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Finally, for discussions deader than Bree's dad, please visit [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive2|the older archives]].
 
Finally, for discussions deader than Bree's dad, please visit [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive2|the older archives]].
 
==No uploading??==
 
 
The "Upload File" function doesn't seem to be working since the site renovation (for me, anyway, and judging by the fact that [[Mission Possible]] still doesn't have a pic, probably for everyone else).  Is someone actively working to fix this? (Please???) ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 17:33, 23 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
:Hmm, I don't know, but it's not working for me either. Someone should probably send an email to the right person if no one already has. I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure if I should just send it straight to [[the Creators]] or to someone else. If it's not fixed in the next few hours and no one has responded here, I'll go ahead and send them an email.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:18, 23 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
::Zoey mentioned she had e-mailed BK an hour ago.
 
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:20, 23 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
We can upload files now (and quite amusingly, [[User:EmoGlasses|EmoGlasses]] and I uploaded nearly identical pictures, respectively called NinjaSpencer and SpencerNinja).  However, the picture doesn't appear on the episode template, and in its place is a distracting error message.  I've left it up there for now, but I'm sure that someone will revert that... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 23:03, 23 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
: *Hair pull out* Darn error messages!  Okay, I'm working on it.. contacting people.  Hopefully we get this all sorted out soon! :( --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:32, 23 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
::Make sure to tell them the problem is most likely a faulty installation of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GD_Graphics_Library libgd], specific error messages being "<code>Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg</code>" and "<code>Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromgif</code>".
 
 
::Googling the error messages should give them enough results to find the error.
 
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 08:18, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
 
::<small>P.S.: Did I mention it takes extra-effort to fuck up server libraries while moving around ''content''?</small>
 
 
::: The new lonelygirl15 site is blah, IMO.  I don't even see why they had to tinker with the LGPedia.  Our old design matched, but now the portals, particularly the LG portal, really clash with this new gray/modernist design. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 09:20, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
::::Wait, are you saying you dislike the LGPedia design or the Lonelygirl15 design?  I'm confused.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:42, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
==Missions Page==
 
I was thinking about having a missions page for the lonelygirl5 characters. Like a list of their missions, and what worked, what didn't, who was involved, why were they doing this. Sort of like one part of it could be about obtaining jules. Does anyone think we should do that, or not? Does anyone have any new missions? Like they can work with me to find all missions.[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:14, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
 
:I support this idea. It's good to gather information on a wiki. Anyhow, the capturing of Jules, the getting Bree back millions of times, the breaking into Lucy's apartment twice, the whole deal. Should we create it at [[Missions]]? <span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 11:27, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
 
::Yeah, I'm imagine we could add Daniel's rescue, the tailing of Alex, and the search for Isaac Gilman as well! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:32, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
 
::Someone need to put it on a sandbox and we can all work on it together. I'm not sure how to work with a sandbox.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 14:26, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
 
::There i tried to start it, but it wasn't very succesful. If you are good with codes please go here.  http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:Houdini/sandbox
 
 
:That was just an idea to have the blue border and the table format. If you like can you spoof it up a bit. And if you don't, feel free to change it.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:35, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
::We could do the capturing of Jules, the Vegas capturing of BDJ, the tailing of Alex, the search for Isaac Gilman, the race to contact Spencer Gilman, Daniel breaking into the EPOGEN warehouse, Daniel breaking into Lucy's apartment, the Mexico capturing of Alex by Lucy, getting Bree back, Bree escaping to be with her fellow Hymnies, getting Bree back again, the Order murdering Drew and Isaac, Brother murdering Gemma, Tachyon exposing Gemma, and so the saga continues. It's a lot, but I think it'd be nice to keep all the missions somewhere. '''Strong support.''' <span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 11:41, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
==Show Template?==
 
Considering that [[lonelygirl15]] and [[KateModern]] right now both use [[Template:FakeBlog2]], I think it's time for a show template. The show template could have slots for the creators of the show, the main cast of the show, an image of the main cast of the show, a caption for that image, beginning date to end date (end date optional - if you don't fill it in, it would say "to present"), optional spin-off slot, & more. Any opinions? <span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 10:10, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 
:Any thoughts at all? <span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 11:38, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 
::Hello? <span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 15:32, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 
:::You remind me of a child..."Mom, look what I'm doing! Mom! Mom! Look! YOU'RE NOT LOOOOOKING!!!"
 
:::Isn't the fact that nobody responds answer enough?
 
:::We. Don't. Care.
 
:::The current setup works fine. On a theoretical level, you are right. FakeBlog2 is abused in that situation, and a dedicated template would make sense. But practically, ''it's overkill''. Why create an entire new template for ''two pages'' if the hack works flawlessly?
 
:::The only difference a dedicated show template would make is that a dozen fan series would start using it.
 
:::So, as said...nobody responded for a reason. If you consider it necessary, go ahead and do it. But the fact that not even ''Houdini'', who's enthusiastic about pretty much everything, replied, should give you a hint about how much interest there is in this topic.
 
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:34, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
::That was harsh Renegade. Anywase i honestly didn't get what you meant silver. I must have read it while i was tired. Anywase i say go ahead and do it. It doesn't hurt to do it. It only adds to LGPedia in a good way. Oh and renegade what did that enthusiastic thing mean.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 21:42, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
:::What was harsh about that? If all other discussions on this page get replies but this one doesn't, that ''is'' a pretty good indicator that nobody cares. There's nothing harsh about that, and it's not even ment in an insulting way. That's just how it is. As I said, on a technical level, he's right, so there's probably no one here who'd object - but on a practical level, everything works, so no one here is motivated to change it, either. So, nobody cares. If he wants to change it, fine. If not, everything still works. Nothing harsh about it. Just human nature.
 
:::And that enthusiastic thing was pointing out that, even though you are involved in everything and always happy to edit and start new projects, not even ''you'' cared before you saw me reference you. I was just trying to put the lack of interest into perspective.
 
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:40, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
:Guys, please take it easy around here . . . .--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 22:09, 29 July 2007
 
(CDT)
 
 
::Alright sorry Pheon.I wasn't going to start a fight i was just wondering what that statement meant.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:15, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
:::I figured no one was responding to this, so I haven't checked Lucy's Balcony in a while. When I saw it... Renegade, that was harsh. I remind you of a whining child? I was just wondering if any administrators had any opinions or input to my idea, because, as always, I am trying to help the LGPedia. You're just hurting its members. Thanks for your support Pheon, and Houdini. <span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 16:09, 12 August 2007 (CDT)
 
 
::::It was the truth. If you consider the truth harsh, then fine, it was harsh. But I am not to blame for the truth. You posted ''thrice'' and the only reason I replied was because I feared you wouldn't stop unless you got some feedback.
 
::::If nobody cares, nobody cares. That's not my opinion, that's not an attempt to insult you, that's just reality.
 
::::Seriously, think about it: If I was wrong, if "nobody cares" was a lie, why am I the only one responding? Houdini replied to me, because I mentioned him. Pheon replied because a fight seemed to start. The only one replying to ''you'' was me, and only because you kept spamming "hello? Hello? HELLO?".
 
::::If you hadn't kept posting until someone replied, I'd have never replied, so Houdini would've never replied, so Pheon would've never replied. If you hadn't spammed, you would've gotten no reply at all. That is fucking ''reality'', not an attempt to insult you. ''That alone'' should prove that I'm right.
 
::::I have given you my opinion. You are technically right, but it doesn't matter. And I'd bet the fact that it doesn't matter is the reason you weren't getting any replies.
 
::::So excuse me for not getting all touchy feely when the sole reason for my post was to stop you from posting "hello? someone there?" until the end of eternity.
 
