' Can I help you?

(''Gavin grabs a glass of wine from a table and puts his arm around Rupert''.)

'''Gavin:''' Hi, Rupert. Rupo, eh?

'''Donovan:''' That's- that's my wine, sir.

'''Rupert:''' Hey.

'''Gavin:''' Yeah, how you doing, Rupert? Congratulations.

'''Rupert:''' Thank you.

'''Gavin:''' (''Shakes Rupert's hand''.) Rupo, Rupo, you dog. Uh... You may have your knockers...

'''Rupert:''' Yeah...

'''Gavin:''' But your wife's got nicer tits! (''Attempts to grope Julia''.)

'''Rupert:''' Alright, that's enough!

(''Everyone yells at Gavin''.)

'''Rupert:''' He needs help and he needs love. Get your present, alright? Get him out of here.

(''Lee tries to pull Gavin outside''.)

'''Gavin:''' Don't you- Don't you touch me. Don't even start. Oh, what you want?

'''Rupert:''' I want you out of this wedding before I have to resort to violence.

(''Gavin yells at Julia as Lee tries to pull him away''.)

'''Rupert:''' Get out. Get out!

'''Gavin:''' I'm not the one who- I'm not the one who- doesn't need help. I don't need help! If anything, anybody-- Why does everybody always do this to me, anyway? Everybody's just-just meets here and j-just betrays me. I'm sick of it! I'm sick all this! (''Throws a bowl of peanuts in the air and Julia screams''.) All this pathetic--

'''Rupert:''' Show some respect!

'''Gavin:''' I'll show you some respect. (''Tosses vodka on Rupert''.) How's that for you?

'''Julia:''' Gavin!

'''Gavin:''' I'm sorry, here. (''Tosses vodka on Bill. Lee attempts to calm Gavin''.) Get off me! I'm sick of all this bullshit!

(''Gavin overturns the gift table and Julia screams. Gavin pushes away Lee as he makes his way to the door''.)

'''Gavin:''' You're all shiteaters!

'''Rupert:''' You are not welcome here.

'''Gavin:''' Don't touch me.

(''Gavin pulls his arm away from Lee and storms out''.)

'''Lee:''' Gav...

(''Cut to Rupert looking angrily at the camera''.)

==Notes==
*At 11 minutes and 36 seconds, this video is the longest original-content video in either the KateModern or [[lonelygirl15]] series. The previous record holder was [[The Hen Night]]. The longest video ever title is still held by [[Precious Blood#The One Video to Rule them All|Kate Modern: Precious Blood]].
*Steve is barefoot during the video.

Daniel reappears

2016-06-20T20:12:20Z

Milowent:

[[File:Daniel mobile n.jpg|thumb|left|250px]]On June 19, 2016 [[Daniel]] resurfaced as part of the [[Relaunch of lonelygirl15]]. He revealed his name to be [[Daniel Barlow]] with a social media presence on both [[Snapchat]] (as DanieldBeast) and [[Facebook]][https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012426199152].

[[File:Y insta.png|thumb|left|250px]]On June 19, 2006 Daniel posted his first Snapstory [https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNmCjR15kzt1XVtWw0X6zalKU0WSVe87UBGP-ZWoMpDNFCPhQeMpmzbE36x96cuag/photo/AF1QipPX9mAQndndxaLTQt7E7Dusc-x-HhrTimOlGOJ-?key=THFPbkRjUExqN0FYZVBEbFJnNXMzeGJKVC03RzBB] and mirrored the post on his Facebook account. On the same day, [[Yousef Abu-Taleb]] posted an instagram pointing to the new Facebook account for his character [https://www.instagram.com/p/BG2P73rj7OB/]

On June 20, 2016 Daniel announced on Facebook via a video 9:27 in length ([https://www.facebook.com/100012426199152/videos/131163513974521/ Not sure what to say] that he thinks [[Jonas]] is gone. He has someone helping him and he keeps in touch with [[Emma]]. He says that the [[Order]] is gone. He does not want to look at the "hospital report" which was one of the clues in the first video, [[Whatever Happened To lonelygirl15?]].

Daniel reappears

2016-06-20T20:10:42Z

Milowent:

[[File:Daniel mobile n.jpg|thumb|left|250px]]On June 19, 2016 [[Daniel]] resurfaced as part of the [[Relaunch of lonelygirl15]]. He revealed his name to be [[Daniel Barlow]] with a social media presence on both [[Snapchat]] (as DanieldBeast) and [[Facebook]][https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012426199152].

[[File:Y insta.png|thumb|left|250px]]On June 19, 2006 Daniel posted his first Snapstory [https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNmCjR15kzt1XVtWw0X6zalKU0WSVe87UBGP-ZWoMpDNFCPhQeMpmzbE36x96cuag/photo/AF1QipPX9mAQndndxaLTQt7E7Dusc-x-HhrTimOlGOJ-?key=THFPbkRjUExqN0FYZVBEbFJnNXMzeGJKVC03RzBB] and mirrored the post on his Facebook account. On the same day, [[Yousef Abu-Taleb]] posted an instagram pointing to the new Facebook account for his character [https://www.instagram.com/p/BG2P73rj7OB/]

On June 20, 2016 Daniel announced on Facebook via a video 9:27 in length that he thinks [[Jonas]] is gone. He has someone helping him and he keeps in touch with [[Emma]]. He says that the [[Order]] is gone. He does not want to look at the "hospital report" which was one of the clues in the first video, [[Whatever Happened To lonelygirl15?]].

Talk:Whatever Happened To lonelygirl15?

2016-06-18T20:19:16Z

Milowent:

==Titling==
Should we call this Episode 1 of the 2016 lonelygirl15 series (and not X video of season 3)?--[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] ([[User talk:Milowent|talk]]) 16:32, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
:A lot of that is autogenerated by the Blog Template. I tried making changes to it yesterday to create a new category of blog for the new 2016 series, but some of the template pages are locked and I don't have the credentials to edit them anymore. I messaged Jenni this morning but I haven't heard back yet. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] ([[User talk:FH14|talk]]) 17:13, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, I see.--[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] ([[User talk:Milowent|talk]]) 20:19, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Whatever Happened To lonelygirl15?

2016-06-17T16:33:11Z

Milowent:

==Titling==
Should we call this Episode 1 of the 2016 lonelygirl15 series (and not X video of season 3)?--[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] ([[User talk:Milowent|talk]]) 16:32, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Whatever Happened To lonelygirl15?

2016-06-17T16:32:42Z

Milowent: Created page with " ==Titling== Should we call this Episode 1 of the 2016 lonelygirl15 series?--~~~~"

==Titling==
Should we call this Episode 1 of the 2016 lonelygirl15 series?--[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] ([[User talk:Milowent|talk]]) 16:32, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Whatever Happened To lonelygirl15?

2016-06-17T03:15:18Z

Milowent: notes

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Did you think that because they were quiet this was over? Isn't that when you're supposed to worry, when the guys in suits and symbols disappear all at once? They didn't go anywhere, kids. You did. The world doesn't just freeze when you close your eyes.

I know, you've got a lot of questions. Questions deserve answers. It's the only thing that satisfies them and I have many. But are you here, or am I talking to myself? I guess you could say I'm the lonely girl, now.

Sorry. Bad joke.

But if I'm going to stick my neck out, I have to know that it's worth it. That you're here, that you're still resisting. That you're ready to fight and put it all on the line. Maybe then we might see more of each other.

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It is the first video in the 2016 revival of the series, taking place several years after the events of [[LG15: The Resistance]].

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==Notes==
*The video was released on Youtube at 9am Pacific Time on June 16, 2016; ten years to the day that Bree posted her first vlog, [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]]
*Numerous news stories on June 16 noted the release of the new video and the anniversary.

Portal:lonelygirl15

2016-06-17T03:13:13Z

Milowent: temp notice at top?

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Daniel Responds

2016-04-01T13:27:07Z

Milowent: add youtube url to infobox

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== Transcript ==
'''Daniel:''' Hi I'm [[Daniel]]. I'm kind of here just responding to all of your comments. I'm not mad at [[Bree]]. I'm, I'm frustrated and I think I have every right to be because her [[Bree's parents|parents]] do this all the time. It's kind of like they pick and choose what they want. She'll be allowed to do something one day and the next day she won't. Most of the time though she's just stuck in her room and this is kind of like her only outlet to the world. So she just, you know, she does what she can. I mean what would you do if you had a camera and nothing else to do? You know the truth is, you guys are making all these assumptions. Off of like a minute or two minute video. I hang out with her all the time. There's so much more that you don't see, that you don't know. As for people thinking that we're just hooking up or that I'm trying to take advantage of her or that we're trying to go do drugs. She doesn't even really know what that stuff is. Like I mean obviously she's heard of it but she's never seen it, she's never been around it. It's really easy to make a comment on someone's video when you have no idea what's really going on.

==Notes==
* This is both the first video posted by [[Daniel]] and the first video to take place outside of [[Bree's bedroom]].
* This is the first video in which [[Greg Goodfried]] is credited as an executive producer.
* YouTuber ScorchedHotTub produced a parody video parodying Daniel's rants called {{youtube|_ICH6MzVOZ0|The Real Daniel Response}}.

My Parents Suck...

2016-04-01T13:22:18Z

Milowent: add youtube url to infobox

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}} {{Specialchar|My Parents Suck…|…}} [[Bree]] complains her parents won't let her go hiking with [[Daniel]].

== Transcript ==
'''Bree:''' I'm really upset right now. [[Daniel]] and I were supposed to go hiking today. We've been planning it for like two weeks. I wasn't allowed to go to his graduation party. I said that I would do something really nice to make up for it. So I planned this trip that we would go hiking up to the reservoir and that's where we can go and swim and I made egg salad sandwiches. Daniel got here at 7:00, and then [[Bree's parents|my parents]] said that we couldn't go. I think that I'm a pretty decent person. I understand that we have some beliefs and that means that I can't do the same things as other kids all the time. Anyways, so Daniel is really mad right now. And I don't know if he'll be allowed to come over anymore. So...(''sighs'')

==Notes==
* This is the first time Bree mentions anything about [[Hymn of One|her religion]].
* On YouTube, the video cuts off halfway through the word "sandwiches."
* This was the first video to become a major hit with over 500,000 views. It has since garnished one [[million views]].

The Danielbeast

2016-03-24T13:41:49Z

Milowent: add youtube URL; these really should all be updated, these "old.lg15" links don't work currently.

{{One other use|the video|the character|Daniel}}
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| producers = Miles Beckett and Mesh Flinders
| directors = Miles Beckett and Mesh Flinders
| vidplay = Mesh Flinders and Miles Beckett
| story = Miles Beckett and Mesh Flinders
| editor = Miles Beckett
| cast =
{{VidChar|Bree}}
{{VidChar|Daniel}}
[[Category:Videos with Purple Monkey]]
[[Category:Videos with Owen]]
[[Category:Videos with The Other Monkey]]
|Previous = School Work in Summer... BLECHH!!!
|Next = Grillz feat. Danielbeast, LG15, P. Monkey, and O'n.
|NextC = My Comments Were Deleted
}} We get our first view of Daniel.

== Transcript ==
'''Bree:''' A lot of you have been asking me who [[Daniel]] is, and I guess that maybe I talk about him a lot or whatever - sorry. He helped me set up my account, so I guess I should tell you a little bit about him. 'Kay, well... Daniel is kinda like an abominable snowman. He doesn't like to be on camera... and, he's coming over today. So, I was thinking that we could catch him on camera. (''nods head'')

(''Bree is now wearing a safari hat and Daniel is seen lying on the bed, reading a magazine, in the background. When she talks, she whispers.'')

'''Bree:''' For the first time ever, the Danielbeast is caught on camera... reading a magazine. Let's get in closer. (''stops whispering, talking to Daniel now.'') Daniel, what are you reading? (''gets no response from Daniel'') Daniel, what are you reading?!

'''Daniel:''' Uhm (''turns magazine so Bree can see'')

'''Bree:''' Pandas. (''turns back to camera, whispering'') Pandas. It often takes a sudden or jarring noise to get his attention. Let's find something... (''looks around, then picks up Purple Monkey and throws her at him'')

'''Bree:''' What are you reading?

'''Daniel:''' What are you wearing that stupid hat for?

'''Bree:''' It's not stupid. I like this hat, it's from Australia. (''now speaks to the camera'') Do you like this hat?

'''Daniel:''' Is that on?

'''Bree:''' (''looks around, nervous'') No.

== Notes ==
* The picture on the wall above the candles is visible in this video for the first time in the series. It appears to be different from the [[Aleister Crowley]] picture seen in all subsequent videos. Fans at one point speculated that it could be a picture of [[Baphomet]]. Upon closer inspection it appears that it was a family picture (see more in the [[Baphomet]] article).
* The article Daniel was reading in the magazine was identified as this Smithsonian Magazine article about Pandas: [http://www.smithsonianmagazine.com/issues/2006/june/taishan.php]
* The possible unintelligible audio is "stirring noise" or "derring noise." Derring[http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=derring] means daring, or war-like.
* Notable excerpts from the comments section on YouTube:
** Bree says her hat is from Australia.
** Bree says [[Purple Monkey]] eats mostly leaves and banana bread, a high-carb diet and is sensitive about her weight.
** In a never explained comment, Bree says, "Daniel likes a girl named...wait a minute, he'd kill me if I said who I think he likes, she went to his high school with him." After the [[Swimming!]] video, many fans speculated that the girl was [[Cassie]].
** In a major discrepancy, Bree says in the comments that she lived in New Zealand for a year. In the video, [[Mysteries of My Past... REVEALED!]] she says she lived in New Zealand for four years. This sort of mistake would be highly unlikely for a real person to make.

The Ceremony (video)

2015-10-12T12:58:18Z

Milowent: add youtube link to box - old.lg15.com link not working, this is probably a widespread problem now, an easy project probably worth fixing.

:''This page is about the video entitled The Ceremony. To read the article summarizing what is known about the actual ritual, see [[The Ceremony]]. For the article on the location where the Ceremony took place, see [[Topanga Canyon]].''
{{Blog
| name = The Ceremony
| series = LG15
| number = 50
| image = CeremonialTree.jpg
| caption = One of many spooky trees in this spooky video.
| blogger = Daniel
| date = 20061012
| url = {{youtube|4n0dhLtBbCQ}} {{lg15|80}}
| forumid = 1923
| length = 2:55
| description = I followed Bree and managed to film some of her ceremony. It was really weird.
| location = [[Topanga Canyon]]
| tags = {{tags|LG15|lonelygirl15|daniel|danielbeast|ceremony|weird|creepy|bree|cult|denderah|order}}


| execprod = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried
| producers = Amanda Goodfried
| directors = Mesh Flinders and Miles Beckett
| camera = Kevin Schlanser
| vidplay = Mesh Flinders
| story = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, Greg Goodfried, and Amanda Goodfried
| editor = Kevin Schlanser and Miles Beckett
| cast =
{{VidChar|Bree}}
{{VidChar|Daniel}}
{{VidChar|Lucy|Jessi Williams}}
{{VidChar|Virgil|Joe Rubin}}


| Previous = The Ceremony Is Tomorrow :)
| Next = I Completed The Ceremony
| PreviousB = Aleister Crowley (video){{!}}Aleister Crowley
| NextB = Following The Helper
| PreviousC = Cassie is Lying, Cassie Tells Lies
}} Daniel films Bree's infamous ceremony.
== Transcript ==

'''Daniel:''' (''driving, he appears to be holding the camera resting on the passenger seat'') Around six, [[Lucy|Bree's helper]] came by, and they went inside for like, an hour. Then they just left. (''cut to outside the car, Daniel is driving through woods, occasional glances of Lucy's car are seen'') So... I've been following from a distance. This road it, it takes you up into the mountains and... (''Daniel passes a large [[:Image:Cactus.gif|cactus]]'') ...trying to stay really far behind them. The hell?

(''The rest of this video in shot in a style which is different than anything that has been seen before, seemingly in homage to '''The Blair Witch Project.''' All of Daniel's lines are whispered, the camera is being held very unsteadily, and the imagery is mostly a montage of trees and bushes Daniel is walking past or hiding behind.'')

'''Daniel:''' This is it!

(''Daniel peeks through some trees at a bald man in a suit and [[sunglasses]] walking around by some parked cars.'')

'''Daniel:''' I couldn't...had to park up the road, but...that's gotta be them. Who is that guy? Hope Bree knows what she's doing. This is ridiculous. Look out, what's that? Where...the hell am I?

(''Daniel walks by [[:Image:TrippetSign.gif|a sign that says "Trippet Ranch"]]'')

'''Daniel:''' Oh shit.

(''people are seen in the distance walking around on a hilltop with flashlights'')

'''Daniel:''' They came up this way. It's just up there. They're going up to the top. I don't like this at all. I don't know what to do. I can't hear what they're saying. I can't even make out...how many of them there are.

(''some figures are in robes. one of them lowers the hood of another, who is revealed to be Bree'')

'''Daniel:''' Oh, crap!

(''heavy breathing as Daniel apparently runs away'')

(''he stops and turns the camera on his own face'')

'''Daniel:''' I heard somebody in the bushes, I just took off. I gotta get outta here, I gotta go.

(''Daniel runs some more in the dark, we see some flashlights pointing in his direction.'')

'''Daniel:''' I think they're following me. Oh, shit.

== Notes ==
*Trippet Ranch is in California's [http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=629 Topanga State Park].*This is the first video in which the [[Attention-grabbers used in LG15#Four-Letter Words|four-letter word]] "shit" is heard.
*It is notable that this video was released on October 12th, 2006, as anticipated by many bloggers and media. This date has some significance in the Crowley following and was referenced in the vlog "[[Bree The Cookie Monster]]" as three cookie ratings: 10, 12, and 06 (not 6).
*Some fans of the series hypothesized that the bald man with the [[sunglasses]] was a shoutout to the figure in the video series [[Immant]]. It was later discovered that it was a [[Watcher]] named [[Virgil]].

Milowent

2015-05-26T02:33:00Z

Milowent: Undo revision 170671 by Milowent (talk) thoughts that was my userpage! whoops!

'''Milowent''' is a blogger who was involved in the early hunt for Lonelygirl15 in the summer of 2006 at the [[Phorum]] and [[The Children of Anchor Cove]]. His observations about the show have been cited by various sources, including occasional "reliable" ones such as The New York Times and Business Week.

On January 25, 2007, Milowent blogged about [[Alli Danziger]] being the actress behind [[Nikki Bower]] on his blog.

In the [[redearth88]] video [[About Last Night]] (January 31, 2008), Milowent received an off-screen cameo and shoutout as [[Milo]], the Albanian bartender.

==Contributions to the Breeniverse==

Milowent has been involved in some way in the following lg15-related videos:

* {{youtube|px2DXgIvqAg|I'll Do Whoever It Takes (LG15 Spoof)}} (Dec. 12, 2007). Spoof of [[I'll Do Whatever It Takes]] performed by JamieNov81.

* {{youtube|ow7GEgtzamM|Tired of Pl*tholes (LG15 Spoof)}} (Dec. 20, 2007). Spoof of [[Tired of B*tches]] performed by Betz28.

* {{youtube|ew9rPKsnqdo|The #1 Eternal Songs Of the Hymn Of One}} (Jan. 25, 2008). So-called singing and lyrics contributed to [[Mike Frankson]]'s [[Hymn of One]] Greatest Hits CD.

* {{youtube|j2fb8NTbPQ8|Happy Birthday to Amanda}} (Feb. 4, 2008). Contributed knowledge of forgotten 80s hits and a few lines to a birthday tribute to [[Amanda Goodfried]] performed by [[Jenni Powell]].

* [http://youtube.com/watch?v=rz8-57tx6lg Eye (i?) of Rubenstein] (March 1, 2008). Contributed lyrics to birthday tribute to [[Glenn Rubenstein]] performed by [[Jenni Powell]].

* {{youtube|cQ425PFltL4|Masterpiece Theatre Presents:Hook Up At The Park}} (April 17, 2008). Spoof of [[Hook Up At the Park]] performed by Betz28

* {{youtube|9NW6O0Iycds|Bromance}} (April 24, 2008). What the "crossover" really meant for Jonas and Steve.

* {{youtube|qBz3QPh-WX8|Lord Carruthers EXPOSED!}} (June 22, 2008). The truth about the identity of Lord Carruthers.

* {{youtube|vp5PgghVNr0|The Inconsistance}} (Fall 2008). A 3-episode voiceover spoof of LG15: The Resistance.

* {{youtube|JFwzQEfLnOo|Webseries Down Under}} (March 13, 2009). A parody tribute to Australian webseries, including LG15: The Last and OzGirl.

* {{youtube|VXbaej4iWB8|LG15: TSIY Winners!}} (October 30, 2009). A parody of "Route 66" about winning the TSIY 2.0 contest, featuring singers Betz28, ApotheosizAZ, and Suze900

* {{youtube|v=DlrwJv4IiHw|Party In The Breeniverse}} (December 13, 2009). A parody of Miley Cyrus' "Party in the USA", sung with Betz28, to encourage fans to return to lg15.com for a reunion event.

==External links==
[http://milowent.blogspot.com Milowent's blog]

[[Category:Notable fans]]

Milowent

2015-05-26T02:31:14Z

Milowent: Test edit!!

'''Milowent''' IS EVERYWHERE.

Milowent is a blogger who was involved in the early hunt for Lonelygirl15 in the summer of 2006 at the [[Phorum]] and [[The Children of Anchor Cove]]. His observations about the show have been cited by various sources, including occasional "reliable" ones such as The New York Times and Business Week.

On January 25, 2007, Milowent blogged about [[Alli Danziger]] being the actress behind [[Nikki Bower]] on his blog.

In the [[redearth88]] video [[About Last Night]] (January 31, 2008), Milowent received an off-screen cameo and shoutout as [[Milo]], the Albanian bartender.

==Contributions to the Breeniverse==

Milowent has been involved in some way in the following lg15-related videos:

* {{youtube|px2DXgIvqAg|I'll Do Whoever It Takes (LG15 Spoof)}} (Dec. 12, 2007). Spoof of [[I'll Do Whatever It Takes]] performed by JamieNov81.

* {{youtube|ow7GEgtzamM|Tired of Pl*tholes (LG15 Spoof)}} (Dec. 20, 2007). Spoof of [[Tired of B*tches]] performed by Betz28.

* {{youtube|ew9rPKsnqdo|The #1 Eternal Songs Of the Hymn Of One}} (Jan. 25, 2008). So-called singing and lyrics contributed to [[Mike Frankson]]'s [[Hymn of One]] Greatest Hits CD.

* {{youtube|j2fb8NTbPQ8|Happy Birthday to Amanda}} (Feb. 4, 2008). Contributed knowledge of forgotten 80s hits and a few lines to a birthday tribute to [[Amanda Goodfried]] performed by [[Jenni Powell]].

* [http://youtube.com/watch?v=rz8-57tx6lg Eye (i?) of Rubenstein] (March 1, 2008). Contributed lyrics to birthday tribute to [[Glenn Rubenstein]] performed by [[Jenni Powell]].

* {{youtube|cQ425PFltL4|Masterpiece Theatre Presents:Hook Up At The Park}} (April 17, 2008). Spoof of [[Hook Up At the Park]] performed by Betz28

* {{youtube|9NW6O0Iycds|Bromance}} (April 24, 2008). What the "crossover" really meant for Jonas and Steve.

* {{youtube|qBz3QPh-WX8|Lord Carruthers EXPOSED!}} (June 22, 2008). The truth about the identity of Lord Carruthers.

* {{youtube|vp5PgghVNr0|The Inconsistance}} (Fall 2008). A 3-episode voiceover spoof of LG15: The Resistance.

* {{youtube|JFwzQEfLnOo|Webseries Down Under}} (March 13, 2009). A parody tribute to Australian webseries, including LG15: The Last and OzGirl.

* {{youtube|VXbaej4iWB8|LG15: TSIY Winners!}} (October 30, 2009). A parody of "Route 66" about winning the TSIY 2.0 contest, featuring singers Betz28, ApotheosizAZ, and Suze900

* {{youtube|v=DlrwJv4IiHw|Party In The Breeniverse}} (December 13, 2009). A parody of Miley Cyrus' "Party in the USA", sung with Betz28, to encourage fans to return to lg15.com for a reunion event.

==External links==
[http://milowent.blogspot.com Milowent's blog]

[[Category:Notable fans]]

Milowent

2011-05-20T16:01:40Z

Milowent: update this critical link!! - jamie took down and reposted at some point

In the Bedroom

2010-01-04T16:52:14Z

Milowent: /* Notes */

{{Blog
| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| series = LG15
| number = 433
| image = 0433-Shadow.jpg
| caption = (''Sigh'') . . . are we being stalked by the Blues Brothers now?
| blogger = Jonas
| date = 20080307
| url = {{lg15|539}}
| forumid = 16488
| length = 2:53
| description = I'm speechless.
| location = [[The rented house]]
| tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|danielbeast|jonastko|hymn of one|sarah}}


| execprod = Miles Beckett, Greg Goodfried, and Amanda Goodfried
| serprod = Amanda Goodfried
| directors = Marcello Daciano
| story = Jake Coburn
| vidplay = Ben Kruger
| camera = Kevin Schlanser
| editor = Matt Vanselow
| music supervisor = Seth Jacobs
| song =
| cast =
{{VidChar|Jonas}}
{{VidChar|Jennie}}
{{VidChar|Porter's Shadow|Lonelygirl15 cameos#Tom Snyder{{!}}Tom Snyder}}
{{VidChar|Sarah}}
{{VidChar|Daniel}}
{{VidChar|Gina}}

| Previous = What Have I Done?
| Next = At the Beach
| PreviousB = Out of Control
| NextB = Coffee and Donuts
}}
==Transcript==
(''Jonas is standing in the hallway.'')

'''Jonas:''' Okay, this is exactly the 12th time I've tried to wake Jennie up. (''Raises voice''.) I'm beginning to worry that maybe she's permanently fused to the mattress. (''Laughs''.) I'm coming in. (''Opens the door to reveal Jennie zipped up in a sleeping bag''.) Wow, weird. You know, I could've sworn there was somebody in here. (''Pushes down on the sleeping bag''.) Somebody was in here!

'''Jennie:''' (''Giggles''.) Stop it.

'''Jonas:''' Oh wait, I- (''Snaps his fingers''.) I almost think it was-- it was a girl. I don't know. I'm gonna have to put the camera down and figure this one out. (''Sets the camera down facing the sleeping bag''.) Phew. I'm just going to sit down. (''Sits on the cot next to Jennie''.) And I think that she was kinda cute. (''Pushes down repeatedly on Jennie and talks through his teeth''.) God, I wish I could remember her name, but I can't! I don't-

'''Jennie:''' Get off! (''Pushes Jonas to the floor''.)

'''Jonas:''' Ow! Whoa! Was there an earthquake? Well, maybe it was a ghost. (''Sings in a high-pitched voice and pokes Jennie''.)

'''Jennie:''' Oh, my God. (''Slaps Jonas's hand away''.) Seriously.

'''Jonas:''' All right, fine. But get up! (''Shoves Jennie's head and she laughs''.) Get up. Alright, I'm just gonna leave this camera in here, and, uh, see if we can get a clue. (''Jonas winks at the camera''.)

'''Jennie:''' No you're not.

'''Jonas:''' Huh? No, it's fine.

'''Jennie:''' Do not leave that camera in here.

'''Jonas:''' Oh. I won't. (''Zooms the camera on Jennie''.) I'm taking it with me right now...

'''Jennie:''' Seriously, that's not funny.

'''Jonas:''' Get up! Oh, but you know what? I am tired and I need to sit down and just take a break. (''Jonas sits down on Jennie''.)

'''Jennie:''' Ow! Jonas, get off.

'''Jonas:''' Oh, is that heavy? Oh, I didn't realize, I'm sorry. (''Gets up''.) All right. Wake up. I'll be back. (''Leaves''.)

'''Jennie:''' Hey. You know what? (''Uncovers herself''.) Seriously, I'm not wearing any clothes.

'''Jonas:''' Really? No, I don't believe you; let me see.

'''Jennie:''' Oh my god, you're such an ass.

(''Jennie pulls the covers back over her head. The closet door slides open, and Porter's Shadow creeps toward Jennie, but stops when a knock is heard at the door. He hides back inside the closet, and Jonas enters the room.'')

'''Jonas:''' Actually, I did leave the camera. (''Jennie laughs''.) Uh, I'm coming in, okay?

'''Jennie:''' Yeah.

'''Jonas:''' You're wearing clothes?

'''Jennie:''' Yeah.

