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A couple of LGPedia admins (Jonpro & Phoenician) take a breather to admire the view from Lucy's Balcony.

Zoey, one of your LGPedia admins, frolics with the doves on Lucy's Balcony.

Welcome to Lucy's Balcony, a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the LGPedia. This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns. To start a new thread, click here. Please remember to sign your posts by typing ~~~~ at the end.

For old or inactive conversations, visit Lucy's archive.

Character Pages Discussion

Okay, so there's been some talk as to the condition of the character pages we have here on the Pedia. Just bring everyone up to speed, here's what's been said so far:

Zoey, I've been pondering this for some time and thought I may as well ask you about it. Why is it that we do an entire "story so far" on every main character page? Wouldn't it be easier to just highlight the big stuff under "background" and pay more attention to keeping up the The Story So Far.... I mean, it just seems like our character pages are going to be so huge that no one will read the entire thing when we could be using the really good parts of each character background to make a really awesome page for our story so far, plus it would be less work for each character page and more people would actually edit our story so far page instead of it being left for months without any work done to it. I hope that all makes sense as now I'm looking at it and seems quite long, anyway, it's not that big of deal, just thought I'd throw that out there. Nancypants 19:20, 19 February 2008 (CST)

I think you have a completely valid point. I've actually been pondering implimenting something to that effect for a long time. The only thing is, I couldn't figure out how to do up the characters' pages so that this would work. Do you have any ideas... maybe a mockup of a page idea so I (and others) can kind of get a better idea of what exactly you have in mind? I'd love to see it! --Zoey 14:55, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

OK, this is proving harder than I had thought it would be. It's difficult to decide what to do with it. Maybe we should start a discussion or something to get other people's input because I really do think it would be better to have the character pages be shorter, but I don't know where to start! By the way I'm not going to be able to do quite as much editing as I have been because people at work are getting suspicious. :( Nancypants 19:07, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

So yeah -- thoughts, people? --Pheon 11:38, 11 March 2008 (CDT)

Well, first I think we should get rid of any sections that are covered in other places (ie: Daniels relationship section and Jonas's fan activity section) and just put links to them at the bottom with the theory links. EDIT: I have made a fake Daniel page here so if anyone has ideas please feel free to mess around and change things, it's just my sandbox. Nancypants 20:36, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

Now that I've had time to look over the proposed page, I must say, I like it! - Shiori 12:54, 12 April 2008 (CDT)

I rather like the page too! I think it needs to be fleshed out in some parts (don't ask me where! if I could put my finger on it, I'd totally tell you! lol)... I just feel like it's a bit bare... but really... it's SO on the right track! --Zoey 11:03, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

NOTE: Since Nancy seems to have taken a hike, I'm considering taking this up again. I think we're in desperate need for this kind of thing on some pages, especially as characters span series. If anyone has anything further to suggest on this, please do. - Shiori 08:14, 16 March 2009 (CDT)

Admin

This probably isn't a good move, but I'd like to request a consideration of me being moved to admin. There are SO many changes that I'd like to see made to this wiki but I personally can't do anything as a regular editor. You can review my edits, etc. Just please think about it and get back to me here, anyone who could make that change. (Also, I was formerly SilverBULLETx3 as well.) Kevin 09:54, 16 January 2009 (CST)

"Current shows, former shows"

Over on the sidebar, it has "Current shows: LG15: The Resistance", and "Former shows: lonelygirl15, KateModern." This obviously does not apply anymore. What it should say is:

• Upcoming Shows
  • LG15: The Last
  • Harper's Globe

• Current Shows
  • N1ckola

• Former Shows
  • lonelygirl15
  • KateModern
  • LG15: The Resistance

K, thanks! Kevin 15:28, 12 February 2009 (CST)

Actually, it should be:

• Current Shows
  • N1ckola

• On Hiatus
  • LG15: The Resistance

• Upcoming Shows
  • LG15: The Last
  • Harper's Globe

• Former Shows
  • lonelygirl15
  • KateModern

--FH14 16:45, 12 February 2009 (EST)

New Layouts (sort of)

I'm creating this section to discuss all of the layouts on the Pedia, minus the Portals and main pages. Most layouts need some SERIOUS updating; they look like a rainbow threw up on them, and don't match anything. Shiori 08:03, 16 March 2009 (CDT)

Character pages

I designed a new layout for the character pages. The only main differences are the edited Characterbox template to match the portal pages better (and unify font sizes and colors), and the abolition of those stupid stars on the page's subheaders. I'm open to suggestions, although I am rather fond of the way I set up the Characterbox template. Shiori 08:03, 16 March 2009 (CDT)

