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User talk:192.168.0.10

2009-12-23T04:09:03Z

Nancypants:

==What??==
OK, so this is crazy....I used to edit on here all the time, but with a different computer. I just got this computer new and it says THIS IP address (MY IP address) has made crazy edits and vandalized stuff. How did this even happen? I don't edit under anything but my username and haven't edited in I don't even know how long. I haven't even visited this page in months and just happened to think of it and come by. Weird.... [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]
:Lol. The IP Address is mine also. I think its a glitch. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 22:16, 22 December 2009 (EST)

::Phew, just didn't want people to think I'd come back after all this time to be a jerk. Thanks =) [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 04:09, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

{{vandal|Crazy Bitch}} [[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:27, 15 October 2009 (EST)
{{vandal|Harper's Globe}} [[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:46, 24 October 2009 (EST)

== Прошу помощи ==

Здоровья всем!
Из-за работы пришлось перебраться в другой город, всю мебель отправили на свалку (старая была), теперь мучаюсь с вопросом обустройства.
Возможно кто то из форумчан, недавно покупал мебель.
Прошу, дайте отзыв о фирме, где брали. Ато боюсь ошибиться.
Буду признателен за информацию. Интересует все. От прихожей до спальни.
Спасибо.

== Can I claim back missold PPI on my un secured loan? ==

This may be a bit off subject...

Is anyone claiming back missold Protection Insurance from their financial institution? If so how close have you come?
Did your bank even reply? Mine has wrote back saying they have no case to answer and I should write to the Ombudsman

User talk:192.168.0.10

2009-12-23T04:08:52Z

Nancypants:

==What??==
OK, so this is crazy....I used to edit on here all the time, but with a different computer. I just got this computer new and it says THIS IP address (MY IP address) has made crazy edits and vandalized stuff. How did this even happen? I don't edit under anything but my username and haven't edited in I don't even know how long. I haven't even visited this page in months and just happened to think of it and come by. Weird.... [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]
:Lol. The IP Address is mine also. I think its a glitch. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 22:16, 22 December 2009 (EST)

::Phew, just didn't want people to think I'd come back after all this time to be a jerk. Thanks =) ~~

{{vandal|Crazy Bitch}} [[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:27, 15 October 2009 (EST)
{{vandal|Harper's Globe}} [[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:46, 24 October 2009 (EST)

== Прошу помощи ==

Здоровья всем!
Из-за работы пришлось перебраться в другой город, всю мебель отправили на свалку (старая была), теперь мучаюсь с вопросом обустройства.
Возможно кто то из форумчан, недавно покупал мебель.
Прошу, дайте отзыв о фирме, где брали. Ато боюсь ошибиться.
Буду признателен за информацию. Интересует все. От прихожей до спальни.
Спасибо.

== Can I claim back missold PPI on my un secured loan? ==

This may be a bit off subject...

Is anyone claiming back missold Protection Insurance from their financial institution? If so how close have you come?
Did your bank even reply? Mine has wrote back saying they have no case to answer and I should write to the Ombudsman

User talk:192.168.0.10

2009-12-22T03:49:19Z

Nancypants:

==What??==
OK, so this is crazy....I used to edit on here all the time, but with a different computer. I just got this computer new and it says THIS IP address (MY IP address) has made crazy edits and vandalized stuff. How did this even happen? I don't edit under anything but my username and haven't edited in I don't even know how long. I haven't even visited this page in months and just happened to think of it and come by. Weird.... [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]

{{vandal|Crazy Bitch}} [[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:27, 15 October 2009 (EST)
{{vandal|Harper's Globe}} [[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:46, 24 October 2009 (EST)

== Прошу помощи ==

Здоровья всем!
Из-за работы пришлось перебраться в другой город, всю мебель отправили на свалку (старая была), теперь мучаюсь с вопросом обустройства.
Возможно кто то из форумчан, недавно покупал мебель.
Прошу, дайте отзыв о фирме, где брали. Ато боюсь ошибиться.
Буду признателен за информацию. Интересует все. От прихожей до спальни.
Спасибо.

== Can I claim back missold PPI on my un secured loan? ==

This may be a bit off subject...

Is anyone claiming back missold Protection Insurance from their financial institution? If so how close have you come?
Did your bank even reply? Mine has wrote back saying they have no case to answer and I should write to the Ombudsman

User:Nancypants

2008-12-24T01:33:48Z

Nancypants:

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2008-10-25T02:08:46Z

Nancypants: New page: {{Vandal|Breeniversisms}}

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2008-10-25T02:08:10Z

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User:Nancypants

2008-10-04T01:07:13Z

Nancypants: making no promises but I am less busy than I was so I'm semi back

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Bree

2008-10-04T01:05:14Z

Nancypants: Reverted edits by 117.74.97.174 (Talk); changed back to last version by 72.77.92.44

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'''Bree Avery''' (born '''Bronislava''', October 26th, 1989 — August 3rd, 2007) a.k.a. '''lonelygirl15''' was the original star of the Lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]], best friend (and sometimes love interest) to [[Daniel]] (a.k.a. Danielbeast) and queen of the "[[Proving Science Wrong (series)|Proving Science Wrong]]" skits. The backstory of this vivacious young homeschooler began shrouded in much mystery, as each episode revealed bits and pieces of her life and activities. All of her initial videos took place in her [[Bree's bedroom|bedroom]], but she left home on the run from [[the Order]] in November 2006. Bree died in the finale of Season 1 of Lonelygirl15 in August 2007.

==Background==
In "[[Mysteries of My Past... REVEALED!]]", Bree gave a little rundown of all her travels. According to Bree, she was born in America, and moved to New Zealand when she was eight years old where she picked up a bit of Maori [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=2649&p=55813&hilit=#p55813]. While there, her family lived in a [[commune]] next to a small town. At age ten, Bree's family visited the Northern Territory of Australia. At the age of twelve, they moved to Nottinghamshire England, and resided there for two years. After England, they finally settled down in their Californian home in the United States.

===Schooling===
Bree mentioned many times in her early video that she was homeschooled, but she also revealed that she had previously attended a traditional public school at least two times. Her first school was in [[New Zealand]], where she was removed after her parents witnessed a lack of discipline. Her second attempt at public school was in the U.S. where she made two friends, [[Cassie]] and [[Daniel]]. Cassie was uncomfortable with Bree's religion and stopped hanging out with her after she left school. Daniel and Bree stayed best friends.

Bree's parents removed her from the school when she became the subject of ridicule, rumors, and hostilities from fellow classmates. In "[[Poor Pluto]]" Bree says that students made fun of her for asking too many astronomy questions in a science class. They started calling her [[Stargirl]] and when she continued asking questions they suggested she was having a relationship with the teacher. Daniel later said in "[[I Want to Take Bree to a Party!]]" that he hadn't thought the teasing was that big of a deal. Bree had remarked in comments to her YouTube videos that she'd like to go back to public school.

Bree loved learning, and was interested in astronomy, quantum physics, history, and evolution. Her studies were quite advanced for a secondary education level.

===The Fake Ceremony===
[[Image:Breemontage.jpg|thumb|right|285px|Freeze frames of Bree from her video blogs.]]
Bree posted her [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails|first video]] on June 16, 2006 on the video sharing site [[YouTube]]. With the help of her best friend Daniel, she opened her life to thousands of viewers on YouTube. While her first five videos were playful, she was willing to post "[[My Parents Suck...]]", opening her feelings to several viewers.

Tensions began to run high between Daniel and Bree when she was asked to perform a [[The Ceremony|ceremony]] later in the fall as a part of religion. Along with several other fans, Daniel was curious that the Ceremony was nothing good, and began to follow Bree and her Helper, [[Lucy]] to see if something was afoot. After posting videos of himself following her, Bree got [[Daniel Crossed The Line|angry]] at Daniel for stalking her, and asked him not to do it anymore. Nevertheless, Daniel remained worried about Bree and continued to follow her.

Bree explained that she had to undergo rigorous preparation for the Ceremony. She had a special [[Bree's diet|diet]], took [[Iron pills|iron supplements]], received [[Bree's injections|injections]] of a then undisclosed substance, learned the rare language of [[Enochian]] and practiced exercises and walking steps with her new helper Lucy. The reasons for many aspects of her preparation remain unclear. Her [[Bree's injections|injections]], and supplements in particular, sparked the curiosity of many viewers.

On October 12th, 2006, Daniel followed Bree to a nearby forest where he believed he witnessed her performing the Ceremony. Bree's videos following the event appeared to have confirmed this, until Daniel and fans noticed she still had gauze on her arm, meaning she was still receiving injections, which began to raise questions. These questions were validated when Bree posted the video "[[I Lied To Daniel]]", where she admitted that the event that took place on October 12th was nothing more than a fake Ceremony to draw Daniel into the open. It was this that began to make Bree question her faith.

Bree went to her parents for help, and they told her she didn't have to perform the Ceremony. While Bree's parents were supportive, the higher ups of her faith - the [[Deacon]]s - felt that it was [[Life's Not Fair|unacceptable to back out]] of the Ceremony because it was too late to find a replacement. As a result, Bree's parents told her to stay at Daniel's until they discussed with the Deacons further.

Little did Bree and Daniel know that the Deacons would actually take her parents with them soon after. With a note hidden in [[Purple Monkey]] from her father telling her to leave the house with Daniel, Bree began her life on the run from [[the Order]].

===Life On the Run===
While they originally traveled from motel to motel, both Bree and Daniel became desperate enough to where they began living off the streets. Unsure of what to so next, and finally breaking down, the two asked for advice on what to do. [[Gemma]], Bree's friend from England told them it would be best if they simply went home. A new face, [[Jonas]], suggested they come stay with him, for he had a large empty house to himself and enough money to help them out.

While Bree wanted to go to Jonas immediately, Daniel thought it was best to ask their friends on [[lonelygirl15.com]], who have been following Bree and Daniel via their video blogs since the beginning. After coming to a vote, fans suggested that it was best if they both go to Jonas.

[[Image:Christmas 2006.jpg|thumb|right|210px|X-Mas 2006 - Owen's a great photographer!]]
As they arrived at the meeting area, Daniel decided that he wasn't willing to go to Jonas', despite what Bree or their online friends had chosen. The day ended with Bree going with Jonas and Daniel heading home. However, by [[Christmas Surprise|Christmas morning]], Daniel had changed his mind and joined Bree and Jonas.

While with Jonas, Bree made contact with her [[Drew Avery|father]], who left a [[Bree Phone Home puzzle|coded message]], telling her that he had to meet her alone. Soon after Christmas, Bree went to meet him, when she disappeared. Daniel and Jonas managed to crack the code just in time to catch up with Bree and her father. They were able to rescue Bree, but her father was [[The Unthinkable Happened|shot and killed]] by members of the Order.

Before her father died however, he provided her [[Opening the Box|with information]] on why the Order wanted Bree to perform the Ceremony. It was also revealed that Bree's father was trying to make Bree undesirable to the Order by giving her the injections.
After her father's death, Bree stated that she wouldn't be talking to her mother anytime soon - yet it was undetermined whether this was because she was upset that her parents lied to her, if she was unable to contact her due to safety concerns, or if perhaps she was a loyal high ranking member of the Order.

After that murderous day, the trio went back to Jonas's house where Bree refused to talk about what happened for several days. Bree also rejected Daniel's attempts to advance their on-and-off relationship, which Daniel reacted by going to "[[Minor_locations#Pins_and_Pints|Pins & Pints]]", trying to meet the local girls but only getting drunk. On his second trip to Pins & Pints, Daniel was kidnapped by the Order and [[Miss Me?|held ransom]] to force Bree into performing the Ceremony.

With the help of [[Tachyon]] and Brother, Bree and Jonas were able to rescue Daniel. However, the Order soon found the location of Jonas's home, and they were forced to flee to a cabin. While there, Bree began to believe that Jonas was part of the Order. Before she knew the truth, she tied Jonas up and was willing to leave him at the cabin; however Jonas [[Proving Bree Wrong|proved Bree wrong]] and much apologizing ensued.

In early March, the trio decided to stay with Jonas's Aunt [[Alex]] for a short time. They soon found out, though, that Alex was part of the Order. Leaving Alex, the trio traveled to Las Vegas where they were captured by a [[Shadow]], then drugged, and interrogated by members of the Order. After [[Communication Terminated|escaping]], they decided to follow Alex to Mexico. There, they learned from her that [[The Perfect Beach|the Order no longer needed Bree]].

They soon fled Mexico to an old [[The bunker|Resistance bunker]] in the second half of April, where Bree began to search out the possibility that the Order had found [[New Girl|another girl]] to perform the Ceremony. Coming to the conclusion that the Order had chosen [[Jules|Julia Anderson]] to perform the Ceremony, the three friends journeyed to Zavalla, Texas to try and stop her. There, she met up with [[Taylor]] and [[Sarah]], who were willing to help Bree save Julia. Unfortunately, Julia contacted the Order and Bree agreed to [[What the F*@k???|go with them]] in Julia's stead.

After her surrender, Bree was apparently brainwashed and filmed [[Sing With Me|promotional videos]] for the Hymn of One. While Bree was apparently content with fellow members of the Hymn of One, there appeared to be someone on the [[TCC|inside]] communicating to Daniel and Jonas.

Daniel and Jonas utilized the clues from this mysterious informant, successfully rescuing Bree from the Order, although against her will. Initially after the rescue, she seemed [[Bedside Manner|unresponsive and brainwashed]], but after a few days, she appeared to regain control over her mind. She briefly began a [[HOLY SH%T!!!|relationship]] with Jonas, but then immediately [[Going Home|fled]] and returned to the Hymn of One willingly.

===The Ceremony===
[[Image:0254-BreeLyingDownEyesClosed.jpg|thumb|right|210px|Her final moments . . .]]
After reuniting with the Hymn of One, Bree began making more recruitment videos (which continued to have coded messages). It became clear that she was being prepared for the Ceremony once more, and that there was little time for her friends to save her. In [[A Week to Remember|her final recruitment video]], Bree claimed that she felt joy, as well as encouragement from her deceased father. She also had reunited with her mother while staying with fellow Hymn of One members. Bree revealed that her mother had a role in preparing her for the Ceremony.

Though her friends did everything in their power to [[lonelygirl15 Season One Finale|rescue her]], on August 3rd, 2007, Bree completed the Ceremony. It was revealed that the Ceremony was nothing but a ploy for the young girl's blood to be collected and administered into an elder from the Order, which resulted in her death.

The tragic day ended in a further revelation as Jonas received a voice message from Bree for him and Daniel. In the message, Bree revealed that she was aware of her actions and that she decided to perform the Ceremony to protect Daniel and Jonas because she loved them both.

A recurring theory among fans, once raised by the [[:Category:Claire's blogs|LaRezisto videos]] in Season 2, is that Bree may still be alive.

==Family==
===The Averys===
[[Image:P Monkey Note.jpg|thumb|right|285px|The Note from Bree's Dad]]
In "[[How My Parents Met]]", Bree revealed that her [[Elizabeth Avery|mother]] and [[Drew Avery|father]] met in London during the intermission of the play ''[[Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead]]''. Apparently the two got into a heated argument about the central theme of the play and (according to Bree) her father, Drew Avery, was "smitten like a kitten". In the same episode, Bree also divulged that her father studied medicine at {{wikipedia|Oxford}}.

Bree's mother, Elizabeth Avery, was [[Losing My Religion|later revealed]] to have studied at the University of Edinburgh [[Living In London|with Gemma's mother]], having at least one class of philosophy with her. It was there that Bree's mother became introduced to the [[Hymn of One]].

It appeared obvious that her parents were strictly religious. This was one reason that Bree was homeschooled. In the video, "[[Learning To Drive]]", Bree told [[Daniel]] that her parents are not the [[The Order|Order of Denderah]], presumably a reference to her [[Hymn of One|religion]].

===Birth Parents===
In "[[My Dad Said...]]", viewers learned that Bree's parents were not actually her biological parents. This was apparently revealed to Bree soon before her father was shot, and may have been what she and her father were talking about in "[[The Unthinkable Happened]]". Because she was still mourning for the loss of the man she knew as her father, Bree wasn't very open and didn't discuss her thoughts of the fact that the people she called her parents weren't her biological parents. It has been confirmed that baby girls who are trait positive are adopted by HoO members to be raised for the Ceremony.

It is revealed in the fourth part of Bloodlines (the finale to Season 2) that Bree was born to a young mother in Russia, and was originally named Bronislava. She and her sister, [[Gina]], were purchased by Verdus and taken to America. Bree went to the Averys to be raised as their own, and Gina was given to Dr. Hart for use as a test subject.

==Friends==
[[Image:J bree.jpg|thumb|right|200px|P. Monkey's her friend, but at one point he was "like a cancer" - Daniel]]
Traveling around the world at a young age and being homeschooled essentially denied Bree having many friends.

While in England, she became good friends with a dog. Bree revealed that the dog was her only friend when living there (The dog's owner, was later revealed to be [[Gemma]])

During her venture into high school, she befriended a young woman named [[Cassie]], who was in Daniel's class (although he claimed he didn't recognize the name). Bree says that everyone made fun of Cassie and that they used to walk around the track together. They initially spent time together, but Cassie was uncomfortable with Bree's religion. Cassie and Bree also got into trouble one time for prank calling, a past time that Cassie apparently enjoyed more than Bree. After Bree returned to homeschooling, she and Cassie stopped spending time together.

As a result of Bree's solitude, she had befriended many stuffed animals. Bree's stuffed animal friends were [[Purple Monkey|P. Monkey]], [[Owen]], and [[Thor]], and she utilized them as puppets or props in various episodes.

During a party in the Summer of 2006, Bree met Daniel's Friends [[Paul]] and [[Andrea]]. She liked them a lot and the foursome made plans to go bowling together. It is unclear if they ever went bowling.

Since being on the road for several months, it is became clear she had two confident friends in Daniel and Jonas. Her friendship with them (along with the death of her father) had slowly made her lose interest in her stuffed animal friends.

Before being taken by the Order Bree befriended [[Taylor]], and became acquainted with Taylor's [[Sarah|sister]] too.

==Notes==
===Religion===
''Main Articles: [[The Order]], [[Hymn of One|The Hymn of One]], [[The Ceremony]]''

Not much is known for sure about [[Hymn of One|Bree's religion]], which was the source of a great deal of debate because of its role in [[The Ceremony]]. Fans initially speculated that it was related to [[Thelema]], but this was dismissed by [[Gemma]] in "[[Learning Egyptian]]", who claimed that it is not a religion at all. Rather, Bree's "religion" was a front for a secret society known as [[the Order]]. That said religion has since been revealed to be called The Hymn of One.

*'''Diet'''
In order to participate in [[The Ceremony]] Bree had to eat [[Bree's diet| a special diet]].

*'''Bree's injections'''
For a discussion of Bree's injections [[Bree's injections|go here]]. Bree was also taking [[Iron pills]] which were thought to be a compliment to the injections.

===Bree's bedroom===
[[Image:Breesdesk2.JPG|thumb|Probably the best view of Bree's workstation that we'll ever get.]]
Most of the early Lonelygirl15 videos took place in [[Bree's bedroom]]. Because her camera was on her computer, and her computer faced one side of the room, we normally only saw one side of the room. In the video "[[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]]", the webcam was carried by Bree as she followed Daniel around the room, helping us see every angle of her room. The only good shot we might ever get of Bree's workstation (her desk and computer) is at the right, a snapshot taken from the video.

===Etymology===
*Bree is the anglicized form of the Irish Gaelic female name Brígh, which means "power" or "high." Fans began to speculate that Bree's name may refer to her importance to [[the Order]] in that it may be that her Ceremony was designed as an initiation into a ''high'' position entailing ''power.''

*Alternatively, the video "[[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]]" makes an implicit link between the name ''Bree'' and ''Brie cheese''.

*Since the confirmation of Bree's last name, fans have noted that Bree's full name (Bree Avery) is a play on the word "bravery."

*In the [[Bloodlines: Part 4|Season 2 Finale]], it was revealed that Bree's first name was once Bronislava. The feminine form of Bronislaw, the name contains the Slavic elements ''bron'' (meaning "protection") and ''slav'' (meaning "glory").<ref>[http://www.behindthename.com/name/bronisl16aw BRONISŁAW.] Behind the Name; the etymology and history of first names</ref>

==See also==
*[[Theories About Characters#Bree|Theories about Bree]]
*[[Breeniverse Timeline|Bree's timeline]]

==References==
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2008-09-04T23:48:44Z

Nancypants:

{{GoneHiking|going to Bible college|the tenth of Never when she's not so busy!}}

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2008-09-04T23:48:28Z

Nancypants:

{{GoneHiking|Going to Bible college|the tenth of Never when she's not so busy!}}

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Template talk:Init

2008-08-20T19:22:19Z

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==Examples==
<nowiki>{{Init|Bree}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Bree}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Daniel}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Daniel}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Jonas}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Jonas}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Gemma}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Gemma}}

<nowiki>{{Init|OpAphid}} =</nowiki> {{Init|OpAphid}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Tachyon}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Tachyon}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Brother}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Brother}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Nikki Bower}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Nikki Bower}}

<nowiki>{{Init|the Order}} =</nowiki> {{Init|the Order}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Taylor}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Taylor}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Jules}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Jules}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Cassieiswatching}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Cassieiswatching}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Sarah}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Sarah}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Spencer}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Spencer}}

<nowiki>{{Init|War Pylol}} =</nowiki> {{Init|War Pylol}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Alex}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Alex}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Kate}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Kate}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Charlie}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Charlie}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Gavin}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Gavin}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Tariq}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Tariq}}

<nowiki>{{Init|The Creators}} =</nowiki> {{Init|The Creators}}

<nowiki>{{Init|12in12}} =</nowiki> {{Init|12in12}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Claire}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Claire}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Steve}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Steve}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Hymn of One}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Hymn of One}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Sophie}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Sophie}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Jamie Bell}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Jamie Bell}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Emma}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Emma}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Mallory}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Mallory}}

<nowiki>{{Init|anything else}} =</nowiki> {{Init|anything else}}

== The Order ==

I tried putting {{Init{{!}}The Order}} on the Main Page entry for Subjects Apprehended, but it wasn't working correctly. I'm not sure what could be wrong. Would you mind checking that out, Jay? 
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 01:00, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

:OH, ugh... it's case sensitive. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 08:27, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

::wow, that was simple. I should have looked to see how it was typed in on the working example. Thanks for fixing it. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 08:55, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

== Apologies ==

Thanks for getting that right, Jay. I guess I should know what I'm doing before I change a template on the Main Page. Luckily, I noticed it within about a minute and no real harm done. I actually think I had it pretty much right--just forget the <nowiki>"}}"</nowiki> for the if.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 08:49, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

:No worries at all. This template was really poorly designed because when I made it I didn't know about the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions#.23switch: #switch] function. I've rewritten the template to use #switch and it's now ''very'' easy to add new people to the template. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:57, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

== OTS ==

Misty, I assume you got "OTS" from the [[:Image:0173-Whiteboard.jpg|whiteboard]] in [[About The Gun]], but do we even know what it means yet? Why do you think it should be used here instead of "ORD"?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:56, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
:Actually I thought for a long time that it should be OTS, because thats how the videos identify themselves "Transmission OTS - 0135 - 09 ", so I figured that OTS was trhe identifier for the subdivision of the order who transmitted the videos, when it showed up on the whiteboard that confirmed to me that I was right. And from later videos we could see that these videos were not made by someone representing the mainstream of the order, or else they wouldn't have been killed by the watchers for violating Bree's free will. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 19:24, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

::Okay, thanks for explaining. I hadn't noticed the "Transmission OTS" thing in the descriptions.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:28, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

:::OTS can stand for many many things, and we have not been told what OTS means in this context. One of the suggestions on the comment boards is that it means "On The Scene" since that is some kind of military slang. It could also stand for Ordo Templis Satanis (if you can believe the internet, anyway). Here's a list of other meanings OTS could have ([http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/on+the+scene link])--I'm not saying they all apply, but just to give you an idea. The creators stated at the forum that the videos were posted by the order and made no further statements as to what they might be calling themselves. I think OTS at this point is vague enough that we shouldn't be jumping to the conclusion that this is what the Order calls itself. Transmission On The Scene, actually sounds very viable to me. Having said that, I'm going to change it back to Order, with the request that this not be changed again until we know with certainty that is should be something else. Although ORD not as accurate as I would like (I'd like to know what branch we're talking about, for instance), it's at least not ''inaccurate''. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:15, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

== Taylor ==

Well, I guess we need to add Taylor to our init template. Should she be '''Tay''' or maybe '''Soc★'''? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 20:40, 16 May 2007 (CDT)
My vote is for "Soc★", since it's the best abrev. for soccerstar. For some reason Zoey keeps removing the ★ without any explanation. Soc★ is what JayHenry Proposed and no one voiced an objection, so I think that we should keep it that way until there is some evidence to show a concensus for removing the ★. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 01:47, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

: I enjoy having the star. Although the only reason I made the decision so quickly was because the main page templates don't work correctly without ''something'' in the init template, so I'm definitely open to discussion. I wonder if there's a browser problem. On an older browser the star might not display or display as something completely different? I thought it was a symbol that anyone could display. Zoey, are you seeing a five-point star after the letters "Soc" or something different? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:20, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

::Heh, I didn't even know that it was a symbol. No, it's just displaying as a box to me. Like that. Although.. now I'm not sure how that box will display on YOUR screens. But yes, it just looks like a box to me. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 10:29, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

::: That's what i was afraid of... darn, the star is so cool! Let me see if there are other star symbols we can try. (btw, your box displayed as a question mark for me). --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:35, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

:::: From {{Wikipedia|Star_%28glyph%29|Stars}}: Here are a handful of star symbols -- <big>* ٭ ★✶✴ ⋆ ★ ☆ </big>. Do any of them work in an older browser? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:39, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

:::::The first two display for me, the others are boxes. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 10:41, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

:::::: '''Soc<big>٭</big>''' or '''Soc<big>*</big>'''? Hmm... I'm just not sure if everyone is going to get that it's a star with those symbols. Any other ideas?? It ''might'' be possible to upload a really small star image. I remember experimenting with a similar idea once and it cause problems, but I know a lot more about wikitext now. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:49, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

Hrm, well we do have this [[Image:Star.gif]]. Which is an image... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 10:51, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

:We could reupload a green one? Or do we think that either of the asterisks is good enough? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:12, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

::I say reupload a green one where the bottom isn't cut off, and that way every browser sees it, and it's not a tiny asterisk. [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 15:20, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

::: I temporarily changed it to one of the asterisks. Once we get a working green star image, let's switch to that. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:46, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

::::Um... I see the star now, FYI. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 00:38, 18 May 2007 (CDT)

:: I uploaded a star image and changed the template to use it everyone should see it now -[[User:Misty|misty]] 18:31, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

If your Browser supports UTF-8 encoding (which includes every Mac browser, every Gecko Browser for any platform and from what Chelseyrl said IE), then you can see all the stars. if you can't see it in any of those Browsers then you have disabled encoding detection, and set the encoding to something other than UTF-8. If you want to accomodate everyone who did that you need to use the standard asterisk (shift-8). -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:07, 18 May 2007 (CDT)
: OK I found out why some people are getting boxes and others are getting stars. Apparently windows doesn't have a complete unicode font that comes with it, but MS Office does. So if you have Office installed you will have Arial MS Unicode, which has all the stars. If you don't have office you need to download a unicode font. One that I know of is [http://code2000.net/CODE2000.ZIP Code2000] -[[User:Misty|misty]] 01:30, 20 May 2007 (CDT)

== Color Match ==

I think te colors here should match the colors for the character page. Daniel should be MidnightBlue, Taylor should be SkyBlue. if no one objects I'm going to make that change tomarrow morning -[[User:Misty|misty]] 21:44, 16 May 2007 (CDT)
:'''Strong support.''' Oh yes, color match! :) I'm in <3 with organization. Misty, you rock. [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 15:19, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

:: I think they should match, but Taylor should be green on both initials and her character box because it's the color of her YouTube channel.[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=soccerstar4ever] --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:25, 17 May 2007 (CDT)
::: Well none of the other characters match their YouTube channel, and green already is Owen's color. I'll wait till we have consensus to make the change -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:50, 18 May 2007 (CDT)

