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Anth2020
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 Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:05 am Post subject: bree's special, in a eerie sort of way |
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| is it just me or is there an awfully specific reason for why the order want bree specifically to do the ceremony. She said that they chose people with potential from birth, what potential?. I don't know but looking back at the way she swims I think it's a physical feature she has. (like for example,not seriously, super powers) sry if this has already been brought up before. |
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ifeelcrazybaby
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:11 am Post subject: yeah... |
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It's not that I expect them to give up...
But there is something strange about not hurting Bree or forcing her EVER... and still pursuing her soooooo hard.
Maybe it is that way with every girl who has made it that far in the order (getting chosen for the ceremony and all).
Either way, it is just weird that they have to have Bree and no other female order victim will do.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Well I htink she has a neo thing going on. I think people forgot the order was a cult/conspiracy AND a religion after DB and Bree went on the run. They assigned people to her, not the other way around.
We have no proof anyone else has done the ceremony( Istill hope itscassie gets cannon but she's not for sure) so we don't know having a counselor is normal. We can't compare her experience to anyone else' because we don't have cannon order babies but they made her take shots, put her on a diet and had her study a zodiac. The Zodiac ( all of 'em) are big studies( and myths o/c) on the earth turning and we know she was scheduled for the ceremony on Dec 21st which is a big pagan heyday.
I think Bree has some sort of unique genetics that caused the order to hand pick her and think she has to perform some rite where she HAS to be "willing" in order for the MaAaAaAagic to work or w/e.
My theory. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| Widdershin wrote: | | We have no proof anyone else has done the ceremony... |
Tachyon's sister did it about 11 or 12 years ago. That's the girl Gemma talked about back in "They Disappeared...." |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| Widdershin wrote: | Well I htink she has a neo thing going on. I think people forgot the order was a cult/conspiracy AND a religion after DB and Bree went on the run. They assigned people to her, not the other way around.
We have no proof anyone else has done the ceremony( Istill hope itscassie gets cannon but she's not for sure) so we don't know having a counselor is normal. We can't compare her experience to anyone else' because we don't have cannon order babies but they made her take shots, put her on a diet and had her study a zodiac. The Zodiac ( all of 'em) are big studies( and myths o/c) on the earth turning and we know she was scheduled for the ceremony on Dec 21st which is a big pagan heyday.
I think Bree has some sort of unique genetics that caused the order to hand pick her and think she has to perform some rite where she HAS to be "willing" in order for the MaAaAaAagic to work or w/e.
My theory. |
It's a great theory, but pagans aren't "evil". And, December 21st is great, but the bigger pagan holiday would be October 31/November 1st (technically it's November 1st). |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: |
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It's a great theory, but pagans aren't "evil". And, December 21st is great, but the bigger pagan holiday would be October 31/November 1st (technically it's November 1st). |
If you're talking modern neo-pagans, that all depends  . There are a lot of different subsets!!
If you're talking wiccan/pagan, then sure Samhain (Oct 31st) is bigger than Yule (December 21st)... but I would suggest Beltane, which is Spring Equinox, is the biggest event in the social calandar, it was in my subset, anyway.
Which (over in your hemiphere) is around now (around March 20).
But I really do get the feeling this story is not working to seasonal calanders anyway, but more their own specific zodiac.
Just my 2 cents
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:46 am Post subject: |
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[quote="mellie3204"] | BTStars wrote: |
But I really do get the feeling this story is not working to seasonal calanders anyway, but more their own specific zodiac.
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This may sound silly, but *is* there a way to look at the order of dendera zodiac and figure out what may be a significant date? We've been told that the weeks in that calendar are 10 days in length, not 7. And that there is a match up on only few of the signs in the sky due to earth rotation. I don't know where to begin, or even if it is possible. Is it possible to track, or do we even have enough info to begin? (I'm hoping someone knowledgeable in this area reads this and responds.)
Edited because people reading this thread are smart and didn't want to say they weren't! Just hoping someone would have the particular area of expertise that they could answer and would share the answer. Whew!
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... but I would suggest Beltane, which is Spring Equinox, is the biggest event in the social calandar, it was in my subset, anyway.
Which (over in your hemiphere) is around now (around March 20).
But I really do get the feeling this story is not working to seasonal calanders anyway, but more their own specific zodiac.
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well, we know that the fall equinox was a big deal for bree and her religion. i'm hoping that on the spring equinox, order people will jump out of the sky and... do something. i guess the "we can't hurt/force bree" thing doesn't do wonders for plot development...
*fingers crossed*
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[quote="asti"] | mellie3204 wrote: | | BTStars wrote: |
But I really do get the feeling this story is not working to seasonal calanders anyway, but more their own specific zodiac.
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This may sound silly, but *is* there a way to look at the order of dendera zodiac and figure out what may be a significant date?
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Nope. The Denderah zodiac isn't a star map in the modern sense. The constellations aren't all in the proper places, the decan stars aren't in a regular spacing and most of them are unidentified anyway. It's a mix of ancient Egyptian astrology with then-modern Hellenistic and Roman zodiacs. It can really only be interpreted by using a "key" or set of explanations which haven't survived (unless, of course, one happens to be a member of the OTO, Order, or some other esoteric organization which claims to hold the secrets of the ancients). The Order must have a way of interpreting it, but we don't know what it is.
I've spent a fair amount of time reading "expert" interpretations of it, and the only thing they seem to have in common is that virtually all of them number the decans *backwards*, which could be a clue to their veracity.
Added: one interesting thing about is that it shows the sky being supported by four standing women (possibly the sky goddess Nut) and eight kneeling men (possibly the earth god Geb), which gives us an 8 and a 12, which Tachyon seems to think are significant numbers.
