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TOSG
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 Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: "They somehow make life" |
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| hella wrote: | | Annika wrote: | | How they go from "they catalyze their own synthesis" to "they somehow make life" is beyond me. |
they catalyze their own synthesis...they replicate themselves...come on! |
I agree with Annika here. Scientists have made autocatalytic cycles in the lab on many occasions - that doesn't mean that we're anywhere close to creating life from molecular building blocks. Hell, we're not even close to creating single-cellular life, let alone a human.
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I agree. We're not yet ready to create life. How about extend life. Someone earlier was talking about that possibility.
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hella
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: "They somehow make life" |
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| TOSG wrote: | | hella wrote: | | Annika wrote: | | How they go from "they catalyze their own synthesis" to "they somehow make life" is beyond me. |
they catalyze their own synthesis...they replicate themselves...come on! |
I agree with Annika here. Scientists have made autocatalytic cycles in the lab on many occasions - that doesn't mean that we're anywhere close to creating life from molecular building blocks. Hell, we're not even close to creating single-cellular life, let alone a human. |
THEY CATALYZE THEIR OWN SYNTHESIS= THEY MAKE LIFE (somehow) |
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TOSG
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: "They somehow make life" |
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| hella wrote: | | TOSG wrote: | | hella wrote: | | Annika wrote: | | How they go from "they catalyze their own synthesis" to "they somehow make life" is beyond me. |
they catalyze their own synthesis...they replicate themselves...come on! |
I agree with Annika here. Scientists have made autocatalytic cycles in the lab on many occasions - that doesn't mean that we're anywhere close to creating life from molecular building blocks. Hell, we're not even close to creating single-cellular life, let alone a human. |
THEY CATALYZE THEIR OWN SYNTHESIS= THEY MAKE LIFE (somehow) |
Because repeating it in capitals makes it true.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:58 am Post subject: Re: "They somehow make life" |
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| TOSG wrote: | | hella wrote: | | TOSG wrote: | | hella wrote: | | Annika wrote: | | How they go from "they catalyze their own synthesis" to "they somehow make life" is beyond me. |
they catalyze their own synthesis...they replicate themselves...come on! |
I agree with Annika here. Scientists have made autocatalytic cycles in the lab on many occasions - that doesn't mean that we're anywhere close to creating life from molecular building blocks. Hell, we're not even close to creating single-cellular life, let alone a human. |
THEY CATALYZE THEIR OWN SYNTHESIS= THEY MAKE LIFE (somehow) |
Because repeating it in capitals makes it true. |
its just i dont know how to make it any clearer...self replicators replicate a buncha times and evolve into more complex self replicators and eventually turn into self replicating gene machines and THEY CATALYZE THEIR OWN SYNTHESIS = THEY MAKE LIFE (somehow) |
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TOSG
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:21 am Post subject: Re: "They somehow make life" |
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| hella wrote: | | TOSG wrote: | | hella wrote: | | TOSG wrote: | | hella wrote: | | Annika wrote: | | How they go from "they catalyze their own synthesis" to "they somehow make life" is beyond me. |
they catalyze their own synthesis...they replicate themselves...come on! |
I agree with Annika here. Scientists have made autocatalytic cycles in the lab on many occasions - that doesn't mean that we're anywhere close to creating life from molecular building blocks. Hell, we're not even close to creating single-cellular life, let alone a human. |
THEY CATALYZE THEIR OWN SYNTHESIS= THEY MAKE LIFE (somehow) |
Because repeating it in capitals makes it true. |
its just i dont know how to make it any clearer...self replicators replicate a buncha times and evolve into more complex self replicators and eventually turn into self replicating gene machines and THEY CATALYZE THEIR OWN SYNTHESIS = THEY MAKE LIFE (somehow) |
Sure, if you have a spare billion years to wait. Three billion if you want them to turn into anything more exciting than a single cell.
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hella
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:49 am Post subject: Re: "They somehow make life" |
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| TOSG wrote: | | hella wrote: | | TOSG wrote: | | hella wrote: | | TOSG wrote: | | hella wrote: | | Annika wrote: | | How they go from "they catalyze their own synthesis" to "they somehow make life" is beyond me. |
they catalyze their own synthesis...they replicate themselves...come on! |
I agree with Annika here. Scientists have made autocatalytic cycles in the lab on many occasions - that doesn't mean that we're anywhere close to creating life from molecular building blocks. Hell, we're not even close to creating single-cellular life, let alone a human. |
THEY CATALYZE THEIR OWN SYNTHESIS= THEY MAKE LIFE (somehow) |
Because repeating it in capitals makes it true. |
its just i dont know how to make it any clearer...self replicators replicate a buncha times and evolve into more complex self replicators and eventually turn into self replicating gene machines and THEY CATALYZE THEIR OWN SYNTHESIS = THEY MAKE LIFE (somehow) |
Sure, if you have a spare billion years to wait. Three billion if you want them to turn into anything more exciting than a single cell. |
well if it were easy then it would have been done already... |
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| xwestsidex wrote: | heres what I think...