:::: Okay, I vote '''yes''' to change the color boxes to match their profiles. But if the initials for the characters get changed, I might get upset. I know Op is all matching, but she has an AphidPerson template, not a Person template. Any thoughts on not using AphidPerson anymore? Person is looking way better, I must say. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 08:59, 19 May 2007 (CDT)

::::: it seems that everyone who's spoken up wants the init colors to match the profile colors. I'm setting the colors to match the profiles and changing the profile colors for the aphid characters to make them unique -[[User:Misty|misty]] 20:47, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

== Made Jules init ==

I made an init for Jules as well. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 10:54, 20 May 2007 (CDT)

:Hm, I was thinking that CMJ24 was a bit long. Maybe it would look better as Jul? Or J24? Or something. I don't know, I'm not personally crazy about it now, although I do like the use of colors! What do people think? (EDIT: Or how about just CMJ? I actually think that would look best...) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:32, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

::Well, I went for CMJ24 to make the colors more differentiated from LG. Pink and pink makes it well... too pink. I made the "24" small like the "TKO" in JTKO so that it's not too long. The options - CMJ24, CMJ24, CMJ, J24, JUL, JUL24, JUL, JULA (for Andersen), or CMJ. I personally lean toward CMJ24. What about you? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 15:45, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
:::I like CMJ because it sticks to her username, but cuts out the numbers, which we did do with others (like Bree). It keeps it from looking too long, which was my main concern with CMJ24. I agree that it's too pink though... maybe we should pick another color for her profile/her initials? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 12:58, 18 June 2007 (CDT)
::::I noticed that we had no red initials, so I made it red. But then I saw that Jules's person box on her page was HotPink. And that made it a little bit too similar to Bree, in my opinion. So, maybe we should change the profile box and the initials to red? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 14:00, 18 June 2007 (CDT)
:::::Red for both sounds good. I can go ahead and do that if there are no objections... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:43, 18 June 2007 (CDT)
::::I'm happy with any change that'll put some 'color distance' between Bree's and Jules' initials. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 19:06, 18 June 2007 (CDT)
:::::We already agreed that we should use the same color for a character everywhere, so if you want jules to be red, you can't just do it here and on the profile, you also need to do it on the actor's page, and the list of characters page. This means, we then would have to change Color for Alex since Red is Already Alex's Color, and we have established a unique color for each characters on the list of characters page. I suggest that we have decide on the official color for each actor/character, and only allow changes when they don't conflict with another character's color and when there is a reason for the change it. Since when making the change from hotpink to red for Jules, it wasn't made everywhere, and since we haven't decided on a new color for Alex, I'm temporarily changing it back to HotPink until we establish, official colors. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 06:11, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

== Made CiW init ==

I just made an init for Cassieiswatching. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 11:07, 20 May 2007 (CDT)

== Sarah ==
Hm, I'm not sure about the SkyIE for Sarah. It's kind of misleading. And it is not the name of her Youtube or anything, just her Myspace. Maybe we'd be better keeping it "Sar" for now? I think it would be clearer to people. Because I'm [[Talk:Sarah|definately not the only one]] who was confused. Thoughts please?? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:36, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
: I really liked SkyIE - Like someone said, its consistant with the other V-Bloggers in that their initials are abbreviations of their Usernames. That, and it shows that we pay attention to this kind of thing. Besides, maybe the creators have a future Revver/YouTube account ready to be activated soon with a similar name. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:25, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
::On a further note, if people are confused, they can simply click on the Initial Tag . . . and then they'll know why SkyIE is so. At least for now . . . . --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:47, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
:::Just popping in for a bit. I think the use of Sarah's screenname as the Init is consistent, but I don't like SkyIE. When I saw it the first time I thought "hey maybe this is some weird error message because I'm using Internet Explorer?". I know, weird. Still, SkyIE just doesn't have the same catchiness as LG, DB, Jtko or even G19. Perhaps just Sky would be better? And maybe in black? Sarah would want it in black, I think. ;)
:::[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:45, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
::::Okidokes, here's what I had in mind. It looks a little plain on here, but if you put it in the Main Page and preview, it looks nice and Sarah-ish. We can leave out the IE, it's not crucial. Even LG15 became LG in the Init template. All righty, take it away!
::::[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:56, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
::::: ::thumbs up:: ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 22:58, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

::::::Yay, OiC lives! Good to hear from you and I hope you're doing well on your travels. And I like the black "Sky". It does look very Sarah-ish.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 23:03, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
::::I'm fine with Sky, and I definitely think Sarah would prefer Black! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:16, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
::::: Sky is great. But I am not sure about black. Main page has lots of black bold stuff. One more piece of black text just wouldn't catch the eye like LG or Jtko do. Dark red maybe?
:::::: Sky by itself doesn't have the right feel for Sarah, what about SIE? I had my doubts about SkyIE, and almost changed it to SIE right away. If we Use SAR then we are ignoring the convention we have been using all along, and you know how crazy I get about inconsistency -[[User:Misty|misty]] 23:33, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
:::::Maybe SIE, but with the IE notably smaller? That way people unfamiliar with "SkyisEmpty" see a BIG 'S' for Sarah, but we still have the smaller capital letters "IE" to remain consistant. Oy, did that even make sense?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 00:09, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
::::::Hm, I kinda like that idea.. :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 19:06, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

==Warpylol==
I'm not sure how to make these things. could someone make a Warpylol one? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 20:07, 29 June 2007 (EST)
:I created one ({{Init|War Pylol}}), the color needs to be changed though. I just wanted to get it up. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:55, 29 June 2007 (CDT)

==Spencer==
I created a Spencer template ({{Init|Spencer}}) because I figure we should be expecting a blog from him soon. We need color suggestions though, any thoughts? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:55, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
:Okay, so based on precedence, we prefer an initial of the character's username, but something that's also easily recognizable and simple. So right now, I think {{Init|Spencer}} is just a tad too 'complex' for lack of a better word. Perhaps "Lab Rat" in all caps, and with RAT considerably smaller? As for color, how about gray? Keep in mind that I'm less attached to my color suggestion than my initial suggestion . . . . --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 22:32, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
::EDIT - Hold on, I just realized that LABrat isn't too much of an initial is it? So perhaps LRAT, with the RAT reasonably smaller? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 22:34, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
::I did {{Init|Spencer}} because of LAlabrat which is his Youtube/Myspace screen name. LA (for LA) LR (for Lab Rat)... I changed the color to lime to match with his "Favorite color"... how's it look? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:10, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

== Lonelydude15 ==

The lonelydude15 parody series blogger needs an init. It could be like an LD with a green or blue color.
: unofficial blogs don't use template:init, I removed the buggy usage from the lonleydude15 video pages -[[User:Misty|misty]] 01:53, 10 July 2007 (CDT)
:If unofficial blogs do not use Template:Init, then why is there initials for [[Paulmark18]]? [[The Creators]] haven't told us that they're [[canon]], have they? God, I hope not. They're horrible actors. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 13:20, 15 July 2007 (CDT)

== 24? ==

I think we should add a 24 on the end of Jules init because her username IS sort of CallMeJule24. Even though her account is probably inactive, it will clean things up a bit. What do you think? Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 01:23, 10 July 2007 (CDT)
:Please read previous discussions before suggestion new ideas. [[Template_talk:Init#Made_Jules_init]] decided that we were going to leave the 24 out. Thanks. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:11, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

== KateModern characters ==

the characters of katemodern should have inits
so i tried to make some
but they all got deleted
:I imagine that's because its still a little early right now. Initials are created knowing both the username of the character (the lettering) as well as their personality (usually an influence of color, like Sarah's). Let a few videos air, I'm sure we'll be needing them then. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 22:32, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

== HoO ==

I think we should add a initial for the HoO. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 01:17, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
:Seeing as how we haven't had any videos that have been credited "Hymn of One" as the vlogger, I'd say this isn't necessary yet. So far, every HoO video is actually credited with "Bree" on the video itself, and that is the info we use to determine who the blogger is. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:31, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
::Right. Considering HoO as the blogger may be credited later as a HoO video on account of Bree not ''really'' making, editing, writing, posting, or really doing anything with the blogs. She just reads what TCC tells her too, but I guess this isn't top priority right now. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 01:38, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
:::We actually had some questions about who was posting what a while ago, and to solve it definitively, the Creators started "signing" the blogs so we know who officially posted them. If we ever get a blog crediting the HoO, or the Creators ever go back and recredit some of the old blogs, I would see a need for a HoO initial, however right now, I do not think it is necessary. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:43, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
:So after the latest vid, we may have to come up with a HoO sig, or maybe just a Carl and/or Sonia sig(s). Thoughts? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 19:19, 14 August 2007 (CDT)
::I agree [[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]]
:::Yeah, you see, NOW we need a HoO initial! You know what would be good? HoO! {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Aug. 14, 07 - 8:07 PM}}
:::Got one: [[Hymn of One|HoO]] {{User:-R_/SignatureD|Aug 14 07 - 8:10 PM}}

== Kate ==

When we do an init for Kate, I think it should be AH for abstract heart, and the two letters should be different colors because she is an artist.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])

:::Here i made it. What do you think?{{init|Kate}}--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] ([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])

I made the templates for the other characters, but kept them all red, at least for now. Possibly later, once we know the characters better, we can switch them, but for right now, I actually think it looks kind of nice and consistant to keep the color that same "main" KM red color. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:31, 15 July 2007 (CDT)

Since we already know though that Kate is colorful shouldn't we just do what i did. The two colors.

:No, we really don't know much about Kate at this point, as she hasn't even posted any video blogs! For all we know, she'll come out tommorow saying her favorite color in the world is purple! I'm just saying, wait a little bit. And honestly, I think it looks nice and consistant, for the moment, to keep them all the red color to match the rest of the KM stuff. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:05, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

::I think the initial should be something like this: [[Kate|Abst♥]], or something shorter like [[Kate|Ab♥]] or just [[Kate|A♥]]
:While I like the current AH initial, I do like the "A(Heart)" design: Maybe if the letter 'A' and heart were the same size? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 08:03, 17 July 2007 (CDT)
I have a problem when viewing the initial. I'm not sure if it's because of Internet Explorer 6, or if it's because of my screen resolution/width - or maybe because of Windows XP? I was over my grandma's house yesterday (she has Windows Vista) and it wasn't acting up. Anyways, on my computer, the heart doesn't look like a heart. It looks like... well, it just looks like an upside-down teardrop. Maybe you should get a picture of a heart and use it, just like we got a picture of a star for Taylor? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 13:09, 19 July 2007 (CDT)
:I'm currently using IE 6 and Windows XP, and it looks like a heart to me. I do however, feel that the heart IS too small -- it needs to be closer to the size of the "A".--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 13:19, 19 July 2007 (CDT)
::Well, Pheon, I'm not sure... maybe it's because my computer at home has a smaller width than yours. But about the size, I'm pretty sure that I would prefer it to be smaller than the "A." It looks better than that. It wouldn't bother me if it wasn't fixed, as I am getting a new (Vista, IE 7, 17" monitor) computer tomorrow, because I just built a fence. :) So, I wouldn't mind if it wasn't fixed, but I do think that for all the people that it looks like an upside-down teardrop to... well, on my home computer, the two lumps at the top of the heart are missing. The hole in between them is just filled in, so it looks like... not a heart. Just my opinion. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 12:21, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

== Gavin ==

According to his bebo layout (plus the code on the banner), it looks as if the color for Gavin should be #0066ccfor a dark and #9cbeef for a light. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 00:18, 18 July 2007 (CDT)

:Okay please allow me to reiterate, and hopefully for the last time. At the moment, all the KM characters will be red. I have listed my reasons why this will be. First off, we do NOT know the personalities of the characters until we have actually seen them in a few vidoes. And secondly, I'm not 100% sure that we're even going to have character colors, because I am really liking them all being red. It kind of creates a consitancy and uniformity... like an identity for the show. At this point, I really do think it's the right way to go. At least for NOW. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:02, 18 July 2007 (CDT)

:::zoey everyone else wants them to have colors
:::why don't you just let them get there wish

:Houdini, Zoey's being rather decent on this: In the past we create the Initials based on their username AND Personality. As of 7/18/2007 (USA time), we've only has two videos from KATE, with only the slightest hint of her personality. And we can only guess/predict how Charlie, Gavin, and Tariq will be. We've already gotten the lettering for their initials down, so let's be patient when it comes to colors. Soon enough we'll get to know the cast enough to where worrying about this will actually matter. Just enjoy the show for the time being, man. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 22:56, 18 July 2007 (CDT)

== Adding Alex ==

So, I'm sure it's obvious that [[Proceed with Caution]] was a blog by [[Alex]], as might have been [[Apology Accepted?]]. Alex doesn't have a username, so what will we do for her initials? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 11:02, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

::Should it be aunt not alex though because most of the inits are like that, without real names.
But this looks good.
:Alex already has a username -- TCC, remember?? It's a pretty big revelation, so itstead of spoiling everyone of Alex's return, why not just use her own alias?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:15, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
::I have to go with TCC. Love, [[User:70.113.85.225|70.113.85.225]] 20:05, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
:::Oh, yeah, I forgot about TCC. Let's go with that. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 20:27, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

== Creators ==

Due to the fact the creators are messing with our heads by making a recap video from the point of Jonas, yet putting it in a weird view of things, the creators are just gonna be considered the blogger. I was thinking for an initial we could do: [[The Creators|Create]] or [[The Creators|Cre8]] Nerdy, but its shorter. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|10:40 PM}}
:Actually, I like [[The Creators|CREATE]] because its in all caps, but we can also do [[The Creators|CRE]] ... I really don't know. We can just do {{Template:Init}} for now.{{User:-R-/SignatureD|10:45 PM}}
::I like [[The Creators|CRE]]; simple and direct. And I really think it should be up there. The "rainbow of question marks" kind of annoys me. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 09:17, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

== Carla?? ==

[[Speak to Me!]], IMO, is undoubtedly a blog by [[The party guests#Carla|Carla]] (see [[Talk:Speak to Me!|the talk page]]). Unfortunately, we know so little about her that's it's near impossible to come up with an appropriate signature. Thoughts? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 21:43, 8 August 2007 (CDT)
:I do beleive it's a Carla blog as well (the Description is evidence enough), but I would personally like to see another Carla vid OR EVEN the next vid Jonas is in because then we may have more evidence on what happened. Again, I do beleive it's a Carla vid but let's wait before we do anything. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 00:37, 9 August 2007 (CDT)
::Well, Carla is ''extremely'' annoying. Whats an extremely annoying color? {{User:-R-/SignatureD|4:43 PM}}
:::BRIIIIIGHT green is exremely annoying because it makes me go blind! [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 15:46, 10 August 2007 (CDT)
:::[[Carla|OMGCARLA!!!]] :D {{User:-R-/SignatureD|3:53 PM}}
::::[[Carla|OMGHII'MCARLA!!!]] :-D [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 15:57, 10 August 2007 (CDT)
:::::<nowiki>:</nowiki>D [[Carla|WTFI'MRLAANDTHISISANANNOYINGINITIAL!!!]] {{User:-R-/SignatureD|4:01 PM}}
::::::Randy, you've done it! We simply need to go with that! :D [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 16:10, 10 August 2007 (CDT)
:::::::Carla still needs an initial, I guess we've just been kind of lazy. :/ How about C-la (pronounced See Luh), just to separate her from Carl if you did the initial CRL. [[User:72.95.224.117|72.95.224.117]] 15:11, 13 September 2007 (CDT)

== LaRezisto ==

Okay, so clearly, this guy came with his own signature/logo, so I'm gonna go ahead and make it. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 12:39, 10 August 2007 (CDT)
:Hmmm... the R! thing is cool (it makes me feel special) but I was thinking it could be like [[Claire|LAREZ]] I dunno, I like it. The only problem with this is everything is gonna look like {{Init|Spencer}} if we actually do it by the username, so never mind. Keep the R!, but I was thinking maybe we can make the color change between the characters not so drastic 0.o Ah, whatever. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|3:32 PM}}
::I like R! too, considering LaRezisto is basically screaming RESISTANCE!, and in the background is, undoubtedly, "R!". [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 15:58, 10 August 2007 (CDT)
:::I agree with you, Randy, the color change was a bit drastic. I changed it from LimeGreen, to the ForestGreen that you used in your comment. I think it looks better now. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]'''
Guess what I ffffoooouuuunnnddd!?!?! ЯЯЯЯЯЯЯ <<<A BACKWARDS R! Heck yes! I'll work it in if there are no objections :D {{User:-R-/SignatureD|10:59 PM}}
:You know what??? I looked for it, too, but I couldn't find it. AWESOME. :-> ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 00:07, 11 August 2007 (CDT)

=="SteveBelieves"==
Well, I guess we'll be needing an Initial for Mr. Steve now . . . I'll suggest "SB" for starters --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:13, 14 August 2007 (CDT)
::Sve could work, or Stv.
:::I like "SB", like [[Steve|'''SB''']] << that color reminds me of a creepy ghost... like steve... creeeeeeeepy {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Aug. 14, 2007 - 2:44 PM}}
::::I think for now we should stick with that maroon-y color for KM characters, but I like SB. I'll create it now, so we have something, post here if you object though for further discussion. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 15:44, 14 August 2007 (CDT)

==And Now Emma . . . .==
:So yeah, the latest vid means we need an Init for Emma now. Any thoughts?? She doesn't got a username of her own, does she?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 12 September 2007 (CDT)
::It would appear that she's going to be using Bree's Account. I say for the time being we use an Init. that Says "EMMA". She's probably going to get a myspace at some point, so then we can make an initial for her myspace username like we did with Sarah. If worse comes to worse, we can make a blue version of Bree's Init. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:24, 13 September 2007 (EST)
:::Emma has a Forum Username - Emma07. Maybe the Init Could be E07? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:11, 13 September 2007 (EST)

::::I think most vids are using "Bree's Account" these days, because seperate accounts failed to gain enough viewership on YouTube.
::::That said, I like the E07 idea, and propose [[Emma|E07]] as a mix of both Jonas's and Bree's colors. (Because she replaces Bree and is related to Jonas.)
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 12:25, 13 September 2007 (CDT)
:::::I like the idea, though the pink 07 combined with the lighter Color of E is kinda makes me dizzy. (I know, I'm a wimp). Maybe [[Emma|E07]] instead? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:29, 13 September 2007

::::::I like the other way round a slight bit better, but it's not that big of a difference. Let's hear what the others say...
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 12:33, 13 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Ooo, tough choice, but though I liked pink 'E' oranger '07' at first, the signifigance of the colors works better if it's oranger 'E' pink '07', at least IMO. Don't let me be the deciding voter though --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 13:56, 13 September 2007 (CDT)
::I have to say I liked the first one for Emma. But it doesn't matter, as long as it keeps that color combination/letter combination. I love the pink/orange E07. I didn't even know Emma had a forum account, I'll have to check it out. [[User:72.95.224.117|72.95.224.117]] 15:06, 13 September 2007 (CDT)

Argh, personally, I dislike the two colors. I think we need to pick a color and stick with it, so we can get her page and her actor page and all that to match. lightseagreen maybe? [[Emma|E07]] --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 15:25, 13 September 2007 (CDT)
:True, I had forgotten about the character pages. I have no problem with using [[Emma|E07]] --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:27, 13 September 2007 (EST)
::Yeah...lightseagreen...'cause it's so fresh...and different...{{init|Gemma}} [[Emma|E07]] {{init|Taylor}} {{init|Tachyon}}
::Bree isn't active anymore, and Emma is filling her slot anyway...there's nothing wrong with using pink for Emma's borders. ::Especially since they'll always be divided in listings b/c Bree isn't exactly among the living anymore.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:41, 13 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Is just regular blue an option? I don't believe that's being used... [[Emma|E07]] It looks different enough from {{init|Gemma}} {{init|Taylor}} {{init|Tachyon}} --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:56, 13 September 2007 (EST)

Aw, I still like lightseagreen. It seems different enough. I mean, every color we use is going to be some form of ROY G BIV, so obviously the more characters we have the more similar the colors will be. lightseagreen is.. brighter and greener than any of the others you listed. I am ''strongly'' opposed to Emma taking Bree's color though. It's just... not right! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:54, 13 September 2007 (CDT)
::I'm fine with one color but I'm just curious, is there any color possibility that's close to orange/pink?? If not, then I guess I'm good with the blue. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:54, 13 September 2007 (CDT)
:::My vote is for the blue... that says Emma to me somehow. I'm also opposed to her having two colors, and VERY opposed to her taking Bree's color. Just... no. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 00:18, 14 September 2007 (CDT)
::::I just aw that Emma just got the regular blue E07. Since when was there a concensus for that? Only three people voted for that. Other people (like myself) liked orange/pink or lightseagreen. When you do regular blue, it's just... so plain and it hurts my eyes! [[User:72.95.224.117|72.95.224.117]] 10:20, 15 September 2007 (CDT)
:::::No, there was no true consensus reached. As you can see in the history, I left it up for further debate. Personally, my eyes are hurt by the 80 different-colored question marks, especially when they're there for more than a day or two. :-/ I'll admit that now that the blue E07 is up there, however, it does look rather plain... of the other two options, I'd ''strongly'' lean towards the lightseagreen. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 16:46, 15 September 2007 (CDT)

::::::Plain blue sucks. Even if you don't agree with me color-wise, you should after realizing that '''[[AphidPedia/Redesign|any other working, unvisited link in bold looks just the same]]'''. Yay for the individual touch. [[Emma|E07]] ftw.
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 15 September 2007 (CDT)

::::::I vote for the sea green, I think it fits better to [[Emma]] than the plain blue.----[[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 00:02, 16 September 2007 (CDT)

At this point, by my count, it's 3 for orange/pink, and 4 for lightseagreen. I'll reemphasize a point someone brought up earlier against using the orange/pink: The precedent we've set on this wiki is for each character/actor to be associated with a certain color, on their own pages and signature. Yes? That would be impossible to maintain with the orange/pink signature. Additionally, I just don't think it looks very good, or suits Emma's character. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 00:30, 16 September 2007 (CDT)

:Err...I don't think the counting thing is fair or important - we had a clear majority for orange/pink, and then Zoey pulled the head admin card and said Emma would never ever get pink, no matter what. And ''then'' people started voting for light sea green, because it's still better than plain blue. Don't feign democracy where there is none.
:I still don't see any connection between light sea green and Emma, and don't think it's a particularly "pretty" color, either.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 07:57, 16 September 2007 (CDT)
:And for the record: Your precedent is an illusion. All KM characters use KM red, and Toby, Carla and Jonas's parents all use the same grey as well.
:And it's not like anyone would recognize characters "by theme" here anyway. It's a nice little plaything, and nothing more. It adds color to the pages - that's it. It has no ''practical'' application.
This is quickly turning into a heated argument. At this point, I'm starting to wonder if a consensus will ever be reached where everyone is satisfied with the result. (i.e. orange/pink creates organization problems, lightseagreen looks to simular to Taylor, Gemma, and Tachyon's colors, Blue is too plain.) I was the one who made Toby, Carla, and Jonas's parents have grey because when I updated them to the supporting character's section, I couldn't think of any other colors that haven't already been taken. It might be a good idea to set all the characters without a blog to grey (Lucy, Carl, Sonia, Barb) so that we have more colors available. That leaves open the possibilities of [[Emma|E07]] [[Emma|E07]] [[Emma|E07]] and [[Emma|E07]] -- [[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:05, 16 September 2007 (EST)
:I think your instinct is a good one, FH14. This is quickly turning from discussion to argument. Of your choices, I like the 'indigo.' If, Renegade, you feel very strongly about Emma's character "replacing" Bree (which, honestly, I'm still not convinced that she's doing, 'cause I'm still not convinced that Bree's dead :-> ), then we can go with the "plum," a more similar color to Bree's. I'd be fine with either. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 15:10, 16 September 2007 (CDT)
::Even though I really don't like the orange, that'd be fine, too, as you say, it'd be related to Jonas. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 15:17, 16 September 2007 (CDT)
NO to two colors! If you don't like lightseagreen, please pick another solid, single color that hasn't been used else where for ANY other character (including Bree x_x) and suggest it here! You're the only one who seems to have a big problem with that color, so by all means, suggest an alternative that fits those "guidelines"! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 15:23, 16 September 2007 (CDT)

:See? ''I'm'' not the difficult one here :P
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:17, 16 September 2007 (CDT)
Zoey, Renegade, please calm down! Zoey, I think we've established that we're only using one color. How about we use plum. It's simular to Bree's and seems fitting? (BTW, sorry if I seem harsh, I just want everyone to stop fighting *cries*) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:23, 16 September 2007 (EST)
:I'm perfectly fine with plum. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 17:36, 16 September 2007 (CDT)

:You ain't seen me uncalm yet ;)
:''We'' haven't established we're only using one color. ''Zoey'' has.
:Plum is definitely better than light sea green, though.
:'''EDIT:''' Forget it, [[Sonia]]'s using plum. Wouldn't want to hurt her feelings now, would we?
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:52, 16 September 2007 (CDT)
Yes, well, Sonia doesn't blog, and part of FH14's suggestion to use plum was to switch all non-blogging characters to gray, which I completely agree with. So good, is everyone on here ok with plum and switching Lucy, Carl, Sonia, and Barb to gray? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 17:59, 16 September 2007 (CDT)

:Oh, right..."Sonia doesn't blog" is a valid argument, but "Bree doesn't blog" is not.
:wtf is this? If we want plum, we can just take it from Sonia, but if we want pink, we can't just take it from Bree?
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:06, 16 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Well, Sonia's NEVER posted a blog, where Bree HAS in the past. Sonia DOESN'T have a symbol, whereas Bree DOES. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19:28, 16 September 2007

::::Oh right, I forgot...only people with their own blog are recognized by their color...all others just have them for show.
::::Seriously guys, get your story straight - either a character is recognized by his or her color, and it's important s/he keeps it, or it isn't.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:33, 16 September 2007 (CDT)
::::::I know you were being sarcastic, but "only people with their own blog are recognized by their color...all others just have them for show" pretty much sums it up. Toby, Carla, and Jonas's parents function fine all having gray, because none of them have an associated symbol. Carl, Barb, Lucy, and '''Sonia''' do not have an associated symbol, just like TCJ'sP, and only have colors to fit a pattern set in the sections they're organized in with those that do. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19:44, 16 September 2007 (EST)
:::::::How often have you sat in front of any given object on the pedia and thought "Hey, it's pink! It's got to do something with Bree!"?
:::::::Guess the whole "one character, one color" thing isn't as important after all...*rolleyes*
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:43, 16 September 2007 (CDT)

We've started trying to argue two points here (what color Emma's sig should be AND is it important for non-blogging characters to have their own colors), and it doesn't look like either is going to get solved right now. Therefore, I propose we choose a color, that's similar to Bree's (which we seem to all be in some agreement upon) and that no other characters have currently. I have two suggestions to this end : PaleVioletRed [[Emma|E07]] , or MediumVioletRed [[Emma|E07]] . Can we possibly agree on one of these colors, so we can just decide on a signature and move on with our lives? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 18:47, 16 September 2007 (CDT)
:Agreed. Either one is fine with me. --[[User:FH14]] 19:49, 16 September 2007 (EST)
:{{init|cassieiswatching}} {{init|nikki bower}} [[Emma|E07]] {{init|bree}} [[Emma|E07]] {{init|Jules}}
:MediumVioletRed certainly is a beautiful color.
:The "argumentation" making it necessary stays ridiculous, though.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:43, 16 September 2007 (CDT)
::Well, however we got here, it looks like we've arrived. [[Emma|E07]] seems to be the agreed-upon signature. Should we wait a little bit longer, or would someone like to do the honors? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 20:53, 16 September 2007 (CDT)

== A future problem ==

I just converted this template to a wikicode/template based version, for easier editing, only to be greeted with a number of <code></code> errors, after about twenty instances of the template on a page. I took out the major code change, leaving only minor parts in, but at the end of the List of Videos, it still happened. I fully reverted for now, but this problem ''will'' re-occur at a point in the future.

Basically, as readable [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2006-August/027271.html here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_limits#New_template_limits.2C_Special:ExpandTemplates here], before rendering a page, the engine expands all templates on the page, checks the page size, and simply doesn't expand all template calls that push the page size over a certain limit.

