Lonelygirl15

[Ruberic]

This is a cut-and-paste from a post I made in the OpAphid thread. Someone asked me if I would not mind posting it here for discussion. I normally avoid all double posts, but would like others to tear these thoughts of mine apart. Thanks ahead of time!!
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Here is my theory...try to follow my thoughts as I may be using "stream of consciousness" in this post.

"The Order" is a cultic group that sees itself as the chosen ones selected to test humanity, and to find those who best can serve the true nature of humanity.

There is good and evil, and humanity is about to be tested (so the order believes). In a very real way, they are sifting through individuals as one would sift sand...forcing a type of darwinian theory on individuals they have picked to represent mankind in this upcoming test. They set certain people up to see how they react, and if they are up to the task they may be chosen for.

Like a chess game, each piece is tested. Everyone is part of their game, whether they are aware of it or not. Tachyon, Brother, Gemma, etc. They are all playing, they are all being tested, they all have their part in the chess game.

Tachyon was part of the order, and betrayed them. She was found not to be trustworthy, but she still has her place. The order utilizes her to find weak members and delete them from the pool. Purifying the true order (Bye-bye gemma)

Gemma was part of the order, but was ineffective and sloppy. She could not protect the secret, and was no longer useful. Thus, the order allowed her to be sacrificed...and allowed Tachyon and Brother to do it for them.

Others are tested by being privy to the full truth (or having the truth totally revealed), and then watching how they react. If they keep the revelation safe...they are worthy. If not, they are punished and removed from the chosen order (bree's father)

Brother infiltrated the order, but his lust and other personality problems caused him to stumble. He is being used with tachyon, but his behavior is of use to the order as well.

Jonas is part of the order, but his test is that he was not fully aware of what the order was. His parents belonged, and thus he just followed what his parents brought him up for. The order is testing his dedication. Will he follow through, or will he also betray them. He is currently being tested.

Daniel's parents are lower members of the order, and they are testing his dedication to his friends. They are testing his resourcefullness. They are testing to see if he is worthy to being brought higher into the order depending on how he protects Bree, how he follows through.

Bree? Well, her arrogance and her naivety is well used by the order. The choose several girls, and isolate them to protect this naivety...this "purity" of personality. Then then tell these girls that they are of immense importance to the order, and they have a part to paly in the ceremony. These girls' naivety (and now bolstered sense of self-importance) is used to their advantage. It is through these girls that they test everyone around them without the others realizing. Everyone is thrown to protecting or betraying this "innocent" person...and that is how they are tested. Bree isn't needed for anything special, but the order is using her for a ceremony of darwinian sorts.

The stuff Tachyon has intercepted or stolen...reveals the truth to the manipulation that the order has created. That is why OpAphid wants them back.

Remember, OpAphid said "well played, obviously things have not gone according to play...or have they?"

Did any of this make sense?

Just my thoughts.

-Ruberic
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[Nieriel.Manwathiel]

LOTS of there-speak

er, i mean hearsay

my theory:

~ Daniel's parents being in the Order isn't entirely unlikely
~ I like Jonas as one of the unpredictable "X" factors of life, a fan who was a little too kind and is now in this whole mess (Bree's personality is an X-factor as well) kind of an embodiment of the fan community
~ We dunno what Daniel and PapaBree talked about, but the general consensus is that it was about WAY more than videotaping the play. While many people agree that, if Daniel was told Bree was adopted, Daniel wouldn't have been able to keep it a secret for long. However, if PapaBree simply said "Daniel, you've been Bree's friend for years now. I can't tell you what's going on, but I need you to protect Bree."
~ We also know Bree's "mother" was higher in the Order than PapaBree, so a favorite theory of mine is that Bree's "mom" is OpAphid
~ With people interacting in the ARG, they said the message replies have had a very different feel than before. I believe this has to do with the fact that OpAphid admitted that she(?) employed someone to deal with the computers for the Op. Seeing as how we don't know Bree's father is truly dead (yes, people, there CAN be unreliable narrators) I see it as not-too-far a jump to indicate that Bree's father was "killed" to move him from the limelight to the vacant position of Oppy Techy.
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[Sanjay]

Some of it sounds plausible it's just hard to see how testing individual responses to adverse situations qualifies as Darwinian/Social engineering or testing.

Your assertions about the ceremony being a blind to get others to react in certains ways seems quite plausible and even likely however i think your grand explanation of why is really quite flimsy and half assed.

Darwinian testing to represent us in a trial? No, it just sounds way too outlandish and unlikely.

Even if it was for some trial, why would they care what decisions these individuals come to? Unless they were testing for mental expediency? Your reference to Tachyon being used to weed out weak members of the order, it sorta seems.....semi-possible but i don't know why they would care about Bree and Jonas making their choices to either betray or honour their friends.

The way you invoke the word "Darwinian" shows you have little if any understanding of both the background surrounding the order and the origins/associations of the word itself.

I'm sorry but you've provided little if any insight into this topic and your actual "theory" contained only vague allusions (at best) as to what was going on in the grand scheme of things.

I'm actually quite boggled as to how you connected all of these concepts together.

