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::*i see the connection but if you want to make a note that says "gina, like bree, likes to slip into her native accent for comedic effect" ...then i guess you can. but that is a much different note. | ::*i see the connection but if you want to make a note that says "gina, like bree, likes to slip into her native accent for comedic effect" ...then i guess you can. but that is a much different note. | ||
::*what is this about personally moving comments? and who is the ''we'' that will drop my name? is renegade a committee or are you taking the initiative to voice the opinion of a group of people? - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]] | ::*what is this about personally moving comments? and who is the ''we'' that will drop my name? is renegade a committee or are you taking the initiative to voice the opinion of a group of people? - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]] | ||
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| + | ::::First of all, the comments of individual forum members can indeed be noteworthy, Jo's spanish translation is proof of that. In this case, however, it's not a question of singular posts in one medium, but of general perception within the community. A subjective average, if you will. | ||
| + | ::::Your proposed note is a) factually unproven, and b) besides the point. It's about the fact that she's Bree's sister, shows similar behavior, but is yet not quite her - kinda like New Zealand and Australia are pretty close, but still different things. And don't give me crap about the factual accuracy of New Zealand close to Australia, it's a question of world-wide stereotype, not scientific facts. No matter how much the Kiwis may hate it, a large majority of people outside of New Zealand and Australia see practically no difference between them. That's what makes it funny. That's what makes it subtle. In public perception, both Gina and Bree and Australia and New Zealand are pretty fucking close, and yet, they are entirely different things. Like sisters. (And I do find it frightening that I actually have to explain this to you at length.) | ||
| + | ::::As for your last question, ''we'' are all those who will get additional work, annoyane and crap should your deliberate destruction of the factual accuracy (as a removal of Native American would be) lead to trouble with the Administration or the Creators. Because should you fuck around with the note in such a way, people will complain to the Administration and the Administration will complain to us, not to you. In addition, we're the ones who'd have to protect your wrong note from the people who'd like to fix it (i.e. everyone else in the community). | ||
| + | ::::I, personally, am me - what that means, is a different question. | ||
| + | :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 01:39, 18 March 2008 (CDT) | ||
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Australia & New Zealand
Okay, before another vet comes in an blows up irratated that this note has been blanked once more, let me just say that yes WE ALL KNOW that Australia and New Zealand are COMPLETELY different. Shoot, you don't even call a native of New Zealand a "New Zealander" like you would an Australian from Australia -- you would refer to them as a "Kiwi." Even I know that. The note is significant and FUNNY because hey, if Gina IS Bree's sister, you'd almost expect her (at least from the Creators' mind) to have a Kiwi accent, almost in a way to remind us that yes, she IS Bree's sister and we're here to remind you of that! But nope: Instead we have Gina speak in an Australian accent -- which, IMHO was totally funny and (I would even argue) ironic. The note was NEVER seen (in my eye) as comparing the two cultures together. It'd be like comparing Canada to the United States, or Italy to Spain. (sigh) well, that's my rant for the month. :) --Pheon 14:58, 16 March 2008 (CDT)
- For the love of god, the next person who blanks the comment is getting banned for a week, I'm not even kidding. As Pheon said, WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND. This does not mean you can randomly blank the notes section. There is a reason this one exists! (You can add to it, or clarify if you want; I don't care about that.) - Shiori 18:51, 16 March 2008 (CDT)
- If you know the difference between Australia and New Zealand, then why do you continue to act as though they're the same? How is Gina's Australian impression a reference to Jessica Rose if Jessica isn't from Australia?
- Like we said, we're NOT. We are simply pointing out that it's funny that with all the the recent connections to Bree in the storyline, the Creators decided to give us a little surprise twist and have Crystal perform with an Australian accent. That's all there is to it. :) --Pheon 13:29, 17 March 2008 (CDT)
And Gina shouldn't have a Kiwi accent (unless she lived there as well), since she and Bree were raised different and in different places. --72.241.128.34 16:54, 17 March 2008 (CDT)
What is wrong with note number two
Many have commented on Gina's accent sounding odd - There are two things wrong with this part. First, the attributing subject (many) is ambiguous. How many is many? Who are these people? Why do we care? Second, the wording is clunky and awkward.
which is amusing - is it amusing? who says it is amusing? i don't need to explain why this part is wrong, do i?
Crystal Young is of Native American and Australian descent - her native american heritage has nothing to do with this video.
In addition to this, the actress who played Bree, Jessica Rose,hails from New Zealand, which is located near Australia. - bree has nothing to do with this video. also, there is no reason to point out that new zealand is near australia.
in the past, i have always been a fan of analysis and many of my notes have been removed and i have been equally upset. at some point, i have had to learn to drop it.
i have not cleared the note because Renegade has threatened to ban my IP from the wiki. however, i stand by my reasoning. this note is not noteworthy because it provides basic analysis into user commentary.
- platy march 17
- It may be ambiguous, but what's your proposal? Go through all comments and forum threads and make a "List of people that commented on Gina's accent"?
- Same basic reply - do you want us to make a list or what? Humor is subjective. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there. Plus, even if the statement "it's amusing" were incorrect, that'd still not be a reason to remove the entire note.
- Proposed change? "Crystal Young is of Australian descent"? Feel free to change it, but I'll personally move every comment how incorrect that is to your talk page. Not to mention, should Crystal or the crew complain, we'll be sure to drop your name.
- If you don't see the relation between Bree occasionally slipping into a New Zealandian accent, and Bree's sister doing an Australian accent, then I guess it's clear why you just don't get that note.
- obviously i don't expect you to cite every forum member. further, i would argue that the comments of forum members are not note wrothy. subjectivity is the issue and my proposed solution is to not make note of it. above all, it is nothing more than an analysis of fan commentary.
- i see the connection but if you want to make a note that says "gina, like bree, likes to slip into her native accent for comedic effect" ...then i guess you can. but that is a much different note.
- what is this about personally moving comments? and who is the we that will drop my name? is renegade a committee or are you taking the initiative to voice the opinion of a group of people? - platy
- First of all, the comments of individual forum members can indeed be noteworthy, Jo's spanish translation is proof of that. In this case, however, it's not a question of singular posts in one medium, but of general perception within the community. A subjective average, if you will.
- Your proposed note is a) factually unproven, and b) besides the point. It's about the fact that she's Bree's sister, shows similar behavior, but is yet not quite her - kinda like New Zealand and Australia are pretty close, but still different things. And don't give me crap about the factual accuracy of New Zealand close to Australia, it's a question of world-wide stereotype, not scientific facts. No matter how much the Kiwis may hate it, a large majority of people outside of New Zealand and Australia see practically no difference between them. That's what makes it funny. That's what makes it subtle. In public perception, both Gina and Bree and Australia and New Zealand are pretty fucking close, and yet, they are entirely different things. Like sisters. (And I do find it frightening that I actually have to explain this to you at length.)
- As for your last question, we are all those who will get additional work, annoyane and crap should your deliberate destruction of the factual accuracy (as a removal of Native American would be) lead to trouble with the Administration or the Creators. Because should you fuck around with the note in such a way, people will complain to the Administration and the Administration will complain to us, not to you. In addition, we're the ones who'd have to protect your wrong note from the people who'd like to fix it (i.e. everyone else in the community).
- I, personally, am me - what that means, is a different question.