Why is this important here? Because this template is giant. Don't believe me? What you write as <code><nowiki>{{init|Bree}} {{init|Daniel}} {{init|Jonas}}</nowiki></code> appears in the engine as...
<pre>
{{#switch: Bree
| Bree = [[Bree|LG]]
| Daniel = [[Daniel|DB]]
| Jonas = [[Jonas|JTKO]]
| OpAphid = [[OpAphid|<nowiki>[</nowiki>Op<nowiki>]</nowiki>]]
| Gemma = [[Gemma|G19]]
| Tachyon = [[Tachyon|TAC]]
| Brother = [[Brother|BRO]]
| Nikki Bower = [[Nikki Bower|NBR]]
| Paulmark18 = [[Paulmark18|P&A]]
| Cassieiswatching = [[Cassieiswatching|CiW]]
| the Order
| The Order = [[the Order|ORD]]
| Jules = [[Jules|CMJ]]
| Sarah = [[Sarah|SIE]]
| Taylor = [[Taylor|Soc]][[Image:SkyblueStar.jpg]]
| Spencer = [[Spencer|LALR]]
| War Pylol = [[War Pylol|War]]
| Alex = [[Alex|TCC]]
| Kate = [[Kate|A♥]]
| Charlie = [[Charlie|COT]]
| Gavin = [[Gavin|DG]]
| Tariq = [[Tariq|T287]]
| The Creators = [[The Creators|CRE]]
| 12in12 = [[12 in 12|12IN12]]
| Claire = [[Claire|Я!]]
| Steve = [[Steve|SB]]
| Hymn of One = [[Hymn of One|HoO]]
| Sophie = [[Sophie|Sophie]]
| #default = ???????}}
{{#switch: Daniel
| Bree = [[Bree|LG]]
| Daniel = [[Daniel|DB]]
| Jonas = [[Jonas|JTKO]]
| OpAphid = [[OpAphid|<nowiki>[</nowiki>Op<nowiki>]</nowiki>]]
| Gemma = [[Gemma|G19]]
| Tachyon = [[Tachyon|TAC]]
| Brother = [[Brother|BRO]]
| Nikki Bower = [[Nikki Bower|NBR]]
| Paulmark18 = [[Paulmark18|P&A]]
| Cassieiswatching = [[Cassieiswatching|CiW]]
| the Order
| The Order = [[the Order|ORD]]
| Jules = [[Jules|CMJ]]
| Sarah = [[Sarah|SIE]]
| Taylor = [[Taylor|Soc]][[Image:SkyblueStar.jpg]]
| Spencer = [[Spencer|LALR]]
| War Pylol = [[War Pylol|War]]
| Alex = [[Alex|TCC]]
| Kate = [[Kate|A♥]]
| Charlie = [[Charlie|COT]]
| Gavin = [[Gavin|DG]]
| Tariq = [[Tariq|T287]]
| The Creators = [[The Creators|CRE]]
| 12in12 = [[12 in 12|12IN12]]
| Claire = [[Claire|Я!]]
| Steve = [[Steve|SB]]
| Hymn of One = [[Hymn of One|HoO]]
| Sophie = [[Sophie|Sophie]]
| #default = ???????}}
{{#switch: Jonas
| Bree = [[Bree|LG]]
| Daniel = [[Daniel|DB]]
| Jonas = [[Jonas|JTKO]]
| OpAphid = [[OpAphid|<nowiki>[</nowiki>Op<nowiki>]</nowiki>]]
| Gemma = [[Gemma|G19]]
| Tachyon = [[Tachyon|TAC]]
| Brother = [[Brother|BRO]]
| Nikki Bower = [[Nikki Bower|NBR]]
| Paulmark18 = [[Paulmark18|P&A]]
| Cassieiswatching = [[Cassieiswatching|CiW]]
| the Order
| The Order = [[the Order|ORD]]
| Jules = [[Jules|CMJ]]
| Sarah = [[Sarah|SIE]]
| Taylor = [[Taylor|Soc]][[Image:SkyblueStar.jpg]]
| Spencer = [[Spencer|LALR]]
| War Pylol = [[War Pylol|War]]
| Alex = [[Alex|TCC]]
| Kate = [[Kate|A♥]]
| Charlie = [[Charlie|COT]]
| Gavin = [[Gavin|DG]]
| Tariq = [[Tariq|T287]]
| The Creators = [[The Creators|CRE]]
| 12in12 = [[12 in 12|12IN12]]
| Claire = [[Claire|Я!]]
| Steve = [[Steve|SB]]
| Hymn of One = [[Hymn of One|HoO]]
| Sophie = [[Sophie|Sophie]]
| #default = ???????}}
</pre>
What you have just seen were ''three'' init calls. The list of videos currently has {{#expr: 264 + 65}} videos, each with an init next to it - almost ''one hundred and ten times'' that many. '''Point being:''' Even though I avoided (''not'' "fixed") the problem for now, if we don't change something, it ''will'' come back to haunt us. If we freeze the template, it'll come back when the list of videos exceeds a certain size. If we keep adding stuff to the template as well, it'll happen even earlier. When I had replaced the hardcode with templates in my attempt just then, I could barely use it twenty times before exceeding the size limit.

The current size of the #switch is, at minimum, 3632 bytes. That means, this template alone expands to {{#expr: (({{#expr: 264 + 65}}*3632)/1024)/1024}} megabytes on the list of videos ''right now''. According to the links above, the limit is 1 MB. If that was true, we'd have exceeded it {{#expr: {{#expr: 264 + 65}}-288}} videos ago. So either somebody set our limit higher, or the server calculates differently. Either way, this number should show you how little things add up. This tiny little template alone adds {{#expr: (264 + 65)*3632}} bytes of pre-rendering size to the List of Videos. And if we keep adding videos and names, it ''will'' exceed the limit.

We're save for now, apparently, but we should think about ways to prevent this ''before'' it happens. 
Thank you for your time.

'''P.S.:''' Okay, curiousity got the best of me, and I simply tried it out: On a page consisting of nothing but inits, '''the current version of init can be used 410 times.''' That leaves us in trouble in {{#expr: 410-{{#expr: 264 + 65}}}} videos, and suggests the size limit lies at {{#expr: ((410 * 3632)/1024)/1024 }} MB. (Most probably it's set to 1.5 megabytes in a 1000 bytes per megabyte counting system.) Assuming five videos a week, we'll hit the size limit in {{#expr: (410-(264 + 65))/5 }} weeks, which is around the end of November.

Assuming we do not add ''anything'' to the template. And we all know that ''will'' happen.

'''Edit:'''
I put up [[Template talk:Init/Problem demo|a demo page]], and the debug-output on it states the following:
<pre></pre>
...on first glance, I'm not quite sure how that fits into my previous calculations, but as you can see for yourself, 410 is the maximum ''for this version''. Season 1 had 256 numbered videos, and a dozen uncounted ones (like NBR, pre-canon vids, etc.) - it is unlikely they stop before that limit is reached.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:06, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
This post has been edited 2 times.

:I see what you mean, Renegade. I can think of two possible solutions, even though neither one really seems ideal. The first is simply to subst the template. Pretty much the only changes we make to it are to add new bloggers, so we wouldn't have to worry about having to go through and update a lot of instances of the inits anyway. One downside to this is that I'm not sure if it will even reduce the page size because it might just copy the code into the page (most of which will be unnecessary, but nevertheless there). You would know that more than I would, Renegade. The other downside is of course that if we ''did'' decide to change someone's init, we would have to go through and change them all manually, which would be a huge pain.
:Another solution is to create separate templates for each blogger, or perhaps split up the bloggers into a few groups to reduce the overall size. Of course, this doesn't really eliminate the problem because we would still reach the limit at some point, but it would give us quite a bit more space I think. One downside to this is that we would have to change all the current templates to the new ones (which I could do with the LGBot fairly easily I think), and we would also have to remember to use the different notation in the future. An even bigger problem is that I'm not sure we could use the "blogger" field from [[Template:Vid]] for instance if the template name was changed and not just a parameter (I hope that made sense). I suppose we could name the templates '''InitBree''', '''InitDaniel''', '''InitJonas''', etc. and then use something like <nowiki>{{init{{{blogger}}}}}</nowiki> instead of <nowiki>{{init|{{{blogger}}}}}</nowiki> like we have now.
:One more suggestion is to split up the video page into seasons so that we don't keep getting closer to this problem, and also so the page doesn't take so long to load. This just seems like a good idea anyway to me, but I suppose I should suggest that there and not here. Anyway, I hope some of that made sense and everyone please correct me if I am wrong anywhere.
:Thanks!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:03, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

::Substituting would work to circumvent the problem, simply because the engine wouldn't expand templates anymore, but as you yourself said, changing an init afterwards would be a major pain in the ass. Given the fact that minor changes are constantly made (I myself changed plaintext Я to HTML-encoded Я earlier), I don't think that solution is feasible.
::While I do support the grouping idea on the grounds that I think unofficial characters like Paul & Andrea and Cassieiswatching should be seperated from official ones, as you mentioned, that only delays the problem.
::However, given that I suggested such a template next to [[Template:FakeBlog]] and [[Template:FakeVidChar]] just a few days ago, I'll move all fan characters to Template:FakeInit later. If we want to do stuff like TAAGInit, OrderInit and ResInit afterwards is another question, but I do think splitting the List of Videos by season would be the more efficient way - I have that in the back of my head everytime I see it anyway, and it means that other than the non-canon people's template calls, nothing has to be changed.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:29, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

I agree with dividing the video page into seasons, as it's getting to be ridiculously long to load now anyways, not to mention the problems it is causing with this template. Someone should post on that talk page, but my official vote on the matter is "Yes". --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:49, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

===Update on October 5th, 2007===
Due to additions of Mallory, KM characters, etc., as per [[Template talk:Init/Problem demo|the demo]], the current version of init can be used '''358''' times; the current version of [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos/Season 1]] includes '''324''' calls to init, and there are at least two additional templates for the season-links. If the template keeps growing like this, we might still "make it" till November, even ''with'' split lists.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:27, 5 October 2007 (CDT)
Edit: 353 → 358 - Zoey's cleanup helped a little.

===Update on January 8th, 2008===
According to the demo, we're now down to 334 uses. As mentioned above, LoLg15V/S1 has 324 uses, plus two additional templates. One or two more bloggers, and we're screwed.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:27, 8 January 2008 (CST)
::Maybe there could be a separate template for the KM Characters (serving the same purpose, but taking some of the load off this template) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 12:50, 9 January 2008 (EST)

===Update on January 21st, 2008: A ''current'' Problem===
Our splitting and cautiousness may have delay it by three months, but the problem I predicted back in August has finally arrived: The current init can only be used '''319''' times on one page, and the last five inits on [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos/Season 1]] already disabled themselves. We can't procrastinate this anymore - we need to find a way to shrink this template significantly.

The ever-so-logical debug-output reads
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by now.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:48, 20 January 2008 (CST)

===Update on January 21st, 2008: A ''past'' Problem===
Apparently, the immediate pressure of the problem actually occurring in the wild kind of inspired me - I had a stroke of genius and, after running from the problem for months, came up with a viable solution that not only circumvents the problem while not requiring any updates to other pages, but is also much easier to handle for newbies and non-coders. 
It seems like this problem is now a thing of the past.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:39, 20 January 2008 (CST)

== And Now Sonia... ==

Well it seems as though [[We All Make Mistakes]] is obviously a [[Sonia]] blog. I'll suggest Sonia for starters, but that's probably too long. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 16:26, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
:Added a temporary one for now - {{#switch: {{lc:Sonia}}
| bree = [[Bree|LG]]
| daniel = [[Daniel|DB]]
| jonas = [[Jonas|JTKO]]
| opaphid = [[OpAphid|<nowiki>[</nowiki>Op<nowiki>]</nowiki>]]
| gemma = [[Gemma|G19]]
| tachyon = [[Tachyon|TAC]]
| brother = [[Brother|BRO]]
| nikki bower = [[Nikki Bower|NBR]]
| cassieiswatching = [[Cassieiswatching|CiW]]
| the order = [[the Order|ORD]]
| jules = [[Jules|CMJ]]
| sarah = [[Sarah|SIE]]
| taylor = [[Taylor|Soc]][[Image:SkyblueStar.jpg]]
| spencer = [[Spencer|LALR]]
| war pylol = [[War Pylol|War]]
| alex = [[Alex|TCC]]
| the creators = [[The Creators|CRE]]
| 12in12 = [[12 in 12|12IN12]]
| Claire = [[Claire|Я!]]
| hymn of one = [[Hymn of One|HoO]]
| carla = [[Carla|CLA]]
| emma = [[Emma|E07]]
| mallory = [[Mallory|MAL]]
| sonia = [[Sonia|SONIA]]
| kate = [[Kate|A♥]]
| charlie = [[Charlie|COT]]
| gavin = [[Gavin|DG]]
| tariq = [[Tariq|T287]]
| steve = [[Steve|SB]]
| sophie = [[Sophie|KM]]
| jamie bell = [[Jamie Bell|HF]]
| julia = [[Julia (KateModern)|JUL]]
| #default = ???????}} (aimed for the color this ugly hat she's wearing XD).
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:42, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

== Change of "Creators" to "Recap" ==

Well, so far, all of the videos that the creator initials have been used on are recap vids. Sooo, I say change the Creator initial to Recap initial. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|5:25 PM}}

== Jennie ==

Need a new one for Jennie ASAP! Tried to figure it out myself, it was too much! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 21:46, 17 December 2007 (CST)
:Well, first questions first: Does Jennie have any Forum Username or MySpace name that we can use for inspiration?? (Man, has this been the year or Inits or what?) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:39, 17 December 2007 (CST)
::I'm going to Put a temporary Init "JEN" for the time being because the ????? are giving me a seizure. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:46, 18 December 2007

== Dr. Hart ==

Someone hurry and make one for him, I hate those awful question marks! I still can't seem to figure out how to do it myself! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 15:40, 17 January 2008 (CST)

== Gina ==

I'm not a fan of the current init for Gina; the lowercase letters make it look untidy in my opinion. I changed a few letters to come out with this: GNA. What do you think? --[[User:Tasty|Tasty]] 21:31, 21 February 2008 (GMT)

== Colors ==

So how come all the initials have no color now? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:22, 20 August 2008 (CDT)

K-Team

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The '''K-Team''' is a nickname for the group of the main protaganists in the [[KateModern]] series.

The nickname was coined by KateModern fan Houdini on the KateModern forum in a discussion of what to call the characters. The K-Team is a reference to the 1980s action television show, the A-Team. The K-Team tag is also similar to [[lonelygirl15]]'s [[TAAG|BDJ]], or as [[Tachyon]] might say, [[TAAG]].

The name was first used in the series itself in [[Orivwa]], in which Julia uses it to describe herself and her friends.

==Official Members==
*[[Kate]] (Deceased)
*[[Charlie]]
*[[Gavin]]
*[[Tariq]] (In India)
*[[Steve]]
*[[Sophie]]
*[[Julia]] (Betrayal)
*[[Lee]]
*[[Lauren]]

==Unofficial Members==
*[[Terrence]] (Fought the Order with Gavin and Tariq, later companion to Steve) (Betrayal)
*[[Meryl]] (Involved in many K-Team conflicts)
*[[Jeremy]] (Loyal companion to Steve)
*[[Anthony]] (Proven loyal on trip to Paris, left after a falling out with Steve)
*[[Jonas]] (Betrayal)

==External links==
[http://www.lg15.com/katemodern/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=45 Forum Post]

{{The Resistance}}

[[Category:KateModern characters]]

Wilannies

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{{Cleanup}}
== wilannies ==
[[youtube.com/wilannies]]

Age unknown, Annie first appeared at ghiradelli square with everyone else in the lg15 story arc too dangerous. Later on she appeared in several videos commenting on Taag's recent actions. When she posted Disguises several people commented that she possibly could be in the Hymn Of One. She was kidnapped by the Wyman Foundation and taken to olhym where she posted several videos which are no longer available on her youtube account for unknown reasons. She began communicating with Ethan as an attempt to save Tiffani, but as she went further into journey she learned more about his past as well as hers. She was kidnapped by the cleaners and lossed her memory for several months in which she even thought that she was part of the Hymn and going to graduate to a high state of being. After Emma was taken to Olhym, she was knocked into being herself again and help her as well as Sonya and Emma escape. She is one of the founding members of the R.O.A. the resistance against the order and continuely tried to proactively fight the order even at her own expense. After Gina died she decided to be proactive in her attempts to fight the order after hiding for several months, she even attempted to kill Tad Mckinely, ted's younger son, but she was never heard of for several weeks. Videos taken by the order were posted on her youtube account speaking of Ethan's destiny.Annie was last seen in confessions of a trait positive carrier, in which she stated she was willing to sacrifice herself to save the sister she forgot existed. At this point it is unknown whether Annie is still alive or not as she was last seen saying goodbye to several people in her life and the lg15 community .

Facts about Annie:
-She is Emma's Biological Older Sister
-She was born in Manchester, and have had several encounters with Dr. Griffin, William Porter and Dr. Calvin Hart.
-Sonya is supposedly her cousin
- She has a strange, but obvious connection to Ethan
- When she was little, her parents said she used to sleep walk a lot, just like her other siblings
- This could be the third and final time she's been captured by the order.
- She's different from trait positive in the sense that she's a carrier, meaning she can complete the hart study with her blood.

Template:Userbox EvilJennie

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Nancypants:

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Mr. Genatiempo

2008-08-14T01:34:03Z

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{{update}}
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'''Taylor and Sarah's dad''' is the watchman for the [[Zavalla|Zavalla cemetery]] where Elders and important figures in the Order are laid to rest. He is a high ranking member of the Order, and has close connections to [[Lord Carruthers]].

==Background==
He was first mentioned in [[Practice Sucked :(]], where Taylor mentioned that he is reportedly embarrassed by his ex-wife's overbearing antics, and would actually prefer watching Taylor's soccer games from the car than deal with getting sent away from the field because of his wife's aggression. According to Taylor, Sarah and her father saw things eye-to-eye and got along "like peas and carrots." Sarah, on the other hand, [http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=181223773&blogID=265638600&MyToken=75e5d803-2cd4-4095-9f15-ab95533f6127 describes their father] as being obsessed with Taylor as well, suggesting that all they did together as a family was take ''"Taylor to do soccer drills at the park."'' It was [[My Mom's A Freak!|later revealed]] that the girls' parents separated, having done so only a few months prior, because of their father's "mid-life crisis" involving a young lady around the age of 19.

It is during Sarah's return to Zavalla, that she discovers that her father is a member of The Order. When she confronts him about this, he then makes her keep quiet about it, or else he would kill Taylor and her mother. She becomes extremely scared and depressed, and throws herself into having one night stands with random guys. Her father allows Sarah to go out from under his gaze and back to her friends if she agreed to spy for the Order. She reluctantly agreed, and admits to Taylor that she has "done something horrible", but she doesn't go into specifics, fearing for Taylor's safety. She made to [[Shadow of Death|return to California]] with the serum, and begins to tell Emma to make her own decisions and not rely too much on Jonas's judgement. The goings-on of Taylor and Sarah's dad aren't mentioned for four months, as Taylor has taken a break from blogging in order to focus back on school. However, Taylor's dad is mentioned briefly when Taylor runs away with [[Jack]] for a short time, as she tricks each of her parents into thinking she is at the other's house.

[[Image:0525-TaylorAndDadsHand.jpg|thumb|left|Taylor and Sarah's dad's first appearance...]]
In July, while Taylor is cleaning out the attic, she discovers one of her father's old suitcases. It contains his belongings from college, including mail from the [[Hymn of One]] stamped with the seal of [[Lord Carruthers]]. Taylor is floored, and rushes to make a video even though she hasn't made one in months. As she blogs, her father (whom Taylor hasn't seen in ages) arrives at the house, walks up to Taylor and turns the camera off. He [[Shaken Up|later claims]] that he had locked himself out of his house and had gone to Taylor's house to get the spare key. However, in the [[In the Closet|next video]], TAAG breaks into Sarah and Taylor's father's home and find many items relating to [[The Order]] and [[Aleister Crowley]] in his guestroom closet, and it is later revealed that he is the watchman for the cemetary of the Elders in Zavalla, and helped orchestrate the plot with [[Jules]] and manipulated Taylor without her knowledge. Then, [[We're Screwed!|Taylor is kidnapped]] by her father and The Order, wanting Jonas in return for Taylor's life, as Sarah had let TAAG become too aware of The Order's plans.

Sarah pleads for Daniel's forgiveness, but he gives her the cold shoulder. She knocks him out with a vase, determined to keep Taylor safe from her dad's wrath. She joins her father and Carruthers, but secretly helps TAAG locate Taylor and informs them of [[2:00 AM|Jonas's location]] on the day of the ascension, and sends Daniel a picture of him to prove he is still alive. Sarah explains that the Order believes her father to be the great leader [[Aleister Crowley]] prophesied would come, and that he was ascending to the rank of an Elder.

{{Hoomember}}
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Bree's bedroom

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{{cleanup}}{{Locations
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| image = 0045-Pacing.jpg
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**[[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Purple Monkey (video)|Purple Monkey]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[School Work in Summer... BLECHH!!!]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[The Danielbeast]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Grillz feat. Danielbeast, LG15, P. Monkey, and O'n.]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[My Parents Suck...]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Proving Science Wrong!]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Boy Problems...]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[He Said, She Said]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad "talks" to Daniel)]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Daniel The Neanderthal]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Me, Religion, and Daniel :(]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Mysteries of My Past... REVEALED!]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[A Peace Offering (and P. Monkey Boogies)]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[I'm Really, Really, Really Excited!]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Bree The Cookie Monster]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[A Change In My Life]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Poor Pluto]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Should I Or Shouldn't I?]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[I'm Going to the Party!]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[House Arrest]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[What's A Date?]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[My First Kiss]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[The Equinox]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[My Difficult Decision]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[My Helper]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[How My Parents Met]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Daniel Crossed The Line]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Stand Up Lonelygirl15]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Zodiac of Denderah]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[The Ceremony Is Tomorrow :)]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[I Completed The Ceremony]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Daniel, Be Careful...]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[I Listened To Daniel]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Hi Gemma!]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[I Talked To My Parents]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Proving Longitude Wrong]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Thanks Gemma...]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[What Makes Us Sad?]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Life's Not Fair]] - {{init|Bree}}
**[[Home Alone]] - {{init|OpAphid}}
**[[lonelygirl15 Season 1 Recap]] - {{init|The Creators}}
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**[[Who Is This?]] - {{init|Daniel}}
**[[Where Are They Going?]] - {{init|Daniel}}
**[[On The Run]] - {{init|Daniel}}
**[[Back At Bree's]] - {{init|Daniel}}
**[[The Last Hours of Bree's Dad's Life - NBR 9]] - {{init|Nikki Bower}} (stills only)
**[[lonelygirl15 Season 1 Recap]] - {{init|The Creators}}
**[[I'm Done]] - {{init|Jonas}}
**[[Looking for Gina]] - {{init|Daniel}}
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Most of the early Lonelygirl15 videos take place in '''Bree's bedroom''' and hence it provides a fertile hunting ground for clues as to the plot of [[Lonelygirl15]]. On this page we will describe the room, catalogue its contents and discuss their relevance to the plot. This location is of course the home of Bree's [[Stuffed animals|stuffed animals]].

==Overall==
Bree's room is shown in the fullest detail in the video [[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]], in which Bree hung a blanket from the wall in the corner of her room over her bed. She expressed doubts about the aesthetic value of the blanket, but it has remained there ever since. Bree's room has a single door near the corner opposite her computer desk (Bree is often facing that same corner when filming, and that corner is only briefly glimpsed in the mirror once). On the back of the door, Bree has a photo collage picture board (placed there during the filming of [[Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)]]). Next to the door to the right, there is a floor lamp, and then Bree's bed, with the blanket hanging over it. Behind the lamp, there is a small picture of a flower, and over Bree's bed there is a [[Bree's bedroom#The Edward Hopper painting|picture of a house]]. Next to the picture of the house was a poster of Napoleon Dynamite, which was only up for a total of 2 episodes (Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!) and Proving Science Wrong!) before it mysteriously disappeared. On the wall to the right of Bree's bed is a small painting of a flower in a vase, a wall calendar (showing a picture of two kittens in a basket in August), and a picture of a buttterfly. To the other side of the door, there is a bookshelf with a small candelabra on top, above which there is a [[:Image:Crowleyshrine.jpg|picture]] of Aleister Crowley ([[Bree's bedroom#The Aleister Crowley shrine|see below]]). (A different, unidentified picture was there in earlier episodes.) Next to the candelabra is a framed photo of three young men wearing suits which was later replaced with a [[Bree's bedroom#The box|box]]. Past the bookcase is a mirrored closet, and past that is a curtained window with another bookcase beneath it, draped in purple cloth. The top of this bookcase is covered with various items, including numerous candles. Bree's computer desk is smallish and made of wood, with a metal-and-plastic chair in front of it and a multicolored paper lantern hanging over it.

==The bookshelf==
It would be very useful to know what books are present on the bookshelf, but this has not been determined. In most of the early videos, the bottom shelf was either empty or contained a single book, but in later videos, it became cluttered.

==The box==
A lot of discussion focused on a box on top of Bree's bookcase. The box first appears in the video [[Zodiac of Denderah]] in place of the picture of the three boys, and is closed. After [[The Ceremony|the ceremony]] the box is open. Then, in [[I Talked To My Parents]], the box is gone and the picture has returned.

==The Aleister Crowley shrine==

Above the bookshelf there is what appears to be a shrine to [[Aleister Crowley]]. The shrine is composed of a picture of Aleister Crowley and a set of candles. Aleister Crowley was the founder of the occultist religion of [[Thelema]].

==The Edward Hopper painting==
On the back wall of Bree's bedroom is a well-known painting by artist {{wikipedia|Edward_Hopper|Edward Hopper}} entitled, [http://www.artcyclopedia.com/masterscans/l38.html "Second Story."] Hopper is an American painter whose most common theme was solitude in American life.

==Bree's bedroom in Wired Magazine Article==
[http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.12/lonelygirl.html A December 2006 article in Wired magazine] gives us our [http://www.wired.com/wired/images.html?issue=14.12&topic=lonelygirl&img=3&pg=1 best view of the side of Bree's bedroom that we have never seen on camera]. The set of Bree's bedroom was [[Mesh Flinders]]' actual apartment bedroom.

==Bree's House==
In [[Back At Bree's]], Daniel returns to Bree's abandoned house and shows us our first (and thus far only) view of the rest of Bree's house.

<gallery perrow="3">
Image:0099-Brees House - walkway.jpg|The back walkway
Image:0099-Brees House - living room.jpg|The living room
Image:0099-Brees House - dining room.jpg|The dining room
Image:0099-Brees House - dining room 2.jpg||The china cabinet in the dining room
Image:0099-Brees House - staircase.jpg|The staircase
Image:0099-Brees House - staircase 2.jpg|The staircase (view 2)
Image:0099-Brees House - hallway.jpg|The hallway
Image:0099-Brees House - computer room.jpg|The computer room
Image:0099-Brees House - futon.jpg|A futon in the computer room
Image:0099-Brees House - pamphlets.jpg|Some pamphlets on the futon
</gallery>

==Area surrounding Bree's house==
The video [[Learning To Drive]] appears to start out close to Bree's house where Daniel picks her up, and ends at a loading dock of a warehouse.

<gallery perrow="3">
Image:Brees House.jpg|The exterior
Image:0099-Brees House - street.jpg|Bree's street
Image: Ltd bree.jpg|Bree standing next to a very unusual wall
Image:Ltd bree house.jpg|Daniel picking Bree up with what appears to be Bree's house in the background.
Image:Ltd warehouse.jpg|After a brief driving lesson, Bree and Daniel pull up at what appears to be the loading dock of a warehouse.
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{{Location index}}

Nadia

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{{stub}}{{Person
| name = Nadia
| image = Ceremony Girl.JPG
| first = [[11:00 AM]]
| last = [[6:00 PM]]
| age = Deceased
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'''Nadia Dalton''' is the girl [[Jonas]] finds walking around the [[S.S. Hathor's Song]] in [[11:00 AM]]. She is dressed in a white robe similar to the one [[Bree]] wore for her Ceremony. She is later seen in [[4:00 PM]] on a table being prepped for the Ceremony. She appears to have died in [[6:00 PM]], even though Jonas saved her before the Ceremony could be fully completed.

