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Talezine
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Posted this in CLUES too...but it seems the conversation is also here...
Theory of M:
Based upon the following information on YouTube responses by M:
"Like, where were you when she needed you? (I know were I was, but we don't really need to talk about that right now.) Now she's like this. We did a bang-up job, didn't we"
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“But if I'm going to stick my neck out, I have to know that it's worth it. That you're here, that you're still resisting. That you're ready to fight and put it all on the line. Maybe then we might see more of each other.”
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The fact M knew that Daniel was being recorded...
What if -M- is really Michael Carruthers: The Elder who received Bree's blood during the ceremony? We KNOW where he was during the ceremony, and as an elder he would be sticking his neck out by letting us see these things. The "We did a bang-up job, didn't we" could refer to what the ORDER did to Bree, now how the community failed her. And, he would know Daniel is being watched. AND he would know the historical documents regarding the fall of the order that occurred after the resistance (see post I made on the e-mail).
WHY would Michael be helping us? That is where I am less clear. Maybe he has had a falling out with the order. Maybe this is a trap for Daniel? I am not sure. However, the cryptic hints make me think this may be a real possibility.
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tigerlilylynn
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well there's the theory that the personality can travel with a donated organ or limb so a full person to person dialysis might give the spirit of the girl to the man. Her sorrow, her duty, her pain, her sacrifice. Now it's his. /tinfoil
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red8ge
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Don't know if this has been posted already, but I ran across this comment when watching the episode of the season one finale when Bree dies
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grace2_89
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| red8ge wrote: | Don't know if this has been posted already, but I ran across this comment when watching the episode of the season one finale when Bree dies
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Which video of the 12/12 was that posted on? |
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red8ge
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| grace2_89 wrote: | | red8ge wrote: | Don't know if this has been posted already, but I ran across this comment when watching the episode of the season one finale when Bree dies
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Which video of the 12/12 was that posted on? |
#10, the 5PM video |
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JustAnotherLonelyGirl.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Talezine wrote: | Posted this in CLUES too...but it seems the conversation is also here...
Theory of M:
Based upon the following information on YouTube responses by M:
"Like, where were you when she needed you? (I know were I was, but we don't really need to talk about that right now.) Now she's like this. We did a bang-up job, didn't we"
and:
“But if I'm going to stick my neck out, I have to know that it's worth it. That you're here, that you're still resisting. That you're ready to fight and put it all on the line. Maybe then we might see more of each other.”
and:
The fact M knew that Daniel was being recorded...
What if -M- is really Michael Carruthers: The Elder who received Bree's blood during the ceremony? We KNOW where he was during the ceremony, and as an elder he would be sticking his neck out by letting us see these things. The "We did a bang-up job, didn't we" could refer to what the ORDER did to Bree, now how the community failed her. And, he would know Daniel is being watched. AND he would know the historical documents regarding the fall of the order that occurred after the resistance (see post I made on the e-mail).
WHY would Michael be helping us? That is where I am less clear. Maybe he has had a falling out with the order. Maybe this is a trap for Daniel? I am not sure. However, the cryptic hints make me think this may be a real possibility. |
Cool theory. Definitely takes that "Well, I know where I was..." line into account. He could have been tricked into believing in the Order and has shifted his loyalties. Maybe "trait positive" blood does not work. Or maybe he has an illness and it doesn't work for him (like, if he has cancer or something). I guess that would be a little dark for LG15. But too dark for LG15 all growed up? I'm not sure. (Yes, that was a Rugrats reference)
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WriterGirl
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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I like this theory, but I have something of a nitpick:
| Quote: | | "Like, where were you when she needed you? (I know were I was, but we don't really need to talk about that right now.) |
| Quote: | | We KNOW where he was during the ceremony |
I don't think the idea of that line referring to the Ceremony quite makes sense. The community, and TAAG especially, were there trying very hard to save Bree at that exact moment, so in that case it reads less like "You let her down" and more like throwing the biggest failure of Daniel's life back in his face. More vindictive than mournful, if that makes sense. Not a great way to start off if you're trying to reach out and form an alliance.