'''Jonas:''' Darn it. (''Jennie laughs. Jonas walks over to the camera and covers Jennie in the sleeping bag''.)

'''Jennie:''' Oh my god...

'''Jonas:''' (''Picks up the camera''.) Wake up.

'''Jennie:''' Alright. Seriously, I'm definitely getting out of bed now.

(''Jonas looks at himself in the mirror on the closet door and fixes his hair. Cut to Jonas walking into the backyard. He opens slides open the screen door and shuts it behind himself''.)

'''Jonas:''' Not exactly the, uh, friendliest ghost in town.

'''Sarah:''' Well, maybe that's because it doesn't want to be bothered by Mr. Morning Guy, the smiling dork.

'''Jonas:''' (''Laughs sarcastically''.) Oh, yeah; that's really funny.

'''Jennie:''' JONAS!

'''Jonas:''' Jennie!

(''Jonas throws open the screen door and Jennie is seen running through the front door, followed by the Shadow. Jonas puts the camera down and runs out the door.'')

'''Jonas:''' Jennie!

(''A screeching sound is heard as Daniel grabs the camera, followed by a dull thud. Daniel rushes outside to find Jennie on the ground near the Shadow, who is lying on the ground. Jonas hugs Jennie as Daniel runs over''.)

'''Daniel:''' Oh my god! Jonas, is Jennie okay?

'''Jonas:''' It's okay; just relax.

(''Daniel gets a shot of the Shadow closeup, who has blood on his face and is unresponsive. Gina and Sarah run over''.)

'''Gina:''' Is he...?

'''Jonas:''' (''Holding Jennie''.) Yeah. This car, it just, uh- it just didn't stop.

==Notes==
*As of May 2009, In the Bedroom is the most viewed lonelygirl15 video of all time, with over 20 [[million views]] as of August, 2009 It took 5 days from its release to break 1,000,000 views, almost matching [[Girl Tied Up]]'s record of 4 days.
*In December 2009, the video exceeded 30,000,000 all time views. Shortly thereafter, in early January 2010, it became one of the top 100 most viewed videos all time on YouTube.[http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2010/01/in-bedroom-cracks-all-time-top-100.html]
*There is an unnatural inconsistency in the background noise when Jonas says "Really? Let me see!" It is most likely that TAAG increased the volume of the camera's audio track in order to pick up Jonas's off-camera comment when they edited the video before posting.
*Before the crash, Jennie & the Shadow exit the front door running right; when the viewer hears the crash, nothing passes the front door. When Daniel goes out the front door with the camera though, the site of the accident is on the left of the driveway; it would've been impossible for this to have happened without it being filmed by the camera through the living room and out the front door.
*This episode title is the same as the 2001 movie "{{imdb-movie|0247425|In the Bedroom}}"

Milowent

2009-12-28T22:13:56Z

Milowent: updating per FH14's request

'''Milowent''' is a blogger who was involved in the early hunt for Lonelygirl15 in the summer of 2006 at the [[Phorum]] and [[The Children of Anchor Cove]]. His observations about the show have been cited by various sources, including occasional "reliable" ones such as The New York Times and Business Week.

On January 25, 2007, Milowent blogged about [[Alli Danziger]] being the actress behind [[Nikki Bower]] on his blog.

In the [[redearth88]] video [[About Last Night]] (January 31, 2008), Milowent received an off-screen cameo and shoutout as [[Milo]], the Albanian bartender.

==Contributions to the Breeniverse==

Milowent has been involved in some way in the following lg15-related videos:

* {{youtube|t4fZKHGhC8A|I'll Do Whoever It Takes (LG15 Spoof)}} (Dec. 12, 2007). Spoof of [[I'll Do Whatever It Takes]] performed by JamieNov81.

* {{youtube|ow7GEgtzamM|Tired of Pl*tholes (LG15 Spoof)}} (Dec. 20, 2007). Spoof of [[Tired of B*tches]] performed by Betz28.

* {{youtube|ew9rPKsnqdo|The #1 Eternal Songs Of the Hymn Of One}} (Jan. 25, 2008). So-called singing and lyrics contributed to [[Mike Frankson]]'s [[Hymn of One]] Greatest Hits CD.

* {{youtube|j2fb8NTbPQ8|Happy Birthday to Amanda}} (Feb. 4, 2008). Contributed knowledge of forgotten 80s hits and a few lines to a birthday tribute to [[Amanda Goodfried]] performed by [[Jenni Powell]].

* [http://youtube.com/watch?v=rz8-57tx6lg Eye (i?) of Rubenstein] (March 1, 2008). Contributed lyrics to birthday tribute to [[Glenn Rubenstein]] performed by [[Jenni Powell]].

* {{youtube|cQ425PFltL4|Masterpiece Theatre Presents:Hook Up At The Park}} (April 17, 2008). Spoof of [[Hook Up At the Park]] performed by Betz28

* {{youtube|9NW6O0Iycds|Bromance}} (April 24, 2008). What the "crossover" really meant for Jonas and Steve.

* {{youtube|qBz3QPh-WX8|Lord Carruthers EXPOSED!}} (June 22, 2008). The truth about the identity of Lord Carruthers.

* {{youtube|vp5PgghVNr0|The Inconsistance}} (Fall 2008). A 3-episode voiceover spoof of LG15: The Resistance.

* {{youtube|JFwzQEfLnOo|Webseries Down Under}} (March 13, 2009). A parody tribute to Australian webseries, including LG15: The Last and OzGirl.

* {{youtube|VXbaej4iWB8|LG15: TSIY Winners!}} (October 30, 2009). A parody of "Route 66" about winning the TSIY 2.0 contest, featuring singers Betz28, ApotheosizAZ, and Suze900

* {{youtube|v=DlrwJv4IiHw|Party In The Breeniverse}} (December 13, 2009). A parody of Miley Cyrus' "Party in the USA", sung with Betz28, to encourage fans to return to lg15.com for a reunion event.

==External links==
[http://milowent.blogspot.com Milowent's blog]

[[Category:Notable fans]]

Talk:My Comments Were Deleted

2009-12-16T18:42:24Z

Milowent: live!

this video is LIVE on youtube right now!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5M0tO1_iuw

Talk:We're Screwed!

2009-09-04T13:47:47Z

Milowent:

OH! I SO [[Talk:Free Love|called this]]! HAH!- [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (CDT)

=== Vidplay credit ===

FH14, it could be true, you know. Why is this still empty? --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 13:47, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

We're Screwed!

2009-09-04T04:58:35Z

Milowent:

{{Blog
| name = We’re Screwed!
| series = LG15
| number = 529
| image = 0529-DanielSarahFight.JPG
| caption = Did you steal my [[cap]]?
| blogger = Daniel
| date = 20080725
| url = {{lg15|654}}
| forumid = 18169
| length = 3:32
| description = I'm speechless.
| location = [[Taylor's bedroom#Taylor's Dad's House|Taylor and Sarah's dad's house]]
| tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|danielbeast|daniel|sarah|fight|jonas|jonastko|taylor|order|hymn of one|eclipse}}


| execprod = Miles Beckett, Greg Goodfried, and Amanda Goodfried
| serprod = Amanda Goodfried
| pa =
| directors = Marcello Daciano
| story =
| vidplay = Milo Wendt, After a Drunken Bender
| camera = Kevin Schlanser
| editor =
| music supervisor =
| song = "Places Everyone" by Arthur Yoria

| cast = {{VidChar|Daniel}}
{{VidChar|Taylor}}
{{VidChar|Sarah}}

| Previous = Grave Drawings
| Next = Sing Before the Sun Fades
| PreviousB = Dangerous Injection!
| NextB = Proof of Life
}} {{specialchar|We’re Screwed!|'}}

==Transcript==
'''Daniel:''' My head's spinning. I can't make sense of anything after what I just found. Let me start from the beginning. See, Taylor disappeared last night. She went out for a walk and she didn't come back. And we've been everywhere. Her mom's. Friends'. But there's been no trace of her... until now. See, I was going through Sarah's suitcase looking for a t-shirt that I thought I'd lost. But when I came across a picture (''cut to a picture of Taylor'') with a message attached to it (''fade back to Daniel''). It's from her father. (''Holds up a yellow piece of paper and starts reading it'') "Dear Sarah, I'm not angry with you, just disappointed. You've allowed them to get too close at a time that is ''too'' great for us. You ''haven't'' been doing your job. This is not why [[Lord Carruthers|Carruthers]] and I allowed you to return to your friends. You've developed too many feelings for them and you've lost sight of what's at stake. This picture should remind you. Now that your sister knows the truth, you can no longer protect her. Do ''not'' underestimate my loyalty to [[The Order]]. Bring Jonas to me by the first or you ''will'' be an only child. Dad." The others haven't seen this yet. I- I don't know what to do. But I don't wanna believe this. That- that this is all a lie. That she's working for them. I deserve the truth. So do you! I'm gonna set up a hidden camera and I'm gonna see what Sarah has to say for herself.

(''Cut to Daniel setting up the camera'')

'''Sarah:''' (''In another room'') Daniel, are you in here? (''Daniel jumps up and tries to act normal'') Hey. (''Comes into view'') You heard anything from Taylor?

'''Daniel:''' No.

'''Sarah:''' (''Looks on the bed behind Daniel'') You- you went through my things?

'''Daniel:''' Sarah, please just tell me the truth. You know, before I accuse you of anything, please tell me that's not true!

'''Sarah:''' I don't know what you're talking about.

'''Daniel:''' Sarah! I'm serious!

'''Sarah:''' I don't know what you're talking about.

'''Daniel:''' Tell me the truth!

'''Sarah:''' I don't-

'''Daniel:''' (''Grabs Sarah'') Tell me!

'''Sarah:''' I was trying to save your lives, okay?

'''Daniel:''' (''Pushes Sarah away and sits on the bed'') Save our lives?

'''Sarah:''' Yeah, look, (''kneels in front of Daniel'') please- I- I can't- I can't explain, but I love you and you have to know that, okay?

'''Daniel:''' I can't believe this is happening. Why? How could you do this to me?

'''Sarah:''' He made me do it!

'''Daniel:''' What?

'''Sarah:''' When I went back last year and I found out what my dad was up to, I confronted him and when I did he went ballistic. He told me that if I told anyone, he would kill them both: my mom ''and'' Taylor. That's when he forced me to come back to you. Okay? He told me that I had to keep him and The Order updated on all your movements.

'''Daniel:''' The whole...

'''Sarah:''' That way they were always one step ahead.

'''Daniel:''' (''Yelling'') You betrayed us, Sarah! (''Jumps up'')

'''Sarah:''' I'm sorry, but what did you want me to do? (''Gets up'')

'''Daniel:''' Don't you understand?

'''Sarah:''' I'm sorry!

'''Daniel:''' You betrayed ''me''!

'''Sarah:''' I tried to stay away. (''Sits on the bed'') I even went to the [[Lullaby Project]] to protect you but you had to come and get me!

'''Daniel:''' Oh, protect me.

'''Sarah:''' Yes, to protect you! (''Jumps up'') And you know what? It's me who's been sending you those messages to lead you to [[The Resistance]] and to save Jonas. That was me!

'''Daniel:''' Oh, don't even try and spin this!

'''Sarah:''' What was I supposed to do, Daniel?

'''Daniel:''' I- (''steps away'')

'''Sarah:''' Please tell me I didn't have a choice!

'''Daniel:''' I can't even ''look'' at you right now. Just-

'''Sarah:''' Daniel-

'''Daniel:''' No. I have to get the others.

'''Sarah:''' No, you can't do that, okay? You can't- look. (''Grabs Daniel and puts her head on his'')

'''Daniel:''' Sarah.

'''Sarah:''' Look. Look, we can do this, okay? We can figure this out.

'''Daniel:''' No.

'''Sarah:''' Just you and me.

'''Daniel:''' No!

'''Sarah:''' We can still be friends!

'''Daniel:''' (''Screaming'') THAT (''throws Sarah forcefully on the bed'') is impossible! Okay?

'''Sarah:''' They're gonna kill Taylor!

(''Daniel goes to walk out of the room and Sarah runs over to where the camera is. She picks up an object and smashes Daniel over the head with it. A shattering noise is heard, along with a grunt from Sarah, and Daniel can be seen falling backwards onto the floor of the bedroom. Sarah walks back in with the object''.)

'''Sarah:''' I won't let them kill my sister. I won't do it. (''Walks out'')

==Notes==
* This video confirms the suspicion that Sarah was placed back into TAAG as a plant by the Order and that she was the one who left the DVD on Jonas's car in [[No Way To Live]].
* Sarah picks up some sort of vase smashes it over Daniel's head. The sound of shattering glass is clearly heard as Daniel falls. However, Sarah puts the object back down on the ground after Daniel is unconscious. The object is completely intact despite the sound of shattering glass.

Million views

2009-07-23T17:53:41Z

Milowent: keeping up for the sake of future generations of historians.

[[Image:Screenshot-mostviewedvideos20080714.png|thumb|right|450px|Most viewed videos on lonelygirl15 channel as of July 14th, 2008]]

==If I Had A Million Views...==
Only a small number of [[Bree|lonelygirl15]] videos have reached over a million views on [[YouTube]], though the number has risen since lonelygirl15 ended in August 2008.

The first video to be viewed over a million times was [[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]]. The next four were [[Swimming!]], [[House Arrest]], [[My First Kiss]] and [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]].

In April and May of 2007, [[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]] and [[Boy Problems...]] crossed the one million threshold. Later that summer, the videos [[The Unthinkable Happened]] and [[Lonelygirl15 Season 1 Recap]] hit the one million mark in June and August respectively. A few months later, [[I'm Really, Really, Really Excited!]] followed.

On January 21st, 2008, [[Girl Tied Up]] crossed the 1 million threshold, in an astonishing four days after its release (see more on that video below). A month later, on February 20th, 2008, [[4 Girls, 2 Guys]] became the twelfth video to enter the club. On March 12th, 2008 [[In the Bedroom]] accumulated its first 1 million views in a little over four days, following in the footsteps of Girl Tied Up. [[Spicing Things Up]] came a mere three days later on March 15th, 2008. On May 16, 2008, [[Booby Trap?]] became the fifteenth video to join the million view club, only two days after its release, breaking the four-day record previously set by Girl Tied Up.

On August 14, 2008, [[Beach Party]] became the first video to hit the million view mark since the show finale. [[Spanish Princess]], [[Truth Or Dare]] and [[Watch This!]] have all since surpassed the million view mark, as well. As of May 28, 2009, [[At the Beach]] and [[Drawing in Bed]] had also surpassed one million views. On June 15, 2009, [[I've Never Done This Before]] exceeded one million views. By July 23, 2009, [[Fries And A Shakedown]] and [[Beer Bath]] had also attained one million views.

===Other Accounts===
Only videos on the lonelygirl15 YouTube account have approached these numbers. As of March 2009, the highest view count of a video on another account is [[Taylor]]'s [[Sluttiness Prevails]] with over 500,000 views.

==Multi-Million Views==
'''Two Million'''
*On June 16, 2009, the third anniversary of its release, [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]] reached two million views.
*[[Beach Party]] had 2.2 million views as of July 23, 2009. It previously reached one million views on August 14, 2008.

'''Three Million'''
*[[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]] exceeded 3 million views on June 15, 2009. On January 20th, 2008, it was the first lg15 video to exceed two million views.

'''Four Million'''
*[[4 Girls, 2 Guys]] attained in excess of 4 million views as of July 23, 2009. It was at 3.1 million views as of May 28, 2009, and reached two million views in November 2008.

'''Five Million'''
*[[Spicing Things Up]] reached 5 million views on July 23, 2009. It reached 4 million views on June 15, 2009 and three million views on March 26th, 2009.
*[[My First Kiss]] has over 5 million views as of July 23, 2009. It had 4.1 million views as of May 28, 2009, and reached three million views on December 2, 2008.

==Most Watched Videos ''Ever''==
As of July 23, 2009, [[In the Bedroom]] was the most watched lonelygirl5 video of all time, with over 19 million views. It eclipsed long-time most-viewed title holder [[Girl Tied Up]] in May 2009.

In the Bedroom reached two million views on March 24, 2008, and it was the second lonelygirl15 video to ever reach three million views on April 4, 2008. It reached 10 million views on February 13, 2009, 14 million views on June 1, 2009, 15 million views on approximately June 12, 2009, 16 million views on June 22, 2009, and 19 million views on July 23, 2009. Why it has racked up so many views since the end of lonelygirl15 (e.g., 3 million views between June 22 and July 23, 2009) is not clear.

[[Image:GTU - Graph.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Girl Tied Up, once the most watched video ever . . .]]
From January 26, 2008 through sometime in May 2009, [[Girl Tied Up]] ranked as the most viewed lonelygirl15 video of all time. It reached the one million mark on January 21st, 2008, the two million mark on January 26th, the three million mark on January 29th, the four million mark on February 1st, the five million mark on February 9th, the six million mark on February 11th, the seven million mark on February 17th, the eight million mark on March 1st, the nine million mark on April 1st, 2008, and the ten million mark as of May 8, 2008. As of March 5, 2009, it had exceeded thirteen million views, and 14 million on June 1, 2009. It was the fastest video by far to reach each million view count threshold, aside from Booby Trap's attainment of one million views in only two days.

[[In the Bedroom]] eventually overtook Girl Tied Up in views because, as of August 6, 2008, Girl Tied Up was the only known video in the lonelygirl15 series flagged as "possibly inappropriate" on Youtube. The video can now only be viewed by people whose age on YouTube is asserted to be at least 18, and the video does not appear on the lonelygirl15 channel under "most viewed videos", thus limiting the number of views it now gets.

[[Category:Notable details]]

Template talk:Bebo

2009-06-24T01:28:38Z

Milowent: blanking vandal edit

Million views

2009-06-23T19:46:34Z

Milowent: In the Bedroom, for whatever reason, has had its daily views really go up recently - its over 16 million now!

[[Image:Screenshot-mostviewedvideos20080714.png|thumb|right|450px|Most viewed videos on lonelygirl15 channel as of July 14th, 2008]]

==If I Had A Million Views...==
Only a small number of [[Bree|lonelygirl15]] videos have reached over a million views on [[YouTube]]. The first video to be viewed over a million times was [[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]]. The next four were [[Swimming!]], [[House Arrest]], [[My First Kiss]] and [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]].

In April and May of 2007, [[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]] and [[Boy Problems...]] crossed the one million threshold. later that summer, the videos [[The Unthinkable Happened]] and [[Lonelygirl15 Season 1 Recap]] hit the one million mark in June and August respectively. A few months later, [[I'm Really, Really, Really Excited!]] followed.

On January 21st, 2008, [[Girl Tied Up]] crossed the 1 million threshold, in an astonishing four days after its release. A month later, on February 20th, 2008, [[4 Girls, 2 Guys]] became the twelfth video to enter the club. The following month on March 12th, 2008 [[In the Bedroom]] accumulated its first 1 million views in a little over four days, following in the footsteps of Girl Tied Up. The next video to reach the accomplishment, [[Spicing Things Up]], came a mere three days later on March 15th, 2008. On May 16, 2008, [[Booby Trap?]] became the fifteenth video to join the million view club, only two days after its release, breaking the four-day record previously set by Girl Tied Up. On August 14, 2008, [[Beach Party]] became the first video to hit the million view mark since the show finale.
[[Spanish Princess]], [[Truth Or Dare]] and [[Watch This!]] have all since surpassed the million view mark, as well. As of May 28, 2009, [[At the Beach]] and [[Drawing in Bed]] had also surpassed one million views. On June 15, 2009, [[I've Never Done This Before]] exceeded one million views.

===Other Accounts===
Only videos on the lonelygirl15 YouTube account have approached these numbers. As of March 2009, the highest view count of a video on another account is [[Taylor]]'s [[Sluttiness Prevails]] with over 500,000 views.

==Multi-Million Views==
'''Two Million'''
*On June 16, 2009, the third anniversary of its release, [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]] reached two million views.

'''Three Million'''
*[[4 Girls, 2 Guys]] attained in excess of 3.1 million views as of May 28, 2009. It reached two million views in November, 2008.
*[[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]] exceeded 3 million views on June 15, 2009. On January 20th, 2008, it was the first lg15 video to exceed two million views.

'''Four Million'''
*[[My First Kiss]] has over 4.1 million views as of May 28, 2009. It reached three million views on December 2, 2008.
*[[Spicing Things Up]] reached 4 million views on June 15, 2009. It reached three million views on March 26th, 2009.

==Most Watched Videos ''Ever''==
As of June 22, 2009, [[In the Bedroom]] was the most watched lonelygirl5 video of all time, with over 16 million views, having eclipsed long-time title holder [[Girl Tied Up]] in May 2009.

In the Bedroom reached two million views on March 24, 2008, and it was the second video to ever reach three million views on April 4, 2008. It reached 10 million views on February 13, 2009, 14 million views on June 1, 2009, 15 million views on approximately June 12, 2009, and 16 million views on June 22, 2009.

[[Image:GTU - Graph.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Girl Tied Up, once the most watched video ever . . .]]
From January 26, 2008 through sometime in May 2009, [[Girl Tied Up]] ranked as the most viewed lonelygirl15 video of all time. It reached the one million mark on January 21st, 2008, the two million mark on January 26th, the three million mark on January 29th, the four million mark on February 1st, the five million mark on February 9th, the six million mark on February 11th, the seven million mark on February 17th, the eight million mark on March 1st, the nine million mark on April 1st, 2008, and the ten million mark as of May 8, 2008. As of March 5, 2009, it had exceeded thirteen million views, and 14 million on June 1, 2009. It was the fastest video by far to reach each million view count threshold, aside from Booby Trap's attainment of one million views in only two days.

[[In the Bedroom]] eventually overtook Girl Tied Up in views because, as of August 6, 2008, Girl Tied Up was the only known video in the lonelygirl15 series flagged as "possibly inappropriate" on Youtube. The video can now only be viewed by people whose age on YouTube is asserted to be at least 18, and the video does not appear on the lonelygirl15 channel under "most viewed videos", thus limiting the number of views it now gets.

[[Category:Notable details]]

Million views

2009-06-17T13:07:27Z

Milowent: updating: Spicing Things Up (4 million),

[[Image:Screenshot-mostviewedvideos20080714.png|thumb|right|450px|Most viewed videos on lonelygirl15 channel as of July 14th, 2008]]

==If I Had A Million Views...==
Only a small number of [[Bree|lonelygirl15]] videos have reached over a million views on [[YouTube]]. The first video to be viewed over a million times was [[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]]. The next four were [[Swimming!]], [[House Arrest]], [[My First Kiss]] and [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]].

In April and May of 2007, [[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]] and [[Boy Problems...]] crossed the one million threshold. later that summer, the videos [[The Unthinkable Happened]] and [[Lonelygirl15 Season 1 Recap]] hit the one million mark in June and August respectively. A few months later, [[I'm Really, Really, Really Excited!]] followed.

On January 21st, 2008, [[Girl Tied Up]] crossed the 1 million threshold, in an astonishing four days after its release. A month later, on February 20th, 2008, [[4 Girls, 2 Guys]] became the twelfth video to enter the club. The following month on March 12th, 2008 [[In the Bedroom]] accumulated its first 1 million views in a little over four days, following in the footsteps of Girl Tied Up. The next video to reach the accomplishment, [[Spicing Things Up]], came a mere three days later on March 15th, 2008. On May 16, 2008, [[Booby Trap?]] became the fifteenth video to join the million view club, only two days after its release, breaking the four-day record previously set by Girl Tied Up. On August 14, 2008, [[Beach Party]] became the first video to hit the million view mark since the show finale.
[[Spanish Princess]], [[Truth Or Dare]] and [[Watch This!]] have all since surpassed the million view mark, as well. As of May 28, 2009, [[At the Beach]] and [[Drawing in Bed]] had also surpassed one million views. On June 15, 2009, [[I've Never Done This Before]] exceeded one million views.

===Other Accounts===
Only videos on the lonelygirl15 YouTube account have approached these numbers. As of March 2009, the highest view count of a video on another account is [[Taylor]]'s [[Sluttiness Prevails]] with over 500,000 views.

==Multi-Million Views==
'''Two Million'''
*On June 16, 2009, the third anniversary of its release, [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]] reached two million views.

'''Three Million'''
*[[4 Girls, 2 Guys]] attained in excess of 3.1 million views as of May 28, 2009. It reached two million views in November, 2008.
*[[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]] exceeded 3 million views on June 15, 2009. On January 20th, 2008, it was the first lg15 video to exceed two million views.

'''Four Million'''
*[[My First Kiss]] has over 4.1 million views as of May 28, 2009. It reached three million views on December 2, 2008.
*[[Spicing Things Up]] reached 4 million views on June 15, 2009. It reached three million views on March 26th, 2009.

==Most Watched Videos ''Ever''==
As of June 12, 2009, [[In the Bedroom]] was the most watched lonelygirl5 video of all time, with over 15 million views, having eclipsed long-time title holder [[Girl Tied Up]] in May 2009.

In the Bedroom reached two million views on March 24, 2008, and it was the second video to ever reach three million views on April 4, 2008. It reached 10 million views on February 13, 2009, 14 million views on June 1, 2009, and 15 million views on approximately June 12, 2009.

[[Image:GTU - Graph.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Girl Tied Up, once the most watched video ever . . .]]
From January 26, 2008 through sometime in May 2009, [[Girl Tied Up]] ranked as the most viewed lonelygirl15 video of all time. It reached the one million mark on January 21st, 2008, the two million mark on January 26th, the three million mark on January 29th, the four million mark on February 1st, the five million mark on February 9th, the six million mark on February 11th, the seven million mark on February 17th, the eight million mark on March 1st, the nine million mark on April 1st, 2008, and the ten million mark as of May 8, 2008. As of March 5, 2009, it had exceeded thirteen million views, and 14 million on June 1, 2009. It was the fastest video by far to reach each million view count threshold, aside from Booby Trap's attainment of one million views in only two days.

[[In the Bedroom]] eventually overtook Girl Tied Up in views because, as of August 6, 2008, Girl Tied Up was the only known video in the lonelygirl15 series flagged as "possibly inappropriate" on Youtube. The video can now only be viewed by people whose age on YouTube is asserted to be at least 18, and the video does not appear on the lonelygirl15 channel under "most viewed videos", thus limiting the number of views it now gets.

[[Category:Notable details]]

Million views

2009-06-17T13:01:03Z

Milowent: updating stats for In the Bedroom (over 15 million now) and First Blog (2 million)

[[Image:Screenshot-mostviewedvideos20080714.png|thumb|right|450px|Most viewed videos on lonelygirl15 channel as of July 14th, 2008]]

==If I Had A Million Views...==
Only a small number of [[Bree|lonelygirl15]] videos have reached over a million views on [[YouTube]]. The first video to be viewed over a million times was [[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]]. The next four were [[Swimming!]], [[House Arrest]], [[My First Kiss]] and [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]].

In April and May of 2007, [[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]] and [[Boy Problems...]] crossed the one million threshold. later that summer, the videos [[The Unthinkable Happened]] and [[Lonelygirl15 Season 1 Recap]] hit the one million mark in June and August respectively. A few months later, [[I'm Really, Really, Really Excited!]] followed.

On January 21st, 2008, [[Girl Tied Up]] crossed the 1 million threshold, in an astonishing four days after its release. A month later, on February 20th, 2008, [[4 Girls, 2 Guys]] became the twelfth video to enter the club. The following month on March 12th, 2008 [[In the Bedroom]] accumulated its first 1 million views in a little over four days, following in the footsteps of Girl Tied Up. The next video to reach the accomplishment, [[Spicing Things Up]], came a mere three days later on March 15th, 2008. On May 16, 2008, [[Booby Trap?]] became the fifteenth video to join the million view club, only two days after its release, breaking the four-day record previously set by Girl Tied Up. On August 14, 2008, [[Beach Party]] became the first video to hit the million view mark since the show finale.
[[Spanish Princess]], [[Truth Or Dare]] and [[Watch This!]] have all since surpassed the million view mark, as well. As of May 28, 2009, [[At the Beach]] and [[Drawing in Bed]] had also surpassed one million views.

===Other Accounts===
Only videos on the lonelygirl15 YouTube account have approached these numbers. As of March 2009, the highest view count of a video on another account is [[Taylor]]'s [[Sluttiness Prevails]] with over 500,000 views.

==Multi-Million Views==
'''Two Million'''
*On January 20th, 2008, [[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]] was the first lg15 video to exceed two million views.
*On June 16, 2009, the third anniversary of its release, [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]] reached two million views.

'''Three Million'''
*[[Spicing Things Up]] surpassed the milestone on March 26th, 2009.
*[[4 Girls, 2 Guys]] attained in excess of 3.1 million views as of May 28, 2009. It reached two million views in November, 2008.