==Notes==
*Fans in the NowLive Chat Room nicknamed Nadia "Bambi" before her name was revealed.

==Etymology==
*Nadia is a variant of Nadya which is a diminutive of the Russian Nadezhda. Nadezhda means "hope" in Russian.
{{CharIndex}}

Bill Cowan

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{{update}}
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| name = Bill Cowan
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| actor = [[KateModern cameos#Paul Rhodes|Paul Rhodes]]
| first = [[Julia & Rupert]]
| last = [[KateModern Season Two Recap]]
| series = KM
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'''Bill Cowan''', [[Julia]]'s father, is seen giving Julia away in [[Julia & Rupert]]. He objects very vocally to Julia's joining the Hymn of One.

In [[Her Indoors]], Julia said that she wanted to wait for Bill to come back before she leaves for France, but Rupert takes her anyway. It is still unknown why Bill was gone, or where he was during this time. He was most likely on vacation, or a business trip.

{{KateCharIndex}}

Joseph

2008-08-08T19:41:25Z

Nancypants: Undo revision 140085 by 86.46.50.157 (Talk) poorly written, I tried to revise but gave up

{{update}}
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| name = Joseph
| image = KM300-Joseph.jpg
| age =
| birthday =
| youtube =
| revver =
| myspace =
| bebo =
| forum-posts =
| actor = [[KateModern cameos#Noel Clarke|Noel Clarke]]
| first = [[The Last Work: 12PM]]
| last = [[KateModern Season Two Recap]]
| series = KM}}
'''Joseph''' is an agent of the Order who pretended to be a patient at St. Grinstead. He escapes with the help of Gavin after Gavin overpowers two doctors and accidentally releases Patient #12. Gavin is annoyed by Joseph, who seems to think that the escape is a fun game.

{{KateCharIndex}}

JTV staff

2008-08-08T19:36:37Z

Nancypants: Reverted edits by 86.46.50.157 (Talk); changed back to last version by Shiori

{{update}}
{{Person
| name = JTV staff
| image = KM211-JTVstaff.jpg
| age = Various
| birthday =
| youtube =
| revver =
| myspace =
| forum-posts =
| bebo =
| actor = [[Jonathan Almond]], [[Kelly Brett]], [[Claire Finbow]], [[Meryl Iona Edwards]], [[Neil Mossey]], [[Luke Hyams]]
| first = [[Trouble on Brick Lane]]
| last = [[Julia & Rupert]]
| series = KM
}}
Members of the '''JTV staff''' work alongside [[Gavin]], [[Julia]], [[Justin]], and [[Lee]] at [[JustIncredible.TV]]. Until Julia's promotion, her co-workers often sent her off to run various errands. They then were seen in numerous videos at [[JTV Headquarters]]. Following the decline of JTV, many of the coworkers were seen at Lee's flat in [[Raise The Roof]], indicating that they are all still friends.

It is believed that the staff consists of the following:
*'''Claire'''
*'''Darren''' (possibly misnamed)
*'''Jonathan'''
*'''Kelly'''
*'''Luke'''
*'''[[Meryl]]'''

{{KateCharIndex}}

Lonelygirl15 characters

2008-08-08T19:36:01Z

Nancypants:

{{see also|KateModern characters}}
{{Header|[[Image:List-of-characters.jpg]]}}
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{{Subheader|Main Characters|blue}}
These '''main characters''' are the focus of most videos and the central plot. They have major speaking parts and create their own video blogs.

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{{Subheader|Supporting Characters|blue}}
These '''supporting characters''' were [[#Main Characters|main]] during their time, however, they were not featured in the plot for an extended period.
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{{Subheader|Recurring Characters|blue}}
While these '''recurring characters''' are not always around, they reappear often, and influence the story when they do. Some of them videoblog, while others are not videobloggers but still contribute to the plot.
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{{Subheader|Guest Characters|blue}}
These '''guest characters''' usually appear in one or two videos and (for the most part) do not post blogs. Most of them only have minor significance to the plot.

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{{Subheader|Unseen Characters|blue}}
There are a number of '''unseen characters''' that seen characters have mentioned, but have never been seen on screen, and are not video bloggers. Due to the mysterious nature of the plot, some of these people may not actually exist.

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{{Subheader|Non-Human Characters|blue}}
These '''non-human characters''' include both stuffed and real animals. The stuffed characters played a major role in some of Bree's earlier video blogs, acting as her best friends. Many animal characters have only played a minor role in the story.

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Template:Init/Thatfreakinrandy

2008-08-08T19:34:24Z

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<noinclude><center><div style="padding:1ex 1em; border:#aaa 1px solid; width:80%" align="left">'''This is a subpage for [[Template:Init]]. 
It contains categories and content that is not part of the original template page.'''</div></center>
[[Category: Template subpage]]</noinclude>
[[User:-R-|TFR!]]

New Friend

2008-08-08T19:34:06Z

Nancypants: Reverted edits by 72.95.220.181 (Talk); changed back to last version by Neavers

{{Person
| name = Random Girl
| image = Random Girl - dark.jpg
| age =
| birthday =
| youtube =
| revver =
| myspace =
| actor = [[Katharine McPhee]]
| first = [[Truth Or Dare]]
| last = [[Truth Or Dare]]
| color = #87a
| series = LG15
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'''Random Girl''' escorted a drunken [[Daniel]] home from [[Minor locations#Pins and Pints|Pins and Pints]] in the video [[Truth Or Dare]]. She then spent several hours with [[Jonas]] and [[Bree]], for the so-called "First Annual Jonas's Texas Hold'em Invitational Championship", while they kept an eye on their poor passed out friend. Since this episode, Random Girl has not been seen.

Not much is known about Random Girl; we are not even told her name. We do learn that she lives with "two dumb blondes," presumably in some kind of college dorm or off-campus apartment. She also has seemingly no knowledge of [[The Order]].

In the [[lonelygirl15 Series Credits]], the character is called "New Friend".

{{CharIndex}}

Deacon

2008-08-08T19:33:49Z

Nancypants: Reverted edits by 72.95.220.181 (Talk); changed back to last version by Shiori

{{One other use|the Deacons of [[the Order]] as portrayed in the series|the [[LG15 Spin-offs|fanfiction]] [[comment board]] user that posts under the name "The Deacons" and more recently, "Deacons"|The Deacons (commenter)}}
{{Person
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| image = Deacon2.jpg
| first = [[On The Run]]
| last = [[Julia & Rupert]]
| age = Varies
| actor = [[Kenneth Goodfried]], [[Cameos#John McGarr|John McGarr]]
}}
The '''Deacons''' appear to be among the leaders of the [[Hymn of One]], though junior to the [[Elder|Elders]], who are leaders of the entire [[The Order|Order]]. [[Bree]] knew little about the Deacons, but they evidently hold great sway in the community. They were responsible for recruiting Bree for the Ceremony, without even allowing her parents to attend. The Deacons also appear to be responsible for the murder of [[Drew Avery|Bree's father]].

==Role of Deacons==
[[Image:0069-BreesParents.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Taking away Bree's parents.]]
[[Bree]] mentions the Deacons of her religion for the first time in [[I Talked To My Parents]] (Oct. 26, 2006). Bree identified one of the Deacons in the video [[On The Run]], and said he was also present at [[The Ceremony (video)|her fake ceremony]]. Along with [[Lucy]], the Deacon led her parents out of the house. This same Deacon and Lucy were also in the car that pulled up in front of Bree's father, before he was shot.

After the initial ceremony was revealed to be a fake, Bree refused to participate in the real ceremony, but the Deacons were not happy. Bree believed her parents could talk the Deacons out of it, but when her parents failed, Bree was forced to flee. In the video [[Motel Pool]], Bree revealed that the Deacons have considerable influence over the police department and the courts. Her fear of the Deacons is why she has never contacted the police about her situation.

Other Deacons were possibly seen in the video [[The Ceremony (video)|The Ceremony]], although only in brief glimpses. It was also revealed in the production credits that the Deacon seen in [[On The Run]] is [[Kenneth Goodfried]], father of [[Greg Goodfried]].

After the Deacons were mentioned in [[45 Seconds|early January 2007]] as being involved in the death of Bree's dad, they were not mentioned by any character - except being referenced in the whiteboard in [[About The Gun]] (April 16, 2007) - until Sonia's claim in [[We All Make Mistakes]] (Oct. 8, 2007) that a Deacon told her and Carl that someone had "disobeyed the principals of the Hymn of One." Sonia believes he was referring to the rogue Elder that the [[My Fatal Mistake|Watcher told Jonas about]] after Emma was taken away by Claire.

A Deacon was also seen in [[They'll Do Anything]], attempting to prevent [[Sonia]], [[Daniel]], and [[Jonas]] from kidnapping the [[Ceremony baby]] from her [[Adopting couple|adoptive Hymn of One parents]]. This Deacon ended up getting shot by a misfired bullet from a [[Watcher]].

Deacons are also responsible for presiding over the Hymn of One's marriage equivalent, "[[Julia & Rupert|The Bond of Eternal Unity]]."

==Relation to Elders==
In the video, [[I Completed The Ceremony]], Bree first mentions meeting The Elders of her religion.
In the whiteboard in [[About The Gun]] (Apr. 16, 2007), the Deacons are shown as being junior to [[Elder|Elders]].

==Deacons in Other Religions==
A deacon is commonly known as a role in the Christian Church which is generally associated with service of some kind.<ref>{{wikipedia|Deacon|Wikipedia article "Deacon"}}</ref> However, the term "deacon" is not exclusively Christian. "In Scots language, the title deacon is used for head-workman, a master or chairman of a trade guild, or one who is adept, expert, and proficient. The term deaconry refers to the office of a deacon or the trade guild unders a deacon."<ref>{{wikipedia|Deacon#Scots_usage|Secular usage of "deacon"}}</ref>

"Deacon" is also a title in the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica<ref>{{wikipedia|Ecclesia_Gnostica_Catholica|Wikipedia article "Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica"}}</ref> (EGC), the ecclesiastical arm of Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO). OTO is an international fraternal initiatory organization devoted to promulgating the Law of [[Thelema]].

==Fan-fiction commenter==
On the comment boards, a user has left comments after several videos, claiming to be The Deacons. This poster is believed to be fan fiction. More information on these posts can be found at [[The Deacons (commenter)]].

==See Also==
*[[Donovan Langley]]

==References==
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Watcher

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| image = Tmitbs.jpg
| first = [[Exploring The Motel]]
| last = [[Prom: It's To Die For - Part 2]]
| age =
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| actor = [[Greg Goodfried]], [[Joe Rubin]], [[Miles Beckett]], [[Frank Zajaczkowski]], [[Mesh Flinders]], [[Seth Jacobs]], and [[Pete Gibbons]]
}}
'''Watchers''' are members of the [[Hymn of One]] who seem to mysteriously follow the [[TAAG]]. They often wear black suits and sunglasses, and can be identified by a distinctive symbol on their hand.

==Gemma's introduction==
[[image:Watcher symbol.JPG|left|thumb|100px|Watcher symbol.]]
The Watcher was first seen in the video [[Exploring The Motel]] (Nov. 14, 2006) and subsequently in [[Breakfast In Bed]]. He was referred to as "the man in the suit" until [[Gemma]] noticed a smudge on his hand. After doing some research she realized that the symbol was that of a Watcher. [[A Watcher|According to Gemma]], Watchers "''operate a bit like an order of knights, and I don't mean like the Knights of the Round Table. It's confusing, but I think The Watchers are a modern version of them or part of the Order.''" This description scared [[Bree]] and [[Daniel]], who decided to try to [[Fleeing The Watcher|flee the Watcher]].

{{Clr}}

==True description==
[[Image:0163-Watcher-Violence.jpg|right|thumb|Watcher using violence.]]
After Gemma was exposed as an [[OpAphid]] agent<ref>[[Tachyon]] videos [[Gemma? (Part I)|Gemma? [Part I]]], [[Gemma? (Part II)|[Part II]]], and [[Gemma? (Part III)|[Part III]]]</ref>, the credibility of the information she provided on Watchers was called into question. For a long time, the truth about Watchers remained unclear. However, in a daring move to help save her [[Jonas|nephew]], [[Alex]] [[Proceed with Caution|double-crossed]] [[the Order]] and explained the true nature of Watchers. According to her, "''a Watcher is a part of a 20-member team whose only mission is to protect girls like Bree. They have no knowledge whatsoever of [[the Ceremony]], they've never even heard of it. They're members of the [[Hymn of One]] and they don't know anything about the Order, its intentions, its makeup; they don't even know the Order exists. Be that as it may, Watchers will absolutely use violence if violence is used first, and if that's the case, watch out! These guys make Marine Corps look like Quakers.''"
{{Clr}}

==References==
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==See Also==
*[[Bree's Watcher]]
*[[Virgil]]
*[[Kate's Watcher]]

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Security guard

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{{update}}
{{Person
| name = Security guards
| image = Wyman Security Personnel.jpg
| age = Various
| birthday =
| youtube =
| revver =
| myspace =
| actor = [[Ian Schwartz]], [[lonelygirl15 cameos#Ryan McCarthy|Ryan McCarthy]], [[lonelygirl15 cameos#Lee Miller|Lee Miller]], [[lonelygirl15 cameos#Brandon Burkhart|Brandon Burkhart]], [[KateModern cameos#Ashley Lourey|Ashley Lourey]], [[Lonelygirl15 cameos#Randall Mills|Randall Mills]], [[John Palmer]]
| first = [[Mission Possible]]
| last = [[Name the Traitor!]]
}}
'''Security guards''' are hired security personnel, who have been seen at a number of [[lonelygirl15]] events. They are also known as '''bodyguards''' and '''Wyman security personnel.'''

==Appearances==
They first appeared at the [[Wyman Foundation]] in [[Mission Possible]], although the guard seen there was emotionally compromised by [[Sarah]] and did not do his job properly. Three more guards were seen in [[What's Going on?]]. The first one tried to stop [[Jonas]], [[Daniel]], [[Mallory]], and Sarah from entering a private meeting, but failed. He then called in two other security guards in white shirts and [[Lucy]] for backup. Once again, [[TAAG]] got away from the personnel, however, at the end of the video a guard can be heard shouting, "''Next time!''" In [[Bree's Mom]], a bodyguard was seen escorting [[Elizabeth Avery]] to her car.

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Talk:Sonia

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Wow, Sonia is terrifying in that picture! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 21:45, 5 August 2008 (CDT)

Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15

2008-08-06T02:41:30Z

Nancypants: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */

== New Jonas Picture? ==
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]

:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]

== Spencer ==

If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

== Screenshots? ==
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]

== Missions ==

This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

== OpAphid ==

OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

== Someone!!! ==

Someone
tell
me
how
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a
video
up!?

== Outdating ==

Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie

:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]

:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)

I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)

:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)

== New Series Portal Images ==

Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]] 
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}

== Emma ==

Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault.

Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007

== New Bree Portal Image ==
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)

::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)

:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)

== Current Main Characters?? ==

I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)

Yay.
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.

:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007

I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)

So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?

== Opinions on new news design? ==

Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks. 
Known problems:
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

::Thanks :)
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome''' Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)

:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)

== Brand New Images ==

So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)

[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!

I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)

::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)

==Dates for videos==
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)
:I say they all should list the date.
::[[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)

== 'Breeniverse' ==

This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])

== New portal image ==

So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.

What do you think?

[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)

::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)

== New portal title image. ==

I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.

it would look like this: 
{{header|1=[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]|off=yes}} I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.) 
::Here: 
::{{header|1=[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]|off=yes}} 
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}

== GINA ==

Put up sideline pitcure of Gina

RESPOND!
RESPOND
RESPOND
RESPOND
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)

#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==

Please Respond!

== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==

New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)

==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==

:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==

I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

== Portal Images ==

I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :) 
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]] 
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]

== Steve on LG15? ==
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)

== REMOVING SARAH? ==
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)

== Redesign ==

So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]

Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)

Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.

==Main Character Merit==
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant).
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)

== Order of Characters ==

Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)

== Gina on the character row ==

What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)

::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)

she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.

==Video Screencap Redirects==
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)

==Character Row Post Aug 1==
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.

The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.

The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...

*Bree - 153
*Daniel - 273
*Gemma - 21
*Jonas - 242
*OpAphid - 33
*Tachyon - 12
*Alex - 15
*Sarah - 134
*Taylor - 47
*Spencer - 24
*Emma - 62
*Mallory - 22
*Jennie - 76
*Gina - 61

Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)

::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.

::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)

[[Image:KM-Portal-Eight-Characters.png|right|400px]]
::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:

::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah 
::::::::Taylor Emma Jennie Gina

:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)

::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]
::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}

::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}

::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}

::...gotta love how these things turn out.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)

::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008

::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)

:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)

For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)

::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008

{{clr}}[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images-Fixed.png|right|400px]]
:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)

::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)

:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)

::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -
:'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months
:'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88
:'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88
:'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.
:'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.
:'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3.
:'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.
:'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.
:'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)

I agree!

::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that 8 smaller pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)

:::I'd say so. Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)
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::::{{quote|Phisho, 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST) |So, '''there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus''' that 8 smaller pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option?}}
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I'd say so.}}

::::'''Discussion participants (8):'''
::::*Zoey
::::*Phisho
::::*Jonpro
::::*Milowent
::::*LimePenguin
::::*KindredPhantom
::::*Bobby G
::::*FH14

::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about '''ten different posters''' on this discussion page, that '''just not a good consensus'''. [...] And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the '''lack of discussion here''' (myself included) '''just shows such a consensus isn't there''' and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}
::::(emphasis added)
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}

::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we'll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that.}}

::::'''Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.'''
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned "I agree!" that you failed to mention.

::::::While we're on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we're doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn't until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)

::::Unsurprisingly, that is a '''lie'''. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a "good consensus" for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what's being discussed, it's a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. '''Either 10 people ''can'' form a "good consensus" on LGPedia, or not.''' Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was ''entirely'' about the character row. So even ''if'' these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the ''same thing''.

::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a "good consensus", and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, ''even less visible than before'', for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it's all good.
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It's happening. Right here. Right now.

::::This discussion '''proves''' that I acted exactly as the administration did ''and does to this very day''.
::::'''Renounce''' the ''still'' unproven allegations against me. '''Admit''' that the ban against me was unnecessary. '''Clear my name.'''
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)
::::@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, "only" one is a sign that I had ''more'' support.

:::::It's not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don't have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.

:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users' actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)

::::::How is it not true?
::::::'''The question of whether or not 10 users can form a "good consensus" on LGPedia is independent from what the consensus is about.'''
::::::'''The question of how to publish an impending change on LGPedia is independent from what that change is.'''
::::::Fact is, I behaved ''exactly'' as the administration, and I got reverted, yelled at, libeled and ultimately banned, while Jonpro does the same and happily moves on to the next topic. This behavior is independent from the discussions it happened in. The fact that it was essentially the same discussion only serves to emphasize the hypocrisy.
::::::In fact, you're saying it quite well: "Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy." - fuck what the 1111+ registered users want. Give them the illusion of participation, and then do what ''the administration'' already decided anyway.
::::::You're trying to pretend the discussions were different. If you still didn't understand the concept of the series ''ending'' on August 1st, and how that means that there will be no new lonelygirl15 videos, making the Character Row indeed permanent, representing the central cast of lonelygirl15 for the rest of times, then I think you should first become aware of the intentions and background of this discussion, before trying to tell me I got it wrong.
::::::Both discussions are about a permanent change on the portal. Both administration-led discussions are solely about the character row. Three times, the same way of decision making was used. The one time it wasn't by the administration, there was retaliation.

::::::Oh, btw: On what grounds do you decide when it is necessary to discuss a change with the userbase, and when not?

::::::And for the record, yes, I am opposed to the 8-char-char-row as depicted above. Independent from the fuckup that is the code by now, independent from the fact that the design was destroyed last time anyway, the change proposed misaligns the gradients of the film strip and its border, and it makes the header area inexplicably break off in the middle. Compare the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal. Correctly, in the lg15 one, the header area spawns off-screen, and the film strip is clearly below it. Thanks to the design crew's great skill of "cropping this shit until it fits", the Katemodern one looks like the upper film border and the strip are behind the header area, while, magically, the lower film border is in front of the header, hiding its lower part.
::::::The lg15 header area has a clear volume and a clear position on the z-axis, hovering over the film strip, which has one continuous gradient coloring.
::::::The KM header is illogically cut off, the film strip's coloring is destroyed. There is simply nothing left of the design elements in the KM version. The fact that the header has a volume? Destroyed. If it has, where is that seen at the lower end? The fact that it hovers over the film strip? Gone. Where's the correct shadowing? The fact that the film strip is a film strip? If it is, how come the lower end is totally out of sync with the rest of the supposed strip? How come the header is visually coming out from behind it?

::::::Then again, it doesn't surprise me - I've seen last time that people around here apparently think a design works always and under any circumstances, no matter how and where it is modified. It's like slashing a car's tires and assuming it'll still work fine, based on the fact that it still mostly looks like before.
::::::If you have different needs than this design can provide, than you have to redesign. It's as simple as that. You cannot change half the design to fit your needs, and then pretend it is still the same as before and works fine. It might still look pretty, simply because anything looks better than what we had before, but it is very much not a coherent design anymore.

::::::Mind you, had the administration allowed me to design for actually functional browsers, all of this would be a non-issue. The film strip could harbor ''all'' character icons, and there would simply be a scroll bar to go through them. Or, alternatively, character icons would go ''under'' the header, so it looks like a design element instead of a bug.
::::::Alas, all hail the Internet Explorer 6 crowd!
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:40, 27 July 2008 (CDT)

:::::::I fail to see what you see when it comes to the problems with the film strip image, but if you have a problem with it, fix it. The fact is, this discussion is different from the portal redesign discussion '''because we have a deadline'''. The series is ending on August 1st, and we need to have a new portal to reflect the series ending. If the "1,111+" members don't voice their opinion in the discussion by the deadline, we have no choice. We need to figure something out by Friday, and it seems that most people in this discussion (everybody except you and Zoey) agree that an eight-character row of smaller pictures is the way to go. No one has brought up any viable alternatives. If you have one, go ahead. Make this easier. We need an answer by Friday though.

:::::::Oh, and one more thing. You say that we ended up doing "exactly as the administration wanted," but from what I can tell, Zoey is quite opposed to an eight-character row, and the first person to suggest a row of 8 characters was myself. Jonpro didn't quite agree at first either, and Pheon is absent. Explain to me how "the admins pulled the wool over eyes once again to make us look like we had a voice even though all three are oppressive dictators who ban people for doing exactly what they do." Perhaps not a direct quote, but you get the point.--[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:05, 28 July 2008 (CDT)

::::::::Oh please...you know what a deadline is? When the Creators say "You have two weeks to create these portals for us. No help, just do it.". Where the hell is there a deadline here? Not a single piece of content will be missing if it takes another day or two to update the character row. Nobody expects any specific icons to magically pop up on August 1st.
::::::::Hell, not even lonelygirl15.com, the main site of all main sites for lonelygirl15 will be changed to reflect everything - they'll just freeze it once the new site is up. What exactly creates a vital deadline that under no circumstances must be missed here? I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get to Spencer's page just fine on August 2nd, no matter if you decide to put a link on the portal or not.

::::::::You wanna be all panicky? You want everything to be in place by Friday, so the second the series is over, the eternal portal stands?
::::::::Then how come you haven't decided on which pictures to use for the content boxes yet?
::::::::Or how to balance out the fact that lonelygirl15 had 3 seasons, as opposed to the 2 on the KM portal?
::::::::Do you want to keep the position that links to bebo, and replace it with YouTube?

::::::::There are a dozen things you still have to decide in order to create the finished eternal portal. Stop trying to pretend this is oh-so-dramatically urgent. If it was, Zoey would be on your ass to finish it ''right now''.
::::::::I know - because, other than you, I have worked with ''actual'' deadlines.

::::::::And no, I will not do you the favor of fixing the fuckup for you. You asked if I had a problem with it, I answered your question. If you don't like the answer, tough luck. I don't care enough to fix your problems for you.

::::::::As for the matter of doing the administration's bidding - sorry to shatter your little world, but the idea to change the row was brought up by Zoey, and the technique how it will ultimately be done was posted and confirmed by Jon. Your only "major" contribution was advocating 8 instead of 6 icons. You are doing exactly what the administration wants because you a) do what Zoey wants by changing it in the first place, and b) do what Jonpro wants by changing it in the way he proposed.
::::::::Or are you trying to tell me two more icons are revolution of the userbase? A sign of power?
::::::::The idea came from Zoey, the way of execution from Jon. You just asked for a little more of it.
::::::::And hell, what did you even decide? Looking up there, all I see is that everybody happily accepted 8 small pictures.
::::::::...eight small pictures of ''whom''?
::::::::You have this oh-so-vital deadline that must not, under any circumstances, be missed, and yet, I cannot find a final vote or any consensus on who should take up those 8 spots you fought oh-so-hard for.
::::::::So. Let's say nothing stands in your way, Zoey doesn't revert and ban you, you happily ignore me, and get your 8 small spots up just in time for the last second of the last episode
::::::::...who will be in those spots?
::::::::...based on whose decision?

::::::::You are telling me ''in bold'' that you have phantom deadline that has to be kept, yet out of all the things that have to be done, all you have managed to do is reach a consensus on the size and number of icon slots.
::::::::*You have no decision on who should fill the slots
::::::::*You have no decision on which pictures/episodes should represent the seasons
::::::::*You have no decision on whether to keep Additional Viewing with just two links
::::::::*You have no decision on how to handle the fact that LG15's left column will be one box longer
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Taylor's Jumper adventures
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Community Appreciation Week
::::::::And that's just the stuff I can come up with on the spot.
::::::::All you have is "8 small". You have managed to follow the administration's lead on a tiny design element for a page that must go live in its entirety in three days, or the world will end. Way to prepare for the invisible deadline of doom. LG15 is vastly longer and vastly different than KateModern. Deciding upon the character row icon size does not magically adapt the entire format of the KM portal for LG15.

::::::::(...or is this the part where you decide community consensus is unnecessary, and just make up the rest of the content on the spot, no matter what others think?)

::::::::You wanna play "OMG WE HAVE TO MEET THE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!"? Then you better get to work. 'cause you have three days to create an entire site!
::::::::And make no mistake: So far you have only ''decided upon'' 8 small icons. You haven't actually ''implemented'' it yet. Your entire work to meet the oh-so-important deadline in three days, so far, consists of making one single decision.
::::::::You don't have anything. You have an idea. A partial plan. You have ''nothing'' that meets the deadline of doom.

::::::::And you don't seem to be all that concerned about that. So quit fucking giving me shit about how it's soooo important to be done by August 1st. Because, quite evidently, no one on this page, including you, sees it that way. Or else there would be a lot more panic, a lot more discussion, and simply a lot more ''work'' here.

::::::::Oh and btw: The irony that you insist this discussion is entirely different from the previous one, when, once more, the only issue is the character row, and, once more, the only dissenting opinion is Zoey, is hilarious.
:::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:41, 29 July 2008 (CDT)

:::::::::Don't tell me that I have had no experience with deadlines. There's no room for personal attacks here. I'm not trying to fight you, so there's no need to fight back. Now, I understand that there are other issues that need to be worked out, but I'm concerned with the character row. If there's another discussion somewhere, I'll contribute to that too, but right now, I'm focusing on the character row. The only question you brought up about the row was..."Who's going to be in it?" Well...

:::::::::{{quote|Phisho 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)|If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina.}}

:::::::::{{quote|LimePenguin 19:55, 7 July 2008|My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina.}}

:::::::::{{quote|KindredPhantom 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)| Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.}}

:::::::::{{quote|FH14 18 July 2008 (EST)|For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. }}

:::::::::{{quote|Nancypants 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)|So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive...}}

:::::::::Yeah, one user even thought we were being repetitive. Anyway, if anyone has any objections with Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina, could you go ahead and speak up if you haven't already, please? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:32, 29 July 2008 (CDT)

::::::::::So wait...you're trying to convince me that it's rather clear...by repeating that, a week later, people still had to ask what was decided, because there was no official decision? You're trying to pretend it's already settled, then ask people for more opinions?
::::::::::Your perception of reality is WARPED, dude.
::::::::::Either you're done, or you're not done. If you're not done, embrace the question below us, stick to your request for comments, and accept you're not done. If you're done, proclaim the winners and stop asking for opinions on this. (After all, you don't have time to discuss this - you're on the hyper-important murder-deadline of doom.)
::::::::::You can't pretend I'm wrong and behave like the decision has been made, and then prove yourself that nobody has made a decision.
::::::::::If the decision has been made, point out where it has been made. If not, suck it up and accept that I was right, and that you have ''not'' made a final decision yet.

