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**Fans have long been speculating that [[Gemma]] speaks to [[Bree]] in [[Double talk | code]].
 
**Fans have long been speculating that [[Gemma]] speaks to [[Bree]] in [[Double talk | code]].
 
**[[Gemma]] may have placed it there, wilted and bent, to send an important message to [[Bree]].
 
**[[Gemma]] may have placed it there, wilted and bent, to send an important message to [[Bree]].
**Perhaps [[Gemma]] is saying that she is under [[the Order | the Order's]] surveillance, or that [[the Order]] is making her tell [[Bree]] to go home, or warning [[Bree]] not to trust her either because she's being manipulated by [[the Order]].  This might make sense since [[Gemma]] said she had seen a [[Watcher]] in her video [[Scared To Go Home]], but since later retracted that claim, saying that she had just been feeling paranoid.  [[the Order]] could have also made her deny that she had been followed.
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**Perhaps [[Gemma]] is saying that she is under [[the Order | the Order's]] surveillance, or that [[the Order]] is making her tell [[Bree]] to go home, or warning Bree not to trust her either because she's being manipulated by [[the Order]].  This might make sense since [[Gemma]] said she had seen a [[Watcher]] in her video [[Scared To Go Home]], but since later retracted that claim, saying that she had just been feeling paranoid.  [[the Order]] could have also made her deny that she had been followed.
 
**The rose could simply symbolic of her state of mind.
 
**The rose could simply symbolic of her state of mind.
  

Revision as of 20:34, 4 April 2007

The wilted rose in Gemma's flat could mean any of a number of things...

Introduction

In Gemma's video Bad Decisions a wilting rose is prominently displayed on her right hand side. This rose is a subject of debate in the boards and fans have proposed many possible explanations, ranging from superficial to literary, from plausible to highly speculative. One user pointed out that when roses wilt, they do not bend over like other flowers do, so this one was intentionally bent - though it could have been accidentally bent by some carelessness. One theory is that it was placed like that to draw viewers' attention to the rose and its sad state. (Comment is available here].).

The meaning of the rose will likely never be directly explained, but as the story progresses perhaps fans will better ascertain the reason why it appears it in this video.

Suggested explanations

NOTE: After Bad Decisions, a series of Tachyon videos (beginning with Gemma? [Part I]) exposed her as an OpAphid agent. The suggested explanations shown below were offered before this revelation took place. In light of recent findings, certain interpretations may no longer appear as relevant as they once were.

  • Gemma's date -- The rose was given to Gemma by this boy on the first or second dates. The relationship went awry and the rose died.
  • Guilt
    • The rose dying symbolizes Gemma's guilt. Throughout the video, in the edited out parts, Gemma could have been touching the rose, hence the rose becoming damaged and bent.
    • Gemma could feel guilty for instructing Bree to go home if she knew that her advice was malicious.
    • Although at first glance, it seems like Gemma only made the video Bad Decisions to strike at Bree and Daniel for their "bad decisions", she might actually be trying to communicate her guilt to them because it is she who has made some "bad decisions". (See the A message interpretation below).
  • Distrust
    • The wilted rose not only represents Gemma's lost trust in this boy, but also her lack of trust in Jonas. So important is her distrust of him that the rose is placed there to emphasize it. This ties in with the Bad Decisions theme of "people are not always who they seem".
    • It represents Bree's trust in Gemma. Perhaps at first she thought Gemma could be trusted, but something happened to alert her that she should not follow Gemma's advice. This would explain why Bree no longer acknowledges Gemma's videos, yet frequently refers to Jonas and wants to trust him. This would also tie in with the theme of "people are not always who they seem".
  • The rose symbolizes the Order, and its wilting represents corruption
    • At the center of the unicursal hexagram lies a rose. This symbol has been linked to Bree's religion and the Order.
    • The symbol of the rosy cross, which has a rose at its center, plays a substantial role within the system of Thelema as developed by Aleister Crowley. In a cosmological context, the rose is Nuit, the goddess of the night sky from Egyptian mythology.
    • The rose's wilting could then represent that Gemma has been corrupted by the Order.
  • Bree
    • The rose represents Bree (played by Jessica Rose). It is a single (lonely) rose.
    • Its wilting represents Bree's downfall, her lost innocence, and/or lost faith in the people close to her. It had not fully bloomed and already it is wilted because it was cut off from the bush (Bree's family).
  • Love
  • Time
    • The rose visibly wilts during the video, particularly between jump cuts. It is nearly shriveled up and broken by the end of the approximately 3-minute video.
    • The rapid wilting could mean that time is running out: perhaps the date of the ceremony is approaching, or the Order plans to apprehend Bree and Daniel soon, or there is little time left to rescue Bree's parents.
  • A messsage
    • Fans have long been speculating that Gemma speaks to Bree in code.
    • Gemma may have placed it there, wilted and bent, to send an important message to Bree.
    • Perhaps Gemma is saying that she is under the Order's surveillance, or that the Order is making her tell Bree to go home, or warning Bree not to trust her either because she's being manipulated by the Order. This might make sense since Gemma said she had seen a Watcher in her video Scared To Go Home, but since later retracted that claim, saying that she had just been feeling paranoid. the Order could have also made her deny that she had been followed.
    • The rose could simply symbolic of her state of mind.

Other roses in lonelygirl15

Bree's bedroom has a framed picture of a rose on the wall. Since Aleister Crowley is credited with adding a rose to the center of the unicursal hexagram, it's possible that picture is another reference to Crowley. However, the Wired article titled "The Secret World of Lonelygirl" alleges that Beckett "got it at a 99-cent store because it was cheap and looked like something a teenage girl would buy." There is a faint pink-quotation printed beneath the flower that reads “It is by believing in roses that one brings them to bloom.”
In Breakfast In Bed, Daniel comes back from the grocery store with breakfast for Bree and some white flowers. Many viewers thought they were roses, but upon closer inspection it seems like he just picked some gardenias on the way back from the store.