 |
Lonelygirl15
Forum to post messages about Bree and Danielbeast
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
JustAnotherLonelyGirl.
P. Monkey's Agent
Joined: 21 Sep 2006
Posts: 2094
Location: Boston
|
 Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
Just wanted to say some quick things before I read everything.
The board says Cassandra and Alexandra. I'm too tired and hungry to figure out what that means but OMFG CASSIE!
Daniel was totally pissed at Jonas. 
I love the boys. I want them to be happily friends.
Shit, I have to eat dinner. Afterwards I'll read the thread.
_________________
"Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof."
-- V For Vendetta <3 |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
theratdiva
Casual Observer
Joined: 03 Oct 2006
Posts: 74
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
The Cassandra/Alexandra mention leads me to this, from Wikipedia,
"In Greek mythology, Cassandra (Greek: Κασσάνδρα "she who entangles men") (also known as Alexandra) was a daughter of King Priam and Queen Hecuba of Troy whose beauty caused Apollo to grant her the gift of prophecy. However, when she did not return his love, Apollo placed a curse on her so that no one would ever believe her predictions."
The full citation is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra
Are some members of the flock able to predict the future? The worst part of Cassandra's/Alexandra's gift was that no one ever believed her visions, and it led them to make the mistakes that brought them to their doom.
_________________
BACK IN BLACK |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mindinflight
Enthusiastic Fan
Joined: 11 Apr 2007
Posts: 475
Location: The Capital, Canada
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Wow, I am amazed with the info that this thread has generated in the what, eight-ish hours since the vid came out? 
I tend to lean towards "Cassandra and Alexandra" being Cassie and Auntie Turncoat. Why? I think it would be a little odd to introduce new characters with names similar to previous ones (seen or unseen).
On a lighter note -- I think our TAAG is faced with a new dilemma, far more dramatic and challenging than before. Three people.... one mattress!  If DB doesn't hog the bed, I wonder if the "Great Wall of Jonas" will make another appearance in the future? *taps chin thoughtfully* LMAO. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
EEVEE
Lonely Fan
Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Posts: 243
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
OH yeah, cassandra.cassie alexandra.alex but I don't know if it's the one's we're thinking of.
What's up with the etc.
What goes on?
cassandra, alexandra,etc.
Who next. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mincartaugh
Enthusiastic Fan
Joined: 24 Mar 2007
Posts: 347
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks, GJTK, I think you came up with some great points. | gjtko2007 wrote: | The numbers (9, 12 and 18 ) I think either refer to:
or B. The ages that Hymn of One girls such as Bree are determined or checked to be fit for "the Ceremony" |
I was wondering when someone was going to finally come up with this. It was the first thing I thought of! Then I started thinking, how old were Cassie(Casandra) and Alex(Alexandra) in 2000 when we are supposing this was written? | Quote: | | Coming off of the Elders are apparent subdivisions of the Order/Hymn of One: Deacons, Helpers, Watchers and something called "OTS". The former three have dotted lines connecting them to Elders while "OTS" has a solid line (possibly indicating certainty of connection, as opposed to less sure for the other three) |
or perhaps OTS is the only faction that really knows what's going on. the others have only part of the picture. | Quote: | | (for what purpose though we have no idea). |
sure we do. They're guarding them from the resistance, from the zelots... | Quote: | | Above Ceremony and below Crowley is some circled stuff: Girls? (probably indicating that only girls are right for some reason), Blood underlined many times (it has already been guessed that the Ceremony involves blood in some way, but this is something of proof of that) and then Something in it? (what would be desired in the blood... red blood cells? Does anyone else besides me think of vampires when you read this?!? |
Vampire isn't reasonable, but I'm thinking you really didn't mean it. A thread really took the blood angle apart. I'll try to find it and post. | Quote: | | (Cassandra, Alexandra, etc.) which some have said were meant Cassie and Alex were alternate candidates. The theory is weird, but not impossible. |
see above, and take note of Mindinflight's post | Quote: | | I tend to lean towards "Cassandra and Alexandra" being Cassie and Auntie Turncoat. Why? I think it would be a little odd to introduce new characters with names similar to previous ones (seen or unseen). |
At the time this was written, Alex was approximately Bree's age. Maybe a tad older. I think either she washed out of the ceremony or she was fought over similarly to Bree. It is entirely probably that she married to get past the purity thing. I don't think we've seen the last of Aunt Alex! Anyway, the 9,12,18 as ages could mean we're going to get a new girl quite a bit younger than Bree. | Quote: | | Here, OTS represents part of an extremist or deviant branch of the Order which is far less willing to follow the doctrine of "free will" than the main part of the Order. When Bree ran off, the moderate branch sent the Watchers to make sure she didn't fall into extremist hands (like what happened in Vegas) while trying to recover her themselves via OpAphid. After BDJ escaped from the extremist's compound, a Watcher intervened to protect BDJ from extremist recapture. |
You are interpreting the board in current day. We're leaning toward the board being 6 or 7 years old. It wouldn't have had to do with BDJ back then | Quote: | | Alex may also have been caught between the free-will moderates and the compulsion extremists. She tried to escape their conflicting demands on her but surrendered to avoid further trouble and release Bree from her obligation. Whether that is true or not is still up in the air, but it makes sense for it to have worked that way. |
Alex is conflicted, that is EXTREMELY evident. I think there is more at work than that though. (I'll post on it later)
I really appreciate your post. It has really lent meat to the discussion.
