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tiltingwindward · Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject:

madsweeney, Damoreve, who has experience with flashbangs, has said that simply closing your eyes doesn't protect you from that amount of light...and anyhow, the Order people were all wearing sunglasses (inside...quoi?). So I think the only thing that may have saved Bree is that she was right near the front of the elevator and the door was opening. Maybe she threw herself out?

You're right, though; we have no idea how much time passed before people were capable of running away. Jonas certainly didn't recover as quickly as Bree; he hadn't turned the camera back on by the time she shouted for Daniel to run.

And this raises another question (I'm sorry, I'm sorry): It didn't look to me like Jonas knew what was going to happen. The way Bree was telling him to take care of Daniel, the look in her eyes, told me that she hadn't let Jonas in on the plan. Is it possible that she didn't trust him for some reason (other than the obvious one, of course)? Did Tachyon warn her?
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divaexigente · Suspiciously Absent Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 12

I think Jonas may have known what was going on, because it would be kinda odd to put him in a situation like that with no warning. I think she may have told him at the last possible minute. Plus to me it look as if Jonas filmed the flash bang going into the elevator door. He tilted the camera down like he saw it and knew it was going to happen.

janesalteredstates · Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject:

Something occurred to me. We're all so sure Daniel was brainwashed, but what if that isn't the case?

The Operation has amazing technologies. They easily could have created that video out of clips of Daniel or even just had a gun to his head, or both.

Maybe they tortured him. Who knows.
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Nieriel.Manwathiel · Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject:

tiltingwindward · Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject:

I'm skeptical that Jonas knew what was going on...to my knowledge, all the shots of the flashbang rolling in are from the previously placed cameras, not from Jonas. Also, the flashbang looks like it rolls in from the opposite side of the room as Jonas--that is, it rolls in from off to the left of the elevator, and is followed by the filming camera, whereas Jonas is on the other side of the elevator with Daniel. If anyone was filming the flashbang, it was the other cameras, unless Tachyon had time to film as well as explode things. Smile

I think staticmorning is on the right track, although I have to disagree and say that maybe Bree didn't tell Jonas what was going on because she doesn't have faith in him. At least, that's how I read it (although that could just be my lack of faith in Jonas talking).
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Logan · Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:29 pm Post subject:

Does the Order even know what Tachyon looks like?

For all we know, she just walked right in, sunglasses and all (which, side note: really unnecessary, those sunglasses indoors), and took a flashbang out of her bag.

lookyz · Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject:

I don't think Jonas knew either. He wouldn't still be questioning it as they were making an escape.

I'm not surprised she didn't let him in on the plan. He would've started thinking/rethinking/analyzing the idea and those behind it. That would've made it really difficult to pull off. Not to mention that we're not sure if he can play it cool - he does wear his heart on his sleeve.

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janesalteredstates · Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:25 am Post subject:

How can Jonas not have known?

He apparently knows who Tach is and that "Brother" is "Brother".

I think Bree was reminding Jonas of his part in things. Perhaps to untie Daniel as quickly as possible, take of his blindfold... . Maybe just to get ready.

"Are you sure we can trust him? ... he isn't really _____'s brother?" (more of a paraphrase, I don't know the exact line off the top of my head and I'm too lazy right now to look it up.)

If he didn't know how could he have known enough to even ask that question?

Does that make sense? It's early so I might be talking another language.
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tiltingwindward · Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:02 pm Post subject:

Hey folks...please remember that this thread is for discussing Daniel's mental state and Jonas' physical state, not outside events. If you want to talk specifics of the video, take a field trip over to the "Human Ransom" thread: Human Ransom

Logan, the Order definitely does NOT know what Tachyon looks like, because they were unable to find out who infiltrated their facility and identify the missing person when Tachyon first broke out. She may have blown her cover here, but it's unclear.
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rachelalexis · Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:08 am Post subject:

new video says that Daniel doesn't even remember making the video, makes no mention of Jonas being taken.

So, Jonas' physical state we can assume is okay, unless Bree is playing super-uber-coy for some reason and it's included in the things she can't/won't say. Rolling Eyes

But I think we can assume that the loss of the owner of the house they've been staying at would have been mentioned.

Daniel's state.... well, I guess they want us to infer that he was drugged, hypnotized (causing posthypnotic amnesia) or dissociative amnesia caused by the trauma of being captured [it is 3am, so if I'm missing any other explanations pardon me Smile

.] However, I have a feeling that if it were such a traumatic event that it would cause amnesia (like in assault victims) he would not have been able to be so cool calm and collected during his "performance."
All of that doesn't matter, of course, if we still entertain the idea that even if they checked to make sure it was the "real Danielbeast" that they wouldn't notice a "brainwashing" extensive enough to make D switch sides.
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