'''Four Million'''
*[[My First Kiss]] has over 4.1 million views as of May 28, 2009. It reached three million views on December 2, 2008.

==Most Watched Videos ''Ever''==
As of June 12, 2009, [[In the Bedroom]] was the most watched lonelygirl5 video of all time, with over 15 million views, having eclipsed long-time title holder [[Girl Tied Up]] in May 2009.

In the Bedroom reached two million views on March 24, 2008, and it was the second video to ever reach three million views on April 4, 2008. It reached 10 million views on February 13, 2009, 14 million views on June 1, 2009, and 15 million views on approximately June 12, 2009.

[[Image:GTU - Graph.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Girl Tied Up, once the most watched video ever . . .]]
From January 26, 2008 through sometime in May 2009, [[Girl Tied Up]] ranked as the most viewed lonelygirl15 video of all time. It reached the one million mark on January 21st, 2008, the two million mark on January 26th, the three million mark on January 29th, the four million mark on February 1st, the five million mark on February 9th, the six million mark on February 11th, the seven million mark on February 17th, the eight million mark on March 1st, the nine million mark on April 1st, 2008, and the ten million mark as of May 8, 2008. As of March 5, 2009, it had exceeded thirteen million views, and 14 million on June 1, 2009. It was the fastest video by far to reach each million view count threshold, aside from Booby Trap's attainment of one million views in only two days.

[[In the Bedroom]] eventually overtook Girl Tied Up in views because, as of August 6, 2008, Girl Tied Up was the only known video in the lonelygirl15 series flagged as "possibly inappropriate" on Youtube. The video can now only be viewed by people whose age on YouTube is asserted to be at least 18, and the video does not appear on the lonelygirl15 channel under "most viewed videos", thus limiting the number of views it now gets.

[[Category:Notable details]]

Talk:Clipta

2009-06-17T03:32:16Z

Milowent: This article should be deleted as spammy!

This article appears to be spam and should be speedily deleted! --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 03:32, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

The Deacons (commenter)

2009-06-17T03:30:28Z

Milowent: Undo revision 161646 by 194.8.75.200 (Talk) - undo vandal bot edit.

{{cleanup}}
{{One other use|the [[LG15 Spin-offs|fanfiction]] [[comment board]] user that posts under the name "The Deacons" and more recently, "Deacons"|the Deacons of [[the Order]] as portrayed in the series|The Deacons}}

==Introduction==
'''"The Deacons"''' began posting in the [[comment board]] on the Lonelygirl15 website after the video [[Life's Not Fair]]. Their messages mainly warn Bree of the consequences of her running away, and beseech her to return to them. They've replied to [[Daniel]] and [[Gemma]] videos as well. At times their posts have been on the mark, leading some users to believe that they might be canon. However, their often contradictory posts, as well as their unfulfilled offer of a video from her parents, have shown them to be fanfiction. Also notable is that when "The Deacons" began posting, usernames were not fixed, which led to several unrelated people posting under the same name. When the member directory was created, "The Deacons" began posting as "Deacons", even though the usernames "The Deacons" and "TheDeacons" were listed. This ocurrence also pointed to fanfiction, as the Creators would surely have taken steps to protect "The Deacons" username if they indeed were using it.

==Marcus==
'''Marcus''' is the self-confessed puppet master of [[The Deacons (commenter)]] spin-off and ARG.

He came forward after much suspicion from followers of the game, having single-handedly retrieved two drops from the game.

Before revealing himself, Marcus was an avid poster who seemed to love the puzzle portions of the Deacons game and was also a staunch supporter of their credibility, citing the accuracy at their posts.

==The posts==
This article includes images of The Deacons' posts when possible. Since they have been prolific in their commentary, sometimes there are too many posts after a certain video, or they may be too long for complete inclusion. Links to the entire post are provided when available. Not all posts by users claiming to be "The Deacons" are discussed. Before the member directory, anybody who wished to post as "The Deacons" were able to, so judgment calls will be made as to what does and does not constitute a legitimate "The Deacons" fanfic comment.

===Life's Not Fair===
After the video [[Life's Not Fair]] a [[Lonelygirl15]] comments board user by the name of "The Deacons" began the first of a series of comments. The content of the post is featured below.

[[Image:Life's Not Fair Deacons post.jpg]]

'''Key terms:'''
*اوريم وتميم - Arabic for Urim and Thummin which is Latin for "Light and Truth"<ref>{{wikipedia|Urim_and_Thummim|Wikipedia article on Urim and Thummin}}</ref>
*Moroni - Moroni is an angel described in the Book of Mormon. He brought the gospel of the Book of Mormon to the founder of the Mormon church.<ref>{{wikipedia|Moroni_%28prophet%29|Wikipedia article on Moroni}}</ref>

The Deacons did not post again until Gemma's [[Learning Egyptian]] video.

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=95&play=1&more=1#comment-10510 Link to comment]

===Learning Egyptian===
Following the [[Learning Egyptian]] video, The Deacons returned and posted another comment.

[[Image: The deacons nov10.jpg]]

'''Key terms:'''
*Ascend/Ascension - has a number of meanings that might apply. "Ascension" can have astrological significance, or it can refer to a person's ascending to Heaven, escaping the physical plane, or achieving enlightenment.<ref>{{wikipedia|Ascension_%28disambiguation%29|Wikipedia disambiguation page for "Ascension"}}</ref>
*Nechemya - Nehemiah was a person in the Bible, believed to be the primary author of the Book of Nehemiah. He was the son of Hachaliah (Neh. 1:1), and probably of the Tribe of Judah. His family must have lived in Jerusalem (Neh. 2:3).<ref>{{wikipedia|Nechemya|Wikipedia article on Nechemya}}</ref>

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=100&play=1&more=1#comment-13635 Link to comment]

===Exploring The Motel===
The Deacons did not post again until [[Exploring The Motel]].

[[Image: The deacons exp.jpg]]

'''Key terms:'''
*Asmodai - semi-Biblical demon mostly known thanks to the deuterocanonical Book of Tobit; he is also mentioned in some Talmudic legends and in demonology, as he is a leading figure in the construction efforts of the Temple of Solomon. Asmodai is one of the Four Princes of Hell, specifically the reigning prince over the Eastern Regions.<ref>{{wikipedia|Asmodai|Wikipedia article on Asmodai}}</ref>
*Sonneillon - an angel of the Sixth Order, said to be the Angel of Hate.<ref>{{wikipedia|Thrones|Wikipedia article on Thrones}}</ref><ref>{{wikipedia|Sonneillon|Wikipedia article on Sonneillon}}</ref>
*Pseudomonarchia Daemonum - the Hierarchy of Demons as stated in Johann Weyer's ''De praestigiis daemonum''.<ref>{{wikipedia|Pseudomonarchia_Daemonum|Wikipedia article on Pseudomonarchia Daemonum}}</ref>
*Origenes Adamantius - early Christian scholar, theologian, and distinguished early father of the Christian Church.<ref>{{wikipedia|Origenes_Adamantius|Wikipedia article on Origenes Adamantius}}</ref>
*Sariel - According to the Book of Enoch, Sariel was one of the leaders of angels who lusted after the daughters of men.<ref name="Sariel">{{wikipedia|Sariel|Wikipedia article on Sariel}}</ref>

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=103&play=1&more=1#comment-13824 Link to comment]

===Someone's Following You===
[[Image:The Deacons Someone's Following You.gif]]

'''Key terms:'''
*Grigori - group of fallen angels told of in Biblical apocrypha who mated with mortal women, giving rise to a race of hybrids known as the Nephilim and described as Giants in Genesis 6:4. Also known as "Watchers" (from Greek egrḗgoroi), the Grigori appear in the books of Enoch and Jubilees.<ref name="Grigori">{{wikipedia|Grigori|Wikipedia article on Grigori}}</ref>
*שמיחזה - Samyaza - a fallen angel of Christian tradition that ranked in the heavenly hierarchy as the leader of the Grigori (meaning "Watchers" in Greek).<ref>{{wikipedia|Samyaza|Wikipedia article on Samyaza}}</ref><ref name=Grigori/>
*Watcher - synonymous to Grigori
*Paimon - In demonology, Paimon is one of the Kings of Hell, more obedient to Lucifer than other kings are, and has two hundred (one hundred to other authors) legions of demons under his rule.<ref>{{wikipedia|Paimon|Wikipedia article on Paimon}}</ref>
*Location 33n57, 117w24
*Independent Order of Odd Fellows - a fraternal organization derived from English Oddfellows orders of the mid-1700s.<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Order_of_Odd_Fellows Wikipedia article on the Independent Order of Odd Fellows</ref>
*Location 32n43, 117w09 - San Diego, California, USA
*Grottoes of North America - The Grotto is a colloquialism for the Mystic Order of Veiled Prophets of the Enchanted Realm, an order appendant to Freemasonry.<ref>{{wikipedia|Grotto_%28disambiguation%29|Wikipedia "Grotto" disambiguation page}}</ref> Alternatively, "Grotto" may be any type of natural or artificial cave that is associated with modern, historic or prehistoric use by humans. When it is not an artificial garden feature, a grotto is often a small cave near water and often flooded or liable to flood at high tide.<ref>{{wikipedia|Grotto|Wikipedia article on Grotto}}</ref>
*Azazel - enigmatic name from the Hebrew scriptures, possibly referring to a fallen angel or Satan.<ref>{{wikipedia|Azazel|Wikipedia article on Azazel}}</ref>
*Nephilim - from Hebrew, meaning ''those who cause others to fall'', nephilim are a people created by the crossbreeding of Grigori and mortal women. The term is loosely translated as "giants" and "titans" in some translations of the Bible.<ref>{{wikipedia|Nephilim|Wikipedia article on Nephilim}}</ref>

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=107&play=1&more=1#comment-15350 Link to comment]

===Man In The Suit===
In the [[Man In The Suit]], the Deacons posted

[[Image: Mits deacons.jpg]]

'''Key terms:'''
*Liturgy of Amon-Ra - Amon-Ra was an Egyptian god initially known as Amun. Amun was the air god, associated with the breath of life. As the popularity of Amun grew, he became known as Amun-Ra and represented the hidden aspect of the sun<ref>{{wikipedia|Amon-ra|Wikipedia article on Amon-Ra}}</ref>
*Yomyael - according to the Book of Enoch, another leader of the Grigori.<ref name=Grigori/><ref>{{wikipedia|Yomyael|Wikipedia article on Yomyael (redirects to "Book of Enoch")}}</ref>

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=108&play=1&more=1#comment-15719 Link to comment]

===Fleeing The Watcher===
The Deacons did not post again until [[Fleeing The Watcher]].
Following [[Fleeing The Watcher]], [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=111&play=1&more=1#comment-16513 The Deacons posted another message.]

[[Image:Ftw deacons.jpg]]

'''Key terms:'''
*Worshipful Master - presiding officer of a Craft or Blue Lodge of [[Freemasonry|Freemasons]]<ref>{{wikipedia|Worshipful_Master|Wikipedia article on Worshipful Master}}</ref>
*Volume of the Sacred Law - in [[Freemasonry]] the Volume of the Sacred Law is always displayed in an open Lodge. It can be whatever religious text that lodge chooses to display.<ref>{{wikipedia|Freemasonry|Wikipedia article on Freemasonry}}</ref><ref>LGPedia article on [[Freemasonry]]</ref>

===Survival Skills===
*Member directory was in place. Began posting as "Deacons".
[[Image:Survival Skills Deacons post.JPG]]

'''Key terms:'''
*Manteuomai - transliteration of ''manteuvomai'', meaning "to act as a seer, deliver a prophecy, divine."<ref>[http://bible.lightsource.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3132&version=kjv Definition of "manteuomai" from lightsource.com]</ref>
*Galatians - likely refers to Saint Paul's Epistle to the Galatians, a book from the New Testament.<ref>{{wikipedia|Epistle_to_the_Galatians|Wikipedia article on the Epistle to the Galatians}}</ref>
*Assembly of the Sacred Wheel - a legally recognized Wiccan non-profit religious organization based in the Mid-Atlantic region. It has 6 covens, one of which might be in operation in the area that The Deacons are instructing Bree to seek.<ref>[http://www.sacredwheel.org/ Assembly of the Sacred Wheel official website, sacredwheel.org]</ref>
*זהריןאל - Sariel (in Aramaic)<ref name=Sariel/>
*Location 33n57,117w24

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=114&play=1&more=1#comment-17064 Link to comment]

===Jonas?===
The Deacons did not post again until [[Jonas?]].

'''Key terms:'''
*Yale's Coat of Arms - The coat of arms of Yale University has the motto "Light and Truth" (in Hebrew) on it. This also translates to "Urim and Thummin", which is the name the Deacons have been using for [[Bree]]. Their mention of Yale's coat of arms might be symbolic of Bree.<ref>{{wikipedia|Yale|Wikipedia article on Yale}}</ref>
*Zephaniah - prophet whose work (''The Book of Zephaniah'') focuses on the day of the Lord and the judgement of God on the entire world.<ref>{{wikipedia|Zephaniah|Wikipedia article on Zephaniah}}.</ref>

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=123&play=1&more=1#comment-20506 Link to comment]

===Homeless===

[[Image:H deacons.jpg]]

'''Key terms:'''
*Pinpoint micro asset tracker
*Location 34° 1′3.35″N 118°28′34.68″W -The coordinates are for Woodlawn Memorial Cemetery in Santa Monica. Address: 1847 14th Street, Santa Monica, CA.

'''Notes:'''

The Deacons' mention of Jonas as Samyaza created some confusion because previously they said the Watcher's name was Samyaza (see the [[The Deacons (commenter)#Fleeing The Watcher|Fleeing The Watcher section]] of this article). "We know that the watcher's name is שמיחזה."

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=125&play=1&more=1#comment-20952 Link to comment]

===The Test===

[[Image:The Test Deacons post.JPG]]

'''Key terms:'''
*Location 33.595925-117.587665
*Aleister Crowley
*Masons
*Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=129&play=1&more=1#comment-23245 Deacons posted]

===Back Home===

[[Image:Back Home Deacons post.JPG]]

*Asakku
*Fires of Molech
*Novus Ordem Seclorum

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=131&play=1&more=1#comment-25528 Deacons posted]

===Gemma, Who Are You?===

[[Image:Gemma Who Are You Deacons post.JPG]]

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=133&play=1&more=1#comment-26912 Deacons posted]

===Skateboarding===

[[Image:Skateboarding Deacons post.JPG]]

'''Key terms:'''
*Double ouroboros
*Genome
*Star of David
*The Cross
*Swastika
*ankh
*HGT
*lytic transformation

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=138&play=1&more=1#comment-31573 Deacons posted]

===Purple Monkey Returns===

[[Image:PMonkey Returns Deacons post.JPG]]

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=148&play=1&more=1#comment-42447 Deacons posted]

===Bree And I Hooked Up===

[[Image:Bree and I Hooked Up Deacons post.JPG]]

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=151&play=1&more=1#comment-44797 Deacons posted]

===Truth or Dare===

[[Image:Truth Or Dare Deacons post.JPG]]]

'''Translation:'''

Thank you for the posted information. They do not suspect a thing. We have the location. The time is soon. For now continue to watch. You have done the Order well.

'''Notes:'''
*Though this post greatly varies from the usual writing style of the Deacons, it's certain that this is authentic since at the time of this post, the member directory was in place.

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=154&play=1&more=1#comment-46630 Link to comment]

A regular of the [[comment board]] named [[Marcus]] has recovered several drops left by the commenter the Deacons.

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

[[Category:Community content]]

Breeniversisms

2009-06-04T17:09:03Z

Milowent: adding Creataroos

This page is dedicated to cataloging unusual Expressions, Acronyms, Terms, Phrases or Things found in the [[Breeniverse]].

{| align=center border=2 class="sortable"
|-
! style="background:#1E5DAA"|Breeniversism
! style="background:#1E5DAA"|Meaning
! style="background:#1E5DAA"|First Used, Links
|-
|24 videos in 24 hours™
|The fan-generated idea that eventually led to the [[12 in 12]] concept, as [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?p=306103#306103 discussed here] on the forum. The Lonelygirl15 [[lonelygirl15 Season One Finale]] in August 2007 included [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=List_of_Lonelygirl15_videos/Season_1#Season_Finale 12 videos]in roughly 12 hours, billed as "[[12 in 12]]."
|March 2007, QtheC in [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=198&play=1&more=1#comment-65477 Comment 230]on [[Is He Out There?]]
|-
|[[436]]
|Something which does not exist such as the original comment by Joe "This comment is private ... Under no circumstances should you ever acknowledge that this comment even exists, because it doesn’t." See also: [[437]]
|March 2007, Joe's [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=214&play=1&more=1#comment-75099 Comment 437]on [[Vegas, Baby!]]
|-
|8 Minutes
|An anomaly in the experience of the passage of time by a number of commenters mysteriously absent from lonelygirl15.com for several days, possibly caused by Joe's Universal Time Zone experiments, held within the 436
|June 2007, [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2007/06/dont-mess-with-time-zone.html Brooklynxman comments], also [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2007/06/inside-436.html Inside 436? on LG15 Today]
|-
|awesomesauce!
|An exclamation of approval, often used by or about [[Marlasinger]], who is the likely (but unconfirmed) originator.
|first use is unknown, but this July 2007 video by [[Marlasinger]] is titled {{youtube|CsC-WjvlyYg|Awesomesauce}}
|-
|[[TAAG|BDJ or BD&J]]
|Bree, Daniel, and Jonas. For instance, Nikki Bower uses this term in [[School's In Session! - NBR Investigates]]
|first use, links needed
|-
|[[Bonas]]
|Bree + Jonas courtship
|June 2007, [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=266&play=1&more=1#comment-121687 alexsfruitcakemommy on comments]
|-
|[[Breeniverse]]
|Everything associated with the Lonelygirl15 story
|August 2006
|-
|[[Breeniversisms]]
|Unusual Expressions, Acronyms, Terms, Phrases or Things found in the [[Breeniverse]].
|June 2007, [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2007/06/collecting-breeniversisms.html QtheC on LG15 Today]
|-
|Breeny snack
|The [[Breeniverse]] equivalent of a Scooby snack, a reward for [[The Danielbeast|Danielbeast]].
|April 2007, QtheC lyrics on [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2007/04/i-want-my-nikki-b.html LG15 Today]
|-
|Bundt cake
|One of the official snacks of the LG [[Defense force]], often served with Grape Nehi.
|December 2006, krig's [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=125&play=1&more=1#comment-21545 Comment 711] to Marbella while planning for a Lonelycrack support group meeting with Dream on [[Homeless]]
|-
|-
|cassieisdrinkingslurpees
|Long strings of words without spaces beginning with "cassieis..." such as cassieiscommenting or cassieisdoingsomethingthatishardtoreadwithoutspaces
|March 2007, [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2007/03/warning-cassieiscommenting.html OpLadybug fan video on LG15 Today]
|-
|CiW
|[[Cassieiswatching]], a fan created ARG based on a friend Bree mentions in [[Swimming!]].
|September 2006, fan video [[This Is My Story Now]]
|-
|[[The Creators]]
|[[The Creators]] of Lonelygirl15: [[Miles Beckett]], [[Mesh Flinders]], [[Greg Goodfried]], and [[Amanda Goodfried]] whose identites were secret when the series began.
|September 2006, [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=63 Forums Profile]and [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?page_id=113&member=8 Member Profile]on Lonelygirl15.com
|-
|Creataroos
|The Australian creators of [[TSIY_Portal:LG15:_The_Last|LG15:The Last]]
|Feb. 27, 2009, by [http://www.lg15.com/user_profile/view/10037 Toad] on [http://www.lg15.com/bbsposts/list/27/81/747/4 the comment board].
|-
|[[The Danielbeast|Danielbeast]]
|[[Bree]]'s nickname for [[Daniel]], "kinda like an abominable snowman. He doesn't like to be on camera," first seen in [[The Danielbeast]].
|June 2006
|-
|De-slurpee
|the process of deprogramming Bree begun in [[Bedside Manner]] after her brainwashing by the [[Hymn of One]]
|June 2007, [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2007/06/today-on-lg15_06.html GF on LG15 Today]
|-
|"eye less than three female sheep"
|Joe's comments page parser acceptable way of typing "I <3 You" or "I heart you."
|April 2007, Joe in [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=224&play=1&more=1#comment-86178 Comment 955]on [[Confrontation]].
|-
|FFFFIIIIRRRRSSSSTTTT!!!!
|Celebration of the competition to post the first comment on each new video
|October 2006, [[General Firstsayer]]
|-
|FTM
|Meaning For the Meep, similar to FTW (for the win) but better because it contains MEEP!
|
|-
|[[Defense force#Grape Ape|Grape Ape]]
|The official mascot of the LG15 [[Defense force]]
|first use, links needed
|-
|[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/lgpedia/index.php?title=Defense_force#Grape_Nehi Grape nehi]
|Official beverage of the LG [[Defense force]], often served with bundt cake
|December 2006 (or earlier), (see [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/lgpedia/index.php?search=grape+nehi&fulltext=Search Grape nehi on LGPedia])
|-
|The Great War
|Now largely smoothed over, it described differences that arose in 2007 between those who prefer the lg15.com [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum Forum], and those who prefer using the [[Comment board]].
|first use, links needed
|-
|Guerrilla Meeping
|When a group of people post comments relentlessly on a video to get it on the most discussed lists on YouTube. First begun by the "Red Army" for Redearth88 videos in late 2007. Also see "Meep".
|Oct. 22, 2007, by CuriousGeorge at Anchor Cove [http://forum.anchorcove.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=410&p=2003&hilit=meeping#p2003 comment] to [[Opportunity Crisis!]]
|-
|"HAPPY THOUGHTS"
|[[Comment board]] mantra to calm [[Defense force]] troops while under attack by trolls, particular favorite of rosieiswatching
|first use, links needed
|-
|HoO
|[[Hymn of One]], Bree's Religion as revealed in [[Losing My Religion]].
|April 2007, [http://www.hymnofone.org hymnofone.org]
|-
|Hymn-of-One-ish
|The after effects of [[Hymn of One]] brainwashing, a mental state displayed by Bree - seeming to hear music and hardly hear or recognize her friends.
|June 2007, Jonas describing Bree in [[Bedside Manner]]
|-
|[[L'care|l'care/le care]]
|1. The act of loving someone but being to afraid to tell them 2. One of the highest forms of affection a lonelycrack addict can express. Originated when Daniel tells Bree he "still l... cares" about her in [[Back Home]].
|December 2006, Brought to popularity by SaraMel15 and Elphielives.
|-
|Lonelycrack
|The addictive quality of Lonelygirl15 as [[LonelyCracks Anonymous#Definition|defined here]].
|November 2006, [[LonelyCracks Anonymous#First use of the word LonelyCrack|NAXAN on comments]]
|-
|Lonelycracker
|Subject addicted to [[LonelyCracks Anonymous#Definition|lonelycrack]].
|November 2006
|-
|Lonelyriot
|The threat of riot by commenters if a new video isn't posted in a timely fashion.
|October 1st, 2007, comment by [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=373&play=1&more=1#comment-179588 shadow of omega]
|-
|Lonelyrioters untie
|A call for impatient fans to join together and form a riot to protest the lack of a new video.
|October 1st, 2007, comment by [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=373&play=1&more=1#comment-179604 Tornadoallie]
|-
|"Long Live Comments!"
|Rally cry of [[Comment board]] supporters dating from the Great War
|first use, links needed
|-
|[[Defense force#The Mackerel|The Mackerel]]
|The official hallucination of the LG15 [[Defense force]]
|first use, links needed
|-
|Lurker Rule
|simply states that those people commenting frequently or not, need to "meep" every 10 minutes to let the comment boarders know they are ok, and have not been taken by The Order or other evil organizations. There is no need to "meep" after saying your goodbyes, for we will know you are ok and we will look forward to talking to you again!
|
|-
|Meep
|Non-specific word replacing anything else, expression of commenter's delight and free spirit
|December 2006, [[LonelyCracks Anonymous#*meeeeeeep* & Combined FFFIIIRRRSSTT!!!!1!1!meepage|Rebelgoddess & WatchingOne on comments]]
|-
|Meep Of The Day
|No specific meaning. (See Meep)
|First used by xsighxsighx or Nikki
|-
|Necro
|Comments page term for the forums on the Lonelygirl15 website
|first use, links needed
|-
|New Girl
|After [[Alex]] told Bree that the Order "has a new girl" in [[The Perfect Beach]], a [[List of New Girl Candidates]] emerged.
|April 2007
|-
|[[Orange slurpee]]
|Tool of the forces of evil, see [[Orange slurpee]] page for more info.
|November 2006
|-
|Perkyocracy
|A strange form of government (or social experiment) of and by and for the [[Comment board]] users, wherein everyone is absolutely equal and there are no moderators and yet [[Defense force#Comment Board co-Captains|Perky]] is the supreme authority, even over [[the Creators]].
|June 2007, QtheC in IRC chat
|-
|[[Phorum]]
|The original lonelygirl15.com forum, which lasted from July through early September 2006, and got its name from the "Phorum" software which powered it. Some old fans of the show still refer to the official forums by this spelling.
|July 2006, in the Phorum
|-
|Pink herring
|A character, word, text or graphic symbol that appears in a video and seems to have some significance to the plot, but then is never mentioned again. Examples; the Cowboy, longitude, the report found at Alex's cabin.
|Jan. 22, 2007, by CuriousGeorge in Anchor Cove [http://alissabrooke.proboards56.com/index.cgi?board=vid&action=display&thread=1169445607#1169513568 comment] to [[Hungover]]
|-
|[http://www.dragonsanddaffodils.com/images/GoldLeafArumChic2.JPG Plantcake]
|A term used within the theory that Jennie is a plant of the Order. Derived by PinkoLady from Stripped Smile's comment in the [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=16474&start=60 forum discussion] of [[What Have I Done?]] describing something as "icing on top of the 'Jennie is a plant' cake"
|March 2007, PinkoLady in the [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=16488&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30 forum discussion] of [[In the Bedroom]]
|-
|[[Defense force#Kaboom|Purple Kaboom]]
|The official cleaning product of the LG15 [[Defense force]]
|first use, links needed
|-
|Robot
|Internet lingo for "awesome hot aunt" as explained by [[Jackson Davis]] ([[Jonas]]) to [[Bitsie Tulloch]] (Aunt [[Alex]]) while pursuading her to continue with Lonelygirl15
|April 2007, QtheC in fan video [http://one.revver.com/watch/231060/flv/affiliate/78049 Acting for Pesos]
|-
|[[TAAG|Scoobies]]
|Bree, Daniel, and Jonas and anyone that travels with them.
|first use, links needed
|-
|Shawatcher
|Coined after the "Home Invasion" and "Shadow of Death" videos, in which it was difficult to tell whether various HoO/Order baddies were Watchers or Shadows.
|Suze900, [[The Children of Anchor Cove|Anchor Cove]] and the forums, September 2007.
|-
|Shimmy
|The Shimmy, also known as the "boob shake", is the official dance to be performed when a new video is wanted. Its first use as a new-video-dance is attributed to deviantmetztli, who even posted a video in YouTube performing a demonstration
|YouTube video censored due to copyright issues
|-
|Smad
|Describes the state of a lonelycrack user is in when they are having withdrawals when a new video is not posted.
|January 2007, Owned in [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=144&play=1&more=1#comment-38273 Comment 1938]on [[The Unthinkable Happened]]
|-
|Sooodeliciousawesome
|Sooodeliciousawesome is an adjective used to describe something that is very cool, delicious and awesome. Who could ask for anything better? It can be anything really. Use the word as often as you like in any situation. It was all about the Raspberry Lemonade Slurpee originally and so the word Sooodeliciousawesome was born! [http://www.bebo.com/sooodeliciousawesome]
|May 2nd, 2007 Betz28 [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=9679&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=e14dcbced2621764749076b9a680653a]
|-
|Songle
|Many definitions, see links
|first use, links needed (to comments)
|-
|STOT
|Suspect Traitor Of TAAG
|May 2008
|-
|[[Spin art]]
|Recreational activity of the Order, mentioned by Daniel in [[Miss Me?]].
|February 2007
|-
|[[TAAG]]
|Teen Angst Adventure Gang aka Bree, Daniel, and Jonas.
|http://lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=109&t=7866
|-
|"This place is deader than Bree's Dad."
|Joe's way of describing slow activity on the comment's page.
|April 2007, Joe in [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=233&play=1&more=1#comment-94610 Comment 518]on [[Sloppy Drunk]].
|-
|WHOA!
|A reaction to tasting Hershey's Ice Breakers Sours Gum, Lonelygirl15's first [[product placement]] in [[Truckstop Reunion]].
|March 2007
|}
[[Category:Fan stuff]]

Million views

2009-06-02T20:18:54Z

Milowent: in the bedroom - 14 million views.