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:38, 12 August 2007 (CDT)
 
 
This = Stupid.  Everyone = breathe.  Conversation = over. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:47, 12 August 2007 (CDT)
 
 
==LGPedia: pages==
 
Now that the LGPedia is thriving, perhaps we should have some more LGPedia: namespace policy pages, plus things like LG:CHU (LGPedia:Changing username) and LG:SHORT (LGPedia:Shortcuts). I'm just trying to get some wiki-like content from Wikipedia, so let me know what you think. <span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 11:38, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 
:Hello? <span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 15:32, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 
::I say go ahead. But talk to an admin first.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 15:36, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 
:::I'm going to say something to [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] right now. <span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 09:22, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
==I Finished the Missions Page==
 
I did it today, man that was work. Anywase tell me what you think, and also thanks silverbullet for all your help. If you see something that need changes then go ahead and change it. If you don't see a mission that i missed than put it in there.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 16:08, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
 
==Potential naming problem==
 
I've just noticed that KM-images are named using the same scheme as the LG15 ones; sure, the probability it comes to actual naming conflicts is low, but shouldn't we add an infix for organizational purposes? Otherwise, we'll have stuff like
 
*00XA-blablabla
 
*00XA-blablabla
 
*00XA-blablabla
 
*00XA-blablabla
 
*00XA-blablabla
 
*00XA-blablabla
 
in a few months, and no one will be able to tell which blablabla belongs to KM and which to LG15. I'm thinking of force-suggesting 9999-'''KM'''-Description-Modification.xxx here. Alternatively, '''KM'''9999-Description-Modification.xxx would separate them entirely in file listings. Opinions?
 
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 06:16, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
::ill try to stick to it, you should talk to psmith he uploads a lot of pictures--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 20:18, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
:::Psmith is doing LG15, but Truncatedslinky seems to be the KM equivalent. I'll message him. Good idea, thank you. :)
 
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:48, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
::thats true, he/she i dont know is doing a lot of pictures and this would help out a lot for orginization
 
::good idea--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 21:03, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
:::Cool, that's fine, I just didn't know you guys wanted to do that.  I can rename the pictures and upload them again if absolutely necessary.  I don't always upload a ton of pictures, but there were basically none on the KateModern site and it definitely needed some.  Oh, and by the way, I'm a girl.  --[[User:Truncatedslinky|truncatedslinky]]  22:42, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
::::Damnit! 50/50 chance...I chose "him" because of the Daniel/Jonas hook up support userbox (guessed you were a gay male). Sorry for the misinterpretation.
 
::::Anyway, I don't think re-uploading will be necessary, as long as we start doing that from now on.
 
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:40, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
 
::::::Amended image naming convention for KM sounds good. Let me know what you decide and I can change the [[MediaWiki:Uploadtext]] to reflect it. I prefer having KM at the very beginning (e.g. '''KM0006-KateHoldingASandwich.jpg''' to replace "0006-YummyPiggies.jpg"). We probably also need 2 new image categories ("LG show images" and "KM show images") but that would require a lot of tedious categorizing (maybe a job for [[LGBot]]?) Your opinions on this would be appreciated. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:42, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
 
::::::P.S. I haven't got involved in KM images yet as I haven't watched any of the shows. Are they any good? [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:42, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
 
::::Eh . . . it's got potential, IMO.  But frankly, I've been more concentrated for the LG Season Finale, so don't take my criticism too strongly. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:47, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
:::::I'm with you on that, Pheon. I'll hold out on it for a while longer because I think the Creators deserve that much. Anyway, if you guys need something done with the LGBot, just let me know. I am still here reading things; I just don't have the time to get into very much editing.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:26, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
Personally I like, and have been using 9999-KM-Description.jpg.  I think we should definately make a decision soon though, before too many images get added.  Please, everyone, post! :P --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:42, 19 August 2007 (CDT)
 
:If the KM is at the beginning it is easier to sort through a whole bunch of files ordered alphabetically (i.e. the LG and KM files separate out as Renegade mentioned). This probably only affects me because I have so many images on my laptop from which I upload on to LGPedia. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:37, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
 
:P.S. Is there an easy way to tag images with the show name and episode number without embedding in the name or is the only way to tediously categorize every image with "Images of Episode 9999" and "Images of Show XX"? Could LGBot categorize by looking at the file name? I'm thinking it would be nice to have a page that works like [[:Category:Lonelygirl15 videos by length]] called something like "Category:Images_by_episode". Anyone know how to do this? If not, don't worry... not important. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:37, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
 
 
::That's fair, I see your point.  Is there a way to update image names online.. or would someone have to reupload all of them using the new name.  Er, would anyone want to volunteer for that? XD haha. And yes, I agree, that would be an AWESEOME page to have.  I think we'll have to ask Jonpro if the bot would make this possible though.... Jon?  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:58, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
 
 
:::The last time we started an image naming convention we just decided to leave current images as they were and start being strict from then on. However, I might go back and redo some image names if I have time (yes it will require reuploading and deleting the old one). Do you want to update [[MediaWiki:Uploadtext]] or shall I? [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 11:10, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
 
 
Oh you can go ahead and do it, if you dont mind.  You're good at explaining these sorts of things.  So any KM images will start with KM.. but leave the LG ones as they are, right?  Sounds good.. I'll let you update the mediawiki page though (and I'll remove this from active discussions, since this seems to be resolved, yay).
 
 
==Portals==
 
I know this is going to sound really bad coming from be but, should the [[missions]] page be on Portal:Lonelygirl15 and Portal:KateModern because the page is a big part for both series. If it need some touching up before it is put on there thats ok, but what do you guys think.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:26, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
 
: I do think its got potential, but in its preliminary stages I still think it needs some "fine-tuning."  Let's give the page some more time to develop and then we can worry about where it should belong --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:33, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
: Since it's cross-series, it might be positioned better in the "LG15 Universe Central" box on the main page. But before it goes ''that'' public, it needs some visual touch ups. ;)
 
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:44, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
it definately needs touching up thats for sure--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 14:34, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
 
 
== Maddison Atkins ==
 
 
Should the character page change to Maddison and the ARG page move to Maddison Atkins.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 15:23, 12 August 2007 (CDT)
 
:I see no reasoning for that, but it's a good idea as always, Houdini. Thanks for the idea, but I think that the equivalent of Maddison is indeed Maddison Atkins, and that the ARG page should stay at Maddison Avenue. Thanks, though! <span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 16:12, 12 August 2007 (CDT)
 
 
== Relationships ==
 
 
Also should we move relationships to Lonelygirl15 relationships, and add Katemodern relationships, because we already know a few relationships for katemodern such as kate and tariq...charlie and gavin...and kate and scott or is it steve. Anywase if not that then i think we should make relationships as a link for the main page, just like what were doing with missions.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 17:53, 12 August 2007 (CDT)
 
 
==Location pages for KM==
 
About Location pages for KM... we may want to wait a bit before we decide how to do this because at this rate they'll be filming all over London. So we could end up with:
 
*By City - "Images of London."
 
*By Postcode - "Images of EC1", "Images of W1" etc. (London postcodes that UK people will easily understand and can be explained to others - EC1 = East Central 1, W1 = West 1 etc.) Advantage = exact with no discussion required.
 
*By London Area Name - "Images of Spitalfields", "Images of Soho" etc. (these are the names of small areas of London). Advantage = friendly names rather than impersonal postcodes but there are grey areas as it were on deciding where one area starts and another ends.
 
*By Street Name - "Images of Brushfield Street", "Images of Carnaby Street" etc. This could become a problem given the number of streets that will be filmed upon.
 
*All of the above so you can browse images however you like. Disadvantage = lot of work for every image.
 
[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 18:25, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
 
 
:Shoot.  Okay, well I was just going to do the ones you took of Carnaby Street, simply because it was a notable location where a major fan interaction took place.  I figured for the episodes where they were just out and about in London, we could do a "General London area" or whatnot.  I think with the big thing that just happened at Carnaby St, it's worth a location page, IMO.  Er, do you disagree?  Blah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:33, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
 
::Given a lot of the pics are actually Broadwick St. rather than Carnaby St., my first instinct is "Images of Soho". Especially as more videos may be set in and around these streets given how the Bebo offices are located there. Tariq/Gavin will probably be filmed a lot around Spitalfields/EC1 given that's where their office is supposed to be. But then I understand that maybe someone just wants to search on "Carnaby Street" because of how prominent the street name is in all the videos and interaction. So maybe it should just be "Images of the Carnaby Street area" which is more accurate but longwinded. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 19:27, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
 
 
:::Well, as for the categories themselves, I see no reason not to make specific categories and then group them all into <nowiki>[[Category:Images of London]]</nowiki> or something similar.  As far as location pages, I also don't see why we can't have specific pages for notable locations.. and maybe have a "General London area" page... similar to how we have a specific page for [[Topanga Canyon]] but still have one for [[General LA area]].  I think this works nicely... not sure though?  What do you think? :/  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:54, 19 August 2007 (CDT)
 
::::Ah... actually I meant to say "location categories" in the first place and not "location pages" (by which you mean the articles I presume). Woops.
 
