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lookyz Casual Observer
Joined: 12 Nov 2006 Posts: 94 Location: Manhattan's Shadow
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Amelia wrote: | Lord_Cel wrote: | Killthesmiley wrote: | but why MUST it be bree...
maybe there is a bigger picture we're missing...
MAYBE...this story isn't about bree but someone else, but told through bree...
hmmmmm
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wild imagination.. |
Bree did say in her video that out of all the young girls in the order only a fraction of the girls develop the right characteristics for the ceremony.
Maybe they need Bree for a/another ceremony...possibly on Feb. 5? |
Kind of on a sidenote... does anyone think they know what the "right characteristics" are for these certain girls in this ceremony? |
My husband went immediately to highlander the series when I was explaining my fascination with the series/arg. Immortallity? Out of thousands, there can be only 1??
I laughed at first, but maybe....
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Also, just as a lark I went all occam's razor and took a look at video 036 (My first Kiss) - disccusing a common seduction strategy. Probably nothing, but I'm totally retracing steps to make sure there's nothing overlooked that they may be pointing a big flashing arrow at. I have a habit of overcomplicating, so I thought I'd put out my super dunce idea. flame away I can take it... |
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kellylen The Order of Denderah
Joined: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 2823 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Ruberic wrote: | A drop? Are we sure? What hints at a new drop...other than Oppy saying
"Here's Oppy!" *insert picture of a creepy little girl peaking through a hole in a door, made by an axe*
Whats the rumblings everying is hinting too?[/b] |
haahha im in a study lounge in my dorm and I just read that and cracked up. everyone is looking at me now _________________ -Kelly |
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JustAnotherLonelyGirl. P. Monkey's Agent
Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 2094 Location: Boston
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Op should come to the east coast.. specifically new york.. _________________ "Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof."
-- V For Vendetta <3 |
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TJ Marsh Thor's Hammer
Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 1483 Location: Stalked by Flautapantera.
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Intersting video i say the least. _________________ Long live LG15. |
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Antissa Pompeii Casual Observer
Joined: 11 Oct 2006 Posts: 64
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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I think we should still pay attention to the quote of the video, though, since Op seems to enjoy attaching clues to her quotes.
"Does the end Justify the means?" was originally a quote by the philosopher, Albert Camus. Although I skimmed through his Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Camus) I didn't see any real connection with him and thelema, or the order. Anyway, it was worth a go, right? _________________ Deck, I'm about to Betchslap you! |
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JustAnotherLonelyGirl. P. Monkey's Agent
Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 2094 Location: Boston
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Antissa Pompeii wrote: | I think we should still pay attention to the quote of the video, though, since Op seems to enjoy attaching clues to her quotes.
"Does the end Justify the means?" was originally a quote by the philosopher, Albert Camus. Although I skimmed through his Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Camus) I didn't see any real connection with him and thelema, or the order. Anyway, it was worth a go, right? |
I read the Stranger.
It emphasized existentialism, absurdity, and detachment from society.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stranger_%28novel%29
And, actually, it seemed to prove that the end does not justify the means. It basically implied that no event affects another. That life is random. That death is random. That everything means nothing.
It was a pretty well-written book. I didn't necessarily love it though. _________________ "Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof."
-- V For Vendetta <3 |
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Ganesha Casual Observer
Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 66
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Whether the ends justify the means is a philosophical issue which predates Camus by at least a couple of thousands of years. I am pretty sure that Camus is beyond the pale of the antics of Op and Tachy, at least from what has been evidenced by them to this point.
Sure, the argument could be constructed that riddles, puzzles, covert activities, and intrigue are a part of an absurd existence, where individuals are both the sum of their experiences and yet transcendant, crushed between determinism and an absolute freedom, both essentially without any meaning save that which is created by the individual. I am not seeing a need for constructing such, given what we have.
The other supporting audio- the Eisenhower quote about needing focus and sacrifice for the greater goal, for instance- tends to lend credence to the theory that at least this much is fairly straightforward as regards OpAphid's Welt Anshauung. _________________ While everyone ponders about who watches the watchers, I'll see who is cleaning up after the janitors. |
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Loki Lonely Fan
Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 143 Location: Right behind you...
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Whether the ends justify the means is one question... whether the means justifies the ends is another.
It seems to me that both questions are relevant right now though.
