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Paul Monkuppet Casual Observer

Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 30 Location: wherever my work takes me
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:43 am Post subject: Gemma's first video |
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I was going back and watching some older videos and I came across Gemma's first video "It's not your decision". And with the resent reveal of her in the states and with Lucy I played close attention to the video.
Now the name alone is suspect, and although she talks about a boy named Sam and at the end says its Brees decision, I still think she’s not on the level at all. The way she talks about the order is so matter of factly and some of the things she says just lead me to believe that she was in with the order all along. She was never in London.
From this video I think she was never forced by the order to do anything. She’s been working for them all along. _________________ "What in the holy purple simian hell would poses you to think it would be a good idea for you to trade insults with me" |
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DavetheAvatar Casual Observer

Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 74 Location: Right here.
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Just for the record, Gemma's first video was "Nut kills man" not "It's not your decision". _________________ Ah forget it... |
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CaptainAwesome Casual Observer
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:21 am Post subject: |
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DavetheAvatar wrote: | Just for the record, Gemma's first video was "Nut kills man" not "It's not your decision". |
thanks for clearing that up- whew 
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yoruba Lonely Fan

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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: |
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It's Not Your Decision
..It's not your decision to make..
..It's YOUR decision!..
I had to. _________________ i love lettuce |
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milowent Devoted Fan

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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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ok, to play devil's advocate: at 1st it does seem odd that gemma would lie about being in london if she wasn't tied up with the order from the beginning, but what if she was trying to hide her actual location from the order? but then, the order found her anyway (because they are EVERYWHERE) and then co-erced her to keep posting videos and still claim to be in London.
if gemma was in with the order from the beginning, she should have just said that the ceremony was really cool, no big deal, just that daniel was being nosey and disrespectful of the religion. why start mentioning families disappearing if she was on the order's side? _________________ “Can't repeat the past? Why of course you can!” |
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PushedButton Devoted Fan

Joined: 15 Sep 2006 Posts: 513 Location: En-ger-land, Guvna.
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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milowent wrote: | ok, to play devil's advocate: at 1st it does seem odd that gemma would lie about being in london if she wasn't tied up with the order from the beginning, but what if she was trying to hide her actual location from the order? but then, the order found her anyway (because they are EVERYWHERE) and then co-erced her to keep posting videos and still claim to be in London.
if gemma was in with the order from the beginning, she should have just said that the ceremony was really cool, no big deal, just that daniel was being nosey and disrespectful of the religion. why start mentioning families disappearing if she was on the order's side? |
To gain trust. _________________ Yes, I do play croquet with the queen actually. We all do here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EGW2tvTPXg |
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Kasdeja Hymn of One

Joined: 15 Sep 2006 Posts: 7754 Location: Back...and to the left.
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sorry, PB...your avvy just hypnotizes me. _________________
You cannot make another post so soon after your last; please try again in a short while.
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breewithcrackers Lonely Fan

Joined: 08 Nov 2006 Posts: 202
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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...and represents a number of individuals' feelings about Jonas
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Paul Monkuppet Casual Observer

Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 30 Location: wherever my work takes me
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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DavetheAvatar wrote: | Just for the record, Gemma's first video was "Nut kills man" not "It's not your decision". |
Oh sorry. Its the first Gemma video I've seen on here and never looked at her youtube. _________________ "What in the holy purple simian hell would poses you to think it would be a good idea for you to trade insults with me" |
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Chartreuse Lonely Fan

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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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About that video though... I keep coming back to how Gemma called that video, "it's not your decision"... and Jonas called his, "your decision."
Gemma = not your decision = not HER decision = she's being forced?
Jonas = your decision = HIS decision = he and Daniel and Bree are standing up?
Just a thought. |
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JustAnotherLonelyGirl. P. Monkey's Agent

Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 2094 Location: Boston
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Chartreuse wrote: | About that video though... I keep coming back to how Gemma called that video, "it's not your decision"... and Jonas called his, "your decision."
Gemma = not your decision = not HER decision = she's being forced?
Jonas = your decision = HIS decision = he and Daniel and Bree are standing up?
Just a thought. |
I agree. I noticed the parallels between titles too. |
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AniDonia Lonely Fan

Joined: 24 Nov 2006 Posts: 164 Location: The Deuce
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:41 am Post subject: |
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Well one of the central themes of this series is "Do what thou wilt". (How Bree's parents met, Bree disobeying her parents to do what she wants, Aleister Crowley, etc.) It seems like individual freedom is still seen as a positive force despite its tie-in with Bree's and Bree's parents' religious beliefs.
I think, on the thematic level, the Order despite obstensibly spouting those beliefs, has become corrupted and is obsessed with severely controlling individual freedom. |
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raindown Enthusiastic Fan

Joined: 04 Nov 2006 Posts: 266 Location: Israel
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Chartreuse wrote: | About that video though... I keep coming back to how Gemma called that video, "it's not your decision"... and Jonas called his, "your decision."
Gemma = not your decision = not HER decision = she's being forced?
Jonas = your decision = HIS decision = he and Daniel and Bree are standing up?
Just a thought. |
great observation, though I thought of the complete opposite, as in
Gemma = not your decision = Gemme is on the side that
forcing Bree,
Jonas = your decision = fighting for Bree's freedom and safety _________________ "You are disoriented. Blackness swims toward you like a school of eels who have just seen something that eels like a lot."
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Languorous Lass The Order of Denderah
Joined: 24 Oct 2006 Posts: 2571 Location: Gone, baby, gone
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:35 am Post subject: |
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PushedButton wrote: | milowent wrote: | if gemma was in with the order from the beginning, she should have just said that the ceremony was really cool, no big deal, just that daniel was being nosey and disrespectful of the religion. why start mentioning families disappearing if she was on the order's side? |
To gain trust. |
Or, as people have theorized elsewhere, she might have been originally on B&D's side, but been forced to cooperate after the watchers found her.
Although admittedly Tachyon's latest vid seems to make that scenario less likely. It sure sounds like Gemma's cooperating voluntarily. |
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PushedButton Devoted Fan

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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I guess the watchers may have got to her - one minute she was being watched and was scared to death, the next minute she totally discounted that - perhaps the order has explained something to Gemma to change her mind.... maybe she was lied to, maybe she's learned the awful truth about Bree....whatever that might be. _________________ Yes, I do play croquet with the queen actually. We all do here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EGW2tvTPXg |
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