I like them a lot. Though the images for the Supporting Characters seem really small to me... --FH14 14:42 16 March 2009

I enlarged the images a bit; I can't make them too much bigger, since the main characters are supposed to have larger images, but it does look slightly better now. - Shiori 13:45, 16 March 2009 (CDT)

Looks good to me. --FH14 14:50, 16 March 2009 (EST)

Now that we can do stuff logged in again, I'm going to wait for some more comments on this. If I don't hear any major complaints, and can't find any pages that would be severely harmed by the newly updated version of the template, I'll put it up some time next week. Shiori 13:51, 30 March 2009 (CDT)

List of Video pages

I honestly don't really enjoy the LoV pages on the Pedia, maybe we could do it sort of how it is over at the Harper's Globe wiki, but with a template?   •Kevin•   19:55, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Creating Attention-grabbers page

Per the original discussion here, Zoey acknowledged the fact that the Use of Sex page is rather long and unnecessary. In response, I half-heartedly suggested that the best way to alter the page would be to create a page listing ALL of the attention-grabbers the Cs have ever used in the various series. The more I'm thinking about it, the more I think this was a good idea. Basically, I'm thinking of combining these pages into one: Use of sex in lonelygirl15, The thumbnail trick, Gunplay, Four-letter words, and a reference to Strange tags. (Jonas in a Bathtub should probably get added in to the sex information, too.) Some other pages could be added into this page, but I figured I'd open it up to everyone before I do anything. Shiori 08:33, 16 March 2009 (CDT)

I like the idea. Go for it and I'll help in whatever ways I'm needed.   •Kevin•   20:17, 30 March 2009 (CDT)

All done. I created the page Attention-grabbers used in LG15, made it more general, and replaced all of the existing links to the pages I merged into it. - Shiori 19:44, 2 April 2009 (CDT)

Final Community Content Suggestion

With the death of the previous two discussions on this subject, I bet everyone thought it would be left at that. However, I think we can all agree with Zoey's original opinion that something needs to be done to clean up existing content to get it to Pedia standards, as well as giving new series a guiding hand in how to cover their stuff on here.

So, I came up with some general guidelines, which are only slightly different than we had before, and yet vastly superior in ease of use and understanding.

Community Video Series

All series will be permitted one page. In order to have a page on the Pedia, the following information should be available: start date, URL where the series can be watched (only necessary for still-available series), and a short summary. These elements may be expanded upon, but generally these would be wanted for a page. A one-liner page will be subject to deletion if it offers no good information about the series and cannot be expanded.

The series can have one of THREE classifications:

• Basic coverage - the default for all series. Series with this coverage are not allowed to have secondary pages for characters information, videos, or puzzles. (The sections other than video list are allowed, but must be on one page. There will be limitations on how much depth these can go into. Including a video list on a page will require an individual, or a group, to come forward as the official updater(s) of the page - for this coverage level only.)
• Partially-full coverage (characters/videos/puzzles) - Series with this classification are allowed secondary pages for character information OR videos OR puzzles. (Two coverage categories are allowed, but all three is the same as full coverage.)
• Full coverage - Series with this classification are allowed to expand freely as their content maintainers deem necessary.

Automatic Re-classification:

1. Series can be automatically re-classified if an element of the series is featured by the Creators. Only the element that was featured will be elevated, so, for instance, if a video is featured, the series will only be granted full coverage for the video section. (If only one video is featured, we may want to limit the transcribing to only that video; I haven't decided on this yet.) Featured content will get its own category.
2. Re-classification can also be automatic if an element of the series is shown as canon, as was the case with Paul & Andrea. Only parts shown as canon will be re-classified, although two or more sections being deemed canon will escalate to full coverage. (Paul & Andrea showed the videos and characters to be canon, so they would get full-coverage.) Canon content will be categorized as such.

NOTE: In order to take advantage of automatic re-classification, a user must link to, or reference where the series was featured/canonized. If a link or reference is not provided, a discussion is the only way to get the series re-classified.

Singular Videos

All videos will be listed on a single page with a one-line description and a link to the video. If the video is featured or deemed canon, it will be allowed a page for its transcription and will categorized accordingly. Many of the same guidelines that would apply to series would apply to the individual videos, such as a minimum content requirement.

General Notes

• All UGC content will receive a box on their talk pages, describing what category they are (with a link to the descriptions of each), and the justification for it.
• Content can be escalated beyond what happens automatically, but a consensus is required to do so. There will be a discussion page for all UGC content for this purpose, and once a decision is reached, an archive of the discussion will be posted on the talk pages.
• A "starter template" will be created for both series pages and video pages, so we'll be able to unify the look of pages easier. I've created a preliminary idea of what the series template would look like here.
• Also pertinent to this discussion would be whether we want to officially rename the UGC category to something more acceptable, such as "Community Videos" and "Community Series" (with Series being a sub-category of Videos, and both remaining a sub-category of Fan Stuff)
• Another idea is whether we want to in some way differentiate series that relate to LG15, or go off in their own direction. I was thinking categorization may work, although even listing them in separate sections on the same listing could work, as well.