[[Image:Screenshot-mostviewedvideos20080714.png|thumb|right|450px|Most viewed videos on lonelygirl15 channel as of July 14th, 2008]]

==If I Had A Million Views...==
Only a small number of [[Bree|lonelygirl15]] videos have reached over a million views on [[YouTube]]. The first video to be viewed over a million times was [[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]]. The next four were [[Swimming!]], [[House Arrest]], [[My First Kiss]] and [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]].

In April and May of 2007, [[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]] and [[Boy Problems...]] crossed the one million threshold. later that summer, the videos [[The Unthinkable Happened]] and [[Lonelygirl15 Season 1 Recap]] hit the one million mark in June and August respectively. A few months later, [[I'm Really, Really, Really Excited!]] followed.

On January 21st, 2008, [[Girl Tied Up]] crossed the 1 million threshold, in an astonishing four days after its release. A month later, on February 20th, 2008, [[4 Girls, 2 Guys]] became the twelfth video to enter the club. The following month on March 12th, 2008 [[In the Bedroom]] accumulated its first 1 million views in a little over four days, following in the footsteps of Girl Tied Up. The next video to reach the accomplishment, [[Spicing Things Up]], came a mere three days later on March 15th, 2008. On May 16, 2008, [[Booby Trap?]] became the fifteenth video to join the million view club, only two days after its release, breaking the four-day record previously set by Girl Tied Up. On August 14, 2008, [[Beach Party]] became the first video to hit the million view mark since the show finale.
[[Spanish Princess]], [[Truth Or Dare]] and [[Watch This!]] have all since surpassed the million view mark, as well. As of May 28, 2009, [[At the Beach]] and [[Drawing in Bed]] had also surpassed one million views.

===Other Accounts===
Only videos on the lonelygirl15 YouTube account have approached these numbers. As of March 2009, the highest view count of a video on another account is [[Taylor]]'s [[Sluttiness Prevails]] with over 500,000 views.

==Multi-Million Views==
'''Two Million'''
*On January 20th, 2008, [[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]] was the first lg15 video to exceed two million views.

'''Three Million'''
*[[Spicing Things Up]] surpassed the milestone on March 26th, 2009.
*[[4 Girls, 2 Guys]] attained in excess of 3.1 million views as of May 28, 2009. It reached two million views in November, 2008.

'''Four Million'''
*[[My First Kiss]] has over 4.1 million views as of May 28, 2009. It reached three million views on December 2, 2008.

==Most Watched Videos ''Ever''==
As of June 1, 2009, [[In the Bedroom]] was the most watched lonelygirl5 video of all time, with over 14 million views, eclipsing long-time title holder [[Girl Tied Up]]. In the Bedroom reached two million views on March 24, 2008, and on April 4th, 2008 it was the second video to ever reach three million views. It reached 10 million views on February 13, 2009, and 14 million views on June 1, 2009.

[[Image:GTU - Graph.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Girl Tied Up, the most watched video ever . . .]]
From January 26, 2008 through sometime in May 2009, [[Girl Tied Up]] ranked as the most viewed lonelygirl15 video of all time. It reached the one million mark on January 21st, 2008, the two million mark on January 26th, the three million mark on January 29th, the four million mark on February 1st, the five million mark on February 9th, the six million mark on February 11th, the seven million mark on February 17th, the eight million mark on March 1st, the nine million mark on April 1st, 2008, and the ten million mark as of May 8, 2008. As of March 5, 2009, it had exceeded thirteen million views, and 14 million on June 1, 2009. It was the fastest video by far to reach each million view count threshold, aside from Booby Trap's attainment of one million views in only two days.

[[In the Bedroom]] eventually overtook Girl Tied Up in views because, as of August 6, 2008, Girl Tied Up was the only known video in the lonelygirl15 series flagged as "possibly inappropriate" on Youtube. The video can now only be viewed by people whose age on YouTube is asserted to be at least 18, and the video does not appear on the lonelygirl15 channel under "most viewed videos", thus limiting the number of views it now gets.

[[Category:Notable details]]

In the Bedroom

2009-06-02T20:11:38Z

Milowent: /* Notes */ it hit 14 million views yesterday. amazing. according to tubemogul, it averages over 40K views A DAY

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| tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|danielbeast|jonastko|hymn of one|sarah}}


| execprod = Miles Beckett, Greg Goodfried, and Amanda Goodfried
| serprod = Amanda Goodfried
| directors = Marcello Daciano
| story = Jake Coburn
| vidplay = Ben Kruger
| camera = Kevin Schlanser
| editor = Matt Vanselow
| music supervisor = Seth Jacobs
| song =
| cast =
{{VidChar|Jonas}}
{{VidChar|Jennie}}
{{VidChar|Porter's Shadow|Lonelygirl15 cameos#Tom Snyder{{!}}Tom Snyder}}
{{VidChar|Sarah}}
{{VidChar|Daniel}}
{{VidChar|Gina}}

| Previous = What Have I Done?
| Next = At the Beach
| PreviousB = Out of Control
| NextB = Coffee and Donuts
}}
==Transcript==
(''Jonas is standing in the hallway.'')

'''Jonas:''' Okay, this is exactly the 12th time I've tried to wake Jennie up. (''Raises voice''.) I'm beginning to worry that maybe she's permanently fused to the mattress. (''Laughs''.) I'm coming in. (''Opens the door to reveal Jennie zipped up in a sleeping bag''.) Wow, weird. You know, I could've sworn there was somebody in here. (''Pushes down on the sleeping bag''.) Somebody was in here!

'''Jennie:''' (''Giggles''.) Stop it.

'''Jonas:''' Oh wait, I- (''Snaps his fingers''.) I almost think it was-- it was a girl. I don't know. I'm gonna have to put the camera down and figure this one out. (''Sets the camera down facing the sleeping bag''.) Phew. I'm just going to sit down. (''Sits on the cot next to Jennie''.) And I think that she was kinda cute. (''Pushes down repeatedly on Jennie and talks through his teeth''.) God, I wish I could remember her name, but I can't! I don't-

'''Jennie:''' Get off! (''Pushes Jonas to the floor''.)

'''Jonas:''' Ow! Whoa! Was there an earthquake? Well, maybe it was a ghost. (''Sings in a high-pitched voice and pokes Jennie''.)

'''Jennie:''' Oh, my God. (''Slaps Jonas's hand away''.) Seriously.

'''Jonas:''' All right, fine. But get up! (''Shoves Jennie's head and she laughs''.) Get up. Alright, I'm just gonna leave this camera in here, and, uh, see if we can get a clue. (''Jonas winks at the camera''.)

'''Jennie:''' No you're not.

'''Jonas:''' Huh? No, it's fine.

'''Jennie:''' Do not leave that camera in here.

'''Jonas:''' Oh. I won't. (''Zooms the camera on Jennie''.) I'm taking it with me right now...

'''Jennie:''' Seriously, that's not funny.

'''Jonas:''' Get up! Oh, but you know what? I am tired and I need to sit down and just take a break. (''Jonas sits down on Jennie''.)

'''Jennie:''' Ow! Jonas, get off.

'''Jonas:''' Oh, is that heavy? Oh, I didn't realize, I'm sorry. (''Gets up''.) All right. Wake up. I'll be back. (''Leaves''.)

'''Jennie:''' Hey. You know what? (''Uncovers herself''.) Seriously, I'm not wearing any clothes.

'''Jonas:''' Really? No, I don't believe you; let me see.

'''Jennie:''' Oh my god, you're such an ass.

(''Jennie pulls the covers back over her head. The closet door slides open, and Porter's Shadow creeps toward Jennie, but stops when a knock is heard at the door. He hides back inside the closet, and Jonas enters the room.'')

'''Jonas:''' Actually, I did leave the camera. (''Jennie laughs''.) Uh, I'm coming in, okay?

'''Jennie:''' Yeah.

'''Jonas:''' You're wearing clothes?

'''Jennie:''' Yeah.

'''Jonas:''' Darn it. (''Jennie laughs. Jonas walks over to the camera and covers Jennie in the sleeping bag''.)

'''Jennie:''' Oh my god...

'''Jonas:''' (''Picks up the camera''.) Wake up.

'''Jennie:''' Alright. Seriously, I'm definitely getting out of bed now.

(''Jonas looks at himself in the mirror on the closet door and fixes his hair. Cut to Jonas walking into the backyard. He opens slides open the screen door and shuts it behind himself''.)

'''Jonas:''' Not exactly the, uh, friendliest ghost in town.

'''Sarah:''' Well, maybe that's because it doesn't want to be bothered by Mr. Morning Guy, the smiling dork.

'''Jonas:''' (''Laughs sarcastically''.) Oh, yeah; that's really funny.

'''Jennie:''' JONAS!

'''Jonas:''' Jennie!

(''Jonas throws open the screen door and Jennie is seen running through the front door, followed by the Shadow. Jonas puts the camera down and runs out the door.'')

'''Jonas:''' Jennie!

(''A screeching sound is heard as Daniel grabs the camera, followed by a dull thud. Daniel rushes outside to find Jennie on the ground near the Shadow, who is lying on the ground. Jonas hugs Jennie as Daniel runs over''.)

'''Daniel:''' Oh my god! Jonas, is Jennie okay?

'''Jonas:''' It's okay; just relax.

(''Daniel gets a shot of the Shadow closeup, who has blood on his face and is unresponsive. Gina and Sarah run over''.)

'''Gina:''' Is he...?

'''Jonas:''' (''Holding Jennie''.) Yeah. This car, it just, uh- it just didn't stop.

==Notes==
*As of May 2009, In the Bedroom is the most viewed lonelygirl15 video of all time, with over 14 million views as of June 1, 2009. As of March 24th, 2009, In the Bedroom had accumulated eleven [[million views]]. It took 5 days from its release to break 1,000,000 views, almost matching [[Girl Tied Up]]'s record of 4 days.
*There is an unnatural inconsistency in the background noise when Jonas says "Really? Let me see!" It is most likely that TAAG increased the volume of the camera's audio track in order to pick up Jonas's off-camera comment when they edited the video before posting.
*Before the crash, Jennie & the Shadow exit the front door running right; when the viewer hears the crash, nothing passes the front door. When Daniel goes out the front door with the camera though, the site of the accident is on the left of the driveway; it would've been impossible for this to have happened without it being filmed by the camera through the living room and out the front door.
*This episode title is the same as the 2001 movie "{{imdb-movie|0247425|In the Bedroom}}"

Million views

2009-05-28T18:22:20Z

Milowent: updating

[[Image:Screenshot-mostviewedvideos20080714.png|thumb|right|450px|Most viewed videos on lonelygirl15 channel as of July 14th, 2008]]

==If I Had A Million Views...==
Only a small number of [[Bree|lonelygirl15]] videos have reached over a million views on [[YouTube]]. The first video to be viewed over a million times was [[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]]. The next four were [[Swimming!]], [[House Arrest]], [[My First Kiss]] and [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]].

In April and May of 2007, [[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]] and [[Boy Problems...]] crossed the one million threshold. later that summer, the videos [[The Unthinkable Happened]] and [[Lonelygirl15 Season 1 Recap]] hit the one million mark in June and August respectively. A few months later, [[I'm Really, Really, Really Excited!]] followed.

On January 21st, 2008, [[Girl Tied Up]] crossed the 1 million threshold, in an astonishing four days after its release. A month later, on February 20th, 2008, [[4 Girls, 2 Guys]] became the twelfth video to enter the club. The following month on March 12th, 2008 [[In the Bedroom]] accumulated its first 1 million views in a little over four days, following in the footsteps of Girl Tied Up. The next video to reach the accomplishment, [[Spicing Things Up]], came a mere three days later on March 15th, 2008. On May 16, 2008, [[Booby Trap?]] became the fifteenth video to join the million view club, only two days after its release, breaking the four-day record previously set by Girl Tied Up. On August 14, 2008, [[Beach Party]] became the first video to hit the million view mark since the show finale.
[[Spanish Princess]], [[Truth Or Dare]] and [[Watch This!]] have all since surpassed the million view mark, as well. As of May 28, 2009, [[At the Beach]] and [[Drawing in Bed]] had also surpassed one million views.

===Other Accounts===
Only videos on the lonelygirl15 YouTube account have approached these numbers. As of March 2009, the highest view count of a video on another account is [[Taylor]]'s [[Sluttiness Prevails]] with over 500,000 views.

==Multi-Million Views==
'''Two Million'''
*On January 20th, 2008, [[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]] was the first lg15 video to exceed two million views.

'''Three Million'''
*[[Spicing Things Up]] surpassed the milestone on March 26th, 2009.
*[[4 Girls, 2 Guys]] attained in excess of 3.1 million views as of May 28, 2009. It reached two million views in November, 2008.

'''Four Million'''
*[[My First Kiss]] has over 4.1 million views as of May 28, 2009. It reached three million views on December 2, 2008.

==Most Watched Videos ''Ever''==
As of May 2009, [[In the Bedroom]] became the most watched lonelygirl5 video of all time, with over 13.8 million views, eclipsing long-time title holder [[Girl Tied Up]]. On April 4th, 2008, it was the second video to reach three million views. It surpassed 10 million views on February 13, 2009.

[[Image:GTU - Graph.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Girl Tied Up, the most watched video ever . . .]]
From January 26, 2008 through sometime in May 2009, [[Girl Tied Up]] ranked as the most viewed lonelygirl15 video of all time. It reached the one million mark on January 21st, 2008, the two million mark on January 26th, the three million mark on January 29th, the four million mark on February 1st, the five million mark on February 9th, the six million mark on February 11th, the seven million mark on February 17th, the eight million mark on March 1st, the nine million mark on April 1st, 2008, and the ten million mark as of May 8, 2008. As of March 5, 2009, it had exceeded thirteen million views, and was holding steady with 13.1 million as of May 28, 2009. It was the fastest video by far to reach each million view count threshold, aside from Booby Trap's attainment of one million views in only two days.

[[In the Bedroom]] eventually overtook Girl Tied Up in views because, as of August 6, 2008, Girl Tied Up was the only known video in the lonelygirl15 series flagged as "possibly inappropriate" on Youtube. The video can now only be viewed by people whose age on YouTube is asserted to be at least 18, and the video does not appear on the lonelygirl15 channel under "most viewed videos", thus limiting the number of views it now gets.

[[Category:Notable details]]

In the Bedroom

2009-05-28T18:02:59Z

Milowent: updating to reflect most viewed status

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{{VidChar|Daniel}}
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| Previous = What Have I Done?
| Next = At the Beach
| PreviousB = Out of Control
| NextB = Coffee and Donuts
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==Transcript==
(''Jonas is standing in the hallway.'')

'''Jonas:''' Okay, this is exactly the 12th time I've tried to wake Jennie up. (''Raises voice''.) I'm beginning to worry that maybe she's permanently fused to the mattress. (''Laughs''.) I'm coming in. (''Opens the door to reveal Jennie zipped up in a sleeping bag''.) Wow, weird. You know, I could've sworn there was somebody in here. (''Pushes down on the sleeping bag''.) Somebody was in here!

'''Jennie:''' (''Giggles''.) Stop it.

'''Jonas:''' Oh wait, I- (''Snaps his fingers''.) I almost think it was-- it was a girl. I don't know. I'm gonna have to put the camera down and figure this one out. (''Sets the camera down facing the sleeping bag''.) Phew. I'm just going to sit down. (''Sits on the cot next to Jennie''.) And I think that she was kinda cute. (''Pushes down repeatedly on Jennie and talks through his teeth''.) God, I wish I could remember her name, but I can't! I don't-

'''Jennie:''' Get off! (''Pushes Jonas to the floor''.)

'''Jonas:''' Ow! Whoa! Was there an earthquake? Well, maybe it was a ghost. (''Sings in a high-pitched voice and pokes Jennie''.)

'''Jennie:''' Oh, my God. (''Slaps Jonas's hand away''.) Seriously.

'''Jonas:''' All right, fine. But get up! (''Shoves Jennie's head and she laughs''.) Get up. Alright, I'm just gonna leave this camera in here, and, uh, see if we can get a clue. (''Jonas winks at the camera''.)

'''Jennie:''' No you're not.

'''Jonas:''' Huh? No, it's fine.

'''Jennie:''' Do not leave that camera in here.

'''Jonas:''' Oh. I won't. (''Zooms the camera on Jennie''.) I'm taking it with me right now...

'''Jennie:''' Seriously, that's not funny.

'''Jonas:''' Get up! Oh, but you know what? I am tired and I need to sit down and just take a break. (''Jonas sits down on Jennie''.)

'''Jennie:''' Ow! Jonas, get off.

'''Jonas:''' Oh, is that heavy? Oh, I didn't realize, I'm sorry. (''Gets up''.) All right. Wake up. I'll be back. (''Leaves''.)

'''Jennie:''' Hey. You know what? (''Uncovers herself''.) Seriously, I'm not wearing any clothes.

'''Jonas:''' Really? No, I don't believe you; let me see.

'''Jennie:''' Oh my god, you're such an ass.

(''Jennie pulls the covers back over her head. The closet door slides open, and Porter's Shadow creeps toward Jennie, but stops when a knock is heard at the door. He hides back inside the closet, and Jonas enters the room.'')

'''Jonas:''' Actually, I did leave the camera. (''Jennie laughs''.) Uh, I'm coming in, okay?

'''Jennie:''' Yeah.

'''Jonas:''' You're wearing clothes?

'''Jennie:''' Yeah.

'''Jonas:''' Darn it. (''Jennie laughs. Jonas walks over to the camera and covers Jennie in the sleeping bag''.)

'''Jennie:''' Oh my god...

'''Jonas:''' (''Picks up the camera''.) Wake up.

'''Jennie:''' Alright. Seriously, I'm definitely getting out of bed now.

(''Jonas looks at himself in the mirror on the closet door and fixes his hair. Cut to Jonas walking into the backyard. He opens slides open the screen door and shuts it behind himself''.)

'''Jonas:''' Not exactly the, uh, friendliest ghost in town.

'''Sarah:''' Well, maybe that's because it doesn't want to be bothered by Mr. Morning Guy, the smiling dork.

'''Jonas:''' (''Laughs sarcastically''.) Oh, yeah; that's really funny.

'''Jennie:''' JONAS!

'''Jonas:''' Jennie!

(''Jonas throws open the screen door and Jennie is seen running through the front door, followed by the Shadow. Jonas puts the camera down and runs out the door.'')

'''Jonas:''' Jennie!

(''A screeching sound is heard as Daniel grabs the camera, followed by a dull thud. Daniel rushes outside to find Jennie on the ground near the Shadow, who is lying on the ground. Jonas hugs Jennie as Daniel runs over''.)

'''Daniel:''' Oh my god! Jonas, is Jennie okay?

'''Jonas:''' It's okay; just relax.

(''Daniel gets a shot of the Shadow closeup, who has blood on his face and is unresponsive. Gina and Sarah run over''.)

'''Gina:''' Is he...?

'''Jonas:''' (''Holding Jennie''.) Yeah. This car, it just, uh- it just didn't stop.

==Notes==
*As of May 2009, In the Bedroom is the most viewed lonelygirl15 video of all time, with over 13.8 million views as of May 28, 2009. As of March 24th, 2009, In the Bedroom had accumulated eleven [[million views]]. It took 5 days from its release to break 1,000,000 views, almost matching [[Girl Tied Up]]'s record of 4 days.
*There is an unnatural inconsistency in the background noise when Jonas says "Really? Let me see!" It is most likely that TAAG increased the volume of the camera's audio track in order to pick up Jonas's off-camera comment when they edited the video before posting.
*Before the crash, Jennie & the Shadow exit the front door running right; when the viewer hears the crash, nothing passes the front door. When Daniel goes out the front door with the camera though, the site of the accident is on the left of the driveway; it would've been impossible for this to have happened without it being filmed by the camera through the living room and out the front door.
*This episode title is the same as the 2001 movie "{{imdb-movie|0247425|In the Bedroom}}"

Girl Tied Up

2009-05-28T18:01:15Z

Milowent: updating to reflect that its no longer the most viewed of all time.

{{Blog
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| series = LG15
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| execprod = Miles Beckett, Greg Goodfried, and Amanda Goodfried
| serprod = Amanda Goodfried
| directors = Marcello Daciano
| story = Jake Coburn
| vidplay = Jake Coburn
| camera = Kevin Schlanser
| editor = Matt Vanselow
| music supervisor = Seth Jacobs

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{{VidChar|Dr. Calvin Hart}}

| Previous = Dangerous Territory!!!
| Next = Beer Bath

| PreviousB =
| NextB = Her Body, Her Blood
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| NextC =
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==Transcript==
(''The sound of a door opening and closing is heard. Lights flicker on to show Emma struggling to free herself from a gurney she has been strapped to. She begins to cry as she realizes she's stuck. Dr. Hart appears with a syringe and flicks it''.)

'''Emma:''' No! No-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no. Please. No-no-no-no-no-no-no-no! Please don't!

(''Emma yells out as Dr. Hart injects her with the serum. Her struggling stops and Dr. Hart puts his hand on her head as she appears to fall asleep. Dr. Hart pulls up a chair in front of the camera and sits down''.)

'''Dr. Hart:''' This message is to all of you out there calling me insane. (''Emma starts blinking in the background''.) I never had a choice! The ceremony's next week. And I couldn't lose [[Gina]]; I couldn't lose her. She's my best friend. My soul mate. My life wouldn't be worth living without her. [[Verdus Pharmaceuticals|Verdus]] made me a deal: Emma for Gina. One life for another, and save Gina. All [[the Order]] wants is the blood. [[Jonas]], [[Daniel]], I'm sorry. But if you understood everything, you would understand.

'''Emma:''' ''JONAS!!!!!''

==Notes==
*From January 26th, 2008 until sometime in May 2009, this was the most viewed lonelygirl15 video of all time. It took 4 days from its release to break 1,000,000 views, which was (by far) the fastest it had taken a video to exceed one [[million views]], until future Season 3 episode "Booby Trap" accumulated this milestone in only 2 days. It quickly accumulated numerous more million view benchmarks, and as of March 5th, 2009, it has over 13 million views. Sometime around May 2009, [[In the Bedroom]] surpassed Girl Tied Up as the most viewed lonelygirl15 video of all time, likely because Girl Tied Up's views slowed down (as compared to the also very popular In the Bedroom) after it became "flagged" for containing mature content on YouTube.
**Despite the large number of views, this video is one of the lowest rated videos of the entire series, presumably due to the misleading title.
*There was speculation that Emma's blinking pattern was some sort of morse code, which has since been disproven by a post on [[Katherine Pawlak]]'s MySpace blog:
:{{Quote|Katherine Pawlak|P.S. For those questioning on Youtube...yes I was purposely blinking like that through the whole video, and this was just a simple message from me to all of you thanking you for such great responses for my last vid...lol no hidden messages....but thanks for your concern....and of course I can not say what is going to happen....hehe sorry guys!!}}
*Despite the fact that the title and thumbnail of this video primarily appeal to a male audience, they were actually chosen by [[Amanda Goodfried]]. She is "quite proud" of its 12 million views. [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2008/07/chat-with-creators-is-nowlive.html]
*As of Wednesday, August 6, 2008, this video is now the only known video in the lonelygirl15 series [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2008/08/girl-tied-up-gets-flagged-on-youtube.html| flagged as "possibly inappropriate"] on [[Youtube]]. The video can now only be viewed by people whose age on YouTube is over 18.

LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony

2009-05-18T05:28:05Z

Milowent: /* Maddison Atkins */ in favor of maintaining the historical record in mutliple locations.

:'''''If you cannot access this page for whatever reason, please use [[LGPedia:Emma's Hideout]]'''''
[[Image:GustaveCailbotteThe Balcony1880-Cropped.jpg|left|thumb|150px|A couple of [[LGPedia]] admins ([[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] & [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]]) take a breather to admire the view from [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

[[Image:snowwhitebalcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|[[User:Zoey|Zoey]], one of your [[LGPedia]] admins, frolics with the doves on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

Welcome to '''Lucy's Balcony''', a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the [[LGPedia]]. This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns. To start a new thread, [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&action=edit&section=new click here]. Please remember to sign your posts by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end.

For old or inactive conversations, visit [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive|Lucy's archive]].

 

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==Character Pages Discussion==
''Okay, so there's been some talk as to the condition of the character pages we have here on the Pedia. Just bring everyone up to speed, here's what's been said so far:''

:Zoey, I've been pondering this for some time and thought I may as well ask you about it. Why is it that we do an entire "story so far" on every main character page? Wouldn't it be easier to just highlight the big stuff under "background" and pay more attention to keeping up the [[The Story So Far...]]. I mean, it just seems like our character pages are going to be so huge that no one will read the entire thing when we could be using the really good parts of each character background to make a really awesome page for our story so far, plus it would be less work for each character page and more people would actually edit our story so far page instead of it being left for months without any work done to it. I hope that all makes sense as now I'm looking at it and seems quite long, anyway, it's not that big of deal, just thought I'd throw that out there. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:20, 19 February 2008 (CST)

::I think you have a completely valid point. I've actually been pondering implimenting something to that effect for a long time. The only thing is, I couldn't figure out how to do up the characters' pages so that this would work. Do you have any ideas... maybe a mockup of a page idea so I (and others) can kind of get a better idea of what exactly you have in mind? I'd love to see it! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:55, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

:OK, this is proving harder than I had thought it would be. It's difficult to decide what to do with it. Maybe we should start a discussion or something to get other people's input because I really do think it would be better to have the character pages be shorter, but I don't know where to start! By the way I'm not going to be able to do quite as much editing as I have been because people at work are getting suspicious. :( [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:07, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

So yeah -- thoughts, people? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:38, 11 March 2008 (CDT)

Well, first I think we should get rid of any sections that are covered in other places (ie: Daniels relationship section and Jonas's fan activity section) and just put links to them at the bottom with the theory links. EDIT: I have made a fake Daniel page [[User:Nancypants/sandbox|here]] so if anyone has ideas please feel free to mess around and change things, it's just my sandbox. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:36, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

:Now that I've had time to look over the proposed page, I must say, I like it! - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 12:54, 12 April 2008 (CDT)

::I rather like the page too! I think it needs to be fleshed out in some parts (don't ask me where! if I could put my finger on it, I'd totally tell you! lol)... I just feel like it's a bit bare... but really... it's SO on the right track! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 11:03, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

:NOTE: Since Nancy seems to have taken a hike, I'm considering taking this up again. I think we're in desperate need for this kind of thing on some pages, especially as characters span series. If anyone has anything further to suggest on this, please do. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 08:14, 16 March 2009 (CDT)

== Admin ==

This probably isn't a good move, but I'd like to request a consideration of me being moved to admin. There are SO many changes that I'd like to see made to this wiki but I personally can't do anything as a regular editor. You can review my edits, etc. Just please think about it and get back to me here, anyone who could make that change. (Also, I was formerly [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] as well.) [[User:Kevin|Kevin]] 09:54, 16 January 2009 (CST)

== "Current shows, former shows" ==

Over on the sidebar, it has "Current shows: LG15: The Resistance", and "Former shows: lonelygirl15, KateModern." This obviously does not apply anymore. What it should say is:

*Upcoming Shows
**[[LG15: The Last]]
**[[Harper's Globe]]

*Current Shows
**[[N1ckola]]

*Former Shows
**[[lonelygirl15]]
**[[KateModern]]
**[[LG15: The Resistance]]

K, thanks! [[User:Kevin|Kevin]] 15:28, 12 February 2009 (CST)

Actually, it should be:

*Current Shows
**[[N1ckola]]

*On Hiatus
**[[LG15: The Resistance]]

*Upcoming Shows
**[[LG15: The Last]]
**[[Harper's Globe]]

*Former Shows
**[[lonelygirl15]]
**[[KateModern]]
--[[User:FH14|FH14]] 16:45, 12 February 2009 (EST)

==New Layouts (sort of)==
I'm creating this section to discuss all of the layouts on the Pedia, minus the Portals and main pages. Most layouts need some SERIOUS updating; they look like a rainbow threw up on them, and don't match anything. [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 08:03, 16 March 2009 (CDT)
===Character pages===
I designed a [[User:Shiori/Sandbox|new layout]] for the character pages. The only main differences are the edited Characterbox template to match the portal pages better (and unify font sizes and colors), and the abolition of those ''stupid'' stars on the page's subheaders. I'm open to suggestions, although I am rather fond of the way I set up the Characterbox template. [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 08:03, 16 March 2009 (CDT)
:I like them a lot. Though the images for the Supporting Characters seem really small to me... --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:42 16 March 2009
::I enlarged the images a bit; I can't make them ''too'' much bigger, since the main characters are supposed to have larger images, but it does look slightly better now. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 13:45, 16 March 2009 (CDT)
:::Looks good to me. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:50, 16 March 2009 (EST)

Now that we can do stuff logged in again, I'm going to wait for some more comments on this. If I don't hear any major complaints, and can't find any pages that would be severely harmed by the newly updated version of the template, I'll put it up some time next week. [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 13:51, 30 March 2009 (CDT)

== Creating Attention-grabbers page ==

Per the original discussion [[Talk:Use of sex in lonelygirl15#The Future of This Page|here]], Zoey acknowledged the fact that the Use of Sex page is rather long and unnecessary. In response, I half-heartedly suggested that the best way to alter the page would be to create a page listing ALL of the attention-grabbers the Cs have ever used in the various series.
The more I'm thinking about it, the more I think this was a good idea. Basically, I'm thinking of combining these pages into one: [[Use of sex in lonelygirl15]], [[The thumbnail trick]], [[Gunplay]], [[Four-letter words]], and a reference to [[Strange tags]]. (Jonas in a Bathtub should probably get added in to the sex information, too.)
Some other pages could be added into this page, but I figured I'd open it up to everyone before I do anything. [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 08:33, 16 March 2009 (CDT)
:I like the idea. Go for it and I'll help in whatever ways I'm needed. [[User:Kevin|  '''•Kevin•'''  ]] 20:17, 30 March 2009 (CDT)
::All done. I created the page [[Attention-grabbers used in LG15]], made it more general, and replaced all of the existing links to the pages I merged into it. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 19:44, 2 April 2009 (CDT)

== Final Community Content Suggestion ==

With the death of the ''previous two'' discussions on this subject, I bet everyone thought it would be left at that. However, I think we can all agree with Zoey's original opinion that something needs to be done to clean up existing content to get it to Pedia standards, as well as giving new series a guiding hand in how to cover their stuff on here.

