Lonelygirl15

random lurker · Casual Observer Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 46

"For someone who supposedly lost his parents at a young age, Jonas just plain sucks at handling Bree's grief. If he really did go through that, why is he so ignorant about what Bree is dealing with?"

I don't think that's right. People respond in all different ways - in my family, some of us were angry and agitated and full of energy, and some were deflated and defeated and just needed to lay still or cry. Different people, different needs depending on when you catch them. Jonas may be trying to apply the style of help that he would find comforting, to Bree's situation.

Also, people who want to help someone who's grieving may very well be (unconsciously) doing it as much for themselves. When someone says, "I feel so bad for you," take that literally: if you feel bad, you do something to make yourself feel better. If Jonas feels bad for Bree because she's undergone this trauma, then the way to make himself better is for her to "feel better," for the trauma to go away. So he comes in the "fix" things - as much to help himself feel better as to help her feel better.

It's takes concentration and effort to comfort someone without trying to "fix" things in an extreme situation like that. And since Jonas has a history of being "too nice" and desperately wanting to please everybody, he probably wants Bree acting happier/healthier because it will make him feel better.

Amateur shrink commentary concluded. Please resume your video analysis.

watching_watchers · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject:

kristin · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject:

I'm sure you're right about everyone approaching it differently. But I still have the distinct impression from the video that Jonas is relying more on books than personal experience and actual empathy, which is suspicious to me. I think he does genuinely want to help Bree, but his general reaction makes me question things.

jenlight · Casual Observer Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 96

cbizzle44 · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject:

AM · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject:

Jonas's explanation for how his parents disappeared being so lame and unconvincing...his inability to help her just by relating to Bree on a personal level without books to help him (despite supposedly suffering a similar heartbreak), his constant dropping of Tachyon references...I think those who feel there is a bit more to Jonas than meets the eye are correct.
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yoruba · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject:

betz28 · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject:

my opinion - brees dad is not dead....there is no real evidence to back it up...

maybe jonas hesitated to protect bree at first because he recognized who brees dad was...and it shook him up a bit.

EEVEE · Lonely Fan Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 243

HazelButtercup · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:56 pm Post subject:

Jonas' reference to the Zapruder film seemed very appropriate to me (I was born in the 1950's). I've heard that reference used in that same manner when someone analyzes a film to death, "like that Zapruder film."

I asked my teenaged kids if they have heard of it and they said, "No." So for Jonas to make that reference, he must be a real history buff.

EEVEE · Lonely Fan Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 243

kristin · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject:

About the Zapruder issue: I'm 17 years old, and I'm familiar with the film, as well as the name Zapruder. I've seen it referenced before on television, I've viewed it online, and it was discussed in my history class last year. So I think its plausible for a person in their late teens or early twenties to be passingly familiar with the film without being a full blown history buff.

EEVEE · Lonely Fan Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 243

real history buff? You mean it's not talked about at school or nothing?

I'm 15 and I know about it.

aw man...I guess it's just me... Confused

angie78gg · Thor's Hammer Joined: 04 Oct 2006 Posts: 1220

The only problem I have with Jonas, and his "mental exercise". Is that if you have mental problems yourself. You may not be the best person to try and deal with another's. I speak from experience there. It may be me, but he seems ditant in a strange way. Not the I lost my parents kinda way and understand what she is going through(<---- run on sentence here). There are still a lot of things that dont add up. Bree's parent's...teh Order, Gemma, and Jonas. He hesitated, for what? Fear, did he have something to do with his parents disappearance? Hmmm thing's that make you go HMMM... ....I dont know, there is still a lot to be seen I guess.
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noraono · Suspiciously Absent Joined: 29 Sep 2006 Posts: 5

Did anyone feel like Jonas was acting suspicious of Bree? I felt like his comment about hesitation, as well as discussing that they weren't interested in Bree at all, made me feel like he's got some notion that Bree is part of everything, or at least not telling them something.

Just me maybe?

That's it for my post of the month.