::::It would be nice to have both a London category and subcategories for different parts of London. My rather pedantic point about "Carnaby Street" is that maybe "Carnaby Street area" is more accurate given most of the action took place on Broadwick Street. And yes we definitely need a location ''page'' for this. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:48, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
 
:::::Ahh, okay.  I wonder if Jon could do this with the bot so I wouldn't have to.. if not, I don't mind going in and adding "area" to the end of the location.  Sounds good.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:58, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
 
 
== KM Forum Links ==
 
KM episode page forum links are pointing to http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/ instead of http://www.lg15.com/katemodern. I think the template has a switch for lg/km but I'm not sure how to use it. [[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] & [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] created it so if you see this please update one of the KM video pages as an example and we can do the rest. Thanks. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 11:04, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
 
 
:Nice catch, Psmith. It's not the KM video pages that need to be updated, but [[Template:Blog]]. I tried to fix it but failed :(. I'll work on it later if no one has figured it out by then.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 11:55, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
 
 
::Oops :X
 
::My bad, consider it fixed.
 
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:56, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
 
::::Thanks. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 12:25, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
 
 
== Re-Organization Day ==
 
 
Okay, this conversation has been going on for a while, and now I'm starting to agree with it. We need to find a way to separate KateModern and LG15. The answer: change everything from [[Characters]] to KM:Characters and LG:Characters. Sounds easy, right? Wrong-o. There has to be an easier way to do it. There needs to be some idea that we can do and devote a day to changing links and reorganizing the entire LGPedia. I know it sounds like a lot of work, but we gotta do something... fast. The only thing I can suggest thats better is for the tech people at LG15.com to set up another wiki. That'd be the easiest thing to do (and probably most organized) {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 21, '07 - 9:25 PM}}
 
:I'm sorry, I don't really see what you are talking about.  There ARE seperate pages for [[KM Characters|KateModern characters]] and [[Characters|Lonelygirl15 characters]].  Why do we need to reorganize the wiki?  What's wrong with the way it is now?  And yea, we're definitely not getting a new Wiki.  I just... don't understand your argument at all! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:01, 22 September 2007 (CDT)
 
 
::I have no idea ''why'' he wants to do this, but the syntax he uses would mean entirely separate ''namespaces'' for LG and KM. (Which would be a re-linking nightmare, and totally useless.)
 
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 08:03, 22 September 2007 (CDT)
 
:::Thats why we SHOULDN'T do that. But there are a lot of other page crossovers where it contains information from both series, and sometimes gets tangled up. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 22 - 2:03 PM}}
 
::::What pages are you talking about, specifically? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:05, 22 September 2007 (CDT)
 
 
== Need help with title! ==
 
 
There's a new KateModern video named "Hymn of One" but I don't know how to make a page that has the same name as a page that already exists - anybody that can help? -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 11:54, 3 October 2007 (CDT)
 
:I used Hymn of One (video) but if there is a better way, please to let me know? -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 12:42, 3 October 2007 (CDT)
 
::Relax, Theresa, what you did is perfectly fine. :) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:49, 3 October 2007 (CDT)
 
 
== Vandalism ==
 
I was shocked by the amount of vandalism that is talking place on the lgpedia lately. I just went to recent changes and half of them were banning of vandals/spammers. This is becoming a serious problem, as our hardworking members should not have to constantly ban all these IP addresses when their time could be better spent. I'm opening a discussion on the topic as to find a solution. The floor is open. Any ideas/comments? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:45, 22 October 2007 (EST)
 
 
:I'm glad you started the discussion. I'm not really sure what the best solution is this time. Before, when the spamming took the form of external links, we were able to filter those by requiring verification when an external link was added. The only solution I can think of for this problem is to require something similar for every edit that is made. I'm not sure if it'd be possible to restrict that to anonymous users or not, but if so that's a possibility. The obvious downside is that it could become a huge hassle for people trying to edit normally. But maybe there's a creative solution that hasn't occurred to me. Ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:30, 22 October 2007 (CDT)
 
 
::The current external link verification is already annoying. A general captcha for every edit would be death.
 
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:35, 23 October 2007 (CDT)
 
 
: Isn't there a way where only people with a username can edit? I know it might sounds dumb, but I think it could relieve a few headaches. Who is xwestsidex or whatever? I dunno who he is. --[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 03:22, 23 October 2007 (PST)
 
 
::Yes there is - to set that up, we'd either have to protect each page manually (or, ''they''), or we need the FTP access I requested ''months'' ago. But both options would put off casual, unregistered users. You'd be punishing a large majority of users for the deeds of a small, non-community minority of spammers.
 
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:35, 23 October 2007 (CDT)
 
 
:::Requiring a username was brought up a while back, and we decided that it's simply not worth it. As Renegade said, it'd be cutting off a lot of people who would otherwise contribute. When I first started editing, I didn't have a username and I don't think I would have gotten involved if I had had to register right away. Besides, being a place that ''anyone'' can edit is somewhat of a cardinal rules of wikis in general. Oh, and xwestsidex is a vandal from a while ago who pops his pathetic head in every once in a while to cause what he thinks is mischief. Suffice it to say that anything from xwestsidex won't really make sense and can probably be reverted.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 11:36, 23 October 2007 (CDT)
 
 
:But it's so annoying having to go around stopping the spam. I just spent a good part of my morning chasing around some spammers. I feel like ''I'' spammed the recent changes page. Lol, if you go look there, there's a whole page of just my edits. It's quite embarassing. I know it would cut a whole bunch of ppl out of the loop, but I kinda wish the username verification system was in place. I'm so selfish. --[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 04:16, 25 October 2007 (PST)
 
 
I don't usually make comments on pages like this, but I thought I'd point a few things out.<br />
 
-In the last day, there have been 68 edits by anonymous users. 55 of those edits were made by IPs currently banned for being a vandal.<br />
 
-5 of those remaining 13 were reverted.<br />
 
<br />
 
As far as edits go that actually "improved" this wiki...<br />
 
-2 were people reverting poor edits (one was me!). <br />
 
-There was an edit that corrected who posted clues to Emma's code.<br />
 
-One changed a period to a question mark.<br />
 
-Three edits were right after each other, and probably could've just been one.<br />
 
-There was an edit to theories about Purple Monkey, which is a funny section.<br />
 
 
--[[User:Ricket|Ricket]] 16:38, 25 October 2007 (CDT)
 
 
:Ricket makes a good point. Surely Registering for an account can't be that big of a deal? I see a lot more benefits than, er, non-benefits, from requiring a username to make edits. From what I've seen, of the dozens of spammers/vandals banned, only one or two were registered users. But seeing as so many people are against it, maybe we could require some question to be answered? (I don't mean 1+4=?, I mean Basic things that anyone who has ever seen the show would know: "The 'p' in "P. Monkey" stands for..." "The lonelygirl15 is _____'s account", stuff like that? EDIT: Questions are for unregistered users, of course.--[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:09, 30 October 2007 (EST)
 
 
::Erm, no. Maybe ''that'' would be a hassle. I mean, ''that'' will discourage even more users from editing. (Laziness factor) I've been up until 5 in the morning on LG15 ('cause I have no life) and about more than 90% of the vandalisms that occur during that time is from non-registered people. I've only seen one registered user vandalize and one non-registered person actually contribute to the LGPedia. I do understand that we are trying to include everyone, and that that's what a wiki is all about, but you gotta decide which is th lesser evil: Cutting out non-registered people out and prevent vandalism, or allow everyone to participate even if that includes vandalism. I doubt that this xwestsidex fellow isn't gonna stop any time soon. And who knows? Maybe other people who aren't xwestsidex will vandalize under that alias, just for the fun of vandalizing. Then the problem will ''never'' go away. I don't think, in my opinion, it's worth it. It'll just make the LG15 experience more enjoyable and less of a chore to edit. --[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 11:57, 30 October 2007 (PST)
 