Peace

[Ruberic]

Sanjay:

First, as I stated, the post was written in a stream of conscience method rather than a method utilizing scientific method to prove hypothesis. Please read purpose of posts prior to analyzing them for a purpose they were not intended for...

Not, to answer some of your objections.

1. Darwinian theory states that organisms and species adapt and change over periods of measurable time. As these species adapt and change to the given environments, only those with specific characteristics that bennifit the the species in the environment (thus making them more competitive due to that specific change) will be capable of passing on these characteristics to future generations. Social Darwinism is a theory from the late 1800s that adapted Darwin's theory ond order and adaption of species to that of the human condition. That is, the more capable and fit the person, the better they will succeed and rise to different levels of society (a theory greatly supported by Rockafeller and other barons)

Now, rather than argue subjective aspects of evolutionary / adaptive philosophy and theories (both on the social or naturall level) lets get back to discussing the purpose of this forum section.

How this fits with my above theory:

Several "cults" have doccumented their belief that they have been chosen to test society, and discover the most fit of humanity to survive in the face of an oncomming test. Only the fit have a right to survive, and that the natural order that the human species has set themselves on is not aiming at reaching this zenith of "humanity". In this end, they feel that they have been ordained by God (or a number of other dieties), to test humanity to find the subjects that excel and fully exemplify specific traits that they are looking for.

As they prove these individuals by testing, they elevate / lower / or eliminate the individual depending on how they perform. It is a rather "forced" method of Darwin's theory. (Actually, if you read the writings and speeches of many meglomaniacs such as Hitler, you would recognize this theory. Obviously, this part of the use of social darwinism was not on the suggested readings at your public university).

The order sets up this test. By watching the interactions of the individuals, they are able to determine if the persons examined meet their requirements. Possibilities are physical characteristics, moral characteristics (as there are a few that feel that moral tenacity is genetic...though I find this laughable), stamina, and mental prowess.

Everyone in humanity is used in this trial, whether you like it / realize it / or not doesn't matter. Tachyon is being used to eliminate those that have failed, but remain to the order. The order has no use for them, and does not care what occurs to them. They failed.

Bree's father was tested, but failed due to his inability to remain true to the cause. His betrayal threatened the test, and thus he was eliminated for his failure.

etc.

Please, my friend, before you feel the need to assert your seemingly superior knowledge about subject or word usage, be sure you know who you are writing too. You never know who it is that sits behind the keyboard on the other side. I can tell by your post that your studies need to be improved.

Be well.

-Ruberic
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[silvermoon]

Extremely interesting theory. I think much of it is plausible.

The only thing I have a problem with being possible is that Daniel's parents are in the Order. He seemed much too frustrated/confused/ticked off about Bree's constant hiding of info about her religion to have that be possible.

Now, perhaps the friendship between Bree and Daniel was fostered/manipulated to bring him into the "game" by Bree's parents, Lucy and the Order in general. Just a random "dupe" to help test those who are actually in the Order and being tested.

This will keep me thinking! Thanks for sharing it!

[colbertnationgirl]

thats an interesting theory, but not dramatic enough for me. i would prefer if the order was testing everyone for something other than humanity.
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[djmadscribbler]

Ruberic,
I think this is a well thought out premise. I don't know if I completely buy all of it, but that's only because there are so many variables involved. Overall though - very solid!
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[VeiwerZane]

This theroy works well for me. It makes the whole concept alot like the island in "LOST" but on a world wide scale. And i keep hearing the creators of lg15 are fans of it. In lost the island was designed to monitor their behaveyer in the hatches. Seaming as the people stuck in them had no choice but to go by what they were told. Which to the veiwers seams to be a Test to them.

But I am very certain Travelerj19s archives from Facility J are official and have an effect I wrote alot on the latest video in teh fan fics section that combined with this is what id call waht im going on right now.

[Sanjay]

The fact that you alluded to Social Darwinism is greatly disturbing, yes i do have knowledge of it and i will assume for your sake that you are not actually advocating its use.

Surely you must know however that the ideas of Social Darwinism have been severely discredited within and without the scientific community and few if any serious scholars in any fields of intellectual pursuit today hold it with any regard.

I don't know why, an order with Paganistic roots and little if any scientific references within their organisation (apart from the iffy at best Illuminati references) would invoke socially Darwinistic practices in order to "test individuals". I can understand what you're saying and i do believe that much of this may be a test but i really don't think that the Order would be thinking along this wave pattern, it just doesn't fit in with the current mythos/background behind it.

Granted, the test ideas do have alot of credence but in the end you've still failed to answer the question of "testing for what?" which holds fast. The simple fact remains, there needs to be a "grand design" behind all of this, otherwise imagine what happens when they finally meet OpAphid and ask her the questions:

Bree: Why are you doing this

Op: We're testing you all for the right charactersistics Bree.

Bree: But why?

Op: To see if you are the chosen ones

Bree:...Chosen ones for what?

Op: ummm.....well...we're not really sure yet...

You seem to have hit upon some interesting ideas i will admit but if it is true, it is only half of the "why" and not the whole picture.

Peace

P.S-I'm much more well read than you think, i'm well aware of Hitler's ascription to Social Darwinism and the rest of it. It would have really helped though if you had used the term Social next to Darwinism to differentiate the two in the OP.