So, I came up with some general guidelines, which are only slightly different than we had before, and yet vastly superior in ease of use and understanding.

===Community Video Series===
All series will be permitted one page. In order to have a page on the Pedia, the following information should be available: start date, URL where the series can be watched (only necessary for still-available series), and a short summary. These elements may be expanded upon, but generally these would be wanted for a page.
'''''A one-liner page will be subject to deletion if it offers no good information about the series and cannot be expanded.'''''

The series can have one of THREE classifications:
*'''Basic coverage''' - the default for all series. Series with this coverage are not allowed to have secondary pages for characters information, videos, or puzzles. (The sections other than video list are allowed, but must be on one page. There will be limitations on how much depth these can go into. Including a video list on a page will require an individual, or a group, to come forward as the official updater(s) of the page - for this coverage level ''only''.)
*'''Partially-full coverage (characters/videos/puzzles)''' - Series with this classification are allowed secondary pages for character information OR videos OR puzzles. (Two coverage categories are allowed, but all three is the same as full coverage.)
*'''Full coverage''' - Series with this classification are allowed to expand freely as their content maintainers deem necessary.

:'''Automatic Re-classification:'''
:#Series can be automatically re-classified if an element of the series is featured by the Creators. Only the element that was featured will be elevated, so, for instance, if a video is featured, the series will only be granted full coverage for the video section. (If only one video is featured, we may want to limit the transcribing to only that video; I haven't decided on this yet.) Featured content will get its own category.
:#Re-classification can also be automatic if an element of the series is shown as canon, as was the case with Paul & Andrea. Only parts shown as canon will be re-classified, although two or more sections being deemed canon will escalate to full coverage. (Paul & Andrea showed the videos and characters to be canon, so they would get full-coverage.) Canon content will be categorized as such.
:NOTE: In order to take advantage of automatic re-classification, a user must link to, or reference where the series was featured/canonized. If a link or reference is not provided, a discussion is the only way to get the series re-classified.

===Singular Videos===
All videos will be listed on a single page with a one-line description and a link to the video. If the video is featured or deemed canon, it will be allowed a page for its transcription and will categorized accordingly. Many of the same guidelines that would apply to series would apply to the individual videos, such as a minimum content requirement.

===General Notes===
*All UGC content will receive a box on their talk pages, describing what category they are (with a link to the descriptions of each), and the justification for it.
*Content can be escalated beyond what happens automatically, but a consensus is required to do so. There will be a discussion page for all UGC content for this purpose, and once a decision is reached, an archive of the discussion will be posted on the talk pages.
*A "starter template" will be created for both series pages and video pages, so we'll be able to unify the look of pages easier. I've created a preliminary idea of what the series template would look like [[User:Shiori/Template#New Sample Series Template|here]].
*Also pertinent to this discussion would be whether we want to officially rename the UGC category to something more acceptable, such as "Community Videos" and "Community Series" (with Series being a sub-category of Videos, and both remaining a sub-category of Fan Stuff)
*Another idea is whether we want to in some way differentiate series that relate to LG15, or go off in their own direction. I was thinking categorization may work, although even listing them in separate sections on the same listing could work, as well.
----
===Discussion===
Feel free to expand on these. They're just a preliminary drawing up, after seeing where people disagreed in the last discussions and trying to resolve those issues while still striving for better content coverage. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 13:18, 30 March 2009 (CDT)
:It's certainly thorough. I agree that something needs to be done, and the guidelines that have just been proposed are the most fair that have been... well, proposed. The major problem I'd like to address is something that Shiroi touched on in the guidelines, and that is incomplete pages. The purpose of this is not for content creators to get their work featured only for no one to update and maintain the area. Also, series's that deviate completely from the LG15 canon have no place on the LGPedia (a la ''Sofia's Diary'' and ''Forevergrace'') except for special circumstances (a la ''With the Angels''). --[[User:FH14|FH14]]15:15 30 March 2009 (EST)
::: One key factor is that anyone who wishes to mess with older series should invest the time to thoroughly research and view the entire series before moving stuff around. If you have not done that then you are not an authority on the subject and might do serious damage to LGPedia as an archive of valuable information in what you might think is an attempt to simply clean things up.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 14:06, 30 March 2009 (CDT)
::::mm has a serious point, as I didn't realize how involved HSA was until I got down into it. The real problem is some of the series are no longer available for whatever reason, and we're lacking contributors with knowledge on the subject. That's pretty much why I felt the need to make that long post on LG15 Today.
::::And, FH14, that was in my original proposal, but I didn't want to throw it out there without admin support, since that was never thoroughly discussed in the previous proposals. [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 14:31, 30 March 2009 (CDT)
:::::FH14 said "Also, series's that deviate completely from the LG15 canon" - That has just never been the way LGPedia or LG15.com has been run. It was always open to user generated content and none other then Miles Beckett encouraged us to create out own series. The TOS also has an entire section on what are called "indies" that have no relationship to the LG15 story. Fan creations have always been welcomed on LGPedia and to change that policy would not only violate the original intent but it would also destroy LGPedia. If you actually want to build up a user base you need to work with fans as contributers and creators in their own right. I think you have lost enough users by implementing very poor decisions. Do you really want to continue with that trend to oblivion?--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 15:56, 30 March 2009 (CDT)
::::::I'm afraid you misinterpreted what I said. Community Series that are considered "indie", such as the Coalition and Maddison Atkins, do not fall under the category of "deviating completely from the LG15 canon" There are elements, whether it be a strong connection to the community or a shared universe with a series that is heavily associated with LG15. There are some series, however, that have next to no relation to LG15 and shouldn't be covered, an example being Sofia's Diary, whose only connection is that it is another show hosted on Bebo. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 30 March 2009 (EST)
:::::::I don't see any problem with having a page for shows such ''With the Angels'' or ''3rd Triad'' since these are done by members of the community and contain actors that have been in lg15. As long as it is no more than a page with some information about it and who is in it for the purpose of establishing it isn't some show added to the pedia like ''Sofia's Diary'' without any connection. --[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 16:48, 30 March 2009 (CDT)
::::::::Just going to add my thoughts here as a regular LGPedia editor - I agree with most of Shiori's aforementioned guidelines. I'm kind of confused on a few things, however. First, which series would get the "partially-full" coverage, and what factors are we going to take into consideration while deciding which two of the three categories it receives? Also, with the partially-full coverage, does it get individual pages for its videos, or just a list of videos page? My own thoughts on that are that only the fully covered series should have character pages, video pages, puzzle pages, etc - that would include Redearth88, Maddison Atkins, and possibly LonelyJew15 since Jenni Powell is working on it, and she used to work for EQAL. And then everything else would either go into a single page or "partially-full" coverage, which I'm still not entirely sure about. Could someone digress about that? Also, shows like "With the Angels" and "3rd Triad" could receive a single page - where shows like "Sofia's Diary" and "OzGirl" would not even be covered on the Pedia. [[User:Kevin|  '''•Kevin•'''  ]] 18:03, 30 March 2009 (CDT)
:Here's how the "middle section" of the system would work (I moved this out, since the inlining would make it itty-bitty):
:'''Partially-full coverage''' (I only chose that name because partial coverage implied it was getting less than basic) means that it would be allowed to expand into more than one page for ''only the section it has been granted extra coverage for''. So, if something was given Partially-full coverage (video), then it would be allowed to have transcripts or whatever anyone feels would be necessary to do justice to giving it coverage on the video section. As I said, I'm not sure whether we would want one featured video to bump a series up to allowing transcripts for ''every'' video, but in general, that's how it would work. This is the reason I created the allowance for individual sections to be granted partially-full coverage: so that we can readily expand on one section of a series without necessarily granting it the right to expand in all areas.
:The categories it's allowed to expand come from either having a subject of that section featured by the C's (or based on a discussion specifically asking to expand a particular section for whatever reason). Like I said, we may want to lock it down so that if they feature a singular video, a full video list may be allowed, but only a transcript for that particular video would be allowed - I'm not sure of that, though. The same would apply for Characters or Puzzles.
:I mainly created the category because I can't think of a good justification for prohibiting a series from expanding something that was featured or made canon, just as I can't think of a good reason to say that any series that has been featured in any way should get full coverage for every aspect of the series. [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 08:14, 31 March 2009 (CDT)
::Sounds like a fair system that prevents the pedia from being cluttered with ever show. I have no objections. --[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 14:59, 2 April 2009 (CDT)
:::Since no one's had any objections to this, I'm going to try and flesh out the system and start tagging pages to fit the categories. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 12:46, 4 April 2009 (CDT)
::::Should we make templates for all three categories and then tag each UGC page accordingly? [[User:Kevin|  '''•Kevin•'''  ]] 14:39, 4 April 2009 (CDT)
:::::Actually, I was going to make a template similar the ones they use on talk pages for Wikipedia projects. You could enter what class it was, and unless you enter a class AND a justification, it gets a basic class setting. It'll also have an area to set main contributors. I had started coding it earlier today, and then my browser crashed. Now I'm being hailed by the husband to actually get off my butt for the weekend, but I'll take care of it later. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:19, 4 April 2009 (CDT)

Alright, here's how this is working, if anyone wants to help me out. I'm going through EVERYTHING listed in [[:Category:User Generated Content]], to make sure I catch everything.
#Tag content with {{tl|community content}}. (You may want to read the new pages about how I'm implementing it.)
##If it's content that was never featured or not part of a series with extended coverage, mark it for deletion. (Mark any images included on these pages for deletion, as well.)
##Videos that were featured are to be tagged as basic coverage, with a link to where they were featured. Also, add these to [[:Category:Featured content]]
##I'm basing ratings off of the old [[LGPedia:UGC Tier List]], but factoring in the new rating system - all tier 1 and 2s will get basic coverage, 3s and 4s will generally get partially-full; use your judgment.
#Add content to [[Community Content/Series]], [[Community Content/Videos]], or [[Community Content/Other]], based on what they are (other being things like commentors).
#Move content from [[:Category:User Generated Content]] to [[:Category:Community content]], with series being signified as such by going in [[:Category:Community series]].
We'll go through everything once we're done to figure out what meets coverage criteria. This is solely to get things tagged and worked on. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 10:02, 7 April 2009 (CDT)

'''Done.''' Everything's all moved around. FH14, if you want to start tagging stuff that's not LG15-related, you can do it now. Everyone, as much as I know you hate to hear it, his views about that kind of thing were come straight from the Creators. "Although we’re big fans of every great web series out there, because the LGPedia is dedicated to the LG15 Universe, it should only include information about shows in the LG15 Universe or featured on LG15.com." - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 12:09, 9 April 2009 (CDT)

:Okay, so I'm mainly working with the [[OpAphid ARG]], and I was just wondering (and this goes for all series that have full coverage) -- should it get a character page (I started working on a very rough one on [[OpAphid ARG characters]])? How about something like [[List of OpAphid ARG videos]]? [[OpAphid ARG locations]]? [[Redearth88 locations]], etc? [[User:Kevin|  '''•Kevin•'''  ]] 10:14, 11 April 2009 (CDT)

== News Page/New Discussion Areas ==

I know, I'm just full of suggestions lately. ;P This I've been sitting on for a while, but I didn't want to mention it until our login ability was back. This comes in two forms:
#Ren wants to create a news aggregator that could link all things new in the LG15 Universe, which includes the Pedia. However, he needs a singular page with some sort of tag signaling news headlines and whatnot to use. This would obviously get us more coverage everywhere, so it'd be a benefit to all. I'm thinking we'd want to cover major discussions and updates, such as redesigns. We wouldn't want to cover new videos (at least not using the tag Ren will use to pull out news items), as he will be pulling feeds directly from LG15.com. Any suggestions on how this would work, what to include, etc. would be much appreciated.
#Lucy's Balcony is a great place to list major suggestions, but other suggestions for updates really have no home other than on their articles' talk pages. I'm thinking we may want to create pages to list ALL discussions on proposed merges, deletions, what have you. Note: I am aware we have existing categories for these, but this would place the entire discussion for each in one area. It would be easier to look at a page listing all expansion/merge/etc. ideas in one place than trying to convince everyone to look at the teeny-tiny sidebar in Recent changes. We could obviously link to these pages from both there and here.
I'm not even sure if we'd want to do this, since it would be a major change in how we're programmed to do business on the Pedia, but it is something to ponder. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 13:27, 30 March 2009 (CDT)
:I love the first idea very much! Perhaps it could work as a supplement to the Main Page that is placed above the series' links. (Or perhaps a preview of a said page on the Main Page that links to a full page with all the said info.) The second idea is definitely something to consider, through it all depends on how that could be executed. --[[User:FH14|FH14]]

::The idea sounds interesting but whilst reading through the [http://www.lg15.com/info/terms/ legal terms] for lg15.com:

::Section 4, D:
"You agree not to use or launch any automated system, including without limitation, "robots," "spiders," or "offline readers," that accesses the Website in a manner that sends more request messages to the lonelygirl15 servers in a given period of time than a human can reasonably produce in the same period by using a conventional on-line web browser."

::Does this prevent this idea from being implemented since it will pull information from Eqal servers? --[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 16:41, 30 March 2009 (CDT)

:::That's quite interesting, KP - thanks for finding that. I'm not sure what that means for Ren's aggregator idea. About your other suggestion, Shiori, I agree that these things need to be on other places besides Recent changes, but how and where would we implement this? [[User:Kevin|  '''•Kevin•'''  ]] 18:05, 30 March 2009 (CDT)

::::For everything else I get so far, that is a decided '''no''', that license does not apply to my activities. For generating a feed from LGPedia's news, while I would not use pre-made RSS feeds as on the other sites, I would also not download and save the whole page, nor would I traverse the entire pedia. I would extract specific content from a singular page.
::::I don't know the exact timing, but I've used Yahoo! Pipes in the past to merge RSS feeds, and it took a noticeable while longer than direct feeds for the videos to appear - the number thrown around in comments on the web is 30 minutes. I believe that is not quicker than the average video-addicted comment boarder refreshes the video page ;)
::::In addition, I think you have the wrong license. [http://www.eqal.com/terms/ This one] is the one used on all of EQAL currently, through the link in the footer. I believe the only paragraph that even ''touches'' this project is 9., which, in my opinion, would be irrelevant, because I would not be "downloading" and "distributing" EQAL content, but content posted by "members" (you guys) - and since you guys would post news not only knowing full well I would aggregate them, but with the express purpose of that, there's really no surprise or violation of anyone's rights going on here.
::::I haven't themed it yet, but if you want a sneak preview, have a look [http://the436.com here].
::::It's already working fine, and focuses on LG15 and related stuff only (that is, it's not filled up with Harper's Globe).
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 00:32, 31 March 2009 (CDT)

==Maddison Atkins==
I thought I should open this up for discussion. Maddison Atkins recently got a spiffy new website which includes a wiki. Because of this, it may make the most sense to move the information regarding MA from here at the LGPedia to the wiki devoted to it on its official website, and in its place, leaving a single page explaining the series a la the [[Harper's Globe]] page. That said, I think the Redearth88 info should stay put for now. Here's basically my idea:
*A single page explaining the Maddison Atkins ARG.
*Pages in that section to keep:
**[[I Heard Pain, Odd Evil Fiction]] - Part of OpAphid
**[[Maddison Atkins]] - Character page, abeit compressed. This one is a bit iffy, because she is also mentioned as a background character in RE88.
**[[Gregory Atkins]] - Same logic as Maddison
**[[War Pylol]] - Part of OpAphid and RE88
**[[Dr. William Arscott]] - Same logic as Maddison and Gregory, but a bit more of a lean to keep.
**[[15over15]] - Really a RE88 character
Thoughts? Concerns? Suggestions? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:20, 3 May 2009 (EST)
:I like this idea. Should we start by making an HG-ish page for MA, under the name of [[Maddison Atkins ARG]], or something like that? [[User:Kevin|  '''•Kevin•'''  ]] 16:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Why not just leave things alone as they should be. They are fine as were. Why change what is not broken?.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 03:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:It doesn't make sense for identical information to be present in two places. The reason Harper's Globe isn't more present is because it has its own wiki. The information regarding Maddison Atkins would work better that the new wiki that has been made for it, and it doesn't make much sense to have two wikis containing the exact same information that would both need to be updated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 09:10, 14 May 2009 (EST)
::Also, to add upon what FH14 said, if we were to pick one wiki to have the Maddison information on it, it would be the Maddypedia - Jeromy created it to be the official Maddison wiki and it wouldn't make sense to have information on the LGPedia about Maddison but not on the official Maddypedia. I mean, the Maddypedia is on Maddison Atkins's official website. [[User:Kevin|  '''•Kevin•'''  ]] 20:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:::While I am not a very active participant in LGPedia anymore, so perhaps my word carries less weight now, but the fact that information is available in more than one place on the Internet is part of the strength of the Internet. The current Maddison Atkins section of the LGPedia is pretty comprehensive and complete and isn't hurting anything as far as I can tell. Plus, when there was an earlier brouhaha well over a year ago about which series were deserving of more attention on LGPedia, Maddy was near the top. Maddison Atkins is tied to Lonelygirl15, among other ways, through its connection to the lg15 community. In a few years from now, few will remember any of the shit we cared about as lg15 fans. But if we go about deleting parts of the lgpedia, it only helps ensure that those memories, as fleeting and inconsequential as they may be in the scheme of life, though deeply important to others as least for a period of time, are lost.--[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 05:28, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:ApotheosisAZ

2009-03-06T15:05:11Z

Milowent:

I'm very amenable to the fanfic page being edited. I appreciate Shiori taking the time to do so. I know that all the editors here are busy.

However, I humbly suggest that this page doesn't need more information about my series than an acronym...

If it isn't going to be allowed to remain the way I would prefer it, I'll just nominate it for deletion.

::Forgot to sign my earlier post[[User:ApotheosisAZ|Apo]] 03:13, 11 August 2008 (CDT)

:::Apo I would remind you that this is not a user page and the information does not belong to you and that acts such as repeated reverts..arbitrarary application of deletion tags..and blanking of the page could be considered vandalism. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 03:25, 11 August 2008 (CDT)

::::LGS422, I merely nominated the page for deletion. I didn't attempt to remove any content.[[User:ApotheosisAZ|Apo]] 03:31, 11 August 2008 (CDT)

:::::I understand sir..but I am just reminding you that its not actually your page..that would be your userpage...also..those deletion tags sure look like graffiti to me...I always thought graffiti was vandalism..but then..I thought this whole experience was about inclusion..what was I thinking..Stupid me..DOH...would calling myself stupid be considered name calling? --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 03:34, 11 August 2008 (CDT)

:::::'''STRONG KEEP''' if this is a deletion discussion, that's my vote. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:31, 11 August 2008 (CDT)

::::::I agree with Milo, especially since the fanfic revamp decided that the series was noteworthy enough to have its own page. That being said, it ''really'' needs to be expanded or I can't see how it would have a place on the Pedia. I for one, wouldn't like to be a n00blet pointed to what seems like a cool series only to find a virtually blank page with an acronym. If that's all you want on the page, we can just add that information to the community videos listing and do away with the page all together.
::::::So, if we're debating whether to delete the page, my vote depends on whether someone's going to expand the page or not. Milo's done well on that front, although it still should probably have some more info. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:38, 11 August 2008 (CDT)

::::: Even if the rest of the Pedia burns to the ground this page should remain. [[USer:Mathieas|Mathieas]] 03/09/09

::::: Keep it!!--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 23:17, 5 March 2009 (CST)

::::: '''STRONG DELETE.''' I know I opposed the deletion of this page in the past, but I must agree that under the new apparent lgpedia rules, this page has no place here. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 09:05, 6 March 2009 (CST)

Talk:April Fool's Day

2009-02-23T02:32:51Z

Milowent: hee hee

FH14- LOL, i'm impressed that the 2007 joke is memorialized! --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 20:32, 22 February 2009 (CST)

LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony

2009-01-07T05:42:24Z

Milowent: no drama necessary

{{pending discussion|Revamping FanFic|Character Pages Discussion}}
[[Image:GustaveCailbotteThe Balcony1880-Cropped.jpg|left|thumb|150px|A couple of [[LGPedia]] admins ([[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] & [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]]) take a breather to admire the view from [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

[[Image:snowwhitebalcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|[[User:Zoey|Zoey]], one of your [[LGPedia]] admins, frolics with the doves on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

Welcome to '''Lucy's Balcony''', a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the [[LGPedia]]. This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns. To start a new thread, [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&action=edit&section=new click here]. Please remember to sign your posts by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end.

For old or inactive conversations, visit [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive|Lucy's archive]].

 

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==Video Dates In Pages==

This is not a critical issue, but something worth discussion. At this point we are 18 months into the lg15 series. There are areas of Lg15 plot which were very important at certain points (like LaRezisto, or Gemma, or Tachyon), that later resolved or become less important. When viewing pages which discuss key character or plot issues (like Gemma, or Spencer, or the Order of Denderah, etc.), I myself find it useful to know when the videos about that subject were released, without having to click on every video link. I think in a chronological way. Thus, I sometimes put video dates into an lgpedia article to let readers easily know when something occurred in the context of the whole storyline. Like, for [[Ted McKinley]] i put it "He first appeared at the press conference filmed in [[What's Going on?]] (Oct. 19, 2007), where he helped ...". That way the reader easily knows, ok, this Ted guy is not relevant to the first year of the show.

We have no set convention for dealing with this issue that I am aware of, and wondered whether we should set one. I am not saying that every video link needs a date after it like a legal brief would cite cases, but there are articles where it would be useful. (For example, [[The order]] article has them; [[Emma]] does not). Even if we don't come up with any policy, I wanted to raise the issue for people to think about when editing. Thoughts? --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 08:19, 20 December 2007 (CST)

== Revamping FanFic ==
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===The "Plan"===
Right now, I think we are faced with a situation where the LGPedia has become overloaded with fan fiction pages and this is a problem. Now, don't get me wrong, I am absolutely '''not''' saying that fan fiction pages on the pedia are bad. Quite the opposite, I'm saying that I think they're good! But with the massive amounts of scattered info we have now, I think we are making it much harder for anyone to really understand what's going on. We also have a lot of extraneous pages, (like video transcripts for obscure series that do not add value to the section on that series) which ultimately only overwhelms anyone who comes here to learn more about a fanfic series.

So, what I propose is this. I think that we should do a massive cleanup of the fanfic section of the site. I think that instead of treating the section as a free-for-all, we should try to get some sort of streamlined guide to just how each series will be treated.

====The Types====
I think we should divide the fanfic up into five types as far as how we deal with them:

'''Type 1''' - These series get a single page similar to the current [[Lonelyjew15]] page. They consist of one page where all the information you'd need to get an understanding of the series is found. The main things that show up on these pages are '''plot summary''', '''character info''', and '''important links''' for watching and following the story more closely. There can be other sections, such as a "Notes" section, but mostly the pages should follow the same general format. The page will serve as a "run-down" to the series it covers.

'''Type 2''' - Unlike Type 1 series, Type 2 series will all be collected together on one massive page where each series will have its own description. Most of the time the descriptive info on these series is similar to what is contained in a Type 1 series, but to a lesser extent.

'''Type 3''' - Like with any rule, there can and probably will be exceptions. What would go on these pages would be determined on an "as needed" basis.

'''Type 4''' - This type covers any major relevant ARGs or series. Since series in this type tend to be complex, they often will require more than one page. [[Cassieiswatching]] and [[redearth88]] are great examples of this. Because of the large-scale undertaking of these series, this type will have to be admin approved before they can go forward.

'''Type 5''' - There are some series that simply don't belong on the LGPedia at all (adult film entertainment, anyone? :)). These ones do not need pages.

====Qualifying====
I think each series needs to be examined individually to determine where it best fits within the above types. A strong case should have to be made regarding why any particular series should receive a type of page. Some good reasons would be: number of subscribers, average number of views per video, notibility in the Breeniverse, and many more. Because of this, I believe we should evaluate each series independantly.

If the idea takes off, I'm happy to create a page where we can discuss statuses for each series. I'm not going to do that now though, because I want to make sure people are on board for the idea first.

Hopefully you guys like this idea, and hopefully you are on board with it! I truly believe it will do wonders for both getting more editors (who now mostly sit befuddled, wondering how to add such elaborate fanfic pages) and for getting new viewers for fanfic series, as viewers will be less confused when the content is laid out in a neat fashion. Please let me know what you think!!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:57, 21 December 2007 (CST)

===Comments===
:''Yes, I made a section for comments, this would be too confusing otherwise, lol. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:57, 21 December 2007 (CST)''
::Well, if there's one project to rocket us to 2008, it would be this. Everything above sounds like a great starting point. To clarify, videos ''must'' be fiction, yes, in order to qualify for the above types. They can't just be a LG/KM fan responding, commenting, or spoofing (of course, if they've made themselves into an in-universe fictional character then that's different). I don't know, I just get the feeling that we're going to have to be painstakenly detailed in our discussions in the matter :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:09, 21 December 2007 (CST)
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::Since I've been trying to get rid of the fan-series mess ever since I joined, I of course support this motion, but I'd like rules on series template creation to be included, i.e. whether your "Type 4" series should get their own blog- and other templates, or if they should use stuff like FakeBlog. I don't quite feel like eliminating another dozen uselessly created, outdated fan blog templates.
::It should also be possible to create a Template:FanCharBlock, that simply takes a page and styling options as arguments - so you'd have ''one'' fan-char-block template, and the contents would be located at pages like Redearth88/charblock.
::I do think your typification scale is counterintuitive, though - imo, it should be an ascending or descending scale, e.g.
::{|
!Level 0
|No pages
!or, alternatively,
|width="20"|
!Tier 1
|Full coverage
|-
!Level 1
|Single page, few information
!descending instead of
|
!Tier 2
|Tier 3 Exceptions
|-
!Level 2
|Single page, comprehensive information
!ascending
|
!Tier 3
|Single page, comprehensive information
|-
!Level 3
|Level 2 exceptions
|
|
!Tier 4
|Single page, few information
|-
!Level 4
|Full coverage
|
|
!Tier 5
|No pages
|}
::No matter how we name a series's grade, we have to find an acceptable way to rate them that doesn't look like pure arbitrariness to the community...something with hard data, like combined viewcount of the first twenty videos or something, with no chance to be selected before the series reaches at least twenty vids (unless it ends before that).
::Beyond that, I suggest creating a Portal:Community, or use the existing (unused and barely known) [[LGPedia:Community Portal]] page to create a portal similar to the series ones, which only reports about Tier 1/Level 5/Type 4 series - like new Redearth videos released, link to series mainpages and similar things.
::And more or less independent from that, the topic of spoofs that Pheon brought up is interesting...although I agree that mere replies should (of course) not be listed, certain spoofs should at least be collected on a central "LG15 Spoofs" page or something similar (or do we have something like that already?) - because especially milo's recent works are quite funny and deserve long-term exposure.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:07, 21 December 2007 (CST)

Let me just clarify, this discussion is JUST for fanfic SERIES and how they will be treated on the pedia. Any discussion about what to do about it after the fact is arbitrary at this point, as creating a portal cannot happen unless we have some sort of focus. If we want to create a portal, or any other means of featuring the fanfic AFTER THE FACT, that discussion should take place '''after the fact'''. So let's please not discuss that at this time.