:::We should be more worried about the spammers (the ones who put random letters all over pages) than that westside guy,all he does is say 'fish taco' alot. The ones that actually spam the pages are the worst because they are able to work so quickly and we don't block them fast enough. I think the answer is blocking the spammers faster and making more pages have to answer the math questions..thats my thoughts on it. EDIT: We also need to make it to where people who arn't signed in can't change Lucy's Balcony. IP users hardly ever participate in these talks anyway and it would cut down on about half of the spamming. Poor Lucy's Balcony gets it everytime![[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:11, 9 November 2007 (CST)
 
 
::::I actually semi-protected this page a couple of days ago for the very fact that it was getting hit so often. Only registered users should be able to edit it now.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:34, 12 November 2007 (CST)
 
 
man, must i say..that its getting horrible with each passing grade. --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 10:08, 18 November 2007 (CST)
 
 
== KMProduction and Sophie Recap vids deleted?? ==
 
 
Just wondering, why were my KateModern Production and Sophie Recap videos deleted? The pages, I mean. The KateModern Production videos are very much a part of KM and the Sophie Recap videos were posted on the official KateModernLG15 YouTube account, as well as Sophie's own Bebo. And Sophie is just as much official as Nikki B is on LG. So, why were they deleted? <span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 15:40, 30 October 2007 (CDT)
 
 
:Looking at the [[Special:Log/Delete|deletion log]], [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] put "see [[Talk:Portal:KateModern]]" (I added the link) as the reason for the deletion. I looked there and there seems to be part of an explanation for why the videos shouldn't be included in the official list, but I'm not sure why they can't have pages. Back in the [[List of New Girl Candidates|new ceremony girl]] phase, there were a lot of videos that got pages because they were related to the lonelygirl15 story. Unless there's an explanation somewhere that I'm missing, I'm for restoring the video pages. But since Zoey deleted them, I'll wait for her response before I do anything.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 13:45, 31 October 2007 (CDT)
 
 
::I understand Zoey's point but I still think that since the videos were made by the official KM team, they should at least have pages on here. Don't include them in the list, as they're not canon persay, but they still deserve a page.
 
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 15:50, 31 October 2007 (CDT)
 
 
I deleted the KateModern production videos because they are ''not'' official videos by any means, they are just BTS extras for anyone who wants to watch them.  Not to mention, they are heavily edited and would be hard to transcribe.  There's really no purpose to doing so because they don't futher the story in any way.  It's like offering a "script" to the bonus features on a DVD.  That seems silly.  Why not just link to the bonus features and let whomever wants to enjoy them enjoy them?
 
 
About Sophie's videos, I removed them because, they, too, would be hard to transcribe, and are literally just recuts of what already exists in all of the previous transcripts, whereas the lg15 recaps are actual... recaps.  But the big deciding factor for me was their lack of placement in the official list of Katemodern videos on the Bebo page.
 
 
I know that we created a bajillion pages way back in the day of the "new girls," and I'm on purpose trying to avoid going that route again.  It was chaos trying to keep up, and I was the one who ended up taking the grunt of the work.  For me, it's way more important to focus on videos that are actually important in furthering the two main story than "extras" that are unnecessary and can be understood by watching the other videos or reading the other transcripts.  If someone wants to ''personally'' take responsibilty for the maintenance of the pages, and not just create them and never transcribe them... or start out working on them and then give up (meaning this would be something you'd have to keep up long term, because I do not personally see the point of doing any more than just linking to the pages and will therefore not be responsible for their upkeep), then fine, I will undelete them.  But if they are just going to sit there as halfway completed pages, there is no reason for them to be created as pages on here.  They aren't official, they don't further the stories, and they can, and most likely ''will'' end up just cluttering the LGPedia if people don't actively take responsiblity for them.  So yes, that was my logic, at least. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:36, 31 October 2007 (CDT)
 
 
:'''PS''' I thought I should note, the recap videos haven't been ''totally'' removed from the LGPedia by any means.  They are still listed on: [[Sophie]].  And the BTS videos are still listed on [[KateModern]].
 
  
 
== OpAphid mess ==
 
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::::Hmm.  Actually (again, if uploading an extension were possible), the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageLink ImageLink Extension] is a lot better. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:29, 24 November 2007 (CST)
 
::::Hmm.  Actually (again, if uploading an extension were possible), the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageLink ImageLink Extension] is a lot better. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:29, 24 November 2007 (CST)
 
::::Also thought I'd add that we probably shouldn't use [[Template:Imagelink]], as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Usability/Clickable_images Wikipedia is phasing it out] due to many problems it creates. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:44, 24 November 2007 (CST)
 