::::::::::Oh and btw: If you do indeed have experience with deadlines, then you probably know you'll miss this one - at least assuming you don't decide community consensus is unnecessary, and Phisho knows best.
:::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:32, 30 July 2008 (CDT)

:So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what's been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I'm ''sure'' you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)
::Yeah, I think that's exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I ''did'' miss you, even though I don't know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)

Well, shouldn't someone make a mock up of, you know, LG15 characters for the character row? Although I don't care about all this irrelevant arguing brought about by Renegade, he is making a good point about the fact that we haven't discussed what pictures to use and we don't even have an example of what it will look like. I'd make one but don't know how and probably don't have time. And Ren, if you'd have just dropped it when you came back nobody would even remember you'd been banned. And believe me, nobody will ever care enough to "clear your name". Why don't you just start constructively contributing again? It would sure be a lot more helpful, because really your just screwing up the discussion with your irrelevant grudges from the past. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:24, 31 July 2008 (CDT)

:Right. How about I publicly accuse you of murder and then just leave?
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:18, 31 July 2008 (CDT)

:::Perhaps because the two aren't equivalent. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)

::::Murder?! Somebody's being a little dramatic here. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)

Sorry guys, I could have sworn I posted this! Some other pediapods and I made this mockup [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] of the page. It still has the larger icons, but it's otherwise set, I think. Come Saturday we'll probably go live with this design (with the smaller icons, of course). Please let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:02, 1 August 2008 (CDT)

:Excellent! And, actually, the larger icons threw me off; I now prefer it with the smaller ones. I was wondering why you weren't contributing to this discussion. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)

::Awesome, looks good, and I do like the smaller icons definitely. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)

Just a note on this whole thing: if there is anyone who is willing/able to make improvements to the design, please go for it. As always on a page like this, see what people think of it first, but if it gains acceptance then we can implement it. These portals are not set in stone. If improvements can be made, there's absolutely no reason why we wouldn't make them.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:32, 1 August 2008 (CDT)

:Hmm...I can't say that I like the Season 3 picture. The black-and-white throws it off from the rest of the page. I suggest a picture of Gina, and then we have Bree, Emma, and Gina for each season? Whatever we do, let's make it color. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)

Okay um... how about...

[[Image:0420-GinaDaniel.JPG|150px]] [[Image:0425-Gina2.jpg|150px]] [[Image:0471-RoundtheLaptop.jpg|150px]]

Any of those? I'll keep looking, that's just what I saw first. (Personally I like the one with Gina drawing. It was such a big deal... her drawings and all. And it's a nice picture.) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:16, 3 August 2008 (CDT)

::It (the second picture, with Gina drawing) is a nice picture, and it matches the other season pictures. I like it. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:33, 3 August 2008 (CDT)

::Sorry for the double-edit, but I also really like this one. {{clr}} [[Image:0467-Gina_cries-none.jpg|150px]]

::If you look on the main page, the picture of Bree has her with her head on her knee, and she looks worried. Emma looks worried in the Season 2 picture, and to have a picture of Gina crying would be sort of symbolic, I suppose. Thoughts? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:39, 3 August 2008 (CDT)

:::Personally I like the one of her drawing, I don't think we need everyone looking depressed. In fact, now that you mention it, what about replacing the Bree one with one of these (I like the first best, I think)? Otherwise I do still really like the First Blog pic, so I'm fine keeping that. I'm just trying to think of something... happier?

::::[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|150px]] [[Image:Breee.JPG|150px]]

:::Just my thoughts though, lets see what other people say! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:59, 3 August 2008 (CDT)

I like the one of her drawing, definitely think we should use that one. I agree about not liking the B&W pic. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:20, 4 August 2008 (CDT)

I tested out the Bree pix, and I really like the first one, but I think it's weird with Bree and Emma both having P Monkey.. it seems off balance without Gina having him. So I think as far as that is concerned we should either keep the current Bree or if we replace Bree, we should replace Emma as well. However, I kind of like the current Bree and the current Emma, so yeah. Also, I'll wait 'til tomorrow, otherwise I'll go ahead and update the Season 3 pic to the one of Gina drawing. :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)

EDIT: Ahh I think I've got it. What do you think: [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:46, 4 August 2008 (CDT)

:No complaints here! Thanks, Zoey. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:29, 4 August 2008 (CDT)

::Looks excellent! Glad we used that pic of Gina, it's one of my favorites! And the pic of Bree is so...''Bree''. Great job, Zoey. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 21:41, 5 August 2008 (CDT)

<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at the portal* 
<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at previous statements* 
<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at the date* 
Guess we're all doomed now - you missed the ultra-hyper-mega-cannot-be-missed-important deadline! :O
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:55, 2 August 2008 (CDT)

==Forum Link==
Now that it's removed from the side bar, shouldn't there still be a link to the forum from this page?--[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 14:32, 3 August 2008 (CDT)

:I concur. Does the KateModern page have a link? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)
::Added.--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)

== Character Row Updates ==

Since the creators included Maxwell Glick as a starring actor in the [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=676 credits], should we considering adding Spencer to the main characters row? Also: they listed Alexandra before Becki (which is true, in order of ''official'' appearance), so should we switch those two around as well? It just makes sense to me to use what the Creators established in the credits video. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:55, 4 August 2008 (CDT)
:Eh, they also listed DelMundo and PharmaGuy as recurring, and they aren't listed that way on our page. I think the way we have it now is fine, personally. I mean, Spencer appeared in nearly 40 less videos than the lowest main character (Gina). I think that's a pretty clear line there. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)
::Maybe we should consider changing those too, then? Ha ha - sorry, not trying to be complicated, I just '''love''' consistency. I know it was decided that eight characters would be in the row, but I wanted to point it out anyways, in case we wanted to make a change to agree with the Creators. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]]
:::Oh, that seems silly to me. They didn't list everyone who's ever been in the crew, but we're not updating our pages to disclude anyone for consistency. Our method is solid, my vote is to stick with it. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:48, 4 August 2008 (CDT)
::::You make a good point. If anyone else wants to stand up for Spencer, I'll support them... but for now, I'm content with the way it is. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:51, 4 August 2008 (CDT)
:::::For the record, I'm a nut for consistency too :P --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:53, 4 August 2008 (CDT)
::::::I noticed that too, and came straight here...and a discussion was already underway! I don't see Spencer as a main character at all, but I'm also a nut for consistency. I could be swayed both ways, but..."if it ain't broke, don't fix it," right? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:29, 4 August 2008 (CDT)

==Capitalization==

I've been meaning to bring this up for a while, but I keep forgetting. The show's technically called "lonelygirl15," with a lowercase ''l'' since that's how Bree's youtube account was created, right? Well...there are multiple instances of the ''l'' being capitalized on the Portal page, and I'm sure that there are instances elsewhere in the 'pedia. Is that something a bot could fix? I don't exactly know how to do that. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:32, 4 August 2008 (CDT)

:Yes, the lowercase title is correct. But when it's at the beginning of a sentence, I think it should still be capitalized, just like any other word. I can run something with [[User:LGBot|LGBot]] tomorrow to try to fix the capitalization pedia-wide, if no one beats me to it.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 01:06, 5 August 2008 (CDT)

Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15

2008-08-04T19:20:58Z

Nancypants: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */

== New Jonas Picture? ==
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]

:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]

== Spencer ==

If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

== Screenshots? ==
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]

== Missions ==

This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

== OpAphid ==

OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

== Someone!!! ==

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== Outdating ==

Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie

:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]

:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)

I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)

:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)

== New Series Portal Images ==

Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]] 
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}

== Emma ==

Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault.

Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007

== New Bree Portal Image ==
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)

::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)

:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)

== Current Main Characters?? ==

I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)

Yay.
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.

:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007

I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)

So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?

== Opinions on new news design? ==

Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks. 
Known problems:
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

::Thanks :)
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome''' Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)

:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)

== Brand New Images ==

So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)

[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!

I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)

::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)

==Dates for videos==
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)
:I say they all should list the date.
::[[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)

== 'Breeniverse' ==

This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])

== New portal image ==

So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.

What do you think?

[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)

::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)

== New portal title image. ==

I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.

it would look like this: 
{{header|1=[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]|off=yes}} I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.) 
::Here: 
::{{header|1=[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]|off=yes}} 
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}

== GINA ==

Put up sideline pitcure of Gina

RESPOND!
RESPOND
RESPOND
RESPOND
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)

#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==

Please Respond!

== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==

New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)

==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==

:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==

I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

== Portal Images ==

I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :) 
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]] 
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]

== Steve on LG15? ==
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)

== REMOVING SARAH? ==
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)

== Redesign ==

So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]

Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)

Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.

==Main Character Merit==
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant).
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)

== Order of Characters ==

Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)

== Gina on the character row ==

What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)

::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)

she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.

==Video Screencap Redirects==
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)

==Character Row Post Aug 1==
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.

The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.

The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...

*Bree - 153
*Daniel - 273
*Gemma - 21
*Jonas - 242
*OpAphid - 33
*Tachyon - 12
*Alex - 15
*Sarah - 134
*Taylor - 47
*Spencer - 24
*Emma - 62
*Mallory - 22
*Jennie - 76
*Gina - 61

Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)

::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.

::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)

[[Image:KM-Portal-Eight-Characters.png|right|400px]]
::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:

::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah 
::::::::Taylor Emma Jennie Gina

:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)

::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]
::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}

::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}

::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}

::...gotta love how these things turn out.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)

::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008

::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)

:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)

For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)

::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008

{{clr}}[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images-Fixed.png|right|400px]]
:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)

::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)

:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)

::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -
:'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months
:'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88
:'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88
:'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.
:'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.
:'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3.
:'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.
:'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.
:'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)

I agree!

::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that 8 smaller pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)

:::I'd say so. Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)
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::::{{quote|Phisho, 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST) |So, '''there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus''' that 8 smaller pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option?}}
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I'd say so.}}

::::'''Discussion participants (8):'''
::::*Zoey
::::*Phisho
::::*Jonpro
::::*Milowent
::::*LimePenguin
::::*KindredPhantom
::::*Bobby G
::::*FH14

::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about '''ten different posters''' on this discussion page, that '''just not a good consensus'''. [...] And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the '''lack of discussion here''' (myself included) '''just shows such a consensus isn't there''' and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}
::::(emphasis added)
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}

::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we'll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that.}}

::::'''Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.'''
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned "I agree!" that you failed to mention.

::::::While we're on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we're doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn't until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)

::::Unsurprisingly, that is a '''lie'''. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a "good consensus" for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what's being discussed, it's a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. '''Either 10 people ''can'' form a "good consensus" on LGPedia, or not.''' Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was ''entirely'' about the character row. So even ''if'' these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the ''same thing''.

::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a "good consensus", and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, ''even less visible than before'', for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it's all good.
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It's happening. Right here. Right now.

::::This discussion '''proves''' that I acted exactly as the administration did ''and does to this very day''.
::::'''Renounce''' the ''still'' unproven allegations against me. '''Admit''' that the ban against me was unnecessary. '''Clear my name.'''
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)
::::@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, "only" one is a sign that I had ''more'' support.

:::::It's not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don't have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.

:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users' actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)

::::::How is it not true?
::::::'''The question of whether or not 10 users can form a "good consensus" on LGPedia is independent from what the consensus is about.'''
::::::'''The question of how to publish an impending change on LGPedia is independent from what that change is.'''
::::::Fact is, I behaved ''exactly'' as the administration, and I got reverted, yelled at, libeled and ultimately banned, while Jonpro does the same and happily moves on to the next topic. This behavior is independent from the discussions it happened in. The fact that it was essentially the same discussion only serves to emphasize the hypocrisy.
::::::In fact, you're saying it quite well: "Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy." - fuck what the 1111+ registered users want. Give them the illusion of participation, and then do what ''the administration'' already decided anyway.
::::::You're trying to pretend the discussions were different. If you still didn't understand the concept of the series ''ending'' on August 1st, and how that means that there will be no new lonelygirl15 videos, making the Character Row indeed permanent, representing the central cast of lonelygirl15 for the rest of times, then I think you should first become aware of the intentions and background of this discussion, before trying to tell me I got it wrong.
::::::Both discussions are about a permanent change on the portal. Both administration-led discussions are solely about the character row. Three times, the same way of decision making was used. The one time it wasn't by the administration, there was retaliation.

::::::Oh, btw: On what grounds do you decide when it is necessary to discuss a change with the userbase, and when not?

::::::And for the record, yes, I am opposed to the 8-char-char-row as depicted above. Independent from the fuckup that is the code by now, independent from the fact that the design was destroyed last time anyway, the change proposed misaligns the gradients of the film strip and its border, and it makes the header area inexplicably break off in the middle. Compare the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal. Correctly, in the lg15 one, the header area spawns off-screen, and the film strip is clearly below it. Thanks to the design crew's great skill of "cropping this shit until it fits", the Katemodern one looks like the upper film border and the strip are behind the header area, while, magically, the lower film border is in front of the header, hiding its lower part.
::::::The lg15 header area has a clear volume and a clear position on the z-axis, hovering over the film strip, which has one continuous gradient coloring.
::::::The KM header is illogically cut off, the film strip's coloring is destroyed. There is simply nothing left of the design elements in the KM version. The fact that the header has a volume? Destroyed. If it has, where is that seen at the lower end? The fact that it hovers over the film strip? Gone. Where's the correct shadowing? The fact that the film strip is a film strip? If it is, how come the lower end is totally out of sync with the rest of the supposed strip? How come the header is visually coming out from behind it?

::::::Then again, it doesn't surprise me - I've seen last time that people around here apparently think a design works always and under any circumstances, no matter how and where it is modified. It's like slashing a car's tires and assuming it'll still work fine, based on the fact that it still mostly looks like before.
::::::If you have different needs than this design can provide, than you have to redesign. It's as simple as that. You cannot change half the design to fit your needs, and then pretend it is still the same as before and works fine. It might still look pretty, simply because anything looks better than what we had before, but it is very much not a coherent design anymore.

::::::Mind you, had the administration allowed me to design for actually functional browsers, all of this would be a non-issue. The film strip could harbor ''all'' character icons, and there would simply be a scroll bar to go through them. Or, alternatively, character icons would go ''under'' the header, so it looks like a design element instead of a bug.
::::::Alas, all hail the Internet Explorer 6 crowd!
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:40, 27 July 2008 (CDT)

:::::::I fail to see what you see when it comes to the problems with the film strip image, but if you have a problem with it, fix it. The fact is, this discussion is different from the portal redesign discussion '''because we have a deadline'''. The series is ending on August 1st, and we need to have a new portal to reflect the series ending. If the "1,111+" members don't voice their opinion in the discussion by the deadline, we have no choice. We need to figure something out by Friday, and it seems that most people in this discussion (everybody except you and Zoey) agree that an eight-character row of smaller pictures is the way to go. No one has brought up any viable alternatives. If you have one, go ahead. Make this easier. We need an answer by Friday though.

:::::::Oh, and one more thing. You say that we ended up doing "exactly as the administration wanted," but from what I can tell, Zoey is quite opposed to an eight-character row, and the first person to suggest a row of 8 characters was myself. Jonpro didn't quite agree at first either, and Pheon is absent. Explain to me how "the admins pulled the wool over eyes once again to make us look like we had a voice even though all three are oppressive dictators who ban people for doing exactly what they do." Perhaps not a direct quote, but you get the point.--[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:05, 28 July 2008 (CDT)

::::::::Oh please...you know what a deadline is? When the Creators say "You have two weeks to create these portals for us. No help, just do it.". Where the hell is there a deadline here? Not a single piece of content will be missing if it takes another day or two to update the character row. Nobody expects any specific icons to magically pop up on August 1st.
::::::::Hell, not even lonelygirl15.com, the main site of all main sites for lonelygirl15 will be changed to reflect everything - they'll just freeze it once the new site is up. What exactly creates a vital deadline that under no circumstances must be missed here? I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get to Spencer's page just fine on August 2nd, no matter if you decide to put a link on the portal or not.

::::::::You wanna be all panicky? You want everything to be in place by Friday, so the second the series is over, the eternal portal stands?
::::::::Then how come you haven't decided on which pictures to use for the content boxes yet?
::::::::Or how to balance out the fact that lonelygirl15 had 3 seasons, as opposed to the 2 on the KM portal?
::::::::Do you want to keep the position that links to bebo, and replace it with YouTube?

::::::::There are a dozen things you still have to decide in order to create the finished eternal portal. Stop trying to pretend this is oh-so-dramatically urgent. If it was, Zoey would be on your ass to finish it ''right now''.
::::::::I know - because, other than you, I have worked with ''actual'' deadlines.

::::::::And no, I will not do you the favor of fixing the fuckup for you. You asked if I had a problem with it, I answered your question. If you don't like the answer, tough luck. I don't care enough to fix your problems for you.

::::::::As for the matter of doing the administration's bidding - sorry to shatter your little world, but the idea to change the row was brought up by Zoey, and the technique how it will ultimately be done was posted and confirmed by Jon. Your only "major" contribution was advocating 8 instead of 6 icons. You are doing exactly what the administration wants because you a) do what Zoey wants by changing it in the first place, and b) do what Jonpro wants by changing it in the way he proposed.
::::::::Or are you trying to tell me two more icons are revolution of the userbase? A sign of power?
::::::::The idea came from Zoey, the way of execution from Jon. You just asked for a little more of it.
::::::::And hell, what did you even decide? Looking up there, all I see is that everybody happily accepted 8 small pictures.
::::::::...eight small pictures of ''whom''?
::::::::You have this oh-so-vital deadline that must not, under any circumstances, be missed, and yet, I cannot find a final vote or any consensus on who should take up those 8 spots you fought oh-so-hard for.
::::::::So. Let's say nothing stands in your way, Zoey doesn't revert and ban you, you happily ignore me, and get your 8 small spots up just in time for the last second of the last episode
::::::::...who will be in those spots?
::::::::...based on whose decision?

::::::::You are telling me ''in bold'' that you have phantom deadline that has to be kept, yet out of all the things that have to be done, all you have managed to do is reach a consensus on the size and number of icon slots.
::::::::*You have no decision on who should fill the slots
::::::::*You have no decision on which pictures/episodes should represent the seasons
::::::::*You have no decision on whether to keep Additional Viewing with just two links
::::::::*You have no decision on how to handle the fact that LG15's left column will be one box longer
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Taylor's Jumper adventures
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Community Appreciation Week
::::::::And that's just the stuff I can come up with on the spot.
::::::::All you have is "8 small". You have managed to follow the administration's lead on a tiny design element for a page that must go live in its entirety in three days, or the world will end. Way to prepare for the invisible deadline of doom. LG15 is vastly longer and vastly different than KateModern. Deciding upon the character row icon size does not magically adapt the entire format of the KM portal for LG15.

::::::::(...or is this the part where you decide community consensus is unnecessary, and just make up the rest of the content on the spot, no matter what others think?)

::::::::You wanna play "OMG WE HAVE TO MEET THE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!"? Then you better get to work. 'cause you have three days to create an entire site!
::::::::And make no mistake: So far you have only ''decided upon'' 8 small icons. You haven't actually ''implemented'' it yet. Your entire work to meet the oh-so-important deadline in three days, so far, consists of making one single decision.
::::::::You don't have anything. You have an idea. A partial plan. You have ''nothing'' that meets the deadline of doom.

::::::::And you don't seem to be all that concerned about that. So quit fucking giving me shit about how it's soooo important to be done by August 1st. Because, quite evidently, no one on this page, including you, sees it that way. Or else there would be a lot more panic, a lot more discussion, and simply a lot more ''work'' here.

::::::::Oh and btw: The irony that you insist this discussion is entirely different from the previous one, when, once more, the only issue is the character row, and, once more, the only dissenting opinion is Zoey, is hilarious.
:::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:41, 29 July 2008 (CDT)

:::::::::Don't tell me that I have had no experience with deadlines. There's no room for personal attacks here. I'm not trying to fight you, so there's no need to fight back. Now, I understand that there are other issues that need to be worked out, but I'm concerned with the character row. If there's another discussion somewhere, I'll contribute to that too, but right now, I'm focusing on the character row. The only question you brought up about the row was..."Who's going to be in it?" Well...

:::::::::{{quote|Phisho 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)|If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina.}}

:::::::::{{quote|LimePenguin 19:55, 7 July 2008|My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina.}}

:::::::::{{quote|KindredPhantom 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)| Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.}}

:::::::::{{quote|FH14 18 July 2008 (EST)|For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. }}

:::::::::{{quote|Nancypants 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)|So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive...}}

:::::::::Yeah, one user even thought we were being repetitive. Anyway, if anyone has any objections with Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina, could you go ahead and speak up if you haven't already, please? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:32, 29 July 2008 (CDT)

::::::::::So wait...you're trying to convince me that it's rather clear...by repeating that, a week later, people still had to ask what was decided, because there was no official decision? You're trying to pretend it's already settled, then ask people for more opinions?
::::::::::Your perception of reality is WARPED, dude.
::::::::::Either you're done, or you're not done. If you're not done, embrace the question below us, stick to your request for comments, and accept you're not done. If you're done, proclaim the winners and stop asking for opinions on this. (After all, you don't have time to discuss this - you're on the hyper-important murder-deadline of doom.)
::::::::::You can't pretend I'm wrong and behave like the decision has been made, and then prove yourself that nobody has made a decision.
::::::::::If the decision has been made, point out where it has been made. If not, suck it up and accept that I was right, and that you have ''not'' made a final decision yet.

::::::::::Oh and btw: If you do indeed have experience with deadlines, then you probably know you'll miss this one - at least assuming you don't decide community consensus is unnecessary, and Phisho knows best.
:::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:32, 30 July 2008 (CDT)

:So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what's been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I'm ''sure'' you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)
::Yeah, I think that's exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I ''did'' miss you, even though I don't know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)

Well, shouldn't someone make a mock up of, you know, LG15 characters for the character row? Although I don't care about all this irrelevant arguing brought about by Renegade, he is making a good point about the fact that we haven't discussed what pictures to use and we don't even have an example of what it will look like. I'd make one but don't know how and probably don't have time. And Ren, if you'd have just dropped it when you came back nobody would even remember you'd been banned. And believe me, nobody will ever care enough to "clear your name". Why don't you just start constructively contributing again? It would sure be a lot more helpful, because really your just screwing up the discussion with your irrelevant grudges from the past. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:24, 31 July 2008 (CDT)

:Right. How about I publicly accuse you of murder and then just leave?
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:18, 31 July 2008 (CDT)

:::Perhaps because the two aren't equivalent. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)

::::Murder?! Somebody's being a little dramatic here. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)

Sorry guys, I could have sworn I posted this! Some other pediapods and I made this mockup [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] of the page. It still has the larger icons, but it's otherwise set, I think. Come Saturday we'll probably go live with this design (with the smaller icons, of course). Please let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:02, 1 August 2008 (CDT)

:Excellent! And, actually, the larger icons threw me off; I now prefer it with the smaller ones. I was wondering why you weren't contributing to this discussion. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)

::Awesome, looks good, and I do like the smaller icons definitely. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)

Just a note on this whole thing: if there is anyone who is willing/able to make improvements to the design, please go for it. As always on a page like this, see what people think of it first, but if it gains acceptance then we can implement it. These portals are not set in stone. If improvements can be made, there's absolutely no reason why we wouldn't make them.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:32, 1 August 2008 (CDT)

:Hmm...I can't say that I like the Season 3 picture. The black-and-white throws it off from the rest of the page. I suggest a picture of Gina, and then we have Bree, Emma, and Gina for each season? Whatever we do, let's make it color. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)

Okay um... how about...

[[Image:0420-GinaDaniel.JPG|150px]] [[Image:0425-Gina2.jpg|150px]] [[Image:0471-RoundtheLaptop.jpg|150px]]

Any of those? I'll keep looking, that's just what I saw first. (Personally I like the one with Gina drawing. It was such a big deal... her drawings and all. And it's a nice picture.) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:16, 3 August 2008 (CDT)

::It (the second picture, with Gina drawing) is a nice picture, and it matches the other season pictures. I like it. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:33, 3 August 2008 (CDT)

::Sorry for the double-edit, but I also really like this one. {{clr}} [[Image:0467-Gina_cries-none.jpg|150px]]

::If you look on the main page, the picture of Bree has her with her head on her knee, and she looks worried. Emma looks worried in the Season 2 picture, and to have a picture of Gina crying would be sort of symbolic, I suppose. Thoughts? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:39, 3 August 2008 (CDT)

:::Personally I like the one of her drawing, I don't think we need everyone looking depressed. In fact, now that you mention it, what about replacing the Bree one with one of these (I like the first best, I think)? Otherwise I do still really like the First Blog pic, so I'm fine keeping that. I'm just trying to think of something... happier?

::::[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|150px]] [[Image:Breee.JPG|150px]]

:::Just my thoughts though, lets see what other people say! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:59, 3 August 2008 (CDT)

I like the one of her drawing, definitely think we should use that one. I agree about not liking the B&W pic. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:20, 4 August 2008 (CDT)

<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at the portal* 
<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at previous statements* 
<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at the date* 
Guess we're all doomed now - you missed the ultra-hyper-mega-cannot-be-missed-important deadline! :O
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:55, 2 August 2008 (CDT)

==Forum Link==
Now that it's removed from the side bar, shouldn't there still be a link to the forum from this page?--[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 14:32, 3 August 2008 (CDT)

:I concur. Does the KateModern page have a link? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)

Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15

2008-08-01T19:41:55Z

Nancypants: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */

Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15

2008-08-01T00:24:31Z

Nancypants: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */

Elder

2008-07-28T19:23:47Z

Nancypants: Reverted edits by 75.48.10.36 (Talk); changed back to last version by FH14

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| image = Dr William Porter.jpg
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| actor = [[Cameos#Reza Bahador|Reza Bahador]], [[Valerie Cutko]], [[Cameos#Jay Laisne|Jay Laisne]], [[Cameos#Jason Wilburn|Jason Wilburn]]
| first = [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 10 of 12 – 5 pm]]
| last = [[Prom: It's To Die For - Part 4]]
| color = black
| tcolor = lightgray
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The '''Elders''', also known as '''The Order of Denderah''' ([[A Solid Lead]], April 26th, 2007) are the utmost figures of authority in the [[Hymn of One]].

Many members of the Hymn of One believe it is [[I Completed The Ceremony|an honor]] to be in the presence of an Elder. They greatly respect and revere these men and women. Because they are so important, Elders are extremely well protected by their aggressive, inhumane bodyguards called [[Shadow]]s, who cannot leave their sides unless permission is given.

However, it seems that the Elders are nothing more than the greedy masterminds behind [[the Order]] and more specifically, [[the Ceremony]]. The Elders are very old, as their name implies, and in order to stay alive as long as possible, they receive a transfusion of the blood of [[trait positive]] girls, such as [[Bree]]. Each transfusion extends an Elder's life [[The Weekend Starts Here?|40 - 50 years]]. Apparently there are twelve Elders who rotate in turn for a chance to be the recepient of a new Ceremony girl's life-giving blood.

==See also==
<div style="float: left;">
*[[Michelle Clore]]
*[[Rogue Elder]]
*[[Dr. William Porter]]
*[[Lord Carruthers]]
</div>
<div style="width: 182px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;">[[Image:Recreatewhiteboard.JPG|thumb|none|From the Resistance's [[the bunker|bunker]]. Where the Elders stand.]]</div>

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Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15

2008-07-26T01:44:06Z

Nancypants:

== New Jonas Picture? ==
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]

:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]

== Spencer ==

If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

== Screenshots? ==
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]

== Missions ==

This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

== OpAphid ==

OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

== Someone!!! ==

Someone
tell
me
how
to
put
a
video
up!?

== Outdating ==

Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie

:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]

:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)

I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)

:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)

== New Series Portal Images ==

Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]] 
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}

== Emma ==

Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault.

Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007

== New Bree Portal Image ==
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)

::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)

:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)

== Current Main Characters?? ==

I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)

Yay.
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.

:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007

I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)

So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?

== Opinions on new news design? ==

Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks. 
Known problems:
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

::Thanks :)
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome''' Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)

:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)

== Brand New Images ==

So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)

[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!

I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)

::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)

==Dates for videos==
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)
:I say they all should list the date.
::[[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)

== 'Breeniverse' ==

This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])

== New portal image ==

So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.

What do you think?

[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)

::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)

== New portal title image. ==

I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.

it would look like this: 
{{header|1=[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]|off=yes}} I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.) 
::Here: 
::{{header|1=[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]|off=yes}} 
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}

== GINA ==

Put up sideline pitcure of Gina

RESPOND!
RESPOND
RESPOND
RESPOND
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)

#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==

Please Respond!

== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==

New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)

==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==

:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==

I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

== Portal Images ==

I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :) 
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]] 
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]

== Steve on LG15? ==
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)

== REMOVING SARAH? ==
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)

== Redesign ==

So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]

Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)

Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.

==Main Character Merit==
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant).
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)

== Order of Characters ==

Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)

== Gina on the character row ==

What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)

::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)

she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.

==Video Screencap Redirects==
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)

==Character Row Post Aug 1==
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.

The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.

The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...

*Bree - 153
*Daniel - 273
*Gemma - 21
*Jonas - 242
*OpAphid - 33
*Tachyon - 12
*Alex - 15
*Sarah - 134
*Taylor - 47
*Spencer - 24
*Emma - 62
*Mallory - 22
*Jennie - 76
*Gina - 61

Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)

::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.

::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)

[[Image:KM-Portal-Eight-Characters.png|right|400px]]
::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:

::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah 
::::::::Taylor Emma Jennie Gina

:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)

::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]
::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}

::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}

::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}

::...gotta love how these things turn out.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)

::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008

::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)

:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)

For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)

::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008

{{clr}}[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images-Fixed.png|right|400px]]
:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)

::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)

:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)

::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -
:'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months
:'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88
:'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88
:'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.
:'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.
:'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3.
:'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.
:'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.
:'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)

I agree!

::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that 8 smaller pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)

:::I'd say so. Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)
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::::{{quote|Phisho, 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST) |So, '''there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus''' that 8 smaller pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option?}}
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I'd say so.}}

::::'''Discussion participants (8):'''
::::*Zoey
::::*Phisho
::::*Jonpro
::::*Milowent
::::*LimePenguin
::::*KindredPhantom
::::*Bobby G
::::*FH14

::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about '''ten different posters''' on this discussion page, that '''just not a good consensus'''. [...] And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the '''lack of discussion here''' (myself included) '''just shows such a consensus isn't there''' and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}
::::(emphasis added)
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}

::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we'll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that.}}

::::'''Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.'''
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned "I agree!" that you failed to mention.

::::::While we're on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we're doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn't until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)

::::Unsurprisingly, that is a '''lie'''. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a "good consensus" for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what's being discussed, it's a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. '''Either 10 people ''can'' form a "good consensus" on LGPedia, or not.''' Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was ''entirely'' about the character row. So even ''if'' these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the ''same thing''.

::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a "good consensus", and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, ''even less visible than before'', for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it's all good.
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It's happening. Right here. Right now.

::::This discussion '''proves''' that I acted exactly as the administration did ''and does to this very day''.
::::'''Renounce''' the ''still'' unproven allegations against me. '''Admit''' that the ban against me was unnecessary. '''Clear my name.'''
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)
::::@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, "only" one is a sign that I had ''more'' support.

:::::It's not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don't have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.

:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users' actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)

:So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what's been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I'm ''sure'' you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)

User:Nancypants

2008-07-26T01:33:12Z

Nancypants: I'm sure their going to spin it later where she's the hero, but for now I'm loving this.

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Talk:We're Screwed!

2008-07-26T01:30:15Z

Nancypants: New page: OH! I SO called this! HAH!- ~~~~

OH! I SO [[Talk:Free Love|called this]]! HAH!- [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (CDT)

Handcuffed

2008-07-17T03:19:41Z

Nancypants: lame but I had to do it

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==Transcript==
'''Jonas:''' (''voice over'') I wasn't sure about posting this, but it's- (''The shot fades to a distant doorway'') well, it's just too important. And as they say on TV, viewer discretion is advised.

(''Jonas is heard grunting and he soon comes through the doorway dragging Lucy by her hands''.)

'''Jonas:''' Okay. We're almost there. What? We're almost there.

(''Lucy's handcuffed hands fall in front of the camera. Water can be heard running in the background. Jonas drags Lucy out of view and the shot cuts to Jonas turning off the bath faucet. Jonas throws Lucy into the tub''.)

'''Jonas:''' Hmm? (''Slaps Lucy's face'') You awake? Huh, (''aggressive'') you awake now?

(''Jonas walks away for a second, leaving Lucy in the tub with her mouth taped, but comes back shortly to slap her in the face. He then picks her up and handcuffs her hands to the shower rod. He pushes her head back and steps back, leaving Lucy hanging uncomfortably''.)

'''Jonas:''' You're a [[helper]], huh? (''Walks over to Lucy'') If I were you, I'd needa help you!

(''Jonas punches Lucy in the gut and elbows her in the face. He then gives her body a push and walks away. Cut to a close up of Lucy's face, which Jonas is squeezing in his hand. He pushes her bangs out of her face''.)

'''Jonas:''' I needa see your face. (''Grabs face'') C'mere! Why have you been following me for all these years? Huh? Without killing me? It's cause of the [[Blood Will Flow|microchip]]? [[Rooftop Brawl|The key]]? Hmm?

(''Jonas punches Lucy in the face and then lifts her head up by her bangs. Lucy begins spitting blood and is breathing heavily''.)

'''Jonas:''' Listen... listen to me. Huh? Want more? (''Lucy spits blood at Jonas'') Aww!! (''Punches Lucy again and grabs her by her bangs'') Look at me! (''Cut to Lucy looking emotionless hanging from the rod'') Why is the key so important? The microchip? Huh? Why do you guys want it so bad? What's on it? What's on it, Lucy? Oh! (''Laughing'') Oh ho ho ho ho! Wait a minute! I get it. You don't know! (''Gets close to Lucy's face'') You don't know, do you? (''Lucy slaps Jonas in the face with her arm'') Whoa! (''Jonas is heard sniffing as if his nose is bleeding'') That was not good. That was not good. (''Rubs Lucy's face and then grabs it'') Hm? Look at that face. Let me see that face! Huh? (''Punches her in the face'')

(''Cut to Lucy, bloodied, sitting in the tub with her head against the faucet. Jonas steps into the tub and hovers over her. Jonas sighs''.)

'''Lucy:''' Jonas.

'''Jonas:''' What? What was that?

'''Lucy:''' Jonas.

'''Jonas:''' Do you wanna say something? What?

'''Lucy:''' (''Swallows'') Goodbye. (''Starts coughing'')

'''Jonas:''' (''Gets out of the tub'') Oh shit! (''Lucy spits blood'') No! No! No! No! No! You stupid bitch, no! (''Grabs Lucy's face'') You don't- hey! You don't get to die! You don't get to die! It's not that easy! (''Lucy goes limp'') No! You don't get to die! You don't get to die, it's not that easy! Fuck!

(''Cut to Jonas sitting at the table''.)

'''Jonas:''' She's dead. She's dead! I- she must have had something hidden in her mouth. Like, I dunno, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanide cyanide] maybe? I don't know. (''Exhales'') Fuck. At least today wasn't a total loss. We did hear from Taylor and she was able to pull some stuff off the microchip. It was, uh, an address and some blueprints to a museum so we're gonna go there tomorrow. And there was also... there was also some kind of code on there. Um, she wasn't able to make sense of it though. It was... binary code or some- something. (''A noise is heard in the background'') Maybe you guys can help... with that. Phew. I better... get back in there. I'm on clean up duty.

(''Jonas walks to the bathroom and opens the door. The handcuffs are open on both the shower rod and on the tub and Lucy is gone''.)

'''Jonas:''' Fuck! (''Runs out of the room'')

==Notes==
* This video marks the second time [[Lucy]] speaks.
* The code turned out to be a cryptogram for a poem. The poem is something along the lines of '''''"sixteen times a new age loses lite til we steal it for eternal nite stars will fall in his time as we Elders see greatest find."''''' The forum discussion including the solution can be found [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=18068 here]. A second discussion can be found [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=101&t=18067 here].

Portal:lonelygirl15/News

2008-07-17T03:18:07Z

Nancypants: I think that said too much, I already knew she wasn't dead before I read it.

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'''Recent videos'''
*[[Blood Will Flow]]
*[[Reclaim My Identity?]]
*[[Cooling Off]]
*[[Eclipse of the Heart]]
*[[No Way To Live]]

'''[[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|List of all videos...]]'''
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Talk:Handcuffed

2008-07-17T01:35:35Z

Nancypants:

Second time Lucy speaks? Could whomever posted that name the first video and include a hyperlink?--[[User:65.96.65.211|65.96.65.211]] 19:35, 16 July 2008 (CDT)

:Well I didn't post that note but the first video she spoke in was [[Prom: It's To Die For - Part 4]] I think she says something like "it's not safe here". Not sure what she says but that's where she says it. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:35, 16 July 2008 (CDT)

Talk:Going Down

2008-07-03T19:34:30Z

Nancypants: New page: Not that I'm complaining but Jonas is oh so Captain Kirk with the constant removing of his shirt. LoL ~~~~

Not that I'm complaining but Jonas is oh so Captain Kirk with the constant removing of his shirt. LoL [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:34, 3 July 2008 (CDT)

List of lonelygirl15 videos/Season 3

2008-07-02T00:48:31Z

Nancypants:

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===Bloodlines Aftermath===
<li>[[She Lost A Lot Of Blood]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Up All Night]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[4 Girls, 2 Guys]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Playing With Wood]] {{init|Sarah}}
<li>[[A Woman's World]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[I Love You All]] {{init|Emma}}

===Things Heat Up===
<li>[[Things Fall Apart]] {{init|Sarah}}
<li>[[I Lost It]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Cat Fight!]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[I've Never Done This Before]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[Hot Tubbing]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Hangover Hell]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Babe in the Woods]] {{init|Daniel}}

===Shadowed===
<li>[[Born to Run]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Drawing in Bed]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[Coming For You]] {{init|Shadow}}
<li>[[Spicing Things Up]] {{init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Looking for Gina]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Out of Control]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[She's Ready]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Prey]] {{init|Sarah}}
<li>[[What Have I Done?]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[In the Bedroom]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[At the Beach]] {{init|Daniel}}

===Carl and Sacred Spirit===
<li>[[Tangled Web]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Spanish Princess]] {{init|Sarah}}
<li value="437">[[Coffee and Donuts]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Mexican Mating Machine]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[It's The Doing That Matters]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Hostage Crisis]] {{init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Stock Options]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Through My Eyes]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[Bree's Mom]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Girl, Returned]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Kick His A$S!!]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Recovered Memory]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[All I Ever Wanted]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[The Devil Speaks]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[I'm On Fire]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Fries And A Shakedown]] {{init|Sarah}}

===The Hunt for Bree's Elder===
<li>[[A Stranger Calls]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Varsity Blues]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Hook Up At the Park]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Morning Glory]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[I Miss Her]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Cruisin' With The Ladies]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Bathroom Talk]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Shop of Horrors!!!]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Final Appeal]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Adios Amigos]] {{init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Mmm Beer!]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Beach Party]] {{init|Jennie}}

===Jonas in London===
<li>[[Escape to London]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[LA To LDN]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Hunting The Elder]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[Raise The Roof]] {{init|Lauren}}
<li>[[What Is She Saying?]] {{init|Lauren}}
<li>[[Outta Here]] {{init|Jonas}}

===Vote Salinas===
<li>[[Crazy Border Crossing!!]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Hot Tacos]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Computer Penetration]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Politics Gone Wild!]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Alone in the Woods]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[We Will Fight]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Corn Nuts]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Casting Couch]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[Satan's HQ]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Q & A With Jennie]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Sneak Attack!]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Backseat Shocker]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Booby Trap?]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[Stiff]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Operation Emma]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[Girl Grown Up]] {{init|Emma}}
<li>[[Backyard Bikini Patrol]] {{init|Sarah}}

===Things Get Serious===
<li>[[Tick Tick Boom]] {{init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Doing It Myself]] {{init|Emma}}
<li>[[Goodbye... For Now]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Sticks & Stones]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[Cabin Fever]] {{init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Dressing Room Hi-Jinks]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Partner Swap]] {{init|Emma}}

===Prom: It's to Die For===
<li>[[Prom: It's To Die For - Part 1]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Prom: It's To Die For - Part 2]] {{init|Emma}}
<li>[[Prom: It's To Die For - Part 3]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Prom: It's To Die For - Part 4]] {{init|Emma}}

===Justice For Gina===
<li>[[No More Fear]] {{init|Emma}}
<li>[[A Woman Scorned]] {{init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Undercover Lovers]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Evergreen Saves the Day]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Hangman's Noose]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Boy Tied Up]] {{init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Getting Wet]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Bullet to the Head]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Cold War Revisited]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Secrets in the Closet]] {{init|Emma}}
<li>[[Nasty Bite]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Words of Wisdom]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Playing With Fire]] {{init|Sarah}}

===Life After Death?===
<li>[[I Have A Confession]] {{init|Emma}}
<li>[[Breaking Up?]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Born Free]] {{init|Jonas}}
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*[[#Bloodlines Aftermath|Bloodlines Aftermath]]
*[[#Things Heat Up|Things Heat Up]]
*[[#Shadowed|Shadowed]]
*[[#Carl and Sacred Spirit|Carl and Sacred Spirit]]
*[[#The Hunt for Bree's Elder|The Hunt for Bree's Elder]]
*[[#Jonas In London|Jonas In London]]
*[[#Vote Salinas|Vote Salinas]]
*[[#Things Get Serious|Things Get Serious]]
*[[#Prom: It's to Die For|Prom: It's to Die For]]
*[[#Justice for Gina|Justice for Gina]]
*[[#Life After Death?|Life After Death]]


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Breeniverse Timeline

2008-06-30T21:12:50Z

Nancypants: /* June */ fixing a little bit

==Before YouTube==

:'''May 25th, 1799 ''' - Napoleon's troops, along with artist Vivant Denon reach [[Denderah]]. Denon makes sketches of the Zodiac.

:'''October 12th, 1875''' - [[Aleister Crowley]] is born.

:'''1917 or 1918''' - According to the video [[What Happened?]] the rogue Elder's organs are "almost 90 years old". This places his birth (or at least his organs) around this year.

:'''1943''' - According to Daniel in his video [[Aleister Crowley (Video)|Aleister Crowley]] a girl is [[1943 abduction|kidnapped]] in Arizona, and Crowley may have been involved.

:'''1980s''' - Bree's mother meets Gemma's mother in Edinburgh at university. Bree's parents meet at a showing of [[Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead]].

:'''1987''' - [[Gemma]], [[Jonas]] and [[Gina]] are born.

:'''1988''' - [[Daniel]] is born.

:'''April 5th, 1989''' - [[Sarah]] is born.

:'''October 26th, 1989''' - [[Bree]] is born in Russian Siberia, near Lake Baikal.

:'''1989''' - [[Gina]] and [[Bree]] were purchased by [[Verdus Pharmaceuticals|Verdus]] and taken to America.

:'''1992''' - [[Emma]] is born.

:'''1994''' - Bree begins treatment for her lazy eye.

:'''1996''' - According to Gemma, a family disappears after their daughter participates in the same ceremony in which Bree is eventually chosen to play part. (Many have speculated this is [[Tachyon]]'s family)

:'''1998''' - Bree's family moves to [[New Zealand]], where she briefly goes to a public school for the first time.

:'''2000''' - Bree's family visits the Northern Territory of Australia. [[Jonas's parents]] are lost at sea in the Pacific Ocean and assumed dead.

:'''2002''' - Bree's family moves to Nottinghamshire, England, where Bree meets Gemma and befriends her dog.

:'''2004''' - Bree's family moves back to America, where she meets Daniel and Cassie during a brief stint in public school. Her classmates make fun of her and call her "[[Stargirl]]". In the same year, Daniel's grandmother passes away.

==2006==
===May===
:'''May 12th''' - Bree registers the [[YouTube]] account lonelygirl15 and begins commenting on the videos of many popular YouTubers.

:'''May 24th''' - Bree posts her first video [[Paytotheorderofofof vs. Dinosaur]].

===June===
:'''Mid-June''' - Daniel graduates from high school; Bree is not allowed to attend his graduation party.

:'''June 16th''' - Bree posts the video [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]] which, as noted in the title, is her first blog. Two days later, she posts the video [[Purple Monkey (video)|Purple Monkey]], which introduces her beloved puppet.

:'''June 23rd''' - Although previously mentioned in videos and comments, Daniel makes his first on-camera appearance in the video [[The Danielbeast]].

===July===

:'''July 4th''' - In the video, [[My Parents Suck...]] Bree reveals that Daniel came to her house to take her on a hiking trip, but her parents refuse to let her go. The next day Daniel creates a YouTube account and responds with the video [[Daniel Responds]].

:'''July 9th''' - Bree posts the first video of the [[Proving Science Wrong (series)|PSW Series]] — [[Proving Science Wrong!]]

:'''July 12th''' - Bree and Daniel finally go hiking together. Bree posts the video [[My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!]] the next day. Romantic tensions on the trip lead to the video [[Boy Problems...]]

:'''July 29th''' - [[Drew Avery|Bree's dad]] nearly catches her making the blog entry [[The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad "talks" to Daniel)]]. He takes Daniel aside for a personal talk in which he asks Daniel to film a play at Bree's summer camp. Daniel refuses.

===August===
:'''August 6th''' - Bree finally confronts Daniel about his conversation with her dad in the video [[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]]. Daniel makes Bree upset by trying to light some candles in her room. The picture of [[Aleister Crowley]] is first seen in this video, as is [[Thor]]. This leads to a fight on August 15th between Bree and Daniel in the video [[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]]

:'''August 24th''' - Bree has the play. Daniel films a short video [[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)]] announcing that he's going to make amends with Bree and go to her play. After the play, Bree and Daniel go on what could be considered a date.

:'''August 28th''' - Daniel takes Bree swimming in the San Gabriel River. The next day Bree posts the video [[Swimming!]], in which she first mentions [[Cassie]].

:'''August 31st''' - Bree and Daniel make cookies. [[P. Monkey]] signals that something momentous will happen on October 12, 2006.

===September===
:'''September 3rd''' - Bree's parents tell her [[A Change In My Life |she's been chosen to participate]] in a [[The Ceremony (ritual)|ceremony]].

:'''September 9th''' - Bree [[I'm Going to the Party!|sneaks out with Daniel]] for the first time. They go to a party where they meet with [[Andrea]] and [[Paul]], who invite them to go out again with them. Later, she is caught by her Dad who grounds her and bans Daniel from the house. A Few days later Bree sneaks out to meet with Daniel at a park so they can go bowling with Andrea and Paul. Daniel finds out that Bree is taking iron pills.

:'''September 16th''' - Bree sneaks out to a party with Daniel. [[My First Kiss| They kiss for the first time]].

:'''September 20th''' - Bree sneaks out to meet Daniel, and [[Learning To Drive|learns how to drive]]. They get in a fight over Bree's religion, in which Bree mentions the [[Denderah|Order of Denderah]] for the first time.

:''' September 23rd ''' - Bree attends the Equinox celebration with her parents, and is introduced to [[Lucy]]. The next day Bree sneaks out to see Daniel, and they have a fight. Bree confesses to her parents that she's been sneaking out. Bree and Daniel are [[My Difficult Decision|no longer speaking to each other]].

:'''September 27th ''' - Lucy is [[Who Is This?|seen]] by Daniel for the first time, as she and Bree go to a park to practice for the ceremony; Bree [[My Helper|asks Daniel not to follow her anymore]].

===October===
:'''October 1st ''' - Bree goes to possibly see a doctor with Lucy, and is followed by Daniel.

:'''October 6th''' - Daniel begins to research Bree's religion and posts the video [[Order Of Denderah]].

:'''October 12th''' - Bree participates in the [[The Ceremony (ritual)|ceremony]]. While Daniel spies on the ceremony, someone takes pictures of him, which he later discovers on Lucy's computer.

:'''October 15th''' - Daniel follows Lucy to her home and breaks in to discover the pictures of him spying on [[The Ceremony (ritual)|Bree's ritual]]. Two days later Bree hints that Daniel may be in danger for making [[The Ceremony]] and [[Following The Helper]].

:'''October 19th''' - Gemma posts [[Nut Kills Man|her first video]]. Sometime during this weekend, Daniel calls Bree on the phone for the first time in nearly a month. Bree also reveals that [[I Lied To Daniel|the ceremony on the 12th was fake]].

:'''October 24th''' - Bree goes to Daniel's friend's house to talk to him, and [[I Listened To Daniel|reconsiders doing the Ceremony]]

===November===
:'''November 1st''' - Bree's parents tell her that the [[What Makes Us Sad?|deacons refuse to let her get out of performing the ceremony]].

:'''November 4th''' - Bree's parents are apparently kidnapped by Lucy and a [[Deacon]].

:'''November 7th''' - Bree and Daniel [[On The Run|go into hiding]] for several days since witnessing Bree's parents being taken away.

:'''November 15th''' - Gemma warns Bree and Daniel [[Someone's Following You|to be on the lookout]], revealing the presence of the [[A Watcher|watchers]]. Jonas [[My Name Is Jonas| posts his first video]].

:'''November 23rd''' - Bree goes out to the movies and posts the video [[Date With P. Monkey]]. The next day Bree decides to have a picnic-style [[Thanksgiving]] dinner with Daniel on a hiking trail. The idea is proposed that Bree and Daniel go to stay at Jonas's house.

===December===
:'''December 1st''' - In response to advice from Tachyon, Daniel decides to ditch his car. Bree and Daniel are living on the [[Homeless|streets]] and in a [[Warwalking|warehouse]]. They argue about whether they can trust Jonas and whether they should return home.

:'''December 9th''' - Daniel and Bree wait inside a parking garage for Jonas to show up. When he does, Daniel changes his mind and tells Bree that he's going home. Bree [[Your Decision|leaves Daniel for Jonas]] a couple days later, Daniel posts [[Back Home|a video]], telling about his return to his parents and giving an apology to Bree.

:'''December 11th''' - Over the next few days, Tachyon posts videos, which shows footage of Gemma [[Gemma? (Part I)|walking down a sunny street]] that is clearly not in London, [[Gemma? (Part II)|Gemma and Lucy getting in to a car together]], and [[Gemma? (Part III)| talking on a phone to an unknown person about OpAphid]].

:'''December 15th''' - Over the next week, Daniel searches Bree's house, [[Back At Bree's|finding a suspicious box]], [[Undisclosed Location|discovers a hidden camera in his room]] and flees. He then [[Breaking And Entering|sneaks into the warehouse]] from which the box was sent, and finds a large supply of [[Bree's injections|EPOGEN]]. Meanwhile, Bree [[Bree Phone Home|attempts to contact relatives]].

:'''December 25th''' - Daniel arrives at Jonas's house [[Christmas Surprise|before dawn on Christmas]]. Jonas films Bree and Daniel's reunion, but wakes up the next morning to find [[Bree's Gone|Bree missing]], along with his car and one of his credit cards.

:'''December 28th''' - Daniel and Jonas [[Mystery Movies|uncover the code]] that Bree used to communicate with her father, and [[Roadtrip|set out to catch up with her]] at her meeting location.

:'''December 31st''' - Jonas and Daniel find Bree with her father, and rescue her from the Order. However, during the rescue, [[The Unthinkable Happened|Bree's dad is shot]] and [[Bree's Dad Is Dead|presumed dead]]. Other deaths this day include [[Brother]] killing [[Gemma]] & Dr. [[Isaac Gilman]] dying in a mysterious car crash off the I-5.'

==2007==
===January===
:'''January 15th''' - Daniel implies that [[Bree And I Hooked Up|he and Bree slept together]], which [[Daniel's A Liar|Bree vehemently denies]].

:'''January 26th''' - After [[For The Ladies|going out to the bowling alley]], [[Daniel's Missing!|Daniel is abducted]].

:'''January 29th''' - Bree sets out with Jonas [[Looking For Daniel|to track down Daniel]]. This results in a road trip, and they end up having to [[Sleepover|stay in a motel that night]]. Jonas repeatedly assures the viewers (Daniel in particular, wherever he is) that his sharing a motel bed with Bree is strictly platonic.

===February===
:'''February 4th''' - While Brainwashed, Daniel posts an [[Miss Me?|OpAphid style video]], reassuring Bree that the Order is good, and she should go through with the ceremony. The next day Bree offers to [[Me For Daniel| surrender herself to the Order]], to perform the ceremony, if Daniel is released.

:'''February 10th''' - With the Help of [[Tachyon]] and [[Brother]], Bree and Jonas [[The Human Ransom|rescue Daniel]], Tachyon [[Rescuing Daniel|shares a lot of information]] with Bree.

:'''February 16th''' - Jonas confronts [[Watch This!|a watcher]] and discovers his house is no longer safe from The Order, so they [[Yellow Snow|go into Hiding]] at [[Jonas's cabin]] in the woods.

:'''February 26th''' - Bree [[How Dumb Am I?|finds a Watcher symbol ]], in Jonas's cabin and thinks Jonas is part of a plan by The Order. She [[Bree Is Crazy| ties up Jonas]], refusing to let him go until he explains the symbol to her.

===March===

:'''March 1st''' - After [[What The Hell?!??!|escaping]], Jonas posts the video Jonas [[Proving Bree Wrong|finds boxes of Information]] proving that Jonas parent's were not part of the Order, but rather [[Sorry Jonas|fighting against it]].

:'''March 7th''' - Bree, Jonas and Daniel, go to the house of Jonas's aunt [[Alex]], looking for [[My Hand Hurts|more information]].

:'''March 11th''' - Alex is [[Aunt Alex|picked up from the airport]] by Daniel and Jonas. Bree decides to hang out with Tachyon instead and get some [[Training Hard|training]].

:'''March 14th''' - Daniel, Alex, and Jonas [[Uncle Dan|go to a party]] where [[Lucy!?!?!|a photo of Lucy]] is spotted.

:'''March 17th''' - Jonas [[Alex Is...|confronts Alex]], who admits to being part of the Order, and claims Jonas's parents are still alive.

:'''March 20th''' - Daniel and Jonas [[Truckstop Reunion|meet up with Bree again]] and [[Vegas, Baby!|head for Las Vegas]]. They are then tracked down there, but manage to escape.

:'''March 26th''' - The Order [[Subjects Apprehended|capture]] Bree, Daniel and Jonas and subject them to [[Psychological Torture]]. Bree agrees to do the ceremony.

:'''March 31st''' - They [[Communication Terminated| manage to escape from where the Order were keeping them]] but Bree is spotted by the cameraman, who is suddenly shot. None of the three can [[Missing Days|remember what happened]].

===April===

:'''April 3rd''' - Bree gives background information about [[Losing My Religion|her mother and her religion]], which she finally gives a name -- the [[Hymn of One|Hymn Of One]].

:'''April 4th''' - The three [[Lying Bastards|follow Alex to Mexico]], and Bree and Daniel [[Confrontation|confront]] Alex. Bree mentions that people have been saying that someone drugged them, but Alex denies that this was The Order's doing. Jonas later [[Hug It Out|makes up with Alex]].

:'''April 9th''' - [[Jules]] posts her [[Call Me Jules|first video]] on YouTube.

:'''April 12th''' - [[Nikki Bower]] [[Following the Drugs - NBR Investigates|reports]] that Tachyon, Brother, and OpAphid are confirmed to be missing and haven't been seen since.

:'''April 13th''' - Alex [[The Perfect Beach|takes the three to her favorite beach]], but when Lucy is suddenly there, Jonas assumes that Alex has set them up. He grabs a gun from the front seat and threatens them with it. Alex claims that they are there for her, that they have a "new girl" for the ceremony, and that Bree is no longer needed.

:'''April 14th''' - [[Taylor]] posts her [[First Video (I know, lame title)|first video]] on Revver.

