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Anduviel
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| dlruss0216 wrote: |
Could they be synonyms, i.e. Moses and Father? Was Moses a father? Sorry, religiously ignorant here.
EDIT - TecSpectre - I swear I typed this before reading your post...lol. You're just a faster typer  |
haha thanks^^
well, I searched in wiki and in dictionary.
They mostly refer to Moses as "a legendary Hebrew liberator, leader, lawgiver, prophet, and historian."
I didn't find anything saying about a father symbolism yet=( |
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| Brooklyn wrote: | Started researching history of sacrafice...
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Very very interesting post. The kind of post that makes me think we're going way deeper than the people running the show are.
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I think the virgin and the beast in line 1 refers to Cassie. She is telling her story in stanza one and then letting us know that the same fate will befall Bree if we don't help.
She can't RIP because she is tormented by the idea that the people who hurt her will keep hurting others.
I don't agree that that the me in stanza one can't be cassie. I think it is. She switches to third person at the end to let us know that she is the one referred to in the poem.
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Looking at the poem...
Does Been and Seventeen rhyme? |
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Anduviel
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| alonelyguy15 wrote: | | Anduviel wrote: | | alonelyguy15 wrote: |
To kill me with his sword of hate. The evil priest is going to kill "me", or Cassie. That's the ultimate cost. She's saying it's not hers to bear, which means the rest of us are going to SHARE. (we die we share). |
Again, it was mentioned before, that 'me' cannot refer to Cassie, because at the end she talks in third person about herself
"But cassie does not rest in peace" |
And again, it shall be mentioned that POETIC LICENSE is a popular tool for POETS. It doesn't have to make grammatic sense.
You really think Cassie would post a poem written by Bree? Bree's dad? Daniel? No! Cassie wrote it.
*Shakes fist* |
ah, okay, okay *hides*
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twistofreality
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| TehSpectre wrote: | " moses armed the evil priest, "
Moses being a patriarch > Father figure > Bree's Dad
Armed the evil priest > Giving Bree over to the cult.
Bree's Dad gave her over to the cult.
My take at least. |
Hey, that makes good sense. A lot more than my "letters" intepretation. Especially since Bree's dad is currently "between" her and Daniel in that he's forbidden her from seeing him. That makes the prepositional phrase work quite well, since nothing in "moses armed the evil priest" seems to apply to Cassie. |
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Kasdeja
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| Anduviel wrote: | | dlruss0216 wrote: |
Could they be synonyms, i.e. Moses and Father? Was Moses a father? Sorry, religiously ignorant here.
EDIT - TecSpectre - I swear I typed this before reading your post...lol. You're just a faster typer |
haha thanks^^
well, I searched in wiki and in dictionary.
They mostly refer to Moses as "a legendary Hebrew liberator, leader, lawgiver, prophet, and historian."
I didn't find anything saying about a father symbolism yet=( |
As TehSpectre had said...a leader or patriarch is often a "father". Father is not always used to refer to your actual father. A leader could very well be coined as a "father"...and Moses was most definitely a leader, a patriarch. |
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Luv2Skydive
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Kalamitye, love the avatar...Fricking funny.....annnnd a little disturbing. 
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Kasdeja
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| Jengels2002 wrote: | Looking at the poem...
Does Been and Seventeen rhyme? |
It's a masculine rhyme opposed to the more popular feminine rhyme. |
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twistofreality
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| Kalamitye wrote: | "The cost is not just mine to bear.
We win we live we die we share. "
Maybe the outcome of the ritual or the situation is supposed to have some sort of massive effect. Like she's trying to save everyone, not just Bree. |
I like this, too. It makes Cassie out to be the real protagonist of this story, and it forces us (within game terms) to put a more personal investment in all of this. |
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boo
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Googled moses and sacrifice and this is what I got:
| Quote: | The Law of Moses
In the law of Moses, in the book of Leviticus, God revealed that the way for mankind to approach Him is through sacrifice. [8] Later He said, "without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness". [9] Moses explained the method of sacrifice to the Israelites: The sinner was to take a perfect animal to the door of the temple of God. There he was to put his hands on it, symbolically transferring his sins onto the animal. Next he had to kill it and the priest would sprinkle its blood at the foot of the altar, and offer the rest to God on the altar. God would accept the animal's death in place of the death of the sinner. [10]
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From this site: http://www.word.org.uk/less18.htm
Also check out this site: http://www.usbible.com/Sacrifice/sacrifice_moses.htm for more moses and sacrifice history. Way too much to post here, but this is the start:
| Quote: | | After the Israelites escaped from slavery in Egypt, they found themselves confronted by the most barbaric brand of slavery ever devised when Moses conceived of child sacrifice as a way of commemorating the Passover. Just as when God tested Abraham, there can be no greater test of submission then to ask parents to give up their children to be immolated. It is hard to imagine a crime more despicable than infanticide. |
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whisper
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"The Locrians sent many virgin girls to their ritual deaths to make up for the rape of Cassandra."
Well, THAT'S great.
So the poem say, "If help AGAIN does come too late."
So somethings already happened. Cassie's already been killed. No one came to save her -- or they tried, but it was too late.
"The pulse of the doe-eyed child might cease, but Cassie does not rest in peace."
So, Cassie's dead. Bree will share her fate, but that's not enough to make Cassie happy. What would make Cassie happy? What would make her rest in peace?
Maybe Bree should sleep with Daniel. Then she wouldn't be a virgin and they wouldn't sacrifice her. |
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atomikbr
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here it is my theory:
during the ceremony between bree and daniel there will be this priest handling a sword who will kille bree (or both) if we don't help them in time, just as (cassie?) was killed when help came too late. I know that we are sticking to the Moses version, but even that way it makes sense, imo.
*back to work* |
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Anduviel
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| boo wrote: | Googled moses and sacrifice and this is what I got:
| Quote: | The Law of Moses
In the law of Moses, in the book of Leviticus, God revealed that the way for mankind to approach Him is through sacrifice. [8] Later He said, "without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness". [9] Moses explained the method of sacrifice to the Israelites: The sinner was to take a perfect animal to the door of the temple of God. There he was to put his hands on it, symbolically transferring his sins onto the animal. Next he had to kill it and the priest would sprinkle its blood at the foot of the altar, and offer the rest to God on the altar. God would accept the animal's death in place of the death of the sinner. [10]
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From this site: http://www.word.org.uk/less18.htm |
ooo...
That leads me to think that Bree's Dad possibly wants to get rid of some of his sins through sacraficing her or something... Maybe he did something bad, or the cult pushed him to sacrafice Bree. |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| dlruss0216 wrote: | \
Could they be synonyms, i.e. Moses and Father? Was Moses a father? Sorry, religiously ignorant here.
EDIT - TecSpectre - I swear I typed this before reading your post...lol. You're just a faster typer |
I think he is generally revered as a figurative patriarch in that he lead the slaves out of egypt and was essentially the father figure for the whole horde of them. He was the one who served as the messenger when God handed down the 10 commandments, so in a figurate sense, Bree's father does have a parallel. He "always" does the bibliomancy so he's obviously revered in some respect amongst those who worship with them, and he's the primary authority in Bree's life, handing down the rules for the ceremony. Again this may be grasping at straws, but it does make sense to me. 10 years of Catholic Schooling has yet yet to prove useful for me, so who knows if this time it will.  |
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