Last edited by mincartaugh on Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:34 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
thinkitthrough
Lonely Fan
Joined: 11 Oct 2006
Posts: 126
Location: In a bunker hiding from ICBM's
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| EEVEE wrote: | OH yeah, cassandra.cassie alexandra.alex but I don't know if it's the one's we're thinking of.
What's up with the etc.
What goes on?
cassandra, alexandra,etc.
Who next. |
Jonasandra |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Languorous Lass
The Order of Denderah
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
Posts: 2571
Location: Gone, baby, gone
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| gjtko2007 wrote: | Here's my theory about the whiteboard. Be forewarned that it's long and detailed. . . .
Well, uh, what do you think? |
Yay for moving your theory to this thread! Thanks!
Oh . . . er . . . I do plan to read the theory. Honest. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Languorous Lass
The Order of Denderah
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
Posts: 2571
Location: Gone, baby, gone
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| mincartaugh wrote: | | gjtko2007 wrote: | The numbers (9, 12 and 18 ) I think either refer to:
or B. The ages that Hymn of One girls such as Bree are determined or checked to be fit for "the Ceremony" |
I was wondering when someone was going to finally come up with this. It was the first thing I thought of! Then I started thinking, how old were Cassie(Casandra) and Alex(Alexandra) in 2000 when we are supposing this was written? |
But Bree was 16-going-on-17 when she was chosen for the ceremony -- not 12 or 18.
| mincartaugh wrote: | | At the time this was written, Alex was approximately Bree's age. Maybe a tad older. |
Not the way people have figured out her age in the past. IIRC, based on how old she supposedly was when Jonas's parents disappeared, people figure that she's somewhere in her late 20s-early 30s. Which would mean that seven or eight years ago, she was early-mid 20s.
| mincartaugh wrote: | | Anyway, the 9,12,18 as ages could mean we're going to get a new girl quite a bit younger than Bree. |
Like, maybe, Taylor? People have theorized that she's about 13.
| mincartaugh wrote: | | I really appreciate your post. It has really lent meat to the discussion. |
Agreed. Great job, GJTK. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
JustAnotherLonelyGirl.
P. Monkey's Agent
Joined: 21 Sep 2006
Posts: 2094
Location: Boston
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Languorous Lass wrote: | | Kasdeja wrote: | No, I didn't take it that way at all. And, if their age didnt' matter...why was the other girl young and also raised the same way as bree? It can't be Alex.
*edit* other girl as in the one whose family disappeared from the commune |
You mean The Artist Formerly Known As Tachyon? |
Actually, Tachyon was that girl's younger sister. She was not a candidate for the ceremony.
Anyway, I read the whole thing now. I'm think the Cassie/Alex thing is mythological too, rather than related to Aunt Alex. But I think Alex's name is done on purpose. None of us trust her. Maybe she has or will tell us something imperative to BDJ's knowledge, but no one will believe her.
Also, I'm wondering too about the time lapse. We know a lot of resistance members have been killed, but that doesn't mean the entire resistance has been swept off the planet. It's possible the information is somewhat recent. However, I kind of doubt it because the place is so dirty and dusty.