Anyway. It's an interesting theory, except for that little part that's bugging me. And I am very curious about that "I know where I was" line.
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JustAnotherLonelyGirl.
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| WriterGirl wrote: | I like this theory, but I have something of a nitpick:
| Quote: | | "Like, where were you when she needed you? (I know were I was, but we don't really need to talk about that right now.) |
| Quote: | | We KNOW where he was during the ceremony |
I don't think the idea of that line referring to the Ceremony quite makes sense. The community, and TAAG especially, were there trying very hard to save Bree at that exact moment, so in that case it reads less like "You let her down" and more like throwing the biggest failure of Daniel's life back in his face. More vindictive than mournful, if that makes sense. Not a great way to start off if you're trying to reach out and form an alliance.
Anyway. It's an interesting theory, except for that little part that's bugging me. And I am very curious about that "I know where I was" line. |
Very good point. I think maybe the person is testing our loyalties. Or they could be speaking to someone in particular. (Like how Tachy spoke to Brother in her original videos.)
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chyell
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know if anyone else noticed this but I guess M posted this 3 days ago.
This is from the 'Whatever Happened To lonelygirl15?' comments. |
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LaurenB
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| chyell wrote: | I don't know if anyone else noticed this but I guess M posted this 3 days ago.
This is from the 'Whatever Happened To lonelygirl15?' comments. |
I didnt see that one. To me that means we must be missing something. and that the encryption has to be pretty tough |
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BusyAsABree
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| I wish there was a way to view the YouTube user activity so we could more easily track comments/likes made by M. |
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walrus
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:26 pm Post subject: Grillz reference? |
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| LaurenB wrote: | | chyell wrote: | I don't know if anyone else noticed this but I guess M posted this 3 days ago.
This is from the 'Whatever Happened To lonelygirl15?' comments. |
I didnt see that one. To me that means we must be missing something. and that the encryption has to be pretty tough |
That sure seems like the beginning to the Grillz video where the intro says:
"the world is a rough place. so we're toughening our image"
Could provide some insight into who M could be.
(Had to remove link because this is my first post.) |
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primaryasset
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It's definitely a reference to the Grillz description, which is pretty neat. I feel like there's going to be a lot of so-called continuity porn for longtime fans, and little references like this are probably just the beginning.
Echoing everyone who's said they wish there were an easier way to track all of a user's comments on Youtube. When I was on the LG15 channel's main page the other day, it said it was last active a week ago, and even if that just meant someone was logged in, it got me curious. Though they probably do want to make the most important interactions easy for us to spot right now, and fans who get a reply are likely to excitedly show other fans.
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kellylen
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So I know that the OS that is being used is Ubuntu.
I just saw the following image on Pinterest and it peaked my interest.
According to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)
| Quote: | | Ubuntu is a Nguni Bantu term roughly translating to "human kindness." It is an idea from the Southern African region which means literally "human-ness", and is often translated as "humanity towards others", but is often used in a more philosophical sense to mean "the belief in a universal bond of sharing that connects all humanity" |
Is it possible that the use of Ubuntu as an OS in the video is a double meaning, hinting back to the original African definition?
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walrus
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| kellylen wrote: | So I know that the OS that is being used is Ubuntu.
I just saw the following image on Pinterest and it peaked my interest.
According to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)
| Quote: | | Ubuntu is a Nguni Bantu term roughly translating to "human kindness." It is an idea from the Southern African region which means literally "human-ness", and is often translated as "humanity towards others", but is often used in a more philosophical sense to mean "the belief in a universal bond of sharing that connects all humanity" |
Is it possible that the use of Ubuntu as an OS in the video is a double meaning, hinting back to the original African definition? |
Interesting theory, it definetly reflects Bree being brought into the Order and their system. It may just be a little easter egg, but if its bigger than that it could shed some light on how Bree is alive/with the order. Good find. |
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