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| cbizzle44 wrote: | | BTStars wrote: |
... but I would suggest Beltane, which is Spring Equinox, is the biggest event in the social calandar, it was in my subset, anyway.
Which (over in your hemiphere) is around now (around March 20).
But I really do get the feeling this story is not working to seasonal calanders anyway, but more their own specific zodiac.
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well, we know that the fall equinox was a big deal for bree and her religion. i'm hoping that on the spring equinox, order people will jump out of the sky and... do something. i guess the "we can't hurt/force bree" thing doesn't do wonders for plot development...
*fingers crossed* |
The spring equinox is the considered the "New Year" by many of the Crowley-associated religions.
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| longlostposter wrote: | | cbizzle44 wrote: | | BTStars wrote: |
... but I would suggest Beltane, which is Spring Equinox, is the biggest event in the social calandar, it was in my subset, anyway.
Which (over in your hemiphere) is around now (around March 20).
But I really do get the feeling this story is not working to seasonal calanders anyway, but more their own specific zodiac.
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well, we know that the fall equinox was a big deal for bree and her religion. i'm hoping that on the spring equinox, order people will jump out of the sky and... do something. i guess the "we can't hurt/force bree" thing doesn't do wonders for plot development...
*fingers crossed* |
The spring equinox is the considered the "New Year" by many of the Crowley-associated religions. |
well...
that depends who you ask really. The Spring Equinox is impotant...new life, rebirth, ect, ect, But I find central focus surrounds Halloween or te Fall equinox.
either way, that's not why I'm posting....
Notice how ALex is a little...put of fby bree. She reffers to Bree as "Your little friend" in a very snarky tone.
Now it could mean a) the order is frustrated OR b) Alex has ill feelings towards Bree.
It's interesting none the less.
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edit...nevermind she was talking to Jonas!
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| Killthesmiley wrote: |
Notice how ALex is a little...put of fby bree. She reffers to Bree as "Your little friend" in a very snarky tone.
Now it could mean a) the order is frustrated OR b) Alex has ill feelings towards Bree.
It's interesting none the less.
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I'm not so sure she was talking ABOUT Jonas. She says there are people who will stop at nothing to get your "litte friend". I don't think it's Jonas they want, unless it's for a kidnapping like DB.
Also, she could have been belittling Bree because she is not really a human being to them...just a pawn.
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Whoa, about the whole calender thing you guys have been talking about, maybe if we can figure out what date specifically the order wants bree to do the actual ceremony we might get a clue to what really makes bree so special and why she is needed. oh and about that thing someone was blabbering on about the dendera weeks having10 day and not 7, that instantly triggered something in my memory about ancient egypt, ancient egyptian weeks were 10 days, not 7... maybe an expert on ancient egypt could figure something out.
what I want to know is what skills does bree have at all, apart from her strange swimming, she also has huge feet which I've noticed... |
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| Lurker wrote: | | Widdershin wrote: | | We have no proof anyone else has done the ceremony... |
Tachyon's sister did it about 11 or 12 years ago. That's the girl Gemma talked about back in "They Disappeared...." |
Oh, thanks.
| Casual Observer wrote: | BTStars wrote:
It's a great theory, but pagans aren't "evil". And, December 21st is great, but the bigger pagan holiday would be October 31/November 1st (technically it's November 1st).
If you're talking modern neo-pagans, that all depends Laughing. There are a lot of different subsets!!
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Thank you  . I meant it in the broad term. Like pagan means from bored middleclass kids with really indulgent parents they're trying hard to rebel against to cult leaders.
Dec 21st is pretty big in my suburbia they have some thing where they line a road closest to being paralell with the equator with paper-bag lanterns for about a mile until a major intersection.
It was also big in pagan Rome before and during their transition into the 'Holy' Roman empire instead of the plain old roman one. Also I think the mayans did a sacrifice on the shortest day of the year to appease the sungod and make the world keep turning. Or the longest( Big misconception that the Mayans said the world would end on 2012, they constantly had astrologers updating their calendar and if their culture had completely survived the Spanish they'd probably keep going.)
You may have used qoutes for evil because I didn't say it- but I'd like to kinda highlight I didn't. Besides- plenty of pagan activities are evil. The homoganized 'pagan' I see in suburbia is really usually somebody with entry level herbology knowledge and absolutely no knowledge of forestry. ( I'm really pointing towards the Tree-centric set who don't understand the connection between brush fires and clearing deadwood. But the celts[I think the base fo suburban paganism] lived in pretty bogyg conditions so I guess it would not really go with it?)
We're ( or at least I am) talking about Hilter's inner circle calliber pagan( they thought white people where Atlantian offshoots and where born with more intelligence than anyone else- started sterilizing people based on the shape of their head and used Darwinism [of all things] to justify racism and ethnic cleansing...because they came from atlantis and apparently it's sinking into the sea was just an unfortunate accident?) and we all know the theories about Masons and whatever else illuminati? World conquest in the name of whatever made up super race or ancient race they choose, for the good of blah blah woof woof.
So point being pagan can mean ebil, and the order is evil AND is acting kind of pagan. Nobody can deny that. Besides lots of sects of protestantism(spelling?) qaulify as cults too.
Anyway with the order- I think they probably had a few false messiahs before Bree and maybe she meets all their requirements that Tacy's sister didn't. I wish it wasn't so important to the plot that Bree not give us the scoop on what her dad said and what signs, exactly, the order worked off of.
I'm interested in learning on how to decipher the Denderah zodiac though- and if somebody mentions crowley again I might have to look him up in detial. |
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