::::Also thought I'd add that we probably shouldn't use [[Template:Imagelink]], as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Usability/Clickable_images Wikipedia is phasing it out] due to many problems it creates. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:44, 24 November 2007 (CST)
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==Jumper/watchyourjack/whatweird==
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I'm starting a discussion on what type of exposure the [[Jumper]] videos should get. Keep in mind that the watchyourjack videos have a separate storyline from lonelygirl15, but are considered canon. In My Opinion, The Jumper Series should be organized like Redearth88 (but using the lg15 person template and the lg15 and whatweird categories). What does everyone else think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:52, 24 January 2008 (EST)
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:I'm disagree, for a very simple reason: It won't be important. Forget the canon thing for a moment, and view this realistically: It's a ''commercial''. Nothing more. Yes, it has been included in a few canon videos, but the truth is, the moment the advertising contract is over, we'll never hear from Jack again, the Creators won't including "jumping" of any kind, nor will whatweird ever play a role again. On my talk page, you brought Nikki B. as the closest example - but as you yourself noted, Jack is not LG-based. Nikki B. is an important, if minor, influence to the universe. Hell, she even saved the kids' asses in the last season finale. Whereas this advertising campaign has no influence on the plot whats-o-ever. Think about it:
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:*Whatweird.com was mentioned a dozen times, yet it has never played a role in the plot
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:*Jack has been mentioned and shown several times, yet has never played a role in the plot
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:If it was something or someone like Nikki B. or Spencer, that/who leaves a lasting impression on the plot or the community, I'd agree. But the important point is, ''Jack doesn't''. Jack will vanish, and it'll be like he never existed. The sole purpose of his appearances is drawing hits to whatweird and the Jumper ARG. He has nothing to do with LG15. He is basically living [[Product placement#Ice Breakers Sours Gum|Ice Breakers Sours Gum]]. Just like all product placements, he's somewhat noteworthy. But not noteworthy enough to create a whole array of pages for him.
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:'''Jack's story is totally and entirely irrelevant to LG15, and, as such, there is no reason we archive it at LGPedia.''' Now, one might argue that Redearth88's story, for example, is not relevant to the plot either, but a) such thoughts are exactly the reason we're currently doing the [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/Fanfic revamp|fanfic revamp]] (to determine what's notable enough to stay), and b) Redearth is at least lg- and community-based. Jack is neither. Jack has a totally independent universe that only crosses with "ours" because it needs exposure. Nothing more.
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:Give Jack one summary page where everything is explained, with a whatweird section, a jumping section, an episode list with links to youtube, and link to the Cs admitting it's advertisement. And then be done with it. We're LGPedia, not JumperPedia.
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::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:41, 24 January 2008 (CST)
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:I'm agreeing with Ren on this one. The current sections used for the Jumper stuff seem more than sufficient. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 07:48, 29 January 2008 (CST)
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::I just thought I'd add that I don't even think the Jumper page is necessary; it just seems superfluous. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 09:11, 30 January 2008 (CST)
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:::Renegade said: "He is basically living Ice Breakers Sours Gum."  Haha.  It does feel a bit weird to work too much on fan-run pages for advertising, now that the mystery behind jack's connection to lg15 is over.--[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:12, 31 January 2008 (CST)
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::::Okay guys, I think it's about time we reached a conclusion on this thing. I moved all the Jumper-related pages (unless I missed some) into [[:Category:Jumper]]. Here's a rundown of each page:
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::::*[[Whatweird.com]] - I think this page should stay since the site was mentioned in several lg15/km videos and there is also an obvious connection to Jack.
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::::*[[Suzie]] - After scanning this page, it seems to contain a nice narrative of the goings-on at the whatweird site. There might be a better place to put this information, but I don't think that's too big of a concern.
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::::*Jumper ARG Characters - This page seems excessive to me. As has been stated, the purpose of LGPedia is not to chronicle the Jumper stuff to any large extent, so I think this page has to go.
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::::*[[Jumper]] - Okay, right now this page is modeled off of the other ARG pages ([[Redearth88]], [[AphidPedia]]), but that doesn't really work for Jumper. Again, this has been stated, but Jumper is not based off of lg15 (like those two are) and therefore doesn't deserve the same kind of treatment. Also, information about the story is found on other pages. So we should be able to use this page to talk about the crossover between the Jumper story and lonelygirl15. So far this has taken place through Taylor, so information about those videos can be found on this page. Also, if not included elsewhere, other references to Jumper-related things can be here. Basically the point is that we're not chronicling Jumper like we are Redearth88 and OpAphid (or ''did'', I should say) because they aren't the same type of thing.
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::::*[[Jack]] - This page seems pretty good as it is, although we may have to work on where we're going to keep all the aspects of the story somewhat.
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::::Okay, that's what I came up with (with Zoey's help). Feel free to add your opinion about it but as this seems to be pretty close to the general consensus, we'll probably end up doing something like this. Thanks!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:37, 1 February 2008 (CST)
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''I must preface this with an "I'm very tired so forgive me in advance if what I'm about to say doesn't make sense :P"''
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Anyways, I agree with the way Jon laid this out, but I wanted to kind of explain the reasoning behind it. There are three different aspects that make this whole crazyness up - lonelygirl15, the Jumper promo stuff (Jack, Suzie, Whatweird.com), and the lonelygirl15-Jumper integration.
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So to look at these one at a time:
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*'''Lonelygirl15''' - lonelygirl15 is its own show. It has nothing to do with any of the happenings in the Jumper movie or any of what's going on with Jack/Suzie/Whatweird.com. Any mention of it in the series itself should go on the integration page (see below).
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*'''The Jumper Promo Stuff''' (Jack, Suzie, Whatweird.com) - This is something that can be covered, but does NOT need to be covered in depth. The lonelygirl15 people are running a nice story over there, totally seperate from lg15.. .just related to the Jumper stuff. A FEW pages to track the happenings there are fine, which is what we have in pages for Jack, Suzie, and Whatweird.com. We do not need to get too much into it, though, as it is not relevant to anything beyond the promo.
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*'''The Integration''' - Like Jon said, the page that covers the integration (which I actually think should be moved from "Jumper" to "Jumper Integration") should be used to talk about the crossover between the watchyourjack and loneylgirl15 stories. It can mention Taylor and Jack.. and include links to other pages that might provide more information on both of their stories repsectively. It can also include the full list of videos in the Jack-Taylor crossover, if you'd like. There can also be a section where we keep track of when other characters (in either LG15 or KM) have made shoutouts to the whatweird site, etc. I think that would make it a really great page that would keep it much more in line with the kind of information LGPedia should be covering.
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I think the treatment of these pages as Jon and I laid out will best keep with the needs and goals of LGPedia in covering this story. Hopefully this all makes sense.... please let me know if you're confused about any of it.. I'll try to check in on this page when I'm a little less tired :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:49, 2 February 2008 (CST)
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:I think I understand what your saying Zoey (I had posted an earlier comment in this discussion on how I was a bit rash about proposing that Jumper be covered in so much depth, but it seems that the school computer I was using didn't process it). I think you're right. If everyone else agrees, I'll restructure the Jumper/Jumper Integration page in the way you and Jon proposed. (Also, I marked that massive Jumper character page for deletion, that was a mistake on my part. However, I re-created the pre-existing Paladin page I had dirived it from for organizational/informational/it's-info-that-is-difficult-to fully-integrate-in-any-other-article-in-a-way-that-makes-sense purposes.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 12:45, 02 February 2008 (EST)
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::I think the Paladin page should be integrated with the Jack page, or the crossover page. It'll never be more than just a stub anyway, so I see no reason for it to exist. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 13:22, 2 February 2008 (CST)
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::FH14, I think the fact that the paladin info doesn't fit any other page is exactly the point of this whole discussion - it doesn't fit anywhere because this is ''lg''pedia, not jumperpedia.
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::I vote for integration rather than a standalone page as well.
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:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:03, 3 February 2008 (CST)
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:I just redid the Jumper page, to be more of a "how the movie has integrated into the series" page. It's kind of crappy, though, so feel more than free to modify it. The paladin page is going to be merged with the Jack page, since it a) has nothing to do with Whatweird, which is being featured heavily on the redone page, and b) paladins aren't playing that big of a role. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 09:26, 5 February 2008 (CST)
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==Buckshot==
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OK, i created a page on [[Buckshot]].  What level of treatment should he get?  Seriously though, if there are more behind the scenes vids coming out, we probably want to track them some way.  Including the 2007 holiday video.  --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 12:34, 31 January 2008 (CST)
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:I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say that, assuming Zoey allows the page to stay, it should only be mentioned on the [[Yousef Abu-Taleb]] page. I already did that, though I don't know whether I should have put it in the Portrays part of the template... - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 13:04, 31 January 2008 (CST)
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::well, who cares what zoey says!!! :-)  but if the majority is against it, away it will go i guess.  i do feel that we should see what other behind the scenes vids are released before Season 3 debuts, and then figure out a way to cover them all.  The Buckshot page has already been viewed 200 times in a few hours, clearly its in demand! --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:09, 31 January 2008 (CST)
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== Page/Category naming conventions ==
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Maybe this isn't the best time to bring this up, but this has been bugging me a little bit for a while now. When KM joined our ranks here, we ended up with a variety of different variations for KM versions of pages. For example, we have:
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*[[Characters]] / [[KM Characters]]
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*[[LG15 Soundtrack]] / [[KateModern Soundtrack]]
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*[[Notable Details]] / [[KateModern notable details]]
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*[[:Category:LG15 videos]] / [[:Category:KateModern videos]]
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*Category:Behind the scenes / Category:KM Behind the scenes
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*etc.
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Not to mention that some of these also have capitalization inconsistencies and deviations from convention. So my point of this is that I'd like to go through all of these pages and clean them up. First we have to decide what we want the conventions to be. Right now, we seem to have a bias toward LG15 simply because it came first. So there was no reason to name the [[Cameos]] page, for example, "Lonelygirl15 cameos". Now, since we cover both series, I think they should be treated equally. My proposal is to use prefixes of "Lonelygirl15" (not "LG15") for lonelygirl15 pages and "KateModern" (not "KM") for KateModern pages. The same would apply for categories. Capitalization should also be standardized: the first word ''must'' be capitalized, but all others should be lowercase unless they are normally capitalized in a sentence. Using the same examples as above, these would be the new names:
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*'''Lonelygirl15 characters''' / '''KateModern characters'''
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*'''Lonelygirl15 soundtrack''' / '''KateModern soundtrack'''
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*'''Lonelygirl15 notable details''' / '''KateModern notable details'''
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*'''Category:Lonelygirl15 videos''' / '''Category:KateModern videos'''
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*'''Category:Lonelygirl15 behind the scenes''' / '''Category:KateModern behind the scenes'''
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*etc.
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I think it's important to leave redirects in tact for these pages instead of deleting them, not only to keep links here working, but also links from external sites. So, what do people think of this proposal? Any suggestions, alterations, etc? If not, I'll go ahead and start working on this in a few days (presuming I have enough time).--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:32, 16 March 2008 (CDT)
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:Honestly, seeing all that, I vote for just adding LG15:, KM: and Portal: namespaces. Way easier to have separately searchable LG15 and KM namespaces than to always have to type out L - o - n - e - l - y - g - i - r - l - 1 - 5 in front of all important pages. You'd just have LG15:Videos, KM:Videos, and if any new series gets added, you can just add a TS: (Third Series) namespace, and happily add TS:Videos next to them. The Portal namespace could be co-used by Tier 5 UGC, so we'd have Portal:Lonelygirl15, Portal:KateModern, Portal:Redearth88, Portal:MaddisonAtkins and so on.
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:For categories, we should settle for LG15 ... and KM ..., 'cause some pages get automatically put in loads of categories, and an entire "Lonelygirl15" everytime would cause half a dozen of lines just for the categorization area.
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::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 00:05, 17 March 2008 (CDT)
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:::We should keep in mind that LG15 is probably not the best abbreviation for ''lonelygirl15'', as it currently means the entire Breeniverse.  (Remember when Miles [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive4|posted this]]?) If we end up choosing to not use the full spelling of each series in the new official naming convention, we should use "LG" and "KM" under the greater the "LG15." --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 02:37, 17 March 2008 (CDT)
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::If we don't go with Ren's idea of namespaces, I need to emphasize the fact that most of these pages typically ended up just having "KM" tacked willy-nilly onto the front, so you get weird variations of capitalization. ([[Product placement]] makes sense, but why is it [[KM Product placement]], not "KM product placement"?) Ren's idea would eliminate my complaint, but we need to keep this in the back of our minds on any decision we make (I can't TELL you how much that product placement page's naming convention bothers me.)
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::Also, I think LG15 for the namespace is still the best thing to use. I know it technically encompasses both lonelygirl and KM, but we can't make a namespace lg15 because of the naming constraints, and most people are familiar with the acronym applying to lonelygirl. We can even put an explanation on the categorization pages, if you want.
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::I don't know if I like the idea of Portal areas for anything other than the official series, though... - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 06:49, 17 March 2008 (CDT)
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:::Figured I'd add that, for the ''categories'' names, I prefer having Lonelygirl15 and KateModern. I know it's silly, but I think a good percentage of the people would be confused by a usage of "KM", and having them actually spelled out makes figuring out categories easier. Maybe that's just me, though. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 06:54, 17 March 2008 (CDT)
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::::The namespace idea sounds good to me, and I think I prefer "LG" over "LG15" for the lonelygirl15 namespace. Miles did explicitly say that "LG15" meant the entire universe, although it is true that it's often used as an abbreviation for lonelygirl15 (and of course, that's where the abbreviation comes from). However, I think "LG" would be just as recognizable as an abbreviation for lonelygirl15 and wouldn't result in any confusion for people. For the categories, we might as well use the same abbreviations as we use for the portals. Really, KM (around here at least) is recognizable enough as meaning KateModern (I mean, if we're using it for the namespace, I would hope so).--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 00:38, 18 March 2008 (CDT)
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::::I just took care of (hopefully all of) the category naming convention issues, so the only thing that remains is the page naming issues. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 13:15, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
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:::::Okay, having thought about this, I think I'm leaning toward my original suggestion the most. The thing with namespaces is that not everything about the series would be included there, so it's inconsistent. I mean, we wouldn't move [[Charlie]] to '''KM:Charlie''' because that would make things even more difficult. And when you think about it, we're talking about a rather small number of pages here, so having "Lonelygirl15" or "KateModern" in front really wouldn't be that much of a hassle. (And if we wanted to, we could even create redirects for '''LG:Characters''' and the like for easy access.)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:01, 1 April 2008 (CDT)
  