:'''April 16th''' - The three decide to stay in [[The bunker|a bunker]] that has been used by [[The Resistance]]. Jonas found out about it while looking through his parent's files, and they discover more clues there. Bree learns that Jules could be the [[New Girl]] that Alex was talking about, by watching [[The Ceremony Girl?! - NBR Investigates|Nikki Bower's video]].

:'''April 26th''' - Bree [[A Solid Lead|learns]] that Taylor thinks she [[I Recognize Her!|knows who Julia is]], and [[OUT OF THE BUNKER!!!|decides to go to Texas]]. There, they meet Taylor, as well as [[Crazy Emo Chick|her sister]].

===May===

:'''May 4th''' - [[We Found Julia!!!|Jules is tracked down]], Bree attempts to talk to her about how she shouldn't do the ceremony but Jules runs off. Bree and Daniel kidnap Jules.

:'''May 9th''' - Jules escapes. They eventually find her, but Lucy and the watchers show up. Bree goes to talk to them and [[What the F*@k???|ends up going with them]], leaving Daniel and Jonas perplexed.

:'''May 18th''' - Taylor discovers that Jules (unlike Bree) is not adopted. Daniel [[Let's Play Doctor|steals Jules's medical records]], which contain a page with the EPOGEN symbol on it and the note "Trait Negative."

:'''May 25th''' - A brainwashed Bree makes a [[Sing With Me|video advertising the hymn of one]], but containing a hidden message.

:'''May 26th''' - Sarah meets up with the boys in California. The three of them [[CAMP PLAY|find a box]] containing significant [[Opening the Box|information about Bree]].

===June===

:'''June 1st''' - Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah [[It's A Cult|infiltrate a Hymn of One recruitment seminar]], and [[Getting Her Back|get Bree back]], against her will.

:'''June 5th''' - In a rented cabin, Bree's friends try to [[Bedside Manner|deprogram her]].

:'''June 8th''' - In the morning after [[HOLY SH%T!!!|their first kiss]], Jonas discovers that [[The Morning After|Bree has run away]].

:'''June 15th''' - Bree, apparently still brainwashed, uploads [[Going Home|a video from her phone]], stating that she is lost asking the Hymn of One to come find her. They pick her up shortly afterwards.

:'''June 18th''' - Taylor [[A New Lead|cracks a barcode]] from Bree's dad's box, tracing it to the Wyman Foundation in San Diego, CA.

:'''June 19th''' - Daniel finds the name [[Isaac Gilman|Dr. Isaac Gilman]] in the box, but when they [[The Mad Scientist|go to the Wyman Foundation]] to find him, they are told he doesn't work there.

:'''June 20th''' - After more research, the gang [[Sweating Bullets|infiltrates Issac Gilman's health club]], where they meet [[The Mistress (character)|a woman]] who claims to be able to help them.

:'''June 22nd''' - They [[The Mistress|privately meet with the woman]], who reveals herself to be Issac Gilman's former mistress. They also learn that Gilman died on 12/31/06 (the same day as Bree's dad).

:'''June 25th''' - Jonas [[In (Search of) sanity...|heads back to Zavalla]], where he and Taylor eventually contact Issac Gilman's son, [[Spencer]].

:'''June 29th''' - Spencer [[What Up Blogosphere!|posts a video response]], stating that he knows nothing of his father's work and that he wishes to be left alone.
[[Category:Breeniverse events]]

===July===

:'''July 6th''' - Daniel and Sarah [[All Wet|find Isaac Gilman's research files]], at [[Look Back| Jonas's parent's yacht club]], while Jonas and Taylor [[Going Back to Cali|return to California]].

:'''July 11th''' - Spencer and Taylor, with the help of the forum members, [[The Bree Solution|decipher the damaged documents]], and [[Deep Throat|discover the key]] to making Bree 'trait negative'.

:'''July 12th''' - It is revealed by [[Deep Throat|the informant]] nicknamed "Deep Throat" by [[Daniel]] that the Ceremony will be within a month and that Bree is currently in a lockup.

===August===
:'''August 3rd''' - Bree [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 10 of 12 – 5 pm|sacrifices her life]] for Jonas, Daniel, Taylor, Sarah, and Spencer.

:'''August 5th-10th''' - [[My Parents Suck Too|Daniel]], [[Speak to Me!|Jonas]], [[The Unsolvable Formula|Spencer]], [[Sluttiness Prevails|Taylor and Sarah]] all return to their respective homes. A mysterious new blogger named [[Claire|LaRezisto]] [[We Reach Out|posts a video]] with the message "Fight the Order - Join the Resistance."

:'''August 18th''' - LaRezisto [[Remember Them?|posts a video]] that shows [[Jonas's parents]], alive and well. He claims that they have no memory of Jonas.

:'''August 22nd''' - Daniel [[The Email|opens a e-mail from Bree]], and a "man in black" appears immediately outside his house. Daniel sends a copy to LaRezisto, then quickly deletes it.

:'''August 24th''' - Jonas [[A Family Affair|goes to meet his parents]], and is introduced to his younger sister [[Emma]]. Later in the day, [[Carl]] and [[Sonia]] show up at his parents' house, and it is revealed that his parents belong to the Hymn of One.

:'''August 30th''' - Daniel [[Hot Date|goes on a date]] with his new girlfriend, [[Mallory]]. Taylor discovers that the new '[[trait positive|Trait Positive]]' girl that the Order wants is Emma.

:'''August 31st''' - Agents of the Order [[Home Invasion|invade Jonas's parents' home]] and try to take Emma. Both of Jonas's parents are shot (but not killed) in the struggle. Daniel comes to help, and he and Jonas take Emma to a safehaven in [[Arizona]].

===September===

:'''September 4th''' - Jonas, now staying in a motel near the [[Grand Canyon]], asks Sarah to bring the vial of serum that Spencer made, to make Emma 'trait negative.'

:'''September 6th''' - Taylor [[Gross Guy|tells Jonas]] that Sarah has lost the serum. Jonas [[Stupid B!tch!|is infuriated]], and demands that she find it.

:'''September 7th''' - Sarah [[Revealing My Secret|reveals]] that she, in fact, has the serum, but she "wanted a normal life." She then goes to Arizona.

:'''September 8th''' - The Order comes and [[Shadow of Death|tries again to forcibly take Emma]]. Emma, in desperation, throws herself at a [[Shadow]], and he hits the ground dead. The gang then runs and escapes the Order's grasp.

:'''September 13th''' - LaRezisto [[Help Us!|claims that 'trait positive' girls have special powers]], and that Emma has the power to stop the Order once and for all.

:'''September 14th''' - Jonas, convinced of her power, [[Decision Time|asks Emma to stay]] and help fight the Order. Emma reveals that she has already started taking the serum, to become 'trait negative' and live a normal life.

:'''September 16th''' - Emma [[Last Train To...|gets on a train]] to go back home.

:'''September 17th''' - Jonas sees Carl and Sonia handing out HoO fliers and [[Spreading the Song|discussing the Ceremony]].

:'''September 18th''' - Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah [[Living with Girls|move]] into [[The rented house|a rented house together]].

:'''September 20th''' - Jonas and Sarah go on a [[Stakeout... With A Girl|Stakeout]] to spy on Carl and Sonia and a [[Watcher]] speaks for the first time in the series. On the same day in a [[I Like Being Me|different blog]] Emma announces she does not want to fight the order and will be taking her last injection.

:'''September 21st''' - Daniel and Jonas go to the Griffith Observatory where they see Sonia and Carl [[Robbing the Cradle|bring]] a [[Trait positive]] baby to her adoptive parents.

:'''September 23rd''' - LaRezisto posts a [[Join Me!|video]] in which a trait positive woman named [[Claire]] urges Emma to join her in fighting the Order.

:'''September 24th''' - Daniel and Sarah tell us that Jonas [[How Could You? (season 2)|has taken]] Emma to Claire without their consent.

:'''September 26th''' - Daniel begins making a [[Student Film]] for class, and on the same day [[Finding Help|Jonas and Emma find Claire]].

:'''September 27th''' - Sarah announces that she is [[No More Lies|turning over a new leaf]] and tells Mallory about Daniel's involvement in the Resistance, to which Mallory replies that she [[Secrets Revealed|already knows]].

:'''September 28th''' - Jonas lets Claire take Emma deeper into the woods without him. [[Virgil|A watcher]] appears and [[Watch Your Back|tells Jonas]] that Claire is a "LaRezisto Shadow."

===October===

:'''October 1st''' - Daniel shows us his [[My School Project|finished student film]].

:'''October 2nd''' - The Watcher and Jonas look for Emma and Claire. The Watcher [[My Fatal Mistake|reveals]] that there is a rouge Elder trying to obtain Eternal Life by going against the Order, he also tells us that this is the Elder who kidnapped BDJ in Vegas. On the same day, Daniel tells us that Jonas has returned but [[He's Not Talking]] about what happened.

:'''October 3rd''' - Sarah [[That Arrogant Jerk!|vents]] to us about Jonas's mistakes and Mallory [[Please Help|asks us to help]] edit Daniels student film.

:'''October 4th''' - Daniel and Jonas [[Home Sweet Home?|go back]] to Jonas's old house to look for more information. When there, they find that the house has been gone through and there are things missing from the box they found in the cabin.

:'''October 5th''' - Sarah and Mallory tell us that Daniel and Jonas found out Emma is hidden somewhere in L.A. and then they [[Carving Pumpkins|carve pumpkins]]. On the same day, Daniel and Jonas return home and Sonia [[Tailgating|follows]] soon after.

:'''October 8th''' - Sonia tells us more information and denounces her faith in the HoO. She offers to help TAAG fight the order with the information she has.

:'''October 10th''' - Claire and Emma make a video in which Emma seems to be coerced by Claire to tell everyone she's OK. Claire warns TAAG not to try finding Emma.

:'''October 11th''' - Jonas obsesses over finding a code in Emma's [[Emma's Safe|last video]], Daniel and Sarah help Sonia track down the Ceremony [[Robbing the Cradle|baby]], and LaRezisto/Claire make a new video once again attempting to force Emma into saying she's fine.

:'''October 13th''' - Daniel and Jonas help Sonia [[They'll Do Anything|kidnap]] the ceremony baby.

:'''October 15th''' - Sarah is [[Battle of the Sexes|outraged]] she was not included in recovering the baby, and attempts to show her independence by building a birdhouse. The boys later [[Nice Try|make fun]] of Sarah's attempts.

:'''October 16th''' - Sonia is shown having been [[They Beat Her!!!|beaten]] by a HoO member because she would not reveal where the baby was.

:'''October 17th''' - [[Chris]] posts a [[They Belong With Us|video]] denying that there is an [[the Order|Order]] and warning TAAG to quit trying to save the trait positive girls. That same day, Sarah and a reluctant Mallory go find Chris at a bar, and Mallory [[A Woman's Touch|flirts]] with Chris to secretly get information.

:'''October 19th''' - TAAG finds out that there has been a new partnership created between [[Verdus Pharmaceuticals]], the [[Wyman Foundation]], and the [[Hymn of One]].

:'''October 20th''' - Emma and Claire make another [[Storytelling|video]] in which Emma tells us a story.

:'''October 24th''' - Emma and Claire make a [[Goodbye For Now|video]] with Emma telling TAAG goodbye, and confirming she will be performing [[the Ceremony (ritual)|the Ceremony.]] On the same day a season two [[Lonelygirl15 Season Two... So Far|recap]] was posted.

:'''October 25th''' - Jonas and Daniel [[Is This The End?|discover]] the code Emma has been sending, and go to stop the Ceremony, the video ends with Jonas telling us they may not make it out alive.

:'''October 26th''' - TAAG manages to find Emma, the rouge elder is shot by Claire who in turn is shot by the Watcher, and Emma's father tells her that Jonas will no longer be bothering her.

:'''October 29th''' - Jonas [[Cat Hunt|announces]] ([[A New Hope!!!|again)]] he will no longer be running from the Order, but fighting them.

:'''October 30th''' - Emma posts a [[Around the World|video]] where she tells us that she is in hiding with her parents.

:'''October 31st''' - Daniel [[School's Out|tries]] to get back into film school, but his teacher denies him. On the [[School's In|same day]], Mallory takes the professor out to coffee and convinces him to take Daniel back.

===November===
:'''November 1st''' - Sarah tours L.A. and questions why she is still there.

:'''November 2nd''' - Jonas attempts to find a connection between [[Verdus Pharmaceuticals]], The [[Wyman Foundation]] and the [[Hymn of One]], concluding that they are each fronts for [[the Order]].

:'''November 5th''' - Jonas and Sarah attempt to investigate the [[Lullaby Project]] by going to the [[The Lullaby Project Center|building]] where it is ran, with little success.

:'''November 7th''' - Emma gives us an [[Sick Dreams|update]] where she tells us that she is OK, but has been under the weather and having strange dreams.

:'''November 8th''' - Daniel and Mallory [[Gay or Not?|speculate]] about their [[Professor DelMundo|professor's]] sexual orientation.

:'''November 9th''' - Daniel gives a [[The Beast's Turn - "MMYB"|shoutout]] to [[Greg Gallows]] and challenges him to color and braid his hair and then do a [[Grillz feat. Danielbeast, LG15, P. Monkey, and O'n.|Grillz video]]. On the same day, Daniel believes that Sarah and Jonas were [[abducted?!|abducted]]

:'''November 12th''' - Daniel, still concerned for Sarah and Jonas, contacts Taylor for the first time 2 months, but no one has heard anything.

:'''November 13th''' - Sarah and Jonas post a [[Groping in the Dark|video]] telling Daniel to come find them, as they have been locked in the back of a Semi for nearly four days

:'''November 14th''' - Sarah and Jonas are [[Rescued?!|rescued]] from the back of the truck, not by Daniel, but by [[Chris]], [[Carl]], and [[Claudia]].

:'''November 15th''' - [[Sarah]] posts about [[Lullaby Project|The Lullaby Project's]] encampment. She breifly details the surroundings and how the camp works.

:'''November 16th''' - Jonas and Sarah get into an argument and Jonas [[DANGEROUS DESERT|leaves]] Sarah alone in the desert, only to come back for her, but finding that she has disappeared.

:'''November 19th''' - Finding out Sarah is on her way home, Jonas posts a [[Would you pick me up?|video]] from a hotel room where he has received a mysterious package containing a VHS. On the same day, he posts the [[Who's that girl?|recording]] which shows a young girl in a doctor's office.

:'''November 20th''' - Daniel takes a [[Drunk By Bedtime|trip]] down memory lane.

:'''November 21st''' - Jonas shows more of the [[Doctor Visit|VHS tape]] and cannot understand it.

:'''November 22nd''' - Emma posts a Thanksgiving [[Eat Pie|video]] where she tells us she and her family are still in hiding.

:'''November 23rd''' - Taylor posts a [[Shocking Discovery|discovery]] that the faceless doctor is actually revealed in the mirror at the end of the VHS.

:'''November 24th''' - Taylor [[OMG! You have to save her!]] tells Jonas he has to save Sarah, as the doctor revealed in the mirror, is also the researcher from [[Verdus Pharmaceuticals]] and she fears for Sarah's safety.

:'''November 26th''' - Jonas [[Ambushed in a Tent|shows]] us he has been following the [[Dr. Calvin Hart|doctor]] and finds him in a tent packing his things. The doctor tells Jonas that he was the person who gave him the VHS tape and that they will talk about it later.

:'''November 27th''' - Emma [[Can't Sleep. Wanna chat?|posts]] a video in which she cannot sleep and worries about her rash.

:'''November 28th''' - Mallory posts a [[XxKissKissxx|video]] to Daniel where she is helping [[Professor DelMundo]] with a film project. On the same day, Daniel makes a video [[Jonas Cares|telling]] us that Jonas is on top of trying to find Sarah. On the same day, Jonas shows us his interesting [[Evil Drug Company Exposed!|conversation]] with Dr. Hart.

:'''November 29th''' - Sarah finally posts a [[Missing Girl Found|video]] letting us know that she is alive and still with the Lullaby Project helping them pass out care packages with a new friend, [[Jennie]].

:'''November 30th''' - Jonas and Dr. Hart are frightened by someone knocking on their door, assuming it is [[Verdus Pharmaceuticals]], they begin making an escape, however they soon find out it is [[Emma]].

===December===

:'''December 3rd''' - Jonas gives us an [[Playing Doctor|update]], letting us know he and Emma are back at home, and telling us that Emma had to run away from her parents because they would not stop injecting her even after seeing what [[Doctor Visit|happened]] to [[Gina]], and that Dr. Hart wants to study her and help her turn trait negative without dying.

:'''December 4th''' - [[Jennie]] is officially [[Jennie Bares All|introduced]] to us by Sarah and she tells us about herself.

:'''December 5th''' - Daniel [[Conjugal Visit|tells]] us he is going to go surprise Mallory on the set of the film she is helping to make.

:'''December 6th''' - Daniel goes to find Mallory and instead sees her [[Hot for Teacher|kissing]] Professor DelMundo.

:'''December 7th''' - Jonas, Emma, and Dr. Hart [[Germ Warfare Attack|break into]] [[Verdus Pharmaceuticals]] to use the lab facilities for Emma.

:'''December 11th''' - Emma and Dr. Hart [[Get Your Freak On|bond]] and talk about [[Gina]].

:'''December 12th''' - Mallory makes a [[I'll Do Whatever It Takes|plea]] to the audience to vote on whether or not she should keep trying to apologize to Daniel and if he should take her back.

:'''December 13th''' - Daniel [[Rebound Action|watches]] Mallory's video and attempts to contact Sarah at the Lullaby Project with no success. The [[Jonas Conference Call|conference call]] with Jonas takes place. Later, Daniel, Emma and Jonas play a [[Emma's Choice|game show.]]

:'''December 14th''' - Sarah posts an alarming [[Free Love|video]] in which she claims to have heard her "Eternal Song"

:'''December 15th''' - Jonas and Dr. Hart take Emma underground when they realize that they are being [[Corporate Thugs Are Stalking Us|stalked]] by corporate thugs.

:'''December 17th''' - [[Jennie]] makes her first [[Procreating on Peyote|blog]] where she tells us about a rock she found and brings about more concern that Sarah is becoming part of the HoO.

:'''December 18th''' - Daniel posts a [[Tired of B*tches|video]] telling us that he hates Mallory for cheating and just wants to talk to Sarah, begging Jennie to give him any information she might have on her whereabouts.

:'''December 19th''' - Jennie posts a [[Am I A Murderer?|video]] in which she tries to do outreach work for the Lullaby Project but is turned away by a woman who claims the Lullaby Project is a "curse" that has caused miscarriages in her family.

:'''December 21st''' - Jonas [[Spies In Our Midst|tells us]] that he believes there is a spy among us who told Virgil the code for the [[Jonas Conference Call|conference call]] and warning everyone to be careful. On the same day, Emma, against Jonas's wishes, posts a [[A Girl Alone|video]] telling us she is in yet another undisclosed location and that her parents have put out an APB on her.

:'''December 22nd''' - Jonas and Dr. Hart go to meet with a reporter when Verdus finds them and [[They Shot Him!|open fire]], shooting Dr. Hart.

:'''December 25th''' - Jonas posts a [[Killed By Big Pharma|video]] telling us that Dr. Hart may have been killed and showing us the meeting he had with the reporter they were supposed to meet the day they were shot at.

:'''December 26th''' - Sarah posts another [[Share My Sleeping Bag|worrisome video]] where she tries to explain her feelings and emotions about what has been going on with her lately.

==2008==
===January===
:'''January 2nd''' - In an irc chat, Sarah announces she will be performing some form of her "evolution" on January 4th

:'''January 3rd''' - Emma posts a [[Brainwashed In Chat|video]] telling us they are all headed to Mexico to try and save Sarah. On the same day Mallory tells us that Professor DelMundo is now [[Being Stalked|stalking]] her and that she doesn't feel safe in her home.

:'''January 4th''' - Daniel, Jonas, and Emma meet Jennie in Mexico and [[Party Crashers|save Sarah]] from the Hymn of One, Sarah is very upset and doesn't want to leave, but they take her by force.

:'''January 8th''' - After saving Sarah, TAAG decides to [[Splitting Up|split up]], Daniel taking Sarah back home, and Jonas and Emma staying in Mexico with Jennie to spy on Carl. On the same day, Daniel and Sarah get in a [[Bus-ted|fight]] on the way home.

:'''January 9th''' - Sarah posts a [[Can't Sleep... with Me|video]] where she can't sleep and seems to be reverting back to her old self.

:'''January 10th''' - Jonas and Jennie [[Cream or Sugar?|spy]] on Carl and Lucy. On the same day, Daniel [[The Kiss-Off|tells]] us and Mallory both in no uncertain terms that they are most assuredly over.

:'''January 11th''' - Daniel and Sarah [[Looking For A Date|infiltrate]] Verdus to get information, but with little success. On the same day, Jonas, Emma, and Jennie go to [[KIDNAPPED!|meet]] with Dr. Hart, but are ambushed by the Order and Emma is kidnapped.

:'''January 13th''' - Taylor posts a [[Watch Me Balance|video]] telling us she is no longer worried about Sarah, that she is getting a job and that she is becoming interested in [[Whatweird.com]] and [[Jack]].

:'''January 14th''' - Jennie [[Long Drive Home|lets us know]] that Jonas is alive and that she is bringing him home.

:'''January 15th''' - Daniel tells Jennie and Jonas to [[Stay Strong]].

:'''January 16th''' - Taylor talks more about [[Jack]] and tells Sarah to be careful.

:'''January 17th''' - Dr. Hart [[Girl Tied Up|explains]] that he had to kidnap Emma in order to save [[Gina]].

:'''January 18th''' - Jonas posts a [[Beer Bath|video]] in which he drunkenly regrets all of his mistakes.

:'''January 19th''' - Sarah and Daniel pay a [[Am I A Criminal?|visit]] to Ted McKinley's apartment. Daniel finds some documents from Verdus in the apartment.

:'''January 21st''' - After examining the documents, Daniel [[Lost & Found|reveals]] that Gina was never a patient in the Hart Study.

:'''January 22nd''' - Jonas [[Attracted to Danger|announces]] that he and Daniel will be at Ghiradelli Square the following day to meet with fans for help.

:'''January 23rd''' - Dr. Hart [[Her Body, Her Blood|confirms]] that Gina was not a patient, but born true trait positive and studied to be the control of the study.

:'''January 24th''' - Jonas [[Too Dangerous!|summarizes]] what transpired in Ghiradelli Square. Lucy followed them to the location, in which Jonas and Daniel fled to another location, leaving a cell phone with a memo, leading the fans to The Cannery. Again, the location changed, this time to Hyde Pier.

:'''January 25th''' - Daniel and Jonas [[Bloodlines: Part 1|break into William Porter's house]], meeting Virgil there. Virgil is ultimately shot and killed while TAAG make a narrow escape. Then TAAG [[Bloodlines: Part 2|find their way to a hospital]], where they find Emma, Dr. Hart and Gina. Jonas becomes upset when Daniel apparently leaves Emma behind but saves Gina. Soon after that, Jonas [[Bloodlines: Part 3|has entered the hospital]], against the advice of Daniel. He comes across a scene of Emma and an Elder performing The Ceremony. The Elder appears to die and Dr. Hart helps Emma to escape. Jonas and Emma [[She Lost A Lot Of Blood|escape]] from the hospital soon. [[Bloodlines: Part 4|Finally]], Dr. Hart reveals that Gina and Bree are sisters, originally from Russia, having been purchased by Verdus.

===February===

:'''February 11th''' - Daniel gives us an [[She Lost A Lot Of Blood|update]] showing that Emma was weakened from the Ceremony and why she chose to do the The Ceremony.

:'''February 12th''' - Jonas [[Up All Night|updates]] everyone on Emma's condition.

:'''February 13th''' - Daniel and Sarah [[4 Girls, 2 Guys|reveal]] that tensions have been high in the cabin, especially between Jennie and Jonas.

:'''February 14th''' - Everyone is perplexed at what Gina is [[Playing With Wood|building]]. During the video, Emma shows a staged Boggle board, which when decoded, led to a Craigslist listing where Emma sent her parents a message. This led to a chat between Emma and her parents later that night. Also on this date, Jennie posted a [[A Woman's World|video]] telling Jonas that he should let Emma make her own choices.

:'''February 15th''' - Emma posts a very emotional [[I Love You All|video]] in which she reveals a very tough decision she has made. She reveals her decision to go and be with her parents again.

:'''February 16th''' - Jonas is very [[Things Fall Apart|upset]] that Emma has left.

:'''February 19th''' - Jonas [[I Lost It|laments]] his inability to cope with Emma's leaving. On the same day Jennie and Sarah have their first [[Cat Fight!]]

:'''February 20th''' - [[Gina]] makes her first [[I've Never Done This Before|blog]] and she and Daniel get closer.

:'''February 21st''' - Jonas and Jennie get [[Hot Tubbing|intimate]]

:'''February 23rd''' - Daniel shows us the [[Hangover Hell|aftermath]] of the gangs partying, and Jonas finds out that Sarah has posted Gina's drawings on the forum. Daniel recognizes one of the drawings as Bree's adoptive mother.

:'''February 25th''' - Daniel [[Babe in the Woods|questions]] Gina about her portrait of Bree's mother, to which she replies "All I see is a face."

:'''February 27th''' - The gang is forced to [[Born to Run|relocate]] when they spot William Porter's [[Shadow]] trailing them in one of their latest videos.

:'''February 28th''' - Gina makes her second [[Drawing in Bed|blog]] contemplating her memories. She also finally tells us that Bree's mother's name was Elizabeth. On the same day, William Porter's Shadow posts a [[Coming For You|video]] full of puzzles and codes, telling TAAG that he is after them.

:'''February 29th''' - Sarah attempts some [[Spicing Things Up|humor]], and Gina goes missing.

===March===

:'''March 1st''' - Daniel and Jonas [[Looking for Gina|find]] Gina at Bree's old house, saying that she had been there as a child, on the way home with Gina, Daniel spots Lucy and the Shadow following them in a black SUV.

:'''March 3rd''' - Jonas talks about his [[Out of Control|feelings]] and tells us he and Daniel had gotten into a fight, and that, while they are still friends, he's not sure if they can stick together.

:'''March 4th''' - Jennie gets Gina ready and Gina [[She's Ready|announces]] that she will be in chat later that evening. Later, in the chat, TAAG discusses their next plan of action, amid much fighting.

:'''March 5th''' - Sarah [[Prey|tells]] us that Jennie and Jonas are going to take Gina to find Bree's mom, but that she and Daniel are staying behind, also, she said that a store clerk told her that the Shadow was looking for her and her friends.

:'''March 6th''' - Gina [[What Have I Done?|wonders]] if splitting up TAAG was the right thing to do.

:'''March 7th''' - Porter's Shadow is caught on film [[In the Bedroom|lurking]] in Jennie's bedroom, they then chase him out the door where is is apparently struck by a vehicle and killed.

:'''March 10th''' - TAAG has fun [[At the Beach]]!

:'''March 11th''' - Jennie [[Tangled Web|determines]] that Sarah will be the best canidate for getting them close to Carl.

:'''March 12th''' - Sarah finds a [[Spanish Princess|love letter]] from Carl and admits to sleeping with him while she was in Mexico.

:'''March 13th''' - Daniel and Jonas go on a [[Coffee and Donuts|stakeout]] stalking Carl..again.

:'''March 14th''' - Carl [[Mexican Mating Machine|shows up]] with roses and tells Sarah he's quit the HoO.

:'''March 17th''' - Jennie [[It's The Doing That Matters|ponders]] what her purpose is.

:'''March 18th''' - Sarah [[Hostage Crisis|considers]] a "romantic" deal from Carl.

:'''March 19th''' - TAAG [[Stock Options|finds]] that [[Elizabeth Avery]] may have more to do with [[Verdus]] than they thought.

:'''March 20th''' - Gina [[Through My Eyes|explains]] how she sees things.

:'''March 21st''' - Gina is [[Bree's Mom|abducted]] by Bree's mother.

:'''March 22nd''' - Gina is [[Girl, Returned|returned]] seemingly drugged and with a CD.

:'''March 25th''' - Daniel and Carl get into a [[Kick His A$S!!|fight]] about Sarah.