Discussion

Feel free to expand on these. They're just a preliminary drawing up, after seeing where people disagreed in the last discussions and trying to resolve those issues while still striving for better content coverage. - Shiori 13:18, 30 March 2009 (CDT)

It's certainly thorough. I agree that something needs to be done, and the guidelines that have just been proposed are the most fair that have been... well, proposed. The major problem I'd like to address is something that Shiroi touched on in the guidelines, and that is incomplete pages. The purpose of this is not for content creators to get their work featured only for no one to update and maintain the area. Also, series's that deviate completely from the LG15 canon have no place on the LGPedia (a la Sofia's Diary and Forevergrace) except for special circumstances (a la With the Angels). --FH1415:15 30 March 2009 (EST)

One key factor is that anyone who wishes to mess with older series should invest the time to thoroughly research and view the entire series before moving stuff around. If you have not done that then you are not an authority on the subject and might do serious damage to LGPedia as an archive of valuable information in what you might think is an attempt to simply clean things up.--modelmotion 14:06, 30 March 2009 (CDT)

mm has a serious point, as I didn't realize how involved HSA was until I got down into it. The real problem is some of the series are no longer available for whatever reason, and we're lacking contributors with knowledge on the subject. That's pretty much why I felt the need to make that long post on LG15 Today.

And, FH14, that was in my original proposal, but I didn't want to throw it out there without admin support, since that was never thoroughly discussed in the previous proposals. Shiori 14:31, 30 March 2009 (CDT)

FH14 said "Also, series's that deviate completely from the LG15 canon" - That has just never been the way LGPedia or LG15.com has been run. It was always open to user generated content and none other then Miles Beckett encouraged us to create out own series. The TOS also has an entire section on what are called "indies" that have no relationship to the LG15 story. Fan creations have always been welcomed on LGPedia and to change that policy would not only violate the original intent but it would also destroy LGPedia. If you actually want to build up a user base you need to work with fans as contributers and creators in their own right. I think you have lost enough users by implementing very poor decisions. Do you really want to continue with that trend to oblivion?--modelmotion 15:56, 30 March 2009 (CDT)

I'm afraid you misinterpreted what I said. Community Series that are considered "indie", such as the Coalition and Maddison Atkins, do not fall under the category of "deviating completely from the LG15 canon" There are elements, whether it be a strong connection to the community or a shared universe with a series that is heavily associated with LG15. There are some series, however, that have next to no relation to LG15 and shouldn't be covered, an example being Sofia's Diary, whose only connection is that it is another show hosted on Bebo. --FH14 17:42, 30 March 2009 (EST)

I don't see any problem with having a page for shows such With the Angels or 3rd Triad since these are done by members of the community and contain actors that have been in lg15. As long as it is no more than a page with some information about it and who is in it for the purpose of establishing it isn't some show added to the pedia like Sofia's Diary without any connection. --KindredPhantom 16:48, 30 March 2009 (CDT)

Just going to add my thoughts here as a regular LGPedia editor - I agree with most of Shiori's aforementioned guidelines. I'm kind of confused on a few things, however. First, which series would get the "partially-full" coverage, and what factors are we going to take into consideration while deciding which two of the three categories it receives? Also, with the partially-full coverage, does it get individual pages for its videos, or just a list of videos page? My own thoughts on that are that only the fully covered series should have character pages, video pages, puzzle pages, etc - that would include Redearth88, Maddison Atkins, and possibly LonelyJew15 since Jenni Powell is working on it, and she used to work for EQAL. And then everything else would either go into a single page or "partially-full" coverage, which I'm still not entirely sure about. Could someone digress about that? Also, shows like "With the Angels" and "3rd Triad" could receive a single page - where shows like "Sofia's Diary" and "OzGirl" would not even be covered on the Pedia.   •Kevin•   18:03, 30 March 2009 (CDT)

Here's how the "middle section" of the system would work (I moved this out, since the inlining would make it itty-bitty):

Partially-full coverage (I only chose that name because partial coverage implied it was getting less than basic) means that it would be allowed to expand into more than one page for only the section it has been granted extra coverage for. So, if something was given Partially-full coverage (video), then it would be allowed to have transcripts or whatever anyone feels would be necessary to do justice to giving it coverage on the video section. As I said, I'm not sure whether we would want one featured video to bump a series up to allowing transcripts for every video, but in general, that's how it would work. This is the reason I created the allowance for individual sections to be granted partially-full coverage: so that we can readily expand on one section of a series without necessarily granting it the right to expand in all areas.