 
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OpAphid mess

Silver recently tried to unify the OpAphid bloglines, and the situation currently is kind of a giant mess. We need a consent on how we're going to treat the series and all connected blogs.

  • Before, we had separate templates and "series" strands for Brother, Tachyon and OpAphid. The only thing crossing over was Miss Me?, which used Template:Blog rather than Template:Aphid. Apart from that, all bloggers were independent from each other, using their own templates.
  • Now, all pre-canon and parallel videos, including Brother's and Tachyon's, use Template:Aphid, up until Miss Me?, which uses Blog, and all following ones use the brand new Template:Redearth88.

I was tasked with deciding whether to revert this change or not. In theory, Silver's system does make more sense. We do not have separate bloglines for Daniel and Jonas either, and neither do we do that in series like Maddison Atkins. However, since this is a rather drastic departure from our previous (year-old) system, which, among other things, means that videos by OpAphid use three different templates by now, I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on this before I go through and revert dozens of videos, when it's actually a logical change.

On the other hand, it's rather unfortunate that Tachyon's vids have the look and feel of OpAphid now, so if we do keep it the way it is, we should go all the way and create a "neutral" theme for the Aphid template, just as we have for other series. (Not to mention that the transformation wasn't 100% pretty, and all videos would need a post-change checkup of the links and variable settings.)

In addition, I just heard that it's, for some reason necessary that the new vids use the RedEarth template, so changing the post-canon vids over is kind of out of question.

Even though I loathe the work, I, personally, vote for a cleaned-up unification, including a new template theme, simply because we're doing it everywhere else as well, and it actually makes sense to have Brother's and Tachyon's videos, which are more or less a back-and-forth in communication, lined up next to each other.

Still, the old system is over a year old, and it's a rather drastic change, so...what's your opinion?

~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 14:29, 5 November 2007 (CST)
It seems like nobody has replied to this for a while, so I thought I'd chime in with my thoughts. After thinking this through, I agree with the cleaned-up unification that Ren proposed.
Since it has been so long, if no one objects in the next day or so, I'd say you can go ahead and go for it :) --Zoey 00:03, 11 January 2008 (CST)
Okay, I changed the template and marked the other three for deletion, but it's been so long, I forgot what I wanted to clean up :/
I checked all pages, and the template was applied correctly, the numbers go through, they're linked correctly and all have bloggers. Lookin' good to me.
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 23:55, 15 January 2008 (CST)

The new favicon

Who the fuck is responsible for the new favicon and how can I punish him?

~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 15:59, 16 November 2007 (CST)
  • sorry to be dense, renegade, but what's a favicon? --Milowent 16:05, 16 November 2007 (CST)
Favorites Icon - the ugly black thing in your browser's title bar/tab row, next to "LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony".
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 21:11, 16 November 2007 (CST)
Ah, i see it now. Thanks. --Milowent 22:10, 16 November 2007 (CST)
It's Ugly....With a capital "U" ... I mean....What were they thinking?! Nasty :( --free2liv4evr 17 Nov 2007 00:08 (PST)
I completely agree. We need to start a protest or something.--Jonpro 14:28, 17 November 2007 (CST)

Image Redirecting

At first, I was willing to put up with it... but now, I am finding image redirecting OUT OF CONTROL. The idea is to use it on pages like Characters or something.. when someone could click the image, because they'd think it would take them to that character's page. We do NOT need to redirect every single image is uploaded.

Redirecting makes everything harder to keep track of... harder to see what images have been categorized and what haven't... harder to read any image descriptions or whatever, etc. Plus, plenty of times images are used in more than one place, and if they redirect to a certain page, it may not take you to the page you want to go to. And.. also, it's a lot harder when trying to snag an image for use on a page if you have to go to the page they redirect to, then unredirect yourself back to the image and snag the URL, and yeah... I could go oooon and onnnn.

Image redirection used to be the exception, not the rule. And ever since that has changed, it has been a nightmare for me. So please, can we please go back to making it the EXCEPTION again? Pretty please? --Zoey 01:36, 17 November 2007 (CST)

I've never really like the idea of image redirecting although I do see it's usefulness. You'd think there would be a way of having an image link to a certain page rather than the image page itself. I'm sure I'm not the first person to bring this up. Has anyone heard if this is possible, or if not, why this functionality hasn't been added?--Jonpro 14:28, 17 November 2007 (CST)
If there is a way to do it, I haven't yet figured it out. We do not, however, have the latest version of MediaWiki, so it's possible the functionality has been added, but that we do not have the ability to use it. I agree, there is a time and a place for image redirecting, but I really believe that redirecting every image that comes up on the pedia is WAY overkill and ultimately does more bad than good. --Zoey 17:55, 17 November 2007 (CST)

}:::There is no such feature in MediaWiki; there would be a more or less convenient way if this installation supported embedding of "external" images, but whoever made the config turned that of. Should we get FTP access to the installation, I could change that, and one could use the image path instead of a descriptive text in normal external link code. (At least theoretically. And practically, I'd probably write a template to do that.)