I think they are doing experiments to try and create an asexual human being. For example, in order to have a baby, you dont need to have sex. AKA "women wont need men"
And also, havent you noticed that all the main order members so far (Brees mom, Lucy, Alex, Oppy) have all been FEMALE. And Im thinking that any baby thats going to be created by ribozymes would be female as well..
In other words, I think the order is just some dirty feminist organization thats trying to make the male race extinct on the earth....
(and if anyones wondering. I think the watchers are just in it for the money lol) |
Slightly off-topic, but after reading this, I immediately thought of Y: The Last Man (what with the forum heavily interested into links between LG15 and Brian K. Vaughn). On-topic, this ties back into the birth scenario that has been discussed since the days of the fake Ceremony, but certainly with a new twist. This might mean, though, that Bree is no longer "the One", but the Order might still consider her to be a high-ranking Order member (eventually) because she "gives birth" to a new prophet. Like the Virgin Mary  .
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| I had briefly thought about all those powerful order women but got swept up ineverything else! |
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Spades
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There have been other cermonies before this one, so I am not too sure on them creating their own customizable Crowley.
Personally, I'm with the whole key for immortality thing personally.
But here's a random ass thought:
What if Crowley is not the original Crowley? Let me explain this whacked out theory.
I remember Bree saying that the cermonies come around once in a very long time. Maybe Crowley was the result of an older HoO cermony, and he was a reincarnated whoever-the-f**k came berofe him. This has been happening for a long time. Every time this guy dies, they wait around for a positive trait, and pop out a new one. Crowley was the last one, now they have a new girl, and they want their leader or prophet or whatever back.
So, the cermonies happen every once in a long while. They wait for the guy to die, find a new girl, and then make themselves a new one.
(Today has been really boring, hence all the crazy thinking)
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| Oh that's a point. Maybe the idea is that Crowley himself was part fo somethgin bigger... hmmmm... |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Spades wrote: | There have been other cermonies before this one, so I am not too sure on them creating their own customizable Crowley.
Personally, I'm with the whole key for immortality thing personally.
But here's a random ass thought:
What if Crowley is not the original Crowley? Let me explain this whacked out theory.
I remember Bree saying that the cermonies come around once in a very long time. Maybe Crowley was the result of an older HoO cermony, and he was a reincarnated whoever-the-f**k came berofe him. This has been happening for a long time. Every time this guy dies, they wait around for a positive trait, and pop out a new one. Crowley was the last one, now they have a new girl, and they want their leader or prophet or whatever back.
So, the cermonies happen every once in a long while. They wait for the guy to die, find a new girl, and then make themselves a new one.
(Today has been really boring, hence all the crazy thinking) |
I have been thinking the same thing for a while. I couldn't put it into word, but you did awesome at it!!
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| I love how people on these boards are so articulate and can explain thigs so well. I'm useless at it! |
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Spades
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But here's the catch.
How the hell was the Order supposed to find a trait positive girl if this has been going on for, for argument's sake, idk, a century or two? They could not have the technology to do such a thing waaaay back in the day, unless there is a very basic way of doing it, which I highly doubt.
Unless they grabbed a girl, did a very, very basic form of creating life that did not include sexual intercourse, hoping that she had the correct rybozyme count. If they knew what ribozymes were then.
edit: and about anyone who might know who Crowley's parents were as an idea to shoot down this theory:
That information could have been falsified. If I had the money, I could say that my great-great-great grandparents spawned Crowley.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: "They somehow make life" |
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| hella wrote: | | TOSG wrote: | | hella wrote: | | TOSG wrote: | | hella wrote: | | TOSG wrote: | | hella wrote: | | Annika wrote: | | How they go from "they catalyze their own synthesis" to "they somehow make life" is beyond me. |
they catalyze their own synthesis...they replicate themselves...come on! |
I agree with Annika here. Scientists have made autocatalytic cycles in the lab on many occasions - that doesn't mean that we're anywhere close to creating life from molecular building blocks. Hell, we're not even close to creating single-cellular life, let alone a human. |
THEY CATALYZE THEIR OWN SYNTHESIS= THEY MAKE LIFE (somehow) |
Because repeating it in capitals makes it true. |
its just i dont know how to make it any clearer...self replicators replicate a buncha times and evolve into more complex self replicators and eventually turn into self replicating gene machines and THEY CATALYZE THEIR OWN SYNTHESIS = THEY MAKE LIFE (somehow) |
Sure, if you have a spare billion years to wait. Three billion if you want them to turn into anything more exciting than a single cell. |
well if it were easy then it would have been done already... |
Making life from scratch would make sense if you were living in a place that didn't have any life (that of course is a contradictory hypothesis), but here on earth there is abundant life so the effort would be pointless.
Ribozymes in this context are interesting only because they might explain how life began here on earth. |
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