Also, I agree that there are many notable spoof videos and other notable single videos. I don't really think we need to decide anything definite for that at the moment, because that's not really what this discussion is about. However, I think making a single page where we list all of the videos with some sort of description or whatnot would work. Really though, that's also something we can discuss after the fact if need be, and not what this discussion should focus on.

Thanks. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:47, 21 December 2007 (CST)

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Some quick points...

* I don't really get all this levels and tiers stuff. For one thing it does help new series. If someone starts a new series and wants to make character pages or transcript pages why should they be penalized from doing so just because they are new?

* Second "Fan Fiction" is a bad catch all category. The accepted industry related term is User Generated Content or (UGC), and while that applies to derivative series it doesn't apply to original series. The distinction in my mind being that a story be dependent on being a user of the site.

* I think you should really work with theCs and BK on this. There is a upcoming redesign that will effect UGC and the way it's presented and I assume terminology figures into that. I would think it would be logical tha the lgpedia be consistent with that.
--[[User:Immortal1|Immortal1]] 21:50, 21 December 2007 (CST)

:In reply to your points, in order:
:*The idea is not to "penalize" anybody. The idea is to keep the LGPedia clean. When a new series starts out, there is no sure-fire way of knowing how many hits they'll get, how notable they'll be, whether they'll even stick around, etc. Plenty of times we have people create something on the LGPedia when their series is new, and then stop adding things, which either leaves the burden of keeping a minor series up to date on the LGPedians, or leaves the LGPedia looking messy and incomplete, which is not "good for buisness," if you will. We have also had new series come on and create a lot of pages (some of whom eventually stopped, and the burden was shifted on to LGPedians, often me :() and then they decided they no longer wanted their pages on LGPedia, and asked us to delete all of that hard work. That just seems counter-productive. Instead, what makes sense, at least to me, is when a new series starts, their content can be featured on a smaller scale, and as they progress and we see what happens, we can easily promote the series to a higher level. There is ''nothing'' that says that the "level" or "tier" or whatever term we use is set in stone. Like I said, we are not looking to "penalize" anyone, but to keep things clean and effective from a Pedia standpoint.

:*The term "fan fiction" is used in this dicussion simply because it is what the "Category" on LGPedia is called and has been since... well, I'd say the dawn of time, but I'm not sure how accurate that is :P. Either way, it is used in this discussion for that reason, and not to disrespect any UGC or other content-creators.

:*Of course BK and the C's can be in on this discussion. But I wanted to bring it to LGPedia first, as this is, after all, a community site, and when I present the thoughts to BK/C's, I figured it is best to have a solid idea of where the community stands.

:Hope this clears some stuff up, at least about where I'm coming from! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:14, 21 December 2007 (CST)
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:{{quote|Immortal1|I don't really get all this levels and tiers stuff. For one thing it does help new series. If someone starts a new series and wants to make character pages or transcript pages why should they be penalized from doing so just because they are new?}}
:Counter-question: Why should a "series" that has barely released one episode occupy one episode page, one general description page, two character pages, two "xxx's blog" categories, a general category, a blog template and a character index template?
:Just to add some math to Zoey's reply: We're talking about 9 pages for a "series" of one episode with two characters. If the "series"'s creators then decide to be even more important and add pages for the actors, director and other staff, as well as filmography categories for them, then you're (with only one camera man as staff) at 19 pages for one episode with two characters already.
:And now imagine this: The "series" gets a mere 50 views on youtube, adds a second episode that never gets added to the pedia, and two weeks later, the projects is dead. And we're stuck with 19 meaningless pages, just because somebody made ''one'' video.
:I have said this in the past, but I think I'll have to repeat it: I have no intent to belittle the efforts of the content creating part of the community - but the fact that somebody somewhere made something and declared it to be connected to the Breeniverse does not automatically make it significant enough to be included on LGPedia.
:There is certain stuff that, no matter how much effort and love was invested in it, the general community just doesn't care about. The deciding factors for LGPedia pages are prominence and impact of the page's subject matter - not personal vanity.

:Just think about it this way: There are [[The party guests|canon characters]] and [[Cameos|actors]] of the official main series that don't have their own pages - if we don't even give every ''canon'' character his own page, why should we add pages for ''non''-canon characters that only five people in the community know so far?
:If a series grows and becomes popular, it is ''inevitable'' to branch it out into multiple pages and categorize it - simply to conquer the growing amount of information. But if all information on a series fits on one page with no loss of clarity, then that's a pretty good sign it doesn't need multiple pages.

:Zoey: Touching that topic, maybe we should assign "series maintainers" for branching out series. i.e. if LeetBlogger15 wants to add separate episode pages for a medium series, we could allow it under the condition that he actively maintains them, and delete them straight away if he doesn't. That way, series of a certain size could branch out without you getting a headache over half-finished pages and dead links. If it looks like crap and the page isn't maintained, it just gets deleted and the creator loses his chance to branch out due to lack of encyclopaedic interest (b/c, if other people had cared for the pages, they'd have fixed them).
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:49, 22 December 2007 (CST)
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'''My response to this whole thing:'''

I love the idea of categorizing UGC/FanFic like this. Right now, the 'Pedia is a big mess full of barely notable "series" and the characters of that "series." (I have to say - and am sorry to say - that I am responsible with the community for a lot of that clutter.)

And I love Zoey's original Type 1, Type 2, Type 3, Type 4, and Type 5 ideas. However, I'm a bit confused as to what Type 3 is. Could anyone clear that up for me? What exactly are you talking about by exceptions? Hmm?

Just some comments/clear community understandings of Type 1... So, what I'm understanding is that Type 1 is a notable video series with more than 4 main characters and at least more than 15 videos. Type 1 series (whether they are Fan Fiction ''or'' User Generated Content) would only get 1 page with a template - however, I'm not liking the current fact that the Type 1 example [[Lonelyjew15]] has a Person template... shouldn't there be like a FanShow template? The sections on the Type 1 series page would include a summary at the top (no section given), a characters section with brief character blurbs and actors if known (Characters and Cast section), a section with the production credits, if available (Production Crew section), and a section with links to where fans could watch the series and if there are any forums about it, etc. (External Links section). They would be in Category:Type 1 fan fiction.

Now onto Type 2... My understanding is that Type 2 is basically a Type 1 that is not as notable. Basically the same stuff, with less comprehensive information. Right? They would be in Category:Type 2 fan fiction.

Type 3... I do not understand what a Type 3 is. Could somebody please clear this up for the community? They would be in Category:Type 3 fan fiction.

Type 4... Major ARGs or fan series that are very notable, such as [[Redearth88]] or [[Cassieiswatching]], would get more than one page with Major character pages, Cast pages, Episode pages, etc. The main series page would be included in Category:Type 4 fan fiction.

Type 5... tsk tsk. Type 5 doesn't belong on the Pedia. No categories, please.

About using the Community Portal... Renegade, I like your idea about using the now hardly used Community Portal as sort of a portal for fan fiction. :) Type 4 would get episode pages linked, and it would be noted whenever Type 1, Type 2, or Type 3 released videos (they would just get linked to their YouTube video page, however).

:)

Comments? Concerns? Questions?

Thanks,

:[[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 13:07, 23 December 2007 (CST)
:Zoey specifically stated we're not supposed to discuss portals or any other "later" stuff, I think we should respect that. We'll have enough time to do that once we figured out which content is important enough in the first place.
:As for elaborating on the types, my previous table makes it pretty clear, imo: You have one "category" of series that get no coverage at all, simply because they're not notable. The next level gets a single page, with maybe a paragraph or two, giving an overview of the series. The next level still gets only a single page, but more comprehensive information, like a list of episodes and characters, and a general plot outline. The level after that is the "exception" level - these are theoretically on the level before, only big enough for a single page, but for a special reason get the big treatment - [[Lonelygirl362436]] would be such an example. It only has 1 1/2 human characters and three episodes, so it shouldn't get the full set of pages - but it was made by the Creators and had very high prominence in the community, so gets treated like the next and highest level: A full set of pages and categories, akin to the canon series.
:And yes, it'd be possible to create a full set of customizable fan templates to be used, in order to eliminate all the custom saved ones.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 14:43, 23 December 2007 (CST)

:::Just to add my input here, I like the idea. Of course, all the details have to be ironed out, and one inherent difficulty with the system is that it is somewhat subjective. To fix this somewhat, I do think ''some'' objective standard should be set (as has been mentioned) like number of views or number of videos in order for a series to reach a certain level/tier. Personally I think view count would be better since having a lot of videos does not necessarily mean that the series is popular. For including videos on the massive "fan fiction" page (or whatever it's called), I think we should be ''fairly'' liberal in what gets added. Obviously, we don't want to be too liberal, but it takes minimal effort to add a short description about a series, and it can provide much-needed publicity for a new series. Maybe we could even split this page up into different types of fanfic series, like ARGs, spoofs (if we include them), spinoffs, etc. This should allow more series to be added without things looking as cluttered. Clearly, then, if we're liberal about this page, we'd be much more conservative about series which get more coverage. Writing an entire page on a series can take some time, and writing transcripts can take a ''long'' time ([[Jonas Conference Call]] anyone?), and there's no point wasting time writing them if no one really cares. Oh, and I like the idea of the customizable fan templates, Renegade. That'll standardize things and remove a lot of clutter. This whole thing is definitely a touchy subject, but I think everyone is handling it well. I hope we reach a good solution because this is something that's needed to be done for a long time now.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:48, 23 December 2007 (CST)

::::I don't understand why the number of main characters in a show needs to be a factor in deciding whether or not it is worthy of a certain rank/class/type/tier/level/zone/whatever. ItsCassie, anyone? --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 19:52, 23 December 2007 (CST)

:::::Nobody ever said it has to be one - it was just part of the example. One new character and three videos is vastly smaller than Maddison Atkins or Redearth are, for example.
:::::First and foremost, "notability" is the important factor. In itscassie's case, video view counts would probably checked, and general community prominence would be tried to assess.
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:53, 23 December 2007 (CST)

::::::: Ah, okay; I apologize. I misunderstood. The number of characters was just being thrown out as an example, not something set in stone. I agree that notability should be the most important thing in deciding what gets put in what tier. For example, CassieIsWatching, while lacking a large story or many characters, had a HUGE following and a HUGE effect on the Breeniverse (Glenn created OpAphid after seeing CiW, which led to many events in LG15 from Nov. 06 to Mar. 07... Later led to RE88, etc.) --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 21:06, 23 December 2007 (CST)

Here's my two cents... I agree that guidelines definitely need to be set up. A great chunk of the "fanfic/UGC/Whatever you want to call it" seems to be the "New Girl" pages. A problem I have seen is that, with the exception of the Flock, the new girls are the most frequently... neglected, for lack of a better word. I'm sure there are other pages that also suffer from this, and we should find a way to condense information in places...

Credit Categories: The only UGC series that are significant enough to merit categories for filmography, credits, etc. would be OpAphid, Redearth88/MaddisonAtkins, and Cassieiswatching (if said info were ever to be released).

Response/Stand-Alone Videos: These should be evaluated on an individual basis. Many of these only take up the space of one page (both video and poster) and function fine ([[Deemontreal]], [[breeiswaiting]], etc.)

Ties to Canon: Videos that fall in the gray territory should also be considered ([[Paulmark18]], [[watchyourjack]], [[Immant]], etc.)

Cassiemania: Maybe there could be a page of Cassie-spinoffs that could be restricted to one page, (in the way that the "List of New Girls" page is set up.) ([[Cassieresurrection]], [[Frankiswaking]], [[Frankiswaiting@gmail.com]], etc.) (although some may merit more)

New Girl Mania: Maybe same solution as the one for Cassie listed above? Why have that list of New Girls page AND a stand-alone page? (Again, some may merit more).

The argument may be made that the level of info given on, say, the [[lonelyjew15]] page isn't enough. Some series have successfully had more information than that and kept it limited to one page ([[TheLadyLazarus]]).

Wow, that turned out longer than I intended it to. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:21, 24 December 2007 (EST)
:We need to seriously look over [[List of New Girl Candidates|new girls]]. All of their videos are transcribed and treated as a series. I know some of them got expanded into series or are a part of one, but some of them are just random and really don't deserve that much attention. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:49, 21 February 2008 (CST)

==Series Redesign Discussion==
'''This is independent of any discussion regarding tier placement for now, although once we agree on tiers, further discussion should go on here.'''
===Redearth88===
As I was telling Zoey, I want to redesign the base template being used for spin-offs, as I find it repulsive. More on that later. For the time being, though, I've designed [[Redearth88/Sandbox|a semi-decent replacement for the RE88 portal]]. (It needs to be done; I hate how it's being referred to as a portal but looks like a crappy write-up section.) It still needs some work, obviously; I just hashed it together in about 20 minutes. So let me know what you guys think, and feel free to edit away on it.

''On a related note, we should figure out exactly what will be listed as part of the RE88 portal, and what will be considered wholly separate.'' - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:42, 27 February 2008 (CST)

:I for one love the new look. It looks much less cluttered than the previous one. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:30, 27 February 2008 (EST)

::I also like the new look. Now we just have to figure out what goes to the MA portal and what goes to the RE88 portal.

:::Madisson Atkins is not getting its own portal. It is, for all intents and purposes, within the Redearth universe, and will be getting a redesign using the same color scheme. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 12:50, 17 April 2008 (CDT)

'''Note:''' The new design has been rolled out earlier than expected, since the series shouldn't be impacted by the ongoing revamp, and there was a general consensus (based on people viewing the sandbox and not touching it). - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 14:24, 17 April 2008 (CDT)

===New Series Template and General guidelines for All===
I just gone putting together my [[User:Shiori/Template|redesigned template]] for series that use it. It's not the best in the world, but it resembles what we have currently and sets some important guidelines that have been argued recently, which I really think need to be hashed out now before we set off redesigning things.
<ol>
<li>All series should have a summary on the page. No one will find a series valuable if they don't know what it is. (My idea for a standard set for the summary is something of the following, but it's more subjective than this: "It should be explanatory enough that someone with no idea of what any of the series listed here would be able to understand. (i.e. Assume no one has previous knowledge of lonelygirl15 or KateModern.)")</li>
<li>Please, for the love of Jehovah, follow these standards: Videos should be listed as direct links to the video, unless they are transcribed. Transcriptions are not recommended, but if they exist, there should be NO direct links to the video in the listing (since they'll have it on the transcript page). In essence, any of the following are a no-no on the listing of videos for a series: <pre>Video name ([external_link])
[[transcript|Video name]] ([external_link])</pre>
We want this:<pre>[external_link Video name]
[[transcript|Video name]]</pre>
</li>
</ol>
Keep in mind that the template I designed is meant to be applied to series that will end up in Tiers 3 or 4, but the guidelines should apply to ALL videos for uniformity. Have fun discussing. :) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 12:26, 27 February 2008 (CST)

===How, exactly, to handle Tier 4 and 5 series pages===
I think this also should be discussed. Not only is the randomness of the current structure of pages a pet peeve of mine, but it makes no sense.
We've got pages that are the series's name a space and then the content name, we've got series name/content, and we've got content without any series name. I think, considering the more pages we add to the Pedia, the more likely we are to run into naming conflicts, we should put everything (perhaps not characters; that's what a discussion is for) as '''series name/content''', so you'd get stuff like The Flock/Minor Characters. Please discuss, and keep in mind that we've got several classifications of pages to consider:
*Main series pages (these clearly wouldn't need a content clarifier)
*Character pages
*Video pages (if they exist)
*Informational pages
*Actor pages This should only really apply to RE88, but I don't think these need series clarification

:The formal name is "subpages", although we should probably officially activate the subpages feature in the config to get those handy "<< Series name" links. That being said, this sounds like a very good solution to me - you could have LonelyJew15/Characters, LonelyJew15/Videos, LonelyJew15/OpAdolf and whatnot. We would, of course, need some redirects - LonelyJew15/Anne_Frank is not 100% intuitive.
:One thing that bothers me, though, is the "Tier 3" in the section title. As per the definition, Tier 3 pages only get one page. There are no additional pages to discuss. A simple page under "seriesname" is what it is.
:And an exception I'd make are actors...there's no use having a separate LonelyJew15/Jenni_Powell to the normal Jenni_Powell. Jenni Powell is Jenni Powell, Maya Kramer is Maya Kramer, and Amanda Goodfried is Amanda Goodfried. They are not specific to one series.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
:::Right you are. It's been so long since we started the revamp, I forgot the tiers. I changed-ed it. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 19:05, 19 March 2008 (CDT)

::::Personally I don't like the subpage idea very much. Wikipedia {{wikipedia|WP:SP|doesn't allow subpages}} for "permanent content that is meant to be part of the encyclopedia" (Disallowed uses, number 3), and I think there's good reason. Here are a few I can think of for our case:
::::#Subpages are harder to link to. I don't know about you, but typing out '''<nowiki>[[LonelyJew15/Anne Frank|Anne Frank]]</nowiki>''' instead of just '''<nowiki>[[Anne Frank]]</nowiki>''' seems like a lot more work to me, especially when it must be done for ''every'' link to a page relating to a series.
::::#In many cases, there's no overlap of names. There's only one [[Anne Frank]], [[Rachel]], [[Maddison Atkins]], etc., and if a name ''did'' happen to overlap, we already have ways to deal with that (e.g. {{tl|one other use}}). In the cases where names would overlap (like "List of videos"), I don't see a problem with just using '''Redearth88 list of videos''' (for example), since it's as easy to type (and looks nicer imo) than '''Redearth88/List of videos'''.
::::#Some characters are in more than one series. For example, [[Tachyon]] is in both [[OpAphid]] and [[Redearth88]] (granted, she's named [[Aly Zarin]] in RE88 but it's still the same character). Also, I haven't been following RE88 and MA recently, but if it's true there's going to be (already has been?) overlap between the two, how do we decide how to categorize the characters? Heck, [[War Pylol]] right now is categorized in [[:Category:OpAphid characters]], Category:Maddison Atkins characters, and Category:Redearth characters. Of course, we could decide which series the character is ''most'' a part of, but then we run the risk of making it look like the character is ''only'' part of that series and not any others.
::::#It would make page names inconsistent and confusing. If someone's looking for the page on [[Bree]], they search for "Bree". If they're looking for [[Gregory Atkins]], they search for "Gregory Atkins", not "Maddison Atkins/Gregory Atkins". Of course, redirects are an option (as you say) but why have a redirect when you can just house the page there in the first place without any loss of understanding about what the page is about? And if we end up sticking with the namespace idea for both official series (see [[# Page/Category naming conventions|below]]), that will confuse things even more. 'Cause now I have to type '''LonelyJew15/List of videos''' for the LJ15 videos but '''LG:List of videos''' (or similar) for the LG15 videos. Seems counter-intuitive and confusing to new (and even ol...err, established) editors. Again, we could have redirects, but it'd be much better (imo) to just keep things consistent.
::::My proposal, then, is to use "SeriesName Pagename" for pages like "Characters" and "Videos" and to just use "Pagename" for everything else. (In fact, after thinking through all of this, I kind of still like that idea for the official series as well. Hmmm...) Other thoughts?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:16, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
:::::Dang you're persuasive, Jon. But then this brings up Redearth, which was what I was basing this off of. Should we rename all of the Redearth pages that currently use this structure (during the appropriate phase of the revamp, of course.) But should we come up with some standard for a naming convention when pages need to be moved because of conflict? I've seen (video), (character), (Redearth88), (RE88), and (RE88 character) tacked on to the end of pages floating around (I'm not sure all of them were RE88, but it serves as a good example). Standardizing would probably make this easier... - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:56, 19 March 2008 (CDT)

::::::I agree that we need to standardize. My suggestion would be to avoid making the "tack-ons" series specific, but instead use (character), (video), etc. For example, [[Doctor (Redearth88)]] would be moved to '''Doctor (character)'''. However, in an instance where there would still be a conflict (both [[Jack]] and [[Jack (Secondary Character)]] are characters, for instance), then we would include the series, but not the "character" part of it. So, [[Jack]] would stay where it is and [[Jack (Secondary Character)]] would be moved to '''Jack (lonelygirl15)''', since watchyourjack isn't really lg15. If there was ''still'' overlap, then we'd use both (like "(KateModern character)"). For all of these cases, {{tl|one other use}} should probably be used, if not a disambiguation page. Thoughts?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:01, 1 April 2008 (CDT)

==Character Pages Discussion==
''Okay, so there's been some talk as to the condition of the character pages we have here on the Pedia. Just bring everyone up to speed, here's what's been said so far:''

:Zoey, I've been pondering this for some time and thought I may as well ask you about it. Why is it that we do an entire "story so far" on every main character page? Wouldn't it be easier to just highlight the big stuff under "background" and pay more attention to keeping up the [[The Story So Far...]]. I mean, it just seems like our character pages are going to be so huge that no one will read the entire thing when we could be using the really good parts of each character background to make a really awesome page for our story so far, plus it would be less work for each character page and more people would actually edit our story so far page instead of it being left for months without any work done to it. I hope that all makes sense as now I'm looking at it and seems quite long, anyway, it's not that big of deal, just thought I'd throw that out there. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:20, 19 February 2008 (CST)

::I think you have a completely valid point. I've actually been pondering implimenting something to that effect for a long time. The only thing is, I couldn't figure out how to do up the characters' pages so that this would work. Do you have any ideas... maybe a mockup of a page idea so I (and others) can kind of get a better idea of what exactly you have in mind? I'd love to see it! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:55, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

:OK, this is proving harder than I had thought it would be. It's difficult to decide what to do with it. Maybe we should start a discussion or something to get other people's input because I really do think it would be better to have the character pages be shorter, but I don't know where to start! By the way I'm not going to be able to do quite as much editing as I have been because people at work are getting suspicious. :( [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:07, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

So yeah -- thoughts, people? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:38, 11 March 2008 (CDT)

Well, first I think we should get rid of any sections that are covered in other places (ie: Daniels relationship section and Jonas's fan activity section) and just put links to them at the bottom with the theory links. EDIT: I have made a fake Daniel page [[User:Nancypants/sandbox|here]] so if anyone has ideas please feel free to mess around and change things, it's just my sandbox. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:36, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

:Now that I've had time to look over the proposed page, I must say, I like it! - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 12:54, 12 April 2008 (CDT)

::I rather like the page too! I think it needs to be fleshed out in some parts (don't ask me where! if I could put my finger on it, I'd totally tell you! lol)... I just feel like it's a bit bare... but really... it's SO on the right track! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 11:03, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

== Written policies needed: Disputing edits & commenting etiquette ==

On [[LGPedia talk:Deletion Policy#Lesser Deletion Policy|two]] [[Talk:Recovered Memory#a + b = c|occasions]] in the past two weeks, the way we deal with disputed edits came into question. '''As such, I feel it is necessary to, once and for all, write an official policy on how to correctly oppose a revision, and how each side has to behave.''' This policy ''has'' to be signed and endorsed by the administration, in order to give it the necessary authority.

'''My POV:''' 
In my opinion, the commonly accepted, now disputed policy is the only practical and logical one: ''Do what the majority wants.'' 
The main question of the disputes was, whether to leave the disputed edit standing and have the disputing side argue why it should be reverted, or to revert to the original version and discuss the changes. In my opinion, it is obvious the latter has to be done, due to the following reasoning:

Let us first take a look at how an edit can commonly turn out:
#The edit is made, and nobody disputes it. This suggests the community agrees with the edit.
#The edit is made, and somebody reverts it.
##In the discussion following, the community agrees with the edit, and the change is reinstated.
##In the discussion following, the community disagrees with the edit, and the revert is upheld.

The important part for my reasoning is #1 - no dispute. A certain state of a page can only exist if nobody disputed it. Thus, by the very logic of the concept of community based editing, the original version of the page, the one that is being edited, is a version that was accepted as "usable", "okay" or "fitting" by the community in the past, up to the point until the disputed change was made. The original version can thus be assumed as a ''community accepted revision'', in the sense that the ''majority'' of the community saw no reason to change it, or at least saw no reason to propose the disputed change.

Now let us watch how a dispute would go under the different systems:
{|style="border: 1px solid #bbbbbb; background-color: #FAFAFA;"
!style="background: #B8D1EF;"|Common process
!style="background: #B8D1EF;"|Proposed process
|-
|style="background: #EAEAEA;"|''Page status: {{color|green|Community Accepted Revision}}''
|style="background: #EAEAEA;"|''Page status: {{color|green|Community Accepted Revision}}''
|-
|An edit is made
|An edit is made
|-
|style="background: #EAEAEA;"|''Page status: {{color|red|Unverified Revision}}''
|style="background: #EAEAEA;"|''Page status: {{color|red|Unverified Revision}}''
|-
|The edit gets reverted
|Somebody disputes the edit on a talk page, explaining why it is not a valid contribution to the page, but is not allowed to revert.
|-
|style="background: #EAEAEA;"|''Page status: {{color|green|Community Accepted Revision}}''
|style="background: #EAEAEA;"|''Page status: {{color|red|Unverified Revision}}''
|-
|The editor disputes the revert on a talk page, outlining why his change should be committed, but is not allowed to revert.
|
|-
|style="background: #EAEAEA;"|''Page status: {{color|green|Community Accepted Revision}}''
|style="background: #EAEAEA;"|''Page status: {{color|red|Unverified Revision}}''
|-
|Discussion
|Discussion
|-
|style="background: #EAEAEA;"|''Page status: {{color|green|Community Accepted Revision}}''
|style="background: #EAEAEA;"|''Page status: {{color|red|Unverified Revision}}''
|-
|Decision of the majority - either commit the change, or leave as is.
|Decision of the majority - accept new revision, or revert.
|-
|style="background: #EAEAEA;"|''Page status: {{color|green|Community Accepted Revision}}''
|style="background: #EAEAEA;"|''Page status: {{color|green|Community Accepted Revision}}''
|}
At first, the processes seems very similar, and the proposed process, as QtheC put it, "encourages addition of content and pushes the discussion toward justifying removal, rather than justifying addition.". However, this does not take into account two very important facts:
#'''The revision status during discussion.''' As visible above, during the discussion in the common process, the page is always held on a community accepted revision, whereas, in the new process, the page stays on the disputed status. In other words, during the common process, the page stays in a revision that nobody in the community but the editor deems "wrong" in any way, while, in the new process, the page stays in a revision that the community has not verified yet, and, in fact, got disputed immediately after it was submitted.
#'''Valuing addition higher than removal.''' This is simply ''wrong''. There is no reason to assume that an addition is always better than a removal. Removing confusing, incorrect or otherwise irrelevant content can clear up and improve a page considerably, while adding only marginally related, badly formatted or phrased or even irrelevant content can confuse readers and significantly diminish a page's quality. What should be evaluated is the ''change'' itself, not whether the nature of the change was an addition or removal. LGPedia does ''not'' per se advocate addition of content. It advocates ''improvement'' of content. In most cases, this means addition, yes. But it can very well mean removal, and it is ludicrous to assume that an addition is by default better than a removal.
To return to the process:
*In the common process, the community accepted revision is upheld, the community discusses a change to the community accepted revision, and, by this discussion, creates a new community accepted revision - be it one that includes the proposed change, or one that expressedly excludes it.
*In the proposed process, the rogue user's unverified revision is upheld, and the community has to live with an actively disputed revision until it proves that it really, really doesn't like this change.
What does this mean practically?
#It is reasonable to assume that the community accepted revision has a certain standard: It has a certain level of visual appeal, the phrasing is alright, and so on. The unverified revision may have been disputed exactly because that is ''not'' the case. In the common process, the community accepted, regularly patrolled page stays out for everyone to see. In the proposed process, the potentially erroneous and typo-laden revision stays out for everyone to see.
#Significant changes could be forced upon the community. Take my proposed [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|Portal:Lonelygirl15 redesign]], for example. Following the new process, I could simply install it and ''the entire rest of the community'' would have to justify reverting the change, instead of just reverting it and telling me "we did not approve this yet, kthx". Now, I like to think that my portal redesign is not all that bad, but remember that this policy is for everyone - by tomorrow, you could find yourself arguing about a horrible 1995-looking table-based layout that includes the entire plot of lonelygirl15 on the [[Main Page]]. And you couldn't just revert it. Policy would say you'd have to discuss the revert first.
#Think of the following question: What if the number of discussing people is rather small? In the common process, if people actually adhered to it instead of edit-waring their revision back in (the person I mean knows exactly who he his), the community accepted revision would be upheld even if there was only one "defender" against the editor. The editor would actively have to show the community backs his change before he could push it through. In the proposed process, one single editor is enough to force a significant change through, and now the "defender" has to go out and inform people the page has been violated and actually has to gather support just to ''return'' to a state that everybody backs.
#Lastly, it is simply a question of common courtesy and "burden of proof" type of thinking - if somebody wants to make a change to a page, that person should be ready to prove that his change is "right" or "makes sense". It should not be required for the majority of the community to go to the talk page and prove the editor wrong, just to get the page they already agreed to back. Community backing for a change should be secured ''before'' the change is made - not afterwards.