EDIT: Going back to watch some of the older videos again for the endings only, I noticed another two slight differences with this one. First, there is normally a recorded version of the YouTube video controls (the red buttons) which show up at the end of the video... there were not this time. Second, no one else seems to have mentioned it, but in addition to the text "Op Aphid" being backwards visually, it also vanished rather than appearing. |
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cynicar Lonely Fan
Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 130 Location: Various lands throughout the Midwest
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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Side note on the colors of the symbol at the beginning.
If the next one's blue, we've got the four colors used in pagan rituals to represent the cardinal directions in the order of North, South, East, and West.
I'm trying to find a decent site to cite (hee, homophones), but yeah. Something to look out for.
ETA: Yay Wikipedia!. It's under the heading "The Elements," and also lists the natural elements linked to each color, unsurprisingly. |
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kyliabell Suspiciously Absent
Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 12
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Has anyone considered 36-bit word length in regards to the 36 thing? If the number would make it too obvious, one would naturally change it to the word. That or it's a nice hell of a coincidence. Yay numbers! |
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theratdiva Casual Observer
Joined: 03 Oct 2006 Posts: 74
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:31 am Post subject: |
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I see it this way : "The ends justify the means" = dangling Bree's Dad in her face and having to kill him is justified because it flushed Bree out of hiding (out of Jonas' house/ gave them a way to find out where Jonas lives.
Of course, this also opens a new pattern of thought... which is that perhaps Bree's father isn't dead. (Yes, I hear some of you booing, but please hear me out). Although I want to believe that Bree's father just wanted to see her, perhaps he allowed himself to be dangled in order to find out where Bree was.
At the very least, that's why the Order let him get away to see Bree. _________________ BACK IN BLACK |
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Ruberic Enthusiastic Fan
Joined: 15 Dec 2006 Posts: 267
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:12 am Post subject: |
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theratdiva wrote: | I see it this way : "The ends justify the means" = dangling Bree's Dad in her face and having to kill him is justified because it flushed Bree out of hiding (out of Jonas' house/ gave them a way to find out where Jonas lives.
Of course, this also opens a new pattern of thought... which is that perhaps Bree's father isn't dead. (Yes, I hear some of you booing, but please hear me out). Although I want to believe that Bree's father just wanted to see her, perhaps he allowed himself to be dangled in order to find out where Bree was.
At the very least, that's why the Order let him get away to see Bree. |
You now, you could be on to something here. I have been reading another thread (in the plot discussion area I believe) concerning the Illuminati. One of their supposed controlling tricks is to stage the death of an individual as a warning to their followers about what would happen to them if they turned against the order.
I have a strong feeling that Bree's father may have been used in this circumstance. Lets face it, this guy is not her biological father...has no qualms about injecting her with medication while lying to her that "he does not know what it is" despite being a research physician...and leaves her a cryptic message to get her to a place so he can be shot and killed.
I see this as one great big produciton being used to scare and control Bree.
Just my thoughts.
-Ruberic _________________ Order in your life is meant to build strength and confidence. Without the order, there is chaos. The order, in life, is necessary. |
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itsreallyreal Devoted Fan
Joined: 16 Jan 2007 Posts: 788
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Let us not forget...
The LOWER you are in the order the LESS info you get...
So it is ENTIRELY possible that her "Dad" had no clue what they were injecting her with... Or what teh Ceremoney is... Or what it entails...
So I think he was in the dark.. Tried to do the right thing and stop it and paid the ultimate price for his love of his "Daughter"... He may not have been her birth father but he was her Dad... No doubt... And Bree is CLEARLY a Daddy's Girl... _________________ I have no clues to offer you... But I know how to download if you're offering!!! |
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kayokosaeki Lonely Fan
Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 238 Location: usa, tristate area
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:17 am Post subject: |
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JustAnotherLonelyGirl. wrote: | Op should come to the east coast.. specifically new york.. |
yes! an east coast move would be extremely exciting. |
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Killthesmiley The Order of Denderah
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 4732 Location: Halifax NS Canada
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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i jsut wanted to mention this...
when the camera is panning out of Op's head(man that sounds wierd...) and out through her eye, anyone else notice that its a different eye (at first then kind of morphs into oppy's eye) and it looks scared as hell...
or am I going crazy? _________________ kelly
YOU: Who does that KTS think she is? Total bitch!
ME: I think I'm you, only better.
~Kelly, KMurr, and Kellylen <3~ |
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