I'm worried for their safety though. When are they going to discover the advantage of private video-making? GOODNESS. They could probably push it so they make private videos that are for US to see. But seriously, they just posted a video like "Hi everyone.. we're staying at the same place the resistance stayed at because it is a safehouse so it must be safe, I mean look how all the resistance members turned out! Rock on!"
If I were an Order Girl I couldn't do this. I would have an allergy attack and die.
The "something in it?" under "girls' blood" is intriguing. Maybe that has something to do with the iron pills Bree took and the injections of epogen? Could they have enhanced whatever feature exists in her bloodstream?
Maybe Cassie is Alex's sister.
JK.
EDIT: I forgot to say one other thing. Maybe OTS is the Creators' replacement of OpAphid. Since they can't use that name. OTS could be the equivalent of the faction once known as OpAphid.
_________________
"Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof."
-- V For Vendetta <3 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Wisi Girl
Lonely Fan
Joined: 13 Nov 2006
Posts: 196
Location: Laie, HI
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Languorous Lass wrote: | | Wisi Girl wrote: | Ha ha ha ha! Langorous Lass, I will try not to let this happen, okay? Ha ha! I especially love how you used the word "buttocks"!
Alright, I have to go to class. Bye! Have fun scrambling around the internet and such things in order to explain the stuff on the whiteboard! |
Does anybody else think that this chick may be the reincarnation of our old pal glowe? Or at least somebody with a similar "sense of humor"? :roll:
Okay, okay, sorry . . . I'll behave now. :smt012 |
Look, I realized you were being extremely rude. I don't know why....Why should you care if I think this series is complete crap now? It was totally unnecessary but I decided to be mature about it and respond with a few laughs. I initially wanted to call you a bitch but then I thought, "No, I will deflect her comment by making it into a joke." So, I believe you are the one who is a bit lost. I don't know who glowe is but, then again, I don't know who you are! And you don't know me! You have no clue about my "sense of humor" nor my intentions behind various posts I make. Show some respect. I wouldn't mind if you posted some random comment about how you might abandon this series. So, please stop your callous remarks.
_________________
| house wrote: | | This series is like the Winchester House. Just keep building, but never finishing... |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Lurker
Guest
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| mindinflight wrote: | | I tend to lean towards "Cassandra and Alexandra" being Cassie and Auntie Turncoat. Why? I think it would be a little odd to introduce new characters with names similar to previous ones (seen or unseen). |
"Alexandra" isn't just similar to Alex's name; it's her actual name (remember when Daniel called her that in "On The Hot Seat"?). |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
robtomorrow
Devoted Fan
Joined: 25 Sep 2006
Posts: 849
Location: Seattle
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I just thought I'd resurrect Joseph Beuys to help explain the white board for us,
and Riichard Feynman might give us some insight as well,
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kwicherbichen
Lonely Fan
Joined: 10 Sep 2006
Posts: 183
Location: Dallas
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| robtomorrow wrote: | I just thought I'd resurrect Joseph Beuys to help explain the white board for us,
and Riichard Feynman might give us some insight as well,
|
Huh? How?
I didn't read the rest of this thread if that would answer my question. It helps if people explain themselves a little. Pictures are worth a thousand words, but they AREN'T words so come on... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
robtomorrow
Devoted Fan
Joined: 25 Sep 2006
Posts: 849
Location: Seattle
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| kwicherbichen wrote: |
Huh? How?
I didn't read the rest of this thread if that would answer my question. It helps if people explain themselves a little. Pictures are worth a thousand words, but they AREN'T words so come on... |
Oh sorry, I forgot to mention they will be giving a lecture tonight at Goethe Hall at the University of Edinburgh. 8:00 PM sharp!
Last edited by robtomorrow on Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:29 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Wisi Girl
Lonely Fan
Joined: 13 Nov 2006
Posts: 196
Location: Laie, HI
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: |
|
|
OH MY!!! HA HA HA HAHA!!! Robtomorrow, I know you hate me and you think I have absolutely no sense of humor but that was the most hilarious post ever!!! What made it priceless was kwicherbichen's cluelessness!!! Ha ha ha ha!!! Thanks for that!
_________________
| house wrote: | | This series is like the Winchester House. Just keep building, but never finishing... |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