:'''March 27th''' - This disc Gina was given is [[Recovered Memory|revealed]] to be videos of Gina and Bree playing together as children.

:'''March 28th''' - Gina tells us she has decided to [[All I Ever Wanted|meet Bree's mom]]

:''' March 29th''' - Gina [[The Devil Speaks|meets]] Bree's mom and talks with her.

:'''March 31st''' - With new incentive, Daniel [[I'm On Fire|vows]] to avenge Bree's death

===April===
:'''April 1st''' - Sarah [[Fries And A Shakedown|tries]] to get information from Carl.

:'''April 2nd''' - TAAG finds a mysterious [[A Stranger Calls|phone]] with a mysterious message on it.

:'''April 3rd''' - The code is [[Varsity Blues|cracked]] and Daniel gets jealous of Gina and Jonas's closeness.

:'''April 4th''' - TAAG [[Hook Up At the Park|meets]] with [[Bree's Mom]] and she tells them to look for a [[Mary Annette]]

:'''April 7th''' - Jonas [[Morning Glory|vows]] to avenge Bree's death.

:'''April 8th''' - Daniel [[I Miss Her|busts out]] the P. Monkey email and posts it on the forum.

:'''April 9th''' - TAAG takes a [[Cruisin' With The Ladies|trip]] to Catalina Island in search of Bree's Elder.

:'''April 10th''' - Jennie [[Bathroom Talk|expresses]] concern for Jonas and all of TAAG.

:'''April 12th''' - TAAG heads to the Alcombe Antique store to get a lead on Bree's Elder and spot Lucy buying a doll for someone.

:'''April 14th''' - After [[Final Appeal|finding]] Bree's Elder's coat of arms, TAAG posts it on the forum in hopes of more leads.

:'''April 15th''' - Sarah [[Adios Amigos|decides]] to leave with Carl.

:'''April 16th''' - [[Steve]] posted a video saying that he had seen the coat of arms and TAAG [[Mmm Beer!|decides]] it's time to head to London.

:'''April 17th''' - TAAG has a fun [[Beach Party|time]] at the beach!

:'''April 18th''' - Jonas [[Escape to London|decides]] to go to London on his own.

:'''April 21st''' - Jonas [[LA To LDN|meets]] Steve at the London airport.

:'''April 22nd''' - Jonas and Steve are shot at while [[Hunting The Elder]].

:'''April 23rd''' - The [[K-Team]] throw a [[Raise The Roof|party]] to welcome Jonas to the U.K.

:'''April 24th''' - Steve shows Jonas the DVD with [[Michelle Clore]] speaking a foreign language and mentioning each member of TAAG by name.

:'''April 25th''' - Steve and Jonas are once again [[Outta Here|attacked]] and they both head to America.

:'''April 28th''' - Jonas and Steve come to America and are [[Crazy Border Crossing!!|immediately]] shot at.

:'''April 29th''' - It is [[Hot Tacos|revealed]] that Steve was the one who was shot, then TAAG sits back, eats tacos and has a good laugh about the name of a certain British delicacy.

:'''April 30th''' - TAAG [[Computer Penetration|finds]] out it is [[Edward Salinas]] who is trying to kill them this time and Daniels computer is hacked by him with a ominous message.

===May===

:'''May 1st''' - TAAG [[Politics Gone Wild!|almost]] takes down Salinas but Steve flubs his part of the job.

:'''May 2nd''' - Daniel and Steve get in an [[Alone in the Woods|argument]] and the gang leaves Steve alone in the woods.

:'''May 5th''' - TAAG once again [[We Will Fight|decides]] they will not fun anymore, but fight the Order. Daniel calls Sarah asking her to come back.

:'''May 6th''' - Sarah and Carl [[Corn Nuts|return]] with ensuing hilarity.

:'''May 7th''' - TAAG [[Casting Couch|wants]] to go undercover at the Salinas campaign and try to decide who's going to be the best person for the job.

:'''May 8th''' - Jennie [[Satan's HQ|infiltrates]] Salinas's headquarters and soon finds she is in over her head.

:'''May 9th''' - Jennie attempts to put the "plantcake" rumors to rest with some [[Q & A With Jennie|Q & A]] from fans. On the same day, Jennie uploads a video [[Sneak Attack!|showing]] that Elizabeth Avery came out of nowhere to tell them that Emma's life was in danger.

:'''May 12th''' - Jonas [[Backseat Shocker|shows]] us the rest of what happened with Jennie and Elizabeth and we find out that Emma is truly in need of help.

:'''May 14th''' - TAAG [[Booby Trap?|receives]] a package from Emma.

:'''May 16th''' - TAAG [[Stiff|makes]] a gruesome discovery and show Emma where they can find them, in code, of course.

:'''May 19th''' - Emma is [[Operation Emma|recovered]] after some intense hide and seek.

:'''May 20th''' - Emma [[Girl Grown Up|catches us up]] on what's been going on with her and confirms she is ready to fight the Order again!

:'''May 21st''' - The boys make the girls stay at home, but they still have [[Backyard Bikini Patrol|fun]]

:'''May 22nd''' - Salinas [[Tick Tick Boom|sends]] Sarah a threatening message saying Carl will be blown up if she doesn't give herself up.

:'''May 23rd''' - Emma [[Doing It Myself|decides]] to save the day on her own.

:'''May 27th''' - TAAG [[Goodbye... For Now|announces]] they will be going underground and not posting any videos until they feel it is safe again.

===June===

:'''June 2nd''' - The group's first [[Sticks & Stones|video after their small hiatus]], Gina reveals that during their time offline, TAAG escaped to the [[Big Bear Lake|rented cabin at Big Bear Lake]].

:'''June 3rd''' - Sarah develops the idea of an 80s prom as the group experiences [[Cabin Fever]].

:'''June 4th''' - After a [[Dressing Room Hi-Jinks|day of shopping]], Sarah informs the rest of the girls that she's invited Carl to prom. While they are all but positive, Emma instantly supports Sarah's decision.

:'''June 5th''' - On the afternoon of prom, TAAG settles the [[Partner Swap|prom date situation]] for good; not to mention, Sarah makes it clear to Daniel that she's already asked Carl to come.

:'''June 6th''' - The members of TAAG slowly resurface one by one with footage from the night before. First to upload [[Prom: It's To Die For - Part 1|a video]] is Daniel, on his own and being chased be a Shadow. Not long after, Emma, being pursued by a Watcher, posts on the LG15 forums and uploads [[Prom: It's To Die For - Part_2|her footage]], revealing that someone had fallen during the chaos the previous night. Seeing Daniel and Emma's posts, Jennie also uploads [[Prom:_It%27s_To_Die_For_-_Part_3|a video]], giving a puzzle containing a secret location for the remaining members of TAAG to meet up. Her footage contains a realization about the true nature of Carl. TAAG finally [[Prom:_It%27s_To_Die_For_-_Part_4|meets up]], with Sarah and Gina are notably missing. The group heads off for the Hymn of One center, where Jonas confronts Salinas, grabs the last piece of footage from prom, and runs. Emma subsequently uploads it, revealing that it was Gina who had died after taking a bullet intended for Jonas.

:'''June 9th''' - Emma makes [[No More Fear|a video]] and song in tribute to Gina. She also reports that Sarah had showed up "randomly" with a strange explaination as to where she has been and what exactly happened to her.

:'''June 10th''' - Sarah tells [[A Woman Scorned|her story]] about what happened to her after prom. While burning things Carl had given her and expressing her deep hate for him, she reveals how guilty she feels for Gina's death.

:'''June 11th''' - [[Undercover Lovers|Taking matters into her own hands]], Jennie meets up with [[Ross Thompson|Thompson]] for dinner. After using sleeping pills to knock Thompson out, she searches his apartment and finds encoded documents that could bring [[Edward Salinas|Salinas]] down. She appeals to a friend from LG15.com, [[Evergreen]], to help her understand the documents.

:'''June 12th''' - Evergreen [[Evergreen Saves the Day|explains]] that the documents Jennie had found were bank statements and wire transfer details. She discovers that hundreds of thousands of dollars were being funneled into Salinas's personal account, and the money may be coming from [[Sacred Spirit]], which officially links [[Carl]] to Salinas.

:'''June 13th''' -[[Edward Salinas]] [[Hangman's Noose|reportedly]] dies of suicide, and [[TAAG]] kidnaps [[Carl]].

:'''June 18th''' -[[Carl]] [[Bullet to the Head|reveals]] that [[Lord Carruthers]] runs [[The Order]], and financed the [[Edward Salinas|Salinas Campaign]] through [[Sacred Spirit]].

:'''June 19th''' -[[TAAG]] take [[Carl]] to the police.

:'''June 20th''' -[[Carl]] hangs himself in his jail cell, probably a result of [[The Order]], and [[TAAG]] finds a file and a hidden camera in their house.

:'''June 23rd''' -The first of [[Gina]]'s last drawings are posted by [[Daniel]]. The picture is an illustration of medical tools used on Gina during her time in the Hart Study.

:'''June 24th''' -The [[Gina]]'s second picture is posted by [[Sarah]]. The picture is an illustration of Gina and two other children in a bio-hazard room.

:'''June 26th'''- [[Emma]] tells the members of [[TAAG]] that she is leaving to go to a private boarding school for gifted students.

:'''June 27th''' -The rest of [[Gina]]'s pictures are revealed and explained as part of [[Gina]]'s trials in the Hart Study while she was in La Crete, Canada.

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2008-06-20T19:21:45Z

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2008-06-20T19:18:46Z

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Talk:Phorum 3

2008-06-20T19:16:03Z

Nancypants: Reverted edits by 195.149.90.86 (Talk); changed back to last version by Milowent

Talk:In Loving Memory

2008-06-20T02:41:10Z

Nancypants:

==Sweet==

What a joy to see my idea come to fruition so quickly. :) Thanks jonpro, Zoey, and anyone else who helped.

What are the community's plans for this page? I was considering writing a paragraph about the character's life. Thoughts? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:48, 11 June 2008 (EST)

:This is lovely but isn't it a little morbid for the pictures to be of them dead? I'd rather see them alive and happy. Especially people like Bree and Gina. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:39, 13 June 2008 (CDT)

::I agree. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 16:04, 14 June 2008

:::Well, yes and no. I agree that it is a bit morbid... but we have pictures of them happy and alive everywhere. I don't know, it's kind of the one place we can really feature the "death" scenes... and it's kind of an ironic statement for the page. For me, I kind of like it... I know I'm probably not explaining it that well at the moment... but I do. What um, what do other people think though? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 15:09, 14 June 2008 (CDT)
::::What about one of each? Showing a pic of them smiling and happy and then a death picture? Eh...kinda cluttered, I suppose. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:52, 14 June 2008 (EST)
:::::Hmm not a bad idea, but the clutter would be a problem. We could maybe do a split-screen like happy alive picture|dead picture. God, that might be even more depressing! LoL [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 21:41, 19 June 2008 (CDT)

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2008-06-20T02:37:32Z

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Talk:In Loving Memory

2008-06-13T19:39:08Z

Nancypants:

List of lonelygirl15 videos/Season 3

2008-06-11T23:47:30Z

Nancypants:

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<li>[[Playing With Wood]] {{init|Sarah}}
<li>[[A Woman's World]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[I Love You All]] {{init|Emma}}

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<li>[[I Lost It]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Cat Fight!]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[I've Never Done This Before]] {{init|Gina}}
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<li>[[Coming For You]] {{init|Shadow}}
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<li>[[Looking for Gina]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Out of Control]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[She's Ready]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Prey]] {{init|Sarah}}
<li>[[What Have I Done?]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[In the Bedroom]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[At the Beach]] {{init|Daniel}}

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<li>[[Spanish Princess]] {{init|Sarah}}
<li value="437">[[Coffee and Donuts]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Mexican Mating Machine]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[It's The Doing That Matters]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Hostage Crisis]] {{init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Stock Options]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Through My Eyes]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[Bree's Mom]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Girl, Returned]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Kick His A$S!!]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Recovered Memory]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[All I Ever Wanted]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[The Devil Speaks]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[I'm On Fire]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Fries And A Shakedown]] {{init|Sarah}}

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<li>[[A Stranger Calls]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Varsity Blues]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Hook Up At the Park]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Morning Glory]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[I Miss Her]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Cruisin' With The Ladies]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Bathroom Talk]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Shop of Horrors!!!]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Final Appeal]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Adios Amigos]] {{init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Mmm Beer!]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Beach Party]] {{init|Jennie}}

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<li>[[Escape to London]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[LA To LDN]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Hunting The Elder]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[Raise The Roof]] {{init|Lauren}}
<li>[[What Is She Saying?]] {{init|Lauren}}
<li>[[Outta Here]] {{init|Jonas}}

===Vote Salinas===
<li>[[Crazy Border Crossing!!]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Hot Tacos]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Computer Penetration]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Politics Gone Wild!]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Alone in the Woods]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[We Will Fight]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Corn Nuts]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Casting Couch]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[Satan's HQ]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Q & A With Jennie]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Sneak Attack!]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Backseat Shocker]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Booby Trap?]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[Stiff]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Operation Emma]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[Girl Grown Up]] {{init|Emma}}
<li>[[Backyard Bikini Patrol]] {{init|Sarah}}

===Things Get Serious===
<li>[[Tick Tick Boom]] {{init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Doing It Myself]] {{init|Emma}}
<li>[[Goodbye... For Now]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Sticks & Stones]] {{init|Gina}}
<li>[[Cabin Fever]] {{init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Dressing Room Hi-Jinks]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Partner Swap]] {{init|Emma}}

===Prom: It's to Die For===
<li>[[Prom: It's To Die For - Part 1]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Prom: It's To Die For - Part 2]] {{init|Emma}}
<li>[[Prom: It's To Die For - Part 3]] {{init|Jennie}}
<li>[[Prom: It's To Die For - Part 4]] {{init|Emma}}

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<li>[[A Woman Scorned]] {{init|Sarah}}
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*[[#Things Heat Up|Things Heat Up]]
*[[#Shadowed|Shadowed]]
*[[#Carl and Sacred Spirit|Carl and Sacred Spirit]]
*[[#The Hunt for Bree's Elder|The Hunt for Bree's Elder]]
*[[#Jonas In London|Jonas In London]]
*[[#Vote Salinas|Vote Salinas]]
*[[#Things Get Serious|Things Get Serious]]
*[[#Prom: It's to Die For|Prom: It's to Die For]]
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User talk:Jonpro

2008-06-10T03:18:59Z

Nancypants: /* Portal Redesign to Get Rid of Gina */

Hey, just saw that you've now made 200 edits. Thanks for all the hard work! You ought to put a little something on your user page.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:17, 13 December 2006 (CST)

==Categories==
That userbox was also made with you in mind. Glad you liked it! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 18:03, 17 February 2007 (CST)

== Redirects ==

Whoa, I didn't realize my moving the ceremony page would cause so many double redirects and such. Thanks for getting those! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:47, 18 February 2007 (CST)

:Why redirect the Strange Tag pages? Did I miss a discussion? '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 19:01, 7 March 2007 (CST)

::See [[:Category talk:Strange tags]]. My reasoning is that these pages are rarely updated and don't seem to serve any useful purpose. Do you disagree?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:51, 7 March 2007 (CST)

== Welcome... ==

... to the admin club. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 14:06, 8 March 2007 (CST)

== Beach Bum? ==
-- Well, Daniel's new video is up on Revver. I also had started the video thread for it.
(Also, when I get a new message like this, do I add it to the talk page of the User who sent it to me or what?)

:No problem. It happened yesterday too with "Sorry Jonas"--[[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 5:08pm, 8 March 2007 (CST)

== Facility J ==
Thanks for letting me know about the history part. I'm a wiki noob, and there is much I don't know. One of our team members was working on a recap that wasn't full fleshed out yet. Also, I had set up several links with xxx's as markers for her to fill in the blanks. She had wanted to add some content, and didn't know how, so I was trying to teach her. Maybe this isn't good wiki protocol, I don't know, but It was the only way I could think to do it without doing it for her. Any way, I know your intentions are good. And I know the risks of being edited mercilessly, so it's all good :) - [[User: Luminous|Luminous]]

== Bot ==

How does the bot work exactly? Do you pick the pages it edits or does it find them automatically? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:03, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

:Cool, thanks for the explanation. It looks like it's a real shame that we didn't think of doing this earlier! The whole lonelygirl15.com site has been really crawling for me. It seems to be faster now so I'll try to authorize it right now. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:34, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

::Okay, LGBot is now authorized. Its edits won't flood the recent changes window. The edits can still be reviewed at [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&hidebots=0&limit=100 recent changes with bots] and of course at [[Special:Contributions/LGBot]]. Thanks for getting this set up. Rock and roll. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:39, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

==bitsie==
hey, any reason you removed the external links?--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 01:53, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

== previous and next by ... ==

<nowiki>*looks at recent changes*</nowiki> 
You know, this kind of stuff is exactly the reason there's a "bot" flag...
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:23, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

== Images ==
Thanks for the tip. I wondered how others could upload and categorize simultaneously! I'll cast my eyes over the various location pages some time... The little galleries in the discussion pages are a nod to the triple thumbnails you get on the "All Comments" sections on YouTube. It provides a nice header for a mostly textual page. Glad you like them. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 18:01, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

About the Bunker discussion page Missour Jonpro, I wanted the image to show; I did a screen capture. also, while i'm at it, i think i cought a good screen shot for "They seem a little rough... but they're not so bad". http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t41/Nieriel_Manwathiel/bree2.jpg
sorry; i need to learn how to do images!! --[[user:Nieriel.Manwathiel|Nieriel.Manwathiel]]

== Contacting You ==

Hey, I was just wondering if there was some way I could contact you off the wiki? I've got some ideas on how to help you with things, etc. but I dont really want to have to deal with a billion back/forth public posts. So uh... I dont really know how to ask this without coming off as a stalker... but is there some other way to contact you? An AIM/MSN/YIM... or even an e-mail address? Something we could do more... "privately" and quickly. Thanks. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:21, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

:Yeah, when you're on my user page you can click on "E-mail this user" on the left menu. That will open up a form where you can send me an email. Really, though, if it's stuff related to the wiki, it's probably best to talk about it somewhere here. You can leave a message on my talk page or on the talk page of the article that you want to work on or at [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony]] or wherever. That's not to say I don't want you to email me (that's perfectly fine), but if it's something that other people might want to weigh in on, you should probably do it here.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 00:27, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

:: Ah okay no, I do know to generally contact publically. This was more related to some of the things I noticed you were personally working on and how I could help. I figured specifics might just take up other people's times :P So yeah, I'll send you an e-mail tommorow. Thanks. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:26, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

:::Ok, cool. Thanks.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 01:31, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

== Banning 205.188.116.* ==

JonPro, rather than banning each individual IP that he uses to vandelize with, how about banning the whole 205.188.116.* subnet. I don't think we have any other users that would block -[[User:Misty|misty]] 19:25, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

:Hmm, is that even possible? I'm not sure if it is. And even then, it's probably best to only block IPs that actually vandalize. It's not that hard to revert edits and block individual users.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:35, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

::Yes, you can ban ranges of IPs with *s. I've had to do it for some forums I run a couple of times. Normally I'd say to ban them individually.. but this person does seem to have some sort of vendetta against you.. maybe you should just ban the range? Just a thought :P --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:19, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

:::It's a tempting idea, but remember he's been using many different IPs, including many that are not in the 205 range at all. It's quite easy to use the internet through a proxy, although it does slow down your connection a lot. I think blocking IP ranges would not stop him, while still limiting access to honest people that won't understand why they can't edit. Jonpro rocks and no loser with a lame vendetta against him can change that. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 20:49, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

::::Ah, thanks OiC. I actually find this person kind of amusing. I can't think of many things more pathetic than picking on a person he doesn't even know over the Internet for no apparent reason. Anyway, good idea Misty, but I think OiC makes a good point.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:22, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

::::: Just being silly, sorry! --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 22:12, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
::::::gaw, we <3 Jonpro. May I say that you've handled this extremely professionally and have been very mature about it. I don't want to bring more attention to the issue than necessary, but that had to be said. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:29, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
==lost work ==
your little minor edit on the character redesign caused me to loose over a half hour of work, how do I prevent edit conflicts?

Thanks, that will be of help. I wish I knew of the inuse template before -[[User:Misty|misty]] 12:04, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

== Helping Out ==

OK, if you guys are happy with me helping out "whenever you can and that's all you can do" then I'm happy. Just give me some notice as to when you switch it on and some sort of tutorial on the new functions would be useful. Oh and thanks for the kind comments! [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 18:40, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

== redesign ==

LOL: I just made the template. - I would like to make this universal. I think the bot could accomplsh that easily:
insert:
<nowiki>{{header|{{PAGENAME}}}} </nowiki>
at the top of each page, and replace
<nowiki>== <title> ==</nowiki>
with:
<nowiki>{{subheader|<title>}}</nowiki>
-[[User:Misty|misty]] 12:13, 12 May 2007 (CDT)

: I think it will look really good on the video pages, with a little work. check out Redesign test. it's a little beyond me to figure out how to fix the spacing problem but maybe you know what to do. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:15, 12 May 2007 (CDT)
Another problem that I just discovered: when I click on the edit link in the subheader tit brings up a blank edit box. before i turned it into a template it brought up the source in the edit box. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 21:25, 12 May 2007 (CDT)

== Your status update ==

Aw, Jon, I've been wondering where you went! Hope everything in your new "status" is a happy thing though. And uh, don't go totally vanishy on us... we neeeeed you xP. Hehe. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:17, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

:Awww, thanks Zoey. And yeah, everything's going good... it's more just that I won't be able to get on the computer as much as I used to. And no worries about me leaving completely, I'll always be hanging around and scanning [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] if nothing else. Anyway, I'm glad you think you need me, and the same right back to you :).--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 00:53, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

== Question for Miles ==

If we're supposed to conjure up a new design, it'd help to know the colorscheme they're going to use for KateModern.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:36, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

== Is it True ==

That lgpedia is looking for new admins. Not that i want it but there are people that i want to have that position. Such as Misty or SilverBullet. [[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 01:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

#I don't think your opinion alone is decisive for who's becoming an admin here and who doesn't.
#Zoey addressed your "nominations" on [[User talk:Houdini|your talk page]] already. The fact that you are trying to play one admin against another only gives them more reason ''not'' to trust your nominations.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:40, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

::I agree, Renegade. And I think Zoey summed it up pretty well on your talk page, Houdini. I suggest you read that.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:47, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

hey i didn't see that message until after i wrote this message
so renegade i am not trying to play them against eachother
and jonpro i saw it
and zoey i'm sorry

== KateModern Video Blog Template ==

On the template, because i don't know how to do this can you make it so that the forum links are KateModern forum links, because it links to the posts on Lg15's forum. - [[Houdini]]

:Okay, Houdini, relax please. There is a lot of stuff that needs changing over with the redesign, and it is being done as fast as we can manage. These things take time, as it is such a massive project, so just be patient and trust that we won't forget about anything. (And if we do, well, wait to make sure that we're actually DONE before pointing it out. If we are, THEN feel free to post your concerns.) But pointing out ALL of the things that need to be done atm = not helpful. Like I said, massive project, working on getting everything done as soon as we possibly can. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:39, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

== Lonelygirl15 Missions or Maybe another name ==

Hey i think i am going to start a missions page for lgpedia. All the missions for lg15. - [[Houdini]]

what i mean is like all the mission BDJ had to go through like capturing jules - [[houdini]]

==Bot==
Oh hey Jonpro I saw you made a bot for LG15Pedia I just wanted to know how did you make it?--[[User:LB15|LB15]] 19:13, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

== There i Put it on Lucy's Balcony ==

it is right here

http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy's_Balcony#Missions_Page

== This is Gunna Sound Stupid... ==

So i am getting the idea from two other sites so what. But i tried to talk to Zoey and also Lucy's Balcony and it barely got reactions. So i will try to go to you.

I really want LGPedia to have awards that users can hand out other users for different reasons. I got the idea from wikipedia with their barnstars and lostpedia with their awards. I think we should have the bree award, taylor award, and stuff like that. So lets just say renegade made a great edit then someone can give him an award for making a great edit. --[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:11, 28 July 2007 (CDT)
::I was going to do it myself, just wondering what you or the others thought of it.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 12:39, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
==The Ceremony (ritual)==
Thanks very much, I posted on the discussion page to ask others if they liked it. Do you think it would be safe to take off the under construction tab or wait to ask Zoey first? She put it up.~[[user:Nancypants|Nancypants]]

== [[User:203.121.71.169]] ==

You don't seriously think that one is a real user, do you? If he wanted to spout random stuff about this "forum" somewhere, he'd do it on the talk page of the main page, and not in the archive of the talk page of the redesign of the main page. 
A normal user wouldn't even ''go'' there, and a user new enough to post how great this "forum" is probably wouldn't even ''find'' that page. Not to mention that the word "forum" in itself is a pretty good indicator it's an automated message.

And if reasonably analyzing it hasn't convinced you, come over here for a second and talk to my very good friend [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Great+forum!%22+%22I+found+a+lot+of+interesting+information+here.%22+%22Does+this+forum+helpful+for+you+also%3F%22&num=50&hl=en&safe=off&filter=0 Google].
:Sincerly,
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:48, 12 October 2007 (CDT)

== LGBot ==

So hotmail sucks, I just wanted to sure you had gotten my e-mail about LGBot? Thanks. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 19:08, 24 October 2007 (CDT)
==Link==
How dare you make my link work properly! Haha, just kidding! Thank you! Oh, and just so you know, it appears that I am now the center of that absurd westside guy's "wrath" as he has devoted a blog to calling me fat, so hey, he might forget about his unhealthy obsession with you! ~[[User:Nancypants|Nancy]]
::Thanks for the tip on signing stuff, I didn't know that! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:12, 9 November 2007 (CST)

== Re:Wikibox edits ==

Just to let ya know, the extra * in the wikibox template added an extra bullet point on the left side, so it ''did'' make a difference. Don't lie to my sister!! hehehe ;) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:56, 11 March 2008 (CDT)

== Thanks! ==
Hey, just wanted to say thanks for the welcome and thanks so much for clearing my messy userpage. :D Hey, do you know how to do the cool time signing off thing? Much appreciated. -[[User:Neavers|Neavers]]

== Reply to comment ==

Just fyi, I replied to your post on [[User talk:Abslch]].
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 21:55, 10 May 2008 (CDT)

== Thanks ==
Hey Jon just wanted to say thanks for putting that on the talk page and to let you know that I had no intention of attempting an edit war, I hate those as much as the next guy! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 21:48, 29 May 2008 (CDT)

==Goodbye... For Now Talk Page==
Check out [[Talk:Goodbye... For Now]]. I replied to your comment.--[[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:31, 29 May 2008 (CDT)

==Portal Redesign to Get Rid of Gina==
What do you know that we don't? I'd at least wait for the obligatory "crying on the beach b/c Gina's dead" video before we just take her off the main characters bar. You know the Creators...nothing is ever confirmed until it's been doubly confirmed. You know what I mean? I could see them going and making Sarah the one that's dead and Gina recovering from the shot. It's unlikely, but there is a chance. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:52, 8 June 2008 (CDT)
::Ok this has very little to do with the above discussion but: ROFLMAO ''obligatory crying on the beach vid!'' Malan, you're hilarious! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:18, 9 June 2008 (CDT)

User talk:Xo vanessa anne

2008-06-10T00:46:13Z

Nancypants:

Hey, I noticed that you've been editing lately, so I just wanted to pop by your page and thank you for all of your hard work, as well as officially welcome you to LGPedia! Feel free to let me or any of the other [[LGPedia:Administrators|admins]] know if you have any questions. We're happy to help! Thanks again! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:11, 8 June 2008 (CDT)

Just wanted to say that you do really well with the transcripts! The descriptions are worded great and everything. Nice job :)

-[[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]

Hey I just wanted to say I can't tell you how grateful I am that you are editing the timeline, I've pretty much been keeping it up on my own for months now and it's great to have some help with it. Also (in regard to your edit summary) I think June 6th looks perfectly fine, everyone knows alot went on that day. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:17, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::You did very nicely for your first comment! Just so you know if you put <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your comment it'll put your name and a time stamp too, I didn't know that for the first, like, 6 months I was editing on here. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:46, 9 June 2008 (CDT)