We do have Template:Imagelink, though, which superimposes a link area over an image.
@jonpro: I assume the reason for the lack of this feature is that the MediaWiki software is developed for Wikipedia, which primarily uses free licenses - these often include an attribution clause, and that attribution wouldn't happen if a click on the image didn't lead to the image page.
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 18:24, 17 November 2007 (CST)
A good way to take care of the problem is to install the ImageMap Extension, assuming we can. All of the templates would need to be updated, but it would be probably be trivial to do so. - Shiori 10:19, 24 November 2007 (CST)
I don't know why I labeled that as a minor edit, but I thought I'd mention that that's the only way (other than the template Renegade mentioned) that I've found to do that without redirects. - Shiori 10:28, 24 November 2007 (CST)
I didn't mention the extension for a simple reason: Even if we could install it (which we can't until we get FTP access), the syntax is hardly something you'd want to impose on a casual user. Simply being able to use the address of an image as the link text would be a lot easier to comprehend. We're talking about
<imagemap>
Image:Foo.jpg|200px|picture of a foo
rect 0 0 199 199   [[Foo type A]]
desc bottom-left
</imagemap>
vs. [page address image address].
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 15:28, 24 November 2007 (CST)
Would that really be that difficult to put into a template, though? For instance, for the character listing just plop this into the code in place of the current image call:
<imagemap>
Image:{{{image}}}|{{{imagewidth|{{ #expr: {{{width|240}}}/2 }}}}}px
rect 0 0 1000 1000   [[{{{charactername}}}]]
desc none
</imagemap>
It was just a suggestion, though. The other stuff would require template changes anyway. The image address being able to be used as the link description would be awesome, but it still doesn't exist... :/ - Shiori 18:19, 24 November 2007 (CST)
Hmm. Actually (again, if uploading an extension were possible), the ImageLink Extension is a lot better. - Shiori 18:29, 24 November 2007 (CST)
Also thought I'd add that we probably shouldn't use Template:Imagelink, as Wikipedia is phasing it out due to many problems it creates. - Shiori 18:44, 24 November 2007 (CST)

Jumper/watchyourjack/whatweird

I'm starting a discussion on what type of exposure the Jumper videos should get. Keep in mind that the watchyourjack videos have a separate storyline from lonelygirl15, but are considered canon. In My Opinion, The Jumper Series should be organized like Redearth88 (but using the lg15 person template and the lg15 and whatweird categories). What does everyone else think? --FH14 11:52, 24 January 2008 (EST)

I'm disagree, for a very simple reason: It won't be important. Forget the canon thing for a moment, and view this realistically: It's a commercial. Nothing more. Yes, it has been included in a few canon videos, but the truth is, the moment the advertising contract is over, we'll never hear from Jack again, the Creators won't including "jumping" of any kind, nor will whatweird ever play a role again. On my talk page, you brought Nikki B. as the closest example - but as you yourself noted, Jack is not LG-based. Nikki B. is an important, if minor, influence to the universe. Hell, she even saved the kids' asses in the last season finale. Whereas this advertising campaign has no influence on the plot whats-o-ever. Think about it:
  • Whatweird.com was mentioned a dozen times, yet it has never played a role in the plot
  • Jack has been mentioned and shown several times, yet has never played a role in the plot
If it was something or someone like Nikki B. or Spencer, that/who leaves a lasting impression on the plot or the community, I'd agree. But the important point is, Jack doesn't. Jack will vanish, and it'll be like he never existed. The sole purpose of his appearances is drawing hits to whatweird and the Jumper ARG. He has nothing to do with LG15. He is basically living Ice Breakers Sours Gum. Just like all product placements, he's somewhat noteworthy. But not noteworthy enough to create a whole array of pages for him.
Jack's story is totally and entirely irrelevant to LG15, and, as such, there is no reason we archive it at LGPedia. Now, one might argue that Redearth88's story, for example, is not relevant to the plot either, but a) such thoughts are exactly the reason we're currently doing the fanfic revamp (to determine what's notable enough to stay), and b) Redearth is at least lg- and community-based. Jack is neither. Jack has a totally independent universe that only crosses with "ours" because it needs exposure. Nothing more.
Give Jack one summary page where everything is explained, with a whatweird section, a jumping section, an episode list with links to youtube, and link to the Cs admitting it's advertisement. And then be done with it. We're LGPedia, not JumperPedia.
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 11:41, 24 January 2008 (CST)
I'm agreeing with Ren on this one. The current sections used for the Jumper stuff seem more than sufficient. - Shiori 07:48, 29 January 2008 (CST)
I just thought I'd add that I don't even think the Jumper page is necessary; it just seems superfluous. - Shiori 09:11, 30 January 2008 (CST)
Renegade said: "He is basically living Ice Breakers Sours Gum." Haha. It does feel a bit weird to work too much on fan-run pages for advertising, now that the mystery behind jack's connection to lg15 is over.--Milowent 16:12, 31 January 2008 (CST)
Okay guys, I think it's about time we reached a conclusion on this thing. I moved all the Jumper-related pages (unless I missed some) into Category:Jumper. Here's a rundown of each page:
  • Whatweird.com - I think this page should stay since the site was mentioned in several lg15/km videos and there is also an obvious connection to Jack.
  • Suzie - After scanning this page, it seems to contain a nice narrative of the goings-on at the whatweird site. There might be a better place to put this information, but I don't think that's too big of a concern.
  • Jumper ARG Characters - This page seems excessive to me. As has been stated, the purpose of LGPedia is not to chronicle the Jumper stuff to any large extent, so I think this page has to go.
  • Jumper - Okay, right now this page is modeled off of the other ARG pages (Redearth88, AphidPedia), but that doesn't really work for Jumper. Again, this has been stated, but Jumper is not based off of lg15 (like those two are) and therefore doesn't deserve the same kind of treatment. Also, information about the story is found on other pages. So we should be able to use this page to talk about the crossover between the Jumper story and lonelygirl15. So far this has taken place through Taylor, so information about those videos can be found on this page. Also, if not included elsewhere, other references to Jumper-related things can be here. Basically the point is that we're not chronicling Jumper like we are Redearth88 and OpAphid (or did, I should say) because they aren't the same type of thing.
  • Jack - This page seems pretty good as it is, although we may have to work on where we're going to keep all the aspects of the story somewhat.
Okay, that's what I came up with (with Zoey's help). Feel free to add your opinion about it but as this seems to be pretty close to the general consensus, we'll probably end up doing something like this. Thanks!--Jonpro 22:37, 1 February 2008 (CST)

I must preface this with an "I'm very tired so forgive me in advance if what I'm about to say doesn't make sense :P"

Anyways, I agree with the way Jon laid this out, but I wanted to kind of explain the reasoning behind it. There are three different aspects that make this whole crazyness up - lonelygirl15, the Jumper promo stuff (Jack, Suzie, Whatweird.com), and the lonelygirl15-Jumper integration.

So to look at these one at a time:

  • Lonelygirl15 - lonelygirl15 is its own show. It has nothing to do with any of the happenings in the Jumper movie or any of what's going on with Jack/Suzie/Whatweird.com. Any mention of it in the series itself should go on the integration page (see below).
  • The Jumper Promo Stuff (Jack, Suzie, Whatweird.com) - This is something that can be covered, but does NOT need to be covered in depth. The lonelygirl15 people are running a nice story over there, totally seperate from lg15.. .just related to the Jumper stuff. A FEW pages to track the happenings there are fine, which is what we have in pages for Jack, Suzie, and Whatweird.com. We do not need to get too much into it, though, as it is not relevant to anything beyond the promo.
  • The Integration - Like Jon said, the page that covers the integration (which I actually think should be moved from "Jumper" to "Jumper Integration") should be used to talk about the crossover between the watchyourjack and loneylgirl15 stories. It can mention Taylor and Jack.. and include links to other pages that might provide more information on both of their stories repsectively. It can also include the full list of videos in the Jack-Taylor crossover, if you'd like. There can also be a section where we keep track of when other characters (in either LG15 or KM) have made shoutouts to the whatweird site, etc. I think that would make it a really great page that would keep it much more in line with the kind of information LGPedia should be covering.