In the end, I can't help but think that the proposed process was proposed exactly ''because'' it allows to force rogue edits down the community's throat - because, one must not forget that the common process does not exist to stop changes - it just requires community backing to make them. In the discussions that spawned these proposals, that community backing was lacking. Several times, it was ''one person'' arguing for several days without support from others, but still trying to force their will upon the entire rest of the communtiy. It is obvious how these users would gain an advantage from the proposed process.

Let me reiterate this: If someone makes a disputed, reverted edit, and can provide a reasonable explanation for the change, the community ''will'' back him, and the majority ''will'' reinstate the change even if the "defender" is of differing opinion. '''If a change finds support by the majority, the common process does not stop it.''' It just requires the ''undisputed'' revision to stay while the discussion is running, and that the ''change'' is justified, not the ''already accepted'' revision.

Also note that, in 90% of all cases, consent is automatically given by the fact that nobody disputes an edit. The large majority of edits on LGPedia does not get disputed. No matter how this text sounds on first glance, the common process does ''not'' require every single change to be largely justified. It just requires changes to be justified should they get disputed.
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Independent from this, I would like to have a policy on talk page threads, specifically outlining the following points:
*Indention
*Destruction of other user's posts
The former is something I regularly see in discussions - people seem to be entirely unaware of how to use indention to signify who they're replying to, regularly jumping back to the grandparent level without a note or connection to the grandparent post. This is not only annoying to read, but also destroys the flow of discussion, and thus confuses readers.

The latter is something platy does, in particular, and something I consider highly inappropriate: Placing replies to sub-points of a comment directly ''inside'' of the original comment. 
If I have written a post, that is ''my'' post, and nobody has the right to change it except with my consent. It forms a union. Had I wanted to break it up and intermit it with comments, I'd have done that when I wrote it. 
We have a quote template. Especially I myself have demonstrated in the past how to use it to reply to select subpoints of previous posts. As such, ''there is no justification to alter someone else's post without consent''. 
I would like the talk page rules to specifically state that replies are to be made in a new, separate, independent post, without modifying the original post.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:26, 4 April 2008 (CDT)
P.S.: I am aware that I have followed platy's style in the recent discussion(s) - as you can see, I pointed out how impolite and inappropriate his behavior was multiple times, but he didn't listen. I had no other choice but to follow him in order to stay in the discussion, and since my posts had already been violated, it didn't make much difference. Still, I am very displeased with this behavior. My posts are mine and the only people who should be allowed to edit it without my consent are administrators.

:The first point I'd like to make is that things here are and always have been decided by consensus. And while this ''can'' mean majority vote, it should more often be a comprise reached among all the parties involved. For example, instead of viewing an issue such as including a note as a debate between inclusion and exclusion, the discussion really should focus on what aspects of the note are worth including and what aspects are not. If it's the case that no part of the note should be kept, then so be it, but the focus should be '''cooperation toward a common goal'''. If this mindset is adopted, ideally discussions will look more like collaboration than debates. That's not to say there won't be disagreement (obviously in most cases that's why the discussion is taking place), but the driving force behind the discussion should be the desired result, not showing how the other person is wrong. Also, remember to {{wikipedia|WP:FAITH|assume good faith}} when it comes to other editors. Despite what it may seem, there is usually some reasoning behind every edit, so try to find the positive side of someone's contribution and build off of that.
:Secondly, I understand the point about wanting to encourage additions, so I'd like to add my own thoughts about that. As I said above, the goal is to reach a compromise, or a final result that everyone involved is happy with. So, instead of simply removing the edit in question, try ''improving'' it instead. This way, the original editor doesn't feel like their edit was worthless, but the disputer also has the opportunity to fix what they believe is wrong about the change. Again, this doesn't always work, as some additions need to just be completely removed, but it's something to keep in mind.
:In response to the main point of Renegade's post, I completely agree that we need a written policy on this, as this issue has been coming up a lot recently, and the lack of an official policy has made people question what exactly should be done. I have to say that I agree that the edit should stay off the page during the discussion, mainly for the reasons Renegade outlined. If the disputer does not completely revert the edit, but only modifies it, then obviously that new version can stay on the page while the discussion is happening. If, however, an edit war starts between two different versions of an edit (and this has happened before), the original, non-disputed one will be restored until a consensus can be reached on the talk page. Just to clarify, this applies only when the edits are simply going back and forth between versions, rather than gradually improving into a better version. The idea is to prevent senseless edit wars, not to hinder improvement. And just to reiterate, the vast majority of edits do not get disputed, so we're not saying that every edit must be explicitly accepted by the community. If no one contests it, that can be read as implicit consent and we can all go about our lives.
:Finally, concerning the talk page guidelines, that sounds like a good idea. Really, it's just common etiquette, but it's also something people may not be aware of right away. So if we do have such a policy, I think it's necessary to be lenient on newcomers who may not be aware of it, and just issue a friendly warning on the talk page, for example. If it becomes an issue to the extent that someone repeatedly refuses to follow the guidelines, actions would have to be taken, but hopefully we never get to that point.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 01:03, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
::I'm with Jon. It's nice to point out that, in most cases, a revert in order to dispute an addition is ''not'' the best solution. We've been pretty good about making improvements to ambiguous or questionable language when prudent, and adding something about that into the policy might not be a bad idea. The proposed solution would be only when ''it is believed'' that an improvement upon an edit cannot be created and/or the edit should never have been made in the first place.
::I also think we should make a move to limit the people with the ability to use that happy "revert" button to only do so when the edit made is clearly in violation with pre-established guidelines. That'll probably make a lot of people happier. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 09:24, 14 April 2008 (CDT)
:::I haven't had a chance to read this in its entirety yet, but I just wanted to point out that the only people with the rollback button are admins and spam-patrollers --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 10:53, 21 April 2008 (CDT).

::::After 17 days, that is all you have to say about this?
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:39, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

::::Sooooo....an entire month has passed and the administration unanimously decided to be indecisive and ignore the issue. And yet you complain when there are edit wars. Hypocrites.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:37, 4 May 2008 (CDT)

== Auto-generating EpHeader inside the Blog template ==
I will be the first to admit, this is random. But, at least in my mind, it might actually be a good idea. The [[Template:Blog|Blog template]] can detect whether an episode number is actually a number, and based on that, generate the Epcode or KMEpcode template accordingly. Going along the same principle, why can't we use the same test to auto-generate {{tl|EpHeader}} with the blog template? I, for one, would absolutely ''love'' not having to make sure the episode numbers match between the blog template and the epheader template, as having them NOT match happens probably more than it should. 
Obviously we would have the epheader template pull the blog name, as well, so we could have the special characters when needed.

What does everyone else think? I know LGBot and EvilRenegade might hate the suggestion, considering the work they'd have to do... :p

'''Summary for people who are confused about what I just said:'''
We currently have to do (essentially) {{tl|Blog}}{{tl|EpHeader}} on each episode page. I'm suggesting making it so that you'd only have to do {{tl|Blog}} on an episode page. All with no added user-side parameters! - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 19:05, 15 April 2008 (CDT)

:The current setup is as it is because, in the past, custom intro-paragraphs for episodes were not uncommon. We couldn't check how the headers of each episode looked like, so we just made LGBot add it everywhere so we could move around or remove the template where necessary.
:I believe for KM I included EpHeader from the start, for this exact reason.
:So while I agree it might be easier, all 450+ episodes would have to be checked to be sure it worked.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:50, 15 April 2008 (CDT)

::From what I can see (I only checked out about 50 blogs. I've edited more than that recently to get a pretty good sample size), all of the videos that this would apply to are currently using the EpHeader template. (Well, plus some additional verbage, but that would stay intact. So I can't see a problem. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 20:57, 15 April 2008 (CDT)

'''Yep. Jon and I got this worked out last night. Discussion closed. :p''' - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 07:37, 16 April 2008 (CDT)

==Puzzle Revamp==
::''For a more detailed explanation, see [[Talk:Lonelygirl15 puzzles#The Puzzle "Revamp"]]''
I know several people are going to kill me for doing this, but I'm proposing that another "revamp" take place. Please note, it is on a much smaller scale than the one taking place, and is only in reference to puzzles in [[Lonelygirl15]] (including [[OpAphid]] and [[Jumper]]) and [[KateModern]] and how they are organized and represented on the pedia. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:54, 19 April 2008 (EST)

:::For one, afaik, Jumper is not canon. At least we made very sure to limit its display on LGPedia. And for two, the only thing I constantly thought during reading both pages was "wtf?".
:::Why do you want this? What purpose does it serve? Why forcefully limit the amount of space a puzzle can have?
:::For one, UGC puzzles fall under the general UGC Tier system. If you're not Tier 4 or higher, you can't even make a separate puzzle page anyway. So the only puzzles we're really talking about are OpAphid, LG15 and similar ones.
:::And these are finite.
:::The UGC revamp had to happen because any series keeps growing and growing and growing, and if a series is featured, it sucks when the pages are not up to date, and if a series is not all that notable, it sucks when it takes up more and more space. This does not apply to puzzles. Puzzles are over when they're over, and there are only two possibilities - either you covered them completely with both puzzle and solution, or you didn't. They don't grow after complete coverage. As such, there is no need to limit their expansion.

:::Series that are not notable do not get to create puzzle pages in the first place. Series that do get to create puzzle pages cannot expand them beyond "everything". Either a puzzle is covered completely, or it is not. There is no middle ground. If puzzles are so small they can be grouped on a single page, but aren't, this can be fixed as part of the normal pedia procedure, without a grand revamp.
:::As such, I, personally, think this revamp is unnecessary and unrealistic.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 07:18, 21 April 2008 (CDT)
From what I understand, the proposition only affects series that would already merit puzzle pages? Is this correct? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 10:50, 21 April 2008 (CDT)
:That is correct. This only affects puzzles for Lonelygirl15, KateModern, and OpAphid. (Jumper falls into a gray area, so I'm not exactly sure what to label it). Renegade is correct in that UGC series follow the guildlines set up by the revamp (i.e. Redearth88, Maddison Atkins. The Coalition, etc. are not part of the discussion. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:56 21 April 2008 (EST)
::EDIT: I just read Renegade's message again. The problem is that some puzzles are small enough to be lumped together in one page, and some have more info. This is evident simply by viewing the [[Lonelygirl15 puzzles]] page. I admit, "Revamp" is probably the wrong word to use. Analysis maybe? Whatever the word, it looks strange if some puzzles are together on one page, while others have their own page (and if we grant each their own page, some puzzles have barely enough info to merit one. Should there be some index where one can access all the puzzles easily without searching through categories, or what? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 12:33, 21 April 2008 (EST)

:::But that is exactly my point - either the puzzle description is complete, or not. Some are big enough to need entire pages, some are tiny and can live with a few lines. You cannot just cut down a puzzle description that's a page long - you'll either miss the puzzle, or the solution.
:::And, like I said before, if any of the standalone puzzles don't merit their own pages, they can be put on the collective puzzle page as part of normal pedia operation - no need for a larger project.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:39, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

== Lowercase letters starting titles of pages ==

I am a bit confused on this. Why can't a lowercase letter begin the title of a page? I know, technical restrictions, but Wikipedia apparently can do that... Just a thought. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 12:22, 3 August 2008 (CDT)

:Long story short, Wikipedia uses a plugin that isn't installed on the LG15 version of the MediaWiki. That's not to say it couldn't be, only that it isn't currently. There was another work-around Wikipedia had at one point, but IIRC, it was some crazy javascript that only worked part of the time. Plus, if you'll notice, all of Wikipedia's pages are still upper-case only, they just have a template that allows the title of the page to appear lowercase. At that point, I think you're more arguing semantics. (Our current blog template will show the title in the text of the page correctly, regardless of formatting.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 00:11, 12 August 2008 (CDT)

==Alternative to revamp proposal==
Seeing as the revamp seems to have fallen through, I'd like to make a proposition. Instead of a tier system, we have the consensus system. Basically, every '''series''' has the opportunity to have a comprehensive single page on the lgpedia. If someone believes that more pages are merited, they can propose it on the article's talk page. However, if the consensus allows for the expansion to occur, there has to be a user (or users) willing to take responsibility for their upkeep. Please keep in mind that this is just a proposal, and some details still have to be hashed out. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13 August 208 (EST)

::You might want to take this discussion over to Lucy's Balcony so that this page can focus on the actual series that need work on their pages.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 15:30, 13 August 2008 (CDT)

:I agree to this, in principle. HOWEVER, I do think we need to set up a minimum requirement for creating new pages, as people did go all willy-nilly last time. We do have a videos/minor series page, and I'd like to continue using it and/or fuse it into the new series page somehow. I'd say we need some requirements like this (and this is just my thoughts on the matter, mind):
:'''In order to justify series page:'''
:1. Series must be "significant" (in the eyes of the community). Generally speaking, this would require:
::a. Series must have x videos (5?) or a serious indication of numerous videos or longevity.
::''or''
::b. Series (or video) was featured on Inside LG15.
:2. Series page must have a justifiable amount of content. No single-sentence pages.

:We should probably establish minimum guidelines for added pages, as well, but I figured having guidelines that people can agree to before creating pages would help out in the long run. I guess what I'm looking for is people to expand or argue my proposed rules. We do really need something, but they shouldn't be arbitrary like they were before. More objective, less subjective. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 10:50, 31 August 2008 (CDT)

:I propose that all the "proposed for deletion" pages from the earlier proposed revamp be eliminated. I am going to start erratically acting on that proposal unless anyone objects. The way I see it, any completed or dormant fan-series just needs to be tied in a bow no matter many pages it has. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 21:45, 29 September 2008 (CDT)

=Change the Editing Warning Message=
When editing on the LGPedia, the current message reads:

"Please note that all contributions to LGPedia may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors. If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then don't submit it here.
You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource (see [[LGPedia:Copyrights|Project:Copyrights]] for details). '''DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!'''"

I propose we replace this message with this improved version, with a less threatening, more respectful and more welcoming tone:

"Please note that all contributions to LGPedia may be edited by other users in a collaborative fashion. By adding content, you are asserting that it is your own work, that you have permission and have acknowledged the work of others by giving credit, or that it has been copied from a public domain or similar free resource (see [[LGPedia:Copyrights|Project:Copyrights]] for details). '''DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!'''"

::: Definitely more diplomatic. One of the problems with a pedia is that people do get upset when their contribution is deleted. Perhaps you could add something that addresses the more emotional issues regarding working on a pedia because ultimately most problems arise from "hurt feeling" rather than substantive facts. Never underestimate the importance of the "touchy feely" part of the equation which is what I think the original post was trying to do in a rather poorly worded statement.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 15:22, 29 August 2008 (CDT)

== All introductions on lonelygirl15 video pages are gone!!! ==

We no longer have the whole "''name of video'' is the #th video in the lonelygirl15 video series. It is also the #th video in season #." I think something got messed up with Template:Blog, anyone wanna go check it out? I'm bad with HTML editing and stuff, so I can't fix anything. Just thought I'd bring it to the community's attention! [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 00:42, 30 August 2008 (CDT)

:Fixed. There was some funky coding I hadn't realized needed to be removed from the EpHeader template when I added in the Resistance part of it. (It really wasn't ''that'' big of a deal, though... The exclamation points made me giggle.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 10:39, 31 August 2008 (CDT)

=Banning users from editing certain pages?=

I see Broken Kid has been editing a number of the pages that relate to the crew of the new show, and protecting them, i.e., notations say "EQAL-specific (not show-specific) info is locked for editing so that EQAL.com becomes official source of information." Edits appear to include the removal of pictures and other selected information about these persons. Now, I'm not the most active person on the LGPedia, but I do keep track of it generally. Was this change discussed at all, and if not (or even if so), what do people think about it? Locking numerous pages from editing makes LGPedia something different than a place to "give the fan community a place to collect information about the project," as the main page currently says. The possiblity of this happening is always a concern with a fan-wiki hosted on an official site, I guess. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 12:58, 7 September 2008 (CDT)

::This isn't so much banning users as locking pages for EQAL staff and cast/crew. I've been asked to lock these so that the users or the company can make sure the information on these pages represents what the user wants. The only information that has been removed so far are pictures that they did not supply, ages/birthdates, and personal myspace page links. Because these pages are indexed and found via search engines, people have complained about the inclusion of information they don't want associated with their work on EQAL shows. So these are being updated, and admins can keep those pages updated. [[User:Broken Kid|Broken Kid]] 13:09, 7 September 2008 (CDT)

:::Thanks for the quick explanation, BK. I didn't mean users are being banned, just banned from editing these pages. Even though I understand the rationale here, it seems like some policy needs to be put somewhere to explain that these pages are not subject to user edits. That's important, because one of the primary theories of a wiki is that it improves with collaborative input of an entire community. So, you can expect pages to be full of information, but not always 100% accurate or logical at any one time. On the other hand, pages that are not edited by community collaboration can be taken by readers to be "official information", and thus interpreted in that light as EQAL's official position. There are tons of pages on the LGPedia which are written in ways very different than they may have been written if done by EQAL staff, but with just as much (if not more) love. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:32, 7 September 2008 (CDT)

::This is just wrong.

::EQAL always had the right to make authoritative edits. They have turned LGPedia from a wiki into their private PR machine. What do they think we are... dancing monkeys?

::I respect their ownership of LG15.com as private property but I have no respect for tyranny. LGPedia has always treated EQAL respectfully but apparently that is not enough. I understand their desire to protect their corporate image but all facts on LGPedia are verified and public information. Exactly what dark secret is EQAL trying to hide?

::This is censorship. Nothing more, nothing less. Shame on you Greg Goodfried.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 17:00, 7 September 2008 (CDT)

This was posted on [[Inside LG15]] after the above posts:

"'''Update from the LG15 Universe'''
September 7th, 2008

As you know, we are preparing for a re-launch of the LG15 website that will include a new homepage (this is live now at LG15.com), the launch of the LG15 social network (holding page is live at LG15.com/theresistance), and a re-designed look/feel for Inside LG15 and the LGPedia to match the rest of the site. We’re really excited about the new social network and the new look/feel. One thing that we are doing as part of this process is to bring as much official information into the LGPedia as possible.

From the very beginning we created the LGPedia to be the #1 source for information about the LG15 universe and we chose to use wiki software so that it could be edited and improved by the fans. Thanks to the tireless efforts of Zoey and other contributors the LGPedia has flourished. It’s truly amazing. What we’d like to do going forward is to provide as much official graphics and information as possible so that the LGPedia is up-to-date and as thorough and exhaustive of a resource as it can possibly be. Additionally, we’ve had requests from cast and crew members and EQAL employees to put some guidelines in place concerning the inclusion of their personal information in the LGPedia. We really need to respect people’s privacy and thought this was a fair request. With this in mind Broken Kid is in the process of placing certain pages under administrator-only control so that we can protect people’s privacy and provide accurate information. These pages include all the cast, crew, and EQAL employee pages, and anything that refers to real people and real events/locations.

Please understand that the VAST majority of LGpedia will remain 100% community editable, including ALL of the pages and sections that refer to the fictional elements of shows in the LG15 Universe. We’re very excited about the increased profile the LGPedia will be taking within the LG15 universe, including the link on the homepage, and eventually inclusion throughout the site in a more integrated fashion.

Thanks!

--[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 20:10, 7 September 2008 (CDT)

::Like I said this is a corporate coup by Eqal, Inc. in an attempt to seize control of the fan run LGPedia. They always had the ability to make authoritative edits and their was no need for this change in policy. This is just pure censorship. Nothing more, nothing less. It is supposed to be a fan run wiki, not a public relations mouth piece for Eqal, Inc.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 21:43, 7 September 2008 (CDT)

::Am I allowed to ask why only certain cast and crew members are locked, and others are not? You'll find that [[Jackson Davis]] and [[Alexandra Dreyfus]], for example, are unlocked while [[Marnette Patterson]] and [[Brett Ryback]] are locked. Why? --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:54, 9 September 2008 (CDT)

:::I haven't gotten to all of them yet. I still have to get to major actors and KateModern crew. [[User:Broken Kid|Broken Kid]] 08:29, 10 September 2008 (CDT)

::I agree completely with MM, this is censorship, they think that this is a dictatorship and information can be omitted where it suits them. LGPedia is supposed to be FAN run not EQAL run. [[User:Danielbeast24790|Danielbeast24790]] 16:17, 29 September 2008 (CDT)

== LGPedia width ==

As some of you have [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page#Thin.3F noticed] the width of LGPedia has been reduced lately. I queried this on the [http://www.lg15.com/bbsposts/list/2/35/78/1 new forum] and was told that it was given a fixed width in order to fit in with the rest of the site's design. With this fixed width some users such as [http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b40/Xer0_/?action=view&current=wikiwidth.png myself]see a smaller thiner LGPedia whilst users like modelmotion have a LGpeida that takes over the full length of their screen.
After discussing the possibility of returning it to the way it was a compromise was suggested.
{{quote|Casey|What I think I could do is offer you a variable width "Skin" that you could set in your profile settings.
This would only affect the page if you are logged in. I will have to do some research to determine exactly how to implement this change, so it may take some time. Would this be a suitable fix for those of you who require variable width Wiki'ing?}}
Modelmotion in the thread suggested to Casey that this be discussed on LGPedia but he does not seem interested in discussing it on here. So i decided to post a discussion about it on here if he will not. --[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 05:19, 24 September 2008 (CDT)

That would help if he could fix it up a little--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 12:03, 24 September 2008 (CDT)

:::The solution proposed by Casey would appear to work on a "one on one" basis unless it was the default option. If we choose a "one on one" solution we would then have created the problem of how to communicate the existence of a preference to the entire user base of LGPedia. For this reason I think it better to actually implement a better version of the actual web design code that would offer more flexibility to LGPedia users in terms of width.

:::I understand that there might be design issues within LGPedia that would benefit from some sort of minimum width. The current setting is too wide for my needs. On the contrary, it is to narrow for other users, and hence the code implemented by Eqal has raised a lot of issues that we should discuss.

:::In addition we should also discuss how the actual skin implemented by Eqal affects the overall appearance of the lonelygirl15 and katemodern portals. We understand what Eqal is trying to do but we also have to protect the interests of the community when it comes to LGPedia because a lot of work has been put into various design projects.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 00:06, 25 September 2008 (CDT)

::Perhaps someone with programming skills could take a look at the code Eqal is using and we could come up with a better solution for Eqal Inc to implement.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 08:49, 3 October 2008 (CDT)

== Heads-up for potential posters: This page is worthless. ==

While I refuse to contribute due to the evident hypocrisy of the administration, I am of course still lurking in the dark, watching all the silly things you do. While that is usually a pretty boring thing to do, one thing has always confused me to no end: 
'''Why do people still post on this page?'''

I mean, look at the logs (today is {{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}}):

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|style="width:11em"|6 July 2008
|style="width:7em"|Zoey
|[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=134934&oldid=129683 Tiny cleanup: Removed category linking]
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|8 June 2008
|Zoey
|[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=129683&oldid=124743 Tiny cleanup: Removed category linking]
|-
|21 April 2008
|Zoey
|[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=122630&oldid=122627 Personal comment] (iow, nothing in her function as administrator)
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|21 April 2008
|Zoey
|[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=122625&oldid=122624 Stalling, completely unrelated information]
|-
|21 April 2008
|Zoey
|[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=122624&oldid=122543 Question for clarification] (iow, nothing in her function as administrator)
|-
|'''10 April 2008'''
|'''Jonpro'''
|'''[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=119591&oldid=117956 Large reply on the policies issue] (need I mention that he only posted after I brought the discussion up on IRC, and told him he should comment?)'''
|-
|4 April 2008
|Phoenician
|[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=117876&oldid=117161 Cleanup: Archived old issues] (iow, nothing in his function as administrator)
|-
|'''1 April 2008'''
|'''Jonpro'''
|'''[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=117161&oldid=116712 Suggestion, asking for thoughts]'''
|-
|31 March 2008
|Zoey
|[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=116712&oldid=115963 Tiny cleanup: Removed category linking]
|-
|'''20 March 2008'''
|'''Jonpro'''
|'''[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=113425&oldid=113401 Suggestion, asking for thoughts]'''
|-
|'''18 March 2008'''
|'''Jonpro'''
|'''[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=112862&oldid=112583 Endorsing a suggestion]'''
|-
|17 March 2008
|Phoenician
|[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=112575&oldid=112566 Link fix for next listing]
|-
|17 March 2008
|Phoenician
|[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=112566&oldid=112565 Note about naming conventions]
|-
|'''17 March 2008'''
|'''Jonpro'''
|'''[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=112550&oldid=111506 Initiating new discussion]'''
|-
|13 March 2008
|Zoey
|[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=111389&oldid=110616 Prettifying The Balcony]
|-
|11 March 2008
|Phoenician
|[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=110247&oldid=110246 Fixing heading for next listing]
|-
|'''11 March 2008'''
|'''Phoenician'''
|'''[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=110246&oldid=109741 Initiating new discussion]'''
|-
|11 February 2008
|Zoey
|[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=102930&oldid=102929 Tiny cleanup: Delinking]
|-
|11 February 2008
|Zoey
|[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=102929&oldid=102083 Tiny cleanup: Delinking]
|-
|'''2 February 2008'''
|'''Zoey'''
|'''[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=101640&oldid=101638 Making a statement on the Jumper issue]'''
|}

There has been no real administrative post on this page since '''10 April 2008''', and no real administrative post by the head admin since '''2 February 2008'''. Just tiny little link fixes and stalling tactics. Even if you disagree with the value of posts and want to go with the first available post, the last ''edit'' of an LGPedia admin on this page was still '''{{#expr:({{#time: U|{{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}}}}-{{#time:U|6 July 2008}})/60/60/24}} days ago'''.

The only person with administrative powers that recently posted on here is BK - and not because of issues in or around of the pedia, but because people questioned a decision made by ''EQAL'' - in other words, hadn't outside forces commanded BK to do an unpopular action, and hadn't somebody questioned that action, he wouldn't have posted here, either. His posts are due to business decisions by EQAL, not because of administrative issues on LGPedia. It's a mere coincidence he posted here, and the fact stands that he is not a real LGPedia admin, either. He's "just" the general community admin. Not directly responsible for LGPedia, and not directly involved in its administrative decisions.

And while you're at it, look at the gaps between posts:

2 February 2008 - '''9 days ''' - 11 February 2008 - '''28 days ''' - 11 March 2008 - '''2 days ''' - 13 March 2008 - '''4 days ''' - 17 March 2008 - '''1 day''' - 18 March 2008 - '''2 days ''' - 20 March 2008 - '''11 days ''' - 31 March 2008 - '''1 days ''' - 1 April 2008 - '''3 days ''' - 4 April 2008 - '''6 days ''' - 10 April 2008 - '''11 days ''' - 21 April 2008 - '''17 days ''' - 8 June 2008 - '''28 days ''' - 6 July 2008 - '''{{#expr:({{#time: U|{{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}}}}-{{#time:U|6 July 2008}})/60/60/24}} days and counting''' - Today
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|{{#expr:({{#time: U|{{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}}}}-{{#time:U|6 July 2008}})/60/60/24}} (time since last touch until today)
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|'''Total:'''
|{{#expr:9+28+2+3+1+2+11+1+3+6+11+17+28+({{#time: U|{{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}}}}-{{#time:U|6 July 2008}})/60/60/24}}
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|'''Average:'''
|{{#expr:(9+28+2+3+1+2+11+1+3+6+11+17+28+({{#time: U|{{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}}}}-{{#time:U|6 July 2008}})/60/60/24)/14}}
|}

So even on the raw data, the average "care time" (i.e. the average amount of days before the administration cares enough to touch the page again) of the administration is '''{{#expr:(9+28+2+3+1+2+11+1+3+6+11+17+28+({{#time: U|{{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}}}}-{{#time:U|6 July 2008}})/60/60/24)/14}} days'''. 
But that includes even stuff that has no administrative value ''at all'', like randomly fixing a dead link on the page (even anonymous users could do that, you don't need to be head admin for that). So, let's take only the significant posts listed above:

2 February 2008 - '''37 days''' - 11 March 2008 - '''6 days''' - 17 March 2008 - '''1 day''' - 18 March 2008 - '''2 days''' - 20 March 2008 - '''12 days''' - 1 April 2008 '''9 days''' 10 April 2008

If you only take the time frame between February 2nd and April 10th, that comes out as an average care time of '''{{#expr:(37+6+1+2+12+9)/6}} days''' between responses. So far so good. But with the lack of any significant administrative action ''to the current day'' factored in, we come to an average of '''{{#expr:(37+6+1+2+12+9+({{#time: U|{{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}}}}-{{#time:U|10 April 2008}})/60/60/24)/7}}'''!

