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OpAphid, The Kidnapper and Sid the clown walk into a Bar....
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hehe me too!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I understood most of that and i liked the theroy. Im just haveing a problem placeing who your classing as cid the clown
but but what about the clown?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm with Lurker on how Oppy sent the kidnapper. The people within OpAphid seemed a little extra weird, and that kidnapper definately was far from ordinary.


That is a definite. I never said other wise. I do definitely believe there is a connection, hence OpAphid wants it done, Kidnapper wants it done, same goal same method, for sure a connection as they are probably working for the same side.

As for the where does Cid the clown come in:

Cid the Clown was a clown at the party in which Jonas' father, a member of the resistance, where ever that part of the story comes from, took Jonas and Alex to. Cid is placed at a "safe house" or better described as a location that carries a history with Resitance. Therefore Cid is ultimately connected to the resistance, where ever those resistance members are connected to.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Killthesmiley wrote:
As for the where does Cid the clown come in:

Cid the Clown was a clown at the party in which Jonas' father, a member of the resistance, where ever that part of the story comes from, took Jonas and Alex to. Cid is placed at a "safe house" or better described as a location that carries a history with Resitance. Therefore Cid is ultimately connected to the resistance, where ever those resistance members are connected to.
Thanks i think i follow and i like this theroy.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowherepixie wrote:
Clowns are scary...


thats a definite!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why does the clown have to be connected now? Cant he just live his clown life and die in peace?

I'm a little confused on that. Not to be an a*****e or anything, but how does Sid fit into this?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sid doesn't fit in this. Not everything has to.

I'm still in contention on OpAphid sending the kidnapper. First, I don't think it was one kidnapper, but that is moot. I believe HoO sent the kidnapper in order to set up the events that followed. They needed Bree to be receptive to doing the ceremony and they were getting nowhere by waiting. Daniel and Jonas were strong influences on her and they had to break that influence without letting Bree realize what was happening.

During the time they were gone, Bree was conditioned to focus on one person as the prime candidate for the ceremony. Jonas was conditioned to focus more on his own needs. Daniel was conditioned to... no, come to think of it Daniel screwed things up all on his own! LOL.

Bree's clear obsession with Jules to the exclusion of all else was proof to me that she was under some sort of compulsion. Remember she didn't spend time with Jonas or Daniel during the time in the bunker. And she absolutely had no interest in anything else except for Jules. Nothing about the work we were doing on the maps and white-board; nothing about the other candidates--she didn't have to call them by name to acknowledge them. It was almost surreal.

Jonas and Daniel stayed away from her, too. They worked with each other quite a bit but they didn't bother Bree for some reason. It was a very unnatural vibe I was getting from the bunker.

That vibe continued once they left the bunker, too. Bree and the boys were rarely seen together except in what looked like carefully staged sequences (like the shopping cart). Once they found Jules, Bree immediately goes up to her and begins a diatribe that clearly scared Jules to death. Then she kidnaps her. It just didn't ring true to Bree's nature. (Yeah, I remember Jonas. But the situation was completely different)

Man can I yammer when I get a bree in my bonnet! LOL!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are all very nice theories, some of which may be true. So kudos on your thoughtful explanation.

Unfortunately I think that we are in the process of tying up loose ends. It is my honest impression that the Oppy thing and the Kidnapper thing would have all turned out differently if Glenn was still with the show. I think that the current plot line is totally new and needs to be though of as such. Of course the characters are the same, and some of the elements transferred over, but you know what I'm getting at.

I really think that the loss of those characters put LG into a tailspin for a while, and we don't even really realize it. I think they've done a good job redirecting the plot, and it is finally getting really good again.

So in conclusion, we need to let go of Oppy and Tachy and all those characters, and just move on. I miss them too, but I think its just a waste of time to try and worry about how they fit in.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, yes, Gidget. I sincerely agree with you. Oppy and Tachy are no more. Long live the soccer girls!

My theories, though, didn't hinge on Oppy or Tachy. I'm not sure, but I don't think I mentioned either of them as being part of the plot.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey I agree Oppy/Tachy is no more. I never said they weren't. and I never said Sid was connected!

Did you guys read the theory at all???? lol

Sid is just a piece of the memory Jonas had. Sid is just a piece of the memory of the location.
And I clearly stated that Oppy is MIA and EXILED. There for Tachy follows because OpAphid is Tachyon's mission!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me see. You said:
    *The Order now owns resistance areas.
    *There was only one kidnapper and the HoO shot him
    *HoO and Order are one and the same.
    *Lucy and the Watchers were one faction; OpAphid and Tachy were another.
    *The kidnapper was a wild card that Oppy used and Lucy took care of as well as outing Oppy.
    *Lucy used Alex and Jules to bait Bree and dangled the "father" carrot in front of Bree to get her to join them.

Did that cover most of it?

The clown line was for Gidget.

As for the rest of it, I was fine with Oppy masterminding the kidnapping, I was just proposing a different explanation for events during and after the kidnapping. Do you understand how my theory differed from yours? I know I have waaaaay too big of a vocabulary for most people to deal with.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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*The Order now owns resistance areas.


Maybe not own them, but knows of them and uses them to their benefit. But not the Order, the HoO (Lucy/Watcher's) because of comforting, welcoming feelings that are associated with them.

Quote:
*There was only one kidnapper and the HoO shot him


We only know of one, there could have been a whole team, but we do know that a watcher shot him, so yes in that sense.

Quote:
*HoO and Order are one and the same.


Yes and no. It really depends on the time frame that you look at.
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HoO = Lucy/Watcher the "freewill" team
The Order = OpAphid/Kidnapped; the "By any means" team

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*Lucy and the Watchers were one faction; OpAphid and Tachy were another.


More like Lucy and the Watchers one faction ; OpAphid another; Tachyon another; DJST another. Like Lucy/Watchers = HoO; OpAphid=The Order; Tachyon=Professional spy agency; DJST = Independent.

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*The kidnapper was a wild card that Oppy used and Lucy took care of as well as outing Oppy.


Not outing as in killing, but exiling, by the means of banishing.


Quote:
*Lucy used Alex and Jules to bait Bree and dangled the "father" carrot in front of Bree to get her to join them.


Exactly

I think your's and mine theory are pretty similar. I think you worded it better though! i just misunderstood what I was reading.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok. But can we use a different term than DJST? It was actually DBJ at that time and if we keep swapping out initials it's going to get very confusing. How about we go with TAAG? It stands for Teen Angst Action ...uh... my brain leaked. I don't remember what the G stands for, but it's something cool! Anyway, it can include them all and we won't have to swap.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

teen angst action gang lol

alright. I'll keep it at TAAG in this thread Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Order is the main faction, the big cheese, whatever you want to call them. Somehow they get their money, and from there they pull the strings on this whole deal.

HoO is part of the Order, possibly a major part, but not the entire thing. They do what the Order tells them to do.

Either that, or HoO is big, and the Order is their "Enforcement" arm.

Or, HoO is the recruitment arm, Order the strong arm, and someone or some group controls them both.
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