I think the treatment of these pages as Jon and I laid out will best keep with the needs and goals of LGPedia in covering this story. Hopefully this all makes sense.... please let me know if you're confused about any of it.. I'll try to check in on this page when I'm a little less tired :) --Zoey 00:49, 2 February 2008 (CST)

I think I understand what your saying Zoey (I had posted an earlier comment in this discussion on how I was a bit rash about proposing that Jumper be covered in so much depth, but it seems that the school computer I was using didn't process it). I think you're right. If everyone else agrees, I'll restructure the Jumper/Jumper Integration page in the way you and Jon proposed. (Also, I marked that massive Jumper character page for deletion, that was a mistake on my part. However, I re-created the pre-existing Paladin page I had dirived it from for organizational/informational/it's-info-that-is-difficult-to fully-integrate-in-any-other-article-in-a-way-that-makes-sense purposes.) --FH14 12:45, 02 February 2008 (EST)
I think the Paladin page should be integrated with the Jack page, or the crossover page. It'll never be more than just a stub anyway, so I see no reason for it to exist. - Shiori 13:22, 2 February 2008 (CST)
FH14, I think the fact that the paladin info doesn't fit any other page is exactly the point of this whole discussion - it doesn't fit anywhere because this is lgpedia, not jumperpedia.
I vote for integration rather than a standalone page as well.
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 03:03, 3 February 2008 (CST)
I just redid the Jumper page, to be more of a "how the movie has integrated into the series" page. It's kind of crappy, though, so feel more than free to modify it. The paladin page is going to be merged with the Jack page, since it a) has nothing to do with Whatweird, which is being featured heavily on the redone page, and b) paladins aren't playing that big of a role. - Shiori 09:26, 5 February 2008 (CST)

Buckshot

OK, i created a page on Buckshot. What level of treatment should he get? Seriously though, if there are more behind the scenes vids coming out, we probably want to track them some way. Including the 2007 holiday video. --Milowent 12:34, 31 January 2008 (CST)

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say that, assuming Zoey allows the page to stay, it should only be mentioned on the Yousef Abu-Taleb page. I already did that, though I don't know whether I should have put it in the Portrays part of the template... - Shiori 13:04, 31 January 2008 (CST)
well, who cares what zoey says!!! :-) but if the majority is against it, away it will go i guess. i do feel that we should see what other behind the scenes vids are released before Season 3 debuts, and then figure out a way to cover them all. The Buckshot page has already been viewed 200 times in a few hours, clearly its in demand! --Milowent 16:09, 31 January 2008 (CST)

Page/Category naming conventions

Maybe this isn't the best time to bring this up, but this has been bugging me a little bit for a while now. When KM joined our ranks here, we ended up with a variety of different variations for KM versions of pages. For example, we have:

Not to mention that some of these also have capitalization inconsistencies and deviations from convention. So my point of this is that I'd like to go through all of these pages and clean them up. First we have to decide what we want the conventions to be. Right now, we seem to have a bias toward LG15 simply because it came first. So there was no reason to name the Cameos page, for example, "Lonelygirl15 cameos". Now, since we cover both series, I think they should be treated equally. My proposal is to use prefixes of "Lonelygirl15" (not "LG15") for lonelygirl15 pages and "KateModern" (not "KM") for KateModern pages. The same would apply for categories. Capitalization should also be standardized: the first word must be capitalized, but all others should be lowercase unless they are normally capitalized in a sentence. Using the same examples as above, these would be the new names:

  • Lonelygirl15 characters / KateModern characters
  • Lonelygirl15 soundtrack / KateModern soundtrack
  • Lonelygirl15 notable details / KateModern notable details
  • Category:Lonelygirl15 videos / Category:KateModern videos
  • Category:Lonelygirl15 behind the scenes / Category:KateModern behind the scenes
  • etc.

I think it's important to leave redirects in tact for these pages instead of deleting them, not only to keep links here working, but also links from external sites. So, what do people think of this proposal? Any suggestions, alterations, etc? If not, I'll go ahead and start working on this in a few days (presuming I have enough time).--Jonpro 18:32, 16 March 2008 (CDT)

Honestly, seeing all that, I vote for just adding LG15:, KM: and Portal: namespaces. Way easier to have separately searchable LG15 and KM namespaces than to always have to type out L - o - n - e - l - y - g - i - r - l - 1 - 5 in front of all important pages. You'd just have LG15:Videos, KM:Videos, and if any new series gets added, you can just add a TS: (Third Series) namespace, and happily add TS:Videos next to them. The Portal namespace could be co-used by Tier 5 UGC, so we'd have Portal:Lonelygirl15, Portal:KateModern, Portal:Redearth88, Portal:MaddisonAtkins and so on.
For categories, we should settle for LG15 ... and KM ..., 'cause some pages get automatically put in loads of categories, and an entire "Lonelygirl15" everytime would cause half a dozen of lines just for the categorization area.
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 00:05, 17 March 2008 (CDT)
We should keep in mind that LG15 is probably not the best abbreviation for lonelygirl15, as it currently means the entire Breeniverse. (Remember when Miles posted this?) If we end up choosing to not use the full spelling of each series in the new official naming convention, we should use "LG" and "KM" under the greater the "LG15." --Pheon 02:37, 17 March 2008 (CDT)
If we don't go with Ren's idea of namespaces, I need to emphasize the fact that most of these pages typically ended up just having "KM" tacked willy-nilly onto the front, so you get weird variations of capitalization. (Product placement makes sense, but why is it KM Product placement, not "KM product placement"?) Ren's idea would eliminate my complaint, but we need to keep this in the back of our minds on any decision we make (I can't TELL you how much that product placement page's naming convention bothers me.)
Also, I think LG15 for the namespace is still the best thing to use. I know it technically encompasses both lonelygirl and KM, but we can't make a namespace lg15 because of the naming constraints, and most people are familiar with the acronym applying to lonelygirl. We can even put an explanation on the categorization pages, if you want.
I don't know if I like the idea of Portal areas for anything other than the official series, though... - Shiori 06:49, 17 March 2008 (CDT)
Figured I'd add that, for the categories names, I prefer having Lonelygirl15 and KateModern. I know it's silly, but I think a good percentage of the people would be confused by a usage of "KM", and having them actually spelled out makes figuring out categories easier. Maybe that's just me, though. - Shiori 06:54, 17 March 2008 (CDT)
The namespace idea sounds good to me, and I think I prefer "LG" over "LG15" for the lonelygirl15 namespace. Miles did explicitly say that "LG15" meant the entire universe, although it is true that it's often used as an abbreviation for lonelygirl15 (and of course, that's where the abbreviation comes from). However, I think "LG" would be just as recognizable as an abbreviation for lonelygirl15 and wouldn't result in any confusion for people. For the categories, we might as well use the same abbreviations as we use for the portals. Really, KM (around here at least) is recognizable enough as meaning KateModern (I mean, if we're using it for the namespace, I would hope so).--Jonpro 00:38, 18 March 2008 (CDT)
I just took care of (hopefully all of) the category naming convention issues, so the only thing that remains is the page naming issues. - Shiori 13:15, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
Okay, having thought about this, I think I'm leaning toward my original suggestion the most. The thing with namespaces is that not everything about the series would be included there, so it's inconsistent. I mean, we wouldn't move Charlie to KM:Charlie because that would make things even more difficult. And when you think about it, we're talking about a rather small number of pages here, so having "Lonelygirl15" or "KateModern" in front really wouldn't be that much of a hassle. (And if we wanted to, we could even create redirects for LG:Characters and the like for easy access.)--Jonpro 15:01, 1 April 2008 (CDT)
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