In other words: ''On average, there is an actual statement of the administrators of LGPedia in their position as administrators every {{#expr:((37+6+1+2+12+9+({{#time: U|{{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}}}}-{{#time:U|10 April 2008}})/60/60/24)/7)/7}} weeks on this page.'' Mind, though, that that average includes a particularly "active" period 6 months ago. Remember: The last actual administrative action was on '''April 10th''' - so the average response time for the past {{#expr:(({{#time: U|{{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}}}}-{{#time:U|10 April 2008}})/60/60/24)/30}} months would be '''{{#expr:({{#time: U|{{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}}}}-{{#time:U|10 April 2008}})/60/60/24}} days'''.

As if that alone wasn't shocking/showing enough, consider the following: Of all 7 posts of administrative significance in the past {{#expr:{{CURRENTMONTH}}-02}} months, '''5''' (71.43%) were by Jonpro. The actual Head Administress of LGPedia last made a real contribution to the burning questions of the site '''{{#expr:({{#time: U|{{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}}}}-{{#time:U|2 February 2008}})/60/60/24}} days ago'''.
In other words, if Jonpro ever goes on vacation, the average care time will shoot up to '''{{#expr:(37+({{#time: U|{{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}}}}-{{#time:U|11 March 2008}})/60/60/24)/2}} days'''. 
''Do you see how much they care for your issues?''

To come full circle to the original reason of my post: Just look at all the ''months old'' unresolved issues the administration refuses to take a stance on, take note that the only resolved issues were resolved elsewhere, and then ask yourself: ''If I want something to happen about it - does it really make sense to post my issue ''here''?''

Just thought I'd bring that up - 'cause the balcony keeps popping up in recent changes, but nothing ever actually happens on it. You're wasting your time. '''If you want stuff to happen, this is not the place to post your issues.''' Try taking it to admin talk pages instead. 
Then again...the administration is not famous for seeing notices on pages >_>

Have a nice day :)
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:42, 29 September 2008 (CDT)
:P.S.: If you want to reply to complain that this is spam and not important, please make sure to include an explanation of how LGPedia is supposed to make progress if everything is stalled because the administration doesn't give a shit about what's happening, and doesn't support grassroots motions for change. Thank you.
:: Don't ever say that Renegade is not ace at bearing a grudge. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 21:43, 29 September 2008 (CDT)
::: This is so true and I think that Zoey shouldn't be an admin because she doesn't edit. That goes for all three admins. They should at least be more active or something because that's just ridiculous. Make others admins not me because I don't edit but someone who does.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 18:44, 6 January 2009 (CST)
::::Zoey has over 20,000 edits. She hasn't been active in doing as many edits recently, but I know she is still looking over things. The LGPedia is mostly quieter because the audience got a lot smaller after both KM and LG15 ended. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 23:42, 6 January 2009 (CST)

The Deacons (commenter)

2008-11-25T14:26:14Z

Milowent: Undo revision 146015 by 88.191.49.225 (Talk) revert odd vandal like edit.

{{One other use|the [[LG15 Spin-offs|fanfiction]] [[comment board]] user that posts under the name "The Deacons" and more recently, "Deacons"|the Deacons of [[the Order]] as portrayed in the series|The Deacons}}

==Introduction==
'''"The Deacons"''' began posting in the [[comment board]] on the Lonelygirl15 website after the video [[Life's Not Fair]]. Their messages mainly warn Bree of the consequences of her running away, and beseech her to return to them. They've replied to [[Daniel]] and [[Gemma]] videos as well. At times their posts have been on the mark, leading some users to believe that they might be canon. However, their often contradictory posts, as well as their unfulfilled offer of a video from her parents, have shown them to be fanfiction. Also notable is that when "The Deacons" began posting, usernames were not fixed, which led to several unrelated people posting under the same name. When the member directory was created, "The Deacons" began posting as "Deacons", even though the usernames "The Deacons" and "TheDeacons" were listed. This ocurrence also pointed to fanfiction, as the Creators would surely have taken steps to protect "The Deacons" username if they indeed were using it.

==Marcus==
'''Marcus''' is the self-confessed puppet master of [[The Deacons (commenter)]] spin-off and ARG.

He came forward after much suspicion from followers of the game, having single-handedly retrieved two drops from the game.

Before revealing himself, Marcus was an avid poster who seemed to love the puzzle portions of the Deacons game and was also a staunch supporter of their credibility, citing the accuracy at their posts.

==The posts==
This article includes images of The Deacons' posts when possible. Since they have been prolific in their commentary, sometimes there are too many posts after a certain video, or they may be too long for complete inclusion. Links to the entire post are provided when available. Not all posts by users claiming to be "The Deacons" are discussed. Before the member directory, anybody who wished to post as "The Deacons" were able to, so judgment calls will be made as to what does and does not constitute a legitimate "The Deacons" fanfic comment.

===Life's Not Fair===
After the video [[Life's Not Fair]] a [[Lonelygirl15]] comments board user by the name of "The Deacons" began the first of a series of comments. The content of the post is featured below.

[[Image:Life's Not Fair Deacons post.jpg]]

'''Key terms:'''
*اوريم وتميم - Arabic for Urim and Thummin which is Latin for "Light and Truth"<ref>{{wikipedia|Urim_and_Thummim|Wikipedia article on Urim and Thummin}}</ref>
*Moroni - Moroni is an angel described in the Book of Mormon. He brought the gospel of the Book of Mormon to the founder of the Mormon church.<ref>{{wikipedia|Moroni_%28prophet%29|Wikipedia article on Moroni}}</ref>

The Deacons did not post again until Gemma's [[Learning Egyptian]] video.

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=95&play=1&more=1#comment-10510 Link to comment]

===Learning Egyptian===
Following the [[Learning Egyptian]] video, The Deacons returned and posted another comment.

[[Image: The deacons nov10.jpg]]

'''Key terms:'''
*Ascend/Ascension - has a number of meanings that might apply. "Ascension" can have astrological significance, or it can refer to a person's ascending to Heaven, escaping the physical plane, or achieving enlightenment.<ref>{{wikipedia|Ascension_%28disambiguation%29|Wikipedia disambiguation page for "Ascension"}}</ref>
*Nechemya - Nehemiah was a person in the Bible, believed to be the primary author of the Book of Nehemiah. He was the son of Hachaliah (Neh. 1:1), and probably of the Tribe of Judah. His family must have lived in Jerusalem (Neh. 2:3).<ref>{{wikipedia|Nechemya|Wikipedia article on Nechemya}}</ref>

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=100&play=1&more=1#comment-13635 Link to comment]

===Exploring The Motel===
The Deacons did not post again until [[Exploring The Motel]].

[[Image: The deacons exp.jpg]]

'''Key terms:'''
*Asmodai - semi-Biblical demon mostly known thanks to the deuterocanonical Book of Tobit; he is also mentioned in some Talmudic legends and in demonology, as he is a leading figure in the construction efforts of the Temple of Solomon. Asmodai is one of the Four Princes of Hell, specifically the reigning prince over the Eastern Regions.<ref>{{wikipedia|Asmodai|Wikipedia article on Asmodai}}</ref>
*Sonneillon - an angel of the Sixth Order, said to be the Angel of Hate.<ref>{{wikipedia|Thrones|Wikipedia article on Thrones}}</ref><ref>{{wikipedia|Sonneillon|Wikipedia article on Sonneillon}}</ref>
*Pseudomonarchia Daemonum - the Hierarchy of Demons as stated in Johann Weyer's ''De praestigiis daemonum''.<ref>{{wikipedia|Pseudomonarchia_Daemonum|Wikipedia article on Pseudomonarchia Daemonum}}</ref>
*Origenes Adamantius - early Christian scholar, theologian, and distinguished early father of the Christian Church.<ref>{{wikipedia|Origenes_Adamantius|Wikipedia article on Origenes Adamantius}}</ref>
*Sariel - According to the Book of Enoch, Sariel was one of the leaders of angels who lusted after the daughters of men.<ref name="Sariel">{{wikipedia|Sariel|Wikipedia article on Sariel}}</ref>

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=103&play=1&more=1#comment-13824 Link to comment]

===Someone's Following You===
[[Image:The Deacons Someone's Following You.gif]]

'''Key terms:'''
*Grigori - group of fallen angels told of in Biblical apocrypha who mated with mortal women, giving rise to a race of hybrids known as the Nephilim and described as Giants in Genesis 6:4. Also known as "Watchers" (from Greek egrḗgoroi), the Grigori appear in the books of Enoch and Jubilees.<ref name="Grigori">{{wikipedia|Grigori|Wikipedia article on Grigori}}</ref>
*שמיחזה - Samyaza - a fallen angel of Christian tradition that ranked in the heavenly hierarchy as the leader of the Grigori (meaning "Watchers" in Greek).<ref>{{wikipedia|Samyaza|Wikipedia article on Samyaza}}</ref><ref name=Grigori/>
*Watcher - synonymous to Grigori
*Paimon - In demonology, Paimon is one of the Kings of Hell, more obedient to Lucifer than other kings are, and has two hundred (one hundred to other authors) legions of demons under his rule.<ref>{{wikipedia|Paimon|Wikipedia article on Paimon}}</ref>
*Location 33n57, 117w24
*Independent Order of Odd Fellows - a fraternal organization derived from English Oddfellows orders of the mid-1700s.<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Order_of_Odd_Fellows Wikipedia article on the Independent Order of Odd Fellows</ref>
*Location 32n43, 117w09 - San Diego, California, USA
*Grottoes of North America - The Grotto is a colloquialism for the Mystic Order of Veiled Prophets of the Enchanted Realm, an order appendant to Freemasonry.<ref>{{wikipedia|Grotto_%28disambiguation%29|Wikipedia "Grotto" disambiguation page}}</ref> Alternatively, "Grotto" may be any type of natural or artificial cave that is associated with modern, historic or prehistoric use by humans. When it is not an artificial garden feature, a grotto is often a small cave near water and often flooded or liable to flood at high tide.<ref>{{wikipedia|Grotto|Wikipedia article on Grotto}}</ref>
*Azazel - enigmatic name from the Hebrew scriptures, possibly referring to a fallen angel or Satan.<ref>{{wikipedia|Azazel|Wikipedia article on Azazel}}</ref>
*Nephilim - from Hebrew, meaning ''those who cause others to fall'', nephilim are a people created by the crossbreeding of Grigori and mortal women. The term is loosely translated as "giants" and "titans" in some translations of the Bible.<ref>{{wikipedia|Nephilim|Wikipedia article on Nephilim}}</ref>

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=107&play=1&more=1#comment-15350 Link to comment]

===Man In The Suit===
In the [[Man In The Suit]], the Deacons posted

[[Image: Mits deacons.jpg]]

'''Key terms:'''
*Liturgy of Amon-Ra - Amon-Ra was an Egyptian god initially known as Amun. Amun was the air god, associated with the breath of life. As the popularity of Amun grew, he became known as Amun-Ra and represented the hidden aspect of the sun<ref>{{wikipedia|Amon-ra|Wikipedia article on Amon-Ra}}</ref>
*Yomyael - according to the Book of Enoch, another leader of the Grigori.<ref name=Grigori/><ref>{{wikipedia|Yomyael|Wikipedia article on Yomyael (redirects to "Book of Enoch")}}</ref>

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=108&play=1&more=1#comment-15719 Link to comment]

===Fleeing The Watcher===
The Deacons did not post again until [[Fleeing The Watcher]].
Following [[Fleeing The Watcher]], [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=111&play=1&more=1#comment-16513 The Deacons posted another message.]

[[Image:Ftw deacons.jpg]]

'''Key terms:'''
*Worshipful Master - presiding officer of a Craft or Blue Lodge of [[Freemasonry|Freemasons]]<ref>{{wikipedia|Worshipful_Master|Wikipedia article on Worshipful Master}}</ref>
*Volume of the Sacred Law - in [[Freemasonry]] the Volume of the Sacred Law is always displayed in an open Lodge. It can be whatever religious text that lodge chooses to display.<ref>{{wikipedia|Freemasonry|Wikipedia article on Freemasonry}}</ref><ref>LGPedia article on [[Freemasonry]]</ref>

===Survival Skills===
*Member directory was in place. Began posting as "Deacons".
[[Image:Survival Skills Deacons post.JPG]]

'''Key terms:'''
*Manteuomai - transliteration of ''manteuvomai'', meaning "to act as a seer, deliver a prophecy, divine."<ref>[http://bible.lightsource.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3132&version=kjv Definition of "manteuomai" from lightsource.com]</ref>
*Galatians - likely refers to Saint Paul's Epistle to the Galatians, a book from the New Testament.<ref>{{wikipedia|Epistle_to_the_Galatians|Wikipedia article on the Epistle to the Galatians}}</ref>
*Assembly of the Sacred Wheel - a legally recognized Wiccan non-profit religious organization based in the Mid-Atlantic region. It has 6 covens, one of which might be in operation in the area that The Deacons are instructing Bree to seek.<ref>[http://www.sacredwheel.org/ Assembly of the Sacred Wheel official website, sacredwheel.org]</ref>
*זהריןאל - Sariel (in Aramaic)<ref name=Sariel/>
*Location 33n57,117w24

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=114&play=1&more=1#comment-17064 Link to comment]

===Jonas?===
The Deacons did not post again until [[Jonas?]].

'''Key terms:'''
*Yale's Coat of Arms - The coat of arms of Yale University has the motto "Light and Truth" (in Hebrew) on it. This also translates to "Urim and Thummin", which is the name the Deacons have been using for [[Bree]]. Their mention of Yale's coat of arms might be symbolic of Bree.<ref>{{wikipedia|Yale|Wikipedia article on Yale}}</ref>
*Zephaniah - prophet whose work (''The Book of Zephaniah'') focuses on the day of the Lord and the judgement of God on the entire world.<ref>{{wikipedia|Zephaniah|Wikipedia article on Zephaniah}}.</ref>

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=123&play=1&more=1#comment-20506 Link to comment]

===Homeless===

[[Image:H deacons.jpg]]

'''Key terms:'''
*Pinpoint micro asset tracker
*Location 34° 1′3.35″N 118°28′34.68″W -The coordinates are for Woodlawn Memorial Cemetery in Santa Monica. Address: 1847 14th Street, Santa Monica, CA.

'''Notes:'''

The Deacons' mention of Jonas as Samyaza created some confusion because previously they said the Watcher's name was Samyaza (see the [[The Deacons (commenter)#Fleeing The Watcher|Fleeing The Watcher section]] of this article). "We know that the watcher's name is שמיחזה."

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=125&play=1&more=1#comment-20952 Link to comment]

===The Test===

[[Image:The Test Deacons post.JPG]]

'''Key terms:'''
*Location 33.595925-117.587665
*Aleister Crowley
*Masons
*Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=129&play=1&more=1#comment-23245 Deacons posted]

===Back Home===

[[Image:Back Home Deacons post.JPG]]

*Asakku
*Fires of Molech
*Novus Ordem Seclorum

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=131&play=1&more=1#comment-25528 Deacons posted]

===Gemma, Who Are You?===

[[Image:Gemma Who Are You Deacons post.JPG]]

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=133&play=1&more=1#comment-26912 Deacons posted]

===Skateboarding===

[[Image:Skateboarding Deacons post.JPG]]

'''Key terms:'''
*Double ouroboros
*Genome
*Star of David
*The Cross
*Swastika
*ankh
*HGT
*lytic transformation

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=138&play=1&more=1#comment-31573 Deacons posted]

===Purple Monkey Returns===

[[Image:PMonkey Returns Deacons post.JPG]]

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=148&play=1&more=1#comment-42447 Deacons posted]

===Bree And I Hooked Up===

[[Image:Bree and I Hooked Up Deacons post.JPG]]

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=151&play=1&more=1#comment-44797 Deacons posted]

===Truth or Dare===

[[Image:Truth Or Dare Deacons post.JPG]]]

'''Translation:'''

Thank you for the posted information. They do not suspect a thing. We have the location. The time is soon. For now continue to watch. You have done the Order well.

'''Notes:'''
*Though this post greatly varies from the usual writing style of the Deacons, it's certain that this is authentic since at the time of this post, the member directory was in place.

[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=154&play=1&more=1#comment-46630 Link to comment]

A regular of the [[comment board]] named [[Marcus]] has recovered several drops left by the commenter the Deacons.

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:User Generated Content]]

POW!

2008-11-13T02:39:34Z

Milowent:

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==Notes==
*Reed posted an [[imeem]] playlist with the video entitled [http://www.imeem.com/people/n_lGVHM/playlist/FzOwfXWX/baby_come_back_music_playlist/ POW!].
*Reed claims he's looking for the latest Captain America and Usagi Yojimbo in this comic, however, Captain America was declared dead March 7, 2008 and has not made a comic book appearance since.
*The video title is a reference to the use of words like "POW!" in depicting scenes of fighting in comic books.

Talk:POW!

2008-11-13T02:34:58Z

Milowent: New page: * "Captain America was declared dead March 7, 2008 and has not made a comic book appearance since." now there's a good note. i have no idea if its true, but someone felt compelled to sha...

* "Captain America was declared dead March 7, 2008 and has not made a comic book appearance since." now there's a good note. i have no idea if its true, but someone felt compelled to share this, which makes it cool. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 20:34, 12 November 2008 (CST)

We're Waiting...

2008-10-29T12:59:19Z

Milowent: added lg15 chat log

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'''{{PAGENAME}}''' is a text blog posted by [[Reed]] directly after the video [[Exposed!]].

==Blog==
Maggie. It’s nice to be able to call you by your real name. I’m posting this for you specifically, and I’m hoping you’re able to see it once you have a chance to catch your breath.

Look, I know what it’s like to feel alone. I know what it’s like to think you have nowhere you can go. I’ve been exactly where you are right now. But I want you to know it’s not hopeless. Yes, we know who you are now. And that’s why we want to help you.

There’s no good reason for you not to join us in Pittsburgh (seriously, try to think of one -- I triple dog dare you!). We can help you. Like you said, this fight is far from over, and I know you don’t want to miss out on any of it. You’re motivated -- in a way that none of us could ever be; that makes you possibly the most important addition to our group that we could ever hope for.

You’re incredibly brave and incredibly strong. We’ve seen that. You’ve shown us that. All while being a guide to us -- you’ve helped us out of some really tough situations. All for a greater good.

Let us return the favor. We’ll be in Pittsburgh by the end of the week. You can PM us on lg15.com. You know how to contact us. We’ll be waiting for you.

Fingers crossed,

Reed

PS - In case you’re on the fence, here are my top five reasons you should meet us:

5. All the fast food you could ever want. On me. In short: yum.

4. You can take shotgun whenever we’re in the car.

3. I’ll be your new best friend.

2. Sarah won’t be your new best friend, but she’ll try really really hard to like you.

1. Jonas will give you a thai massage.

PPS - Okay, so I made that last one up, but maybe if I start bugging him now he’ll do it eventually.

PPPPS I made a “Maggie Meet Us in Boston Mix” on [http://www.imeem.com/people/n_lGVHM iMeem]. Dig it.

== Notes ==

A few hours after posting this blog, Reed appeared in the lg15 chatroom.

06:48 reedabook hey guys 
06:48 reedabook [[Jenni_Powell|Jenni!]] 
06:48 reedabook how's it going? 
06:48 reedabook hey [http://www.lg15.com/user_profile/view/10108 Liv!] 
06:49 reedabook are Mouse or [http://www.lg15.com/user_profile/view/10041 Veela] in here? 
06:49 reedabook hey [[User:Modelmotion|model]], whats up? 
06:49 reedabook haha thanks Konstantine, maybe if I ever get my life back we can settle down sometime 
06:49 reedabook hey roy 
06:49 modelmotion howz my emocanonboi today 
06:50 reedabook ugh, dont call me that 
06:50 reedabook (even if it is kinda funny) 
06:50 reedabook for you jennipowell, never 
06:50 reedabook Hey Rose - how've you been? 
06:50 reedabook just killing some time while Jonas gets directions 
06:51 reedabook we're at a rest stop now 
06:51 reedabook Sarah's grabbing some food and I'm just sorta keepin a lookout 
06:51 reedabook Jenni - jonas isn't afraid of anything, EVEN asking for directions 
06:51 reedabook crazy, right? 
06:51 reedabook maybe next time Liv :) 
06:52 reedabook shirley temples are hard to come by, bex 
-14:52:14- [reedabook]: but if i find any more, i will make a video testament to their sweet glory 
-14:52:27- [reedabook]: hey maddz 
-14:52:57- [reedabook]: as soon as I can start vlogging some of my own stuff, definitely 
-14:53:05- [reedabook]: haha 
-14:53:22- [reedabook]: so has anyone heard from Maggie aside from Monday's post? 
-14:53:37- [reedabook]: I really hope she can meet us 
-14:53:42- [reedabook]: where do you guys think she might have gone? 
-14:53:57- [reedabook]: haha, thanks bex 
-14:54:01- [reedabook]: yeah 
-14:54:11- [reedabook]: Jo - if she's in your basement I want proof! 
-14:54:48- [reedabook]: royboy - good call 
-14:54:50- [reedabook]: ill talk to jonas 
-14:54:58- [reedabook]: see if he still has a list of those resistance safehouse places 
-14:55:04- [reedabook]: she could be at one of those 
-14:55:09- [reedabook]: though how HoN would know where they are, I'm not sure 
-14:55:36- [reedabook]: ouch! 
-14:55:38- [reedabook]: Chelsey! 
-14:55:40- [reedabook]: careful! 
-14:55:44- [reedabook]: :) 
-14:55:55- [reedabook]: I've been sitting in a car for like seven hours straight 
-14:56:25- [reedabook]: Jenni, why must you always be right! 
-14:56:42- [reedabook]: trip's going well Rose, I mean, its still a little weird 
-14:56:48- [reedabook]: still havent figured out how to explain all this to my parents 
-14:56:58- [reedabook]: dont worry, bex, i wont 
-14:57:07- [reedabook]: Jonas and Sarah are fine 
-14:57:17- [reedabook]: getting along much better actually 
-14:57:25- [reedabook]: i know chels 
-14:57:30- [reedabook]: and the east coast aint gonna be much better 
-14:57:58- [reedabook]: totally sept, if we get contact from her, we'll make sure any kind of meet up is safe 
-14:58:11- [reedabook]: hahaha 
-14:58:19- [reedabook]: dont worry konstantine, no bath tubs in sight 
-14:58:29- [reedabook]: later Rose! 
-14:58:43- [reedabook]: hey, there are hotel showers! 
-14:58:56- [reedabook]: hey filthy 
-14:59:22- [reedabook]: um, I'm not an expert on Jonas's shower habits, so... 
-14:59:43- [reedabook]: sept - she's totally cool, Estelle and I have been good friends for a while now 
-15:00:43- [reedabook]: thanks Liv! 
-15:00:51- [reedabook]: X-Files is one of my favorite shows (at least, the first five seasons) 
-15:01:08- [reedabook]: haha 
-15:01:26- [reedabook]: crap 
-15:01:28- [reedabook]: I gotta run guys 
-15:01:33- [reedabook]: Jonas and Sarah are ready to split 
-15:01:43- [reedabook]: thanks for chatting guys! 
-15:01:47- [reedabook]: ill try to come back more often 
-15:01:49- [reedabook]: later!!!

Talk:Estelle

2008-10-29T12:41:05Z

Milowent: New page: Estelle? Surely a tribute to Estelle Getty. --~~~~

Estelle? Surely a tribute to Estelle Getty. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 07:41, 29 October 2008 (CDT)

With The Angels

2008-10-28T14:26:20Z

Milowent:

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{{Show/row|Andy|Rene Alvarado}}
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'''With The Angels''' is a web series on Strike.tv created by [[Mary Feuer]] which stars [[lonelygirl15]]'s [[Carly Jones]] and [[Sean Vincent Biggins]]. According to the official description, "With The Angels" tells the fish-out-of-water story of a small-town Arkansas girl named Taffy Simpson who moves to the "freak-infested waters" of Venice, California. The thirty-six episodes cover topics such as God, fame, love, sex, cars, music, TV - and "all the other things we put our faith in."

The show debuted on October 28, 2008. It is slated to run for 36 episodes, and end in late December.

==External Links==

*[http://strike.tv Strike.tv website]

*[http://www.vimeo.com/1510308?pg=embed&sec=1510308 Watch the trailer]

*[http://forum.anchorcove.net/viewforum.php?f=53 Anchor Cove With The Angels subforum]

{{LGOutsideProjects}}

Done Dirt Cheap

2008-10-28T05:03:12Z

Milowent:

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==Transcript==
'''Jonas:''' All right, it's the moment of truth. If Hymn of None's little game plan doesn't work out, then we're screwed.

'''Sarah:''' Why don't we just put our faith in the, ah, faceless zealots because that always works out so well for us.

'''Jonas:''' Well, you know, what was I supposed to do? It's not like we have a lot of options here, Sarah.

'''Sarah:''' Yeah, w- w- we- we're going the wrong way.

'''Jonas:''' What? No we're not.

'''Sarah:''' No, we are. We're supposed to be on the southeast side.

'''Jonas:''' Right. We are on the south east side. (''Turns map upside down'') Try it like that. There you go.

'''Sarah:''' Oh.

'''Jonas:''' Let's go.

(''Cut to Sarah and Jonas inside the building where the Samsaran Doctrine is located. The two walk to a balcony overlooking the book, which is being guarded by a security guard''.)

'''Sarah:''' Ready?

'''Jonas:''' What? Ready? Ready for what?

'''Sarah:''' Just follow my lead. (''Grabs Jonas by the hand and begins pulling him down the stairs'')

'''Jonas:''' What? No!

'''Sarah:''' Come on.

'''Jonas:''' No!

'''Sarah:''' (''Gasp'') Oh my gosh! Would you look at that ceiling? It's- it's just awe- I mean, we don't get things like that at home, do we honey?

'''Security Guard:''' Ma'am? Can you leave this area? Please? Please! (''Points at Jonas'') Shut down the- (''Sarah grabs the book'') Ma'am!

'''Sarah:''' (''Gasp'') The Samsaran Doctrine! It's even more beautiful... Ugh, my eternal song is singing its heart out right now!

'''Security Guard:''' Put the book down now!

(''The security guard tries to grab the book from Sarah's grasp and Jonas punches him in the face. The camera, the security guard, and the book fall to the ground. The security guard grabs Jonas by the legs and pulls him down on the floor with him''.)

'''Security Guard:''' Backup! I need backup!

'''Jonas:''' Sarah! Grab the book!

(''Sarah's hands are seen grabbing the book. Another security guard approaches Jonas and tousles with him. Jonas knocks him to the ground and grabs the camera. He hits the first guard with the camera, knocking him down as well. Jonas begins to run down a hallway and an alarm goes off as he is running.

'''Jonas:''' Shit. Shit, shit, shit.

(''Jonas approaches the exit when another guard knocks him to the ground. The guard grabs the camera and Sarah appears and thwacks him with the Samsaran Doctrine''.)

(''Third security guard approaches and Sarah thwacks with the Samsaran Donctrine)

'''Sarah:''' You ok?

'''Jonas:''' Yeah. (''Grabs the camera'') Come on.

(''The two start running again and burst through a side door''.)

==Notes==
* The title of this video is a reference to the 1976 song "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap" by AC/DC.
* At 0:15, you can see palm trees on the left side of the frame, which is either evidence that this scene was not actually filmed on location in Chicago, or that global warming is much more advanced than previously thought.

Exposed!

2008-10-28T04:58:41Z

Milowent:

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==Transcript==
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==Notes==
* As evidenced by the retail establishments one can see Maggie walking by (Chocolate Factory, EQ3, and Skyblupink), this video was filmed on the 300 block of N. San Fernando Blvd, in Burbank, California.