The categories it's allowed to expand come from either having a subject of that section featured by the C's (or based on a discussion specifically asking to expand a particular section for whatever reason). Like I said, we may want to lock it down so that if they feature a singular video, a full video list may be allowed, but only a transcript for that particular video would be allowed - I'm not sure of that, though. The same would apply for Characters or Puzzles.

I mainly created the category because I can't think of a good justification for prohibiting a series from expanding something that was featured or made canon, just as I can't think of a good reason to say that any series that has been featured in any way should get full coverage for every aspect of the series. Shiori 08:14, 31 March 2009 (CDT)

Sounds like a fair system that prevents the pedia from being cluttered with ever show. I have no objections. --KindredPhantom 14:59, 2 April 2009 (CDT)

Since no one's had any objections to this, I'm going to try and flesh out the system and start tagging pages to fit the categories. - Shiori 12:46, 4 April 2009 (CDT)

Should we make templates for all three categories and then tag each UGC page accordingly?   •Kevin•   14:39, 4 April 2009 (CDT)

Actually, I was going to make a template similar the ones they use on talk pages for Wikipedia projects. You could enter what class it was, and unless you enter a class AND a justification, it gets a basic class setting. It'll also have an area to set main contributors. I had started coding it earlier today, and then my browser crashed. Now I'm being hailed by the husband to actually get off my butt for the weekend, but I'll take care of it later. - Shiori 22:19, 4 April 2009 (CDT)

Alright, here's how this is working, if anyone wants to help me out. I'm going through EVERYTHING listed in Category:User Generated Content, to make sure I catch everything.

1. Tag content with {{community content}}. (You may want to read the new pages about how I'm implementing it.)
   1. If it's content that was never featured or not part of a series with extended coverage, mark it for deletion. (Mark any images included on these pages for deletion, as well.)
   2. Videos that were featured are to be tagged as basic coverage, with a link to where they were featured. Also, add these to Category:Featured content
   3. I'm basing ratings off of the old LGPedia:UGC Tier List, but factoring in the new rating system - all tier 1 and 2s will get basic coverage, 3s and 4s will generally get partially-full; use your judgment.
2. Add content to Community Content/Series, Community Content/Videos, or Community Content/Other, based on what they are (other being things like commentors).
3. Move content from Category:User Generated Content to Category:Community content, with series being signified as such by going in Category:Community series.

We'll go through everything once we're done to figure out what meets coverage criteria. This is solely to get things tagged and worked on. - Shiori 10:02, 7 April 2009 (CDT)

Done. Everything's all moved around. FH14, if you want to start tagging stuff that's not LG15-related, you can do it now. Everyone, as much as I know you hate to hear it, his views about that kind of thing were come straight from the Creators. "Although we’re big fans of every great web series out there, because the LGPedia is dedicated to the LG15 Universe, it should only include information about shows in the LG15 Universe or featured on LG15.com." - Shiori 12:09, 9 April 2009 (CDT)

Okay, so I'm mainly working with the OpAphid ARG, and I was just wondering (and this goes for all series that have full coverage) -- should it get a character page (I started working on a very rough one on OpAphid ARG characters)? How about something like List of OpAphid ARG videos? OpAphid ARG locations? Redearth88 locations, etc?   •Kevin•   10:14, 11 April 2009 (CDT)

News Page/New Discussion Areas

I know, I'm just full of suggestions lately. ;P This I've been sitting on for a while, but I didn't want to mention it until our login ability was back. This comes in two forms:

1. Ren wants to create a news aggregator that could link all things new in the LG15 Universe, which includes the Pedia. However, he needs a singular page with some sort of tag signaling news headlines and whatnot to use. This would obviously get us more coverage everywhere, so it'd be a benefit to all. I'm thinking we'd want to cover major discussions and updates, such as redesigns. We wouldn't want to cover new videos (at least not using the tag Ren will use to pull out news items), as he will be pulling feeds directly from LG15.com. Any suggestions on how this would work, what to include, etc. would be much appreciated.
2. Lucy's Balcony is a great place to list major suggestions, but other suggestions for updates really have no home other than on their articles' talk pages. I'm thinking we may want to create pages to list ALL discussions on proposed merges, deletions, what have you. Note: I am aware we have existing categories for these, but this would place the entire discussion for each in one area. It would be easier to look at a page listing all expansion/merge/etc. ideas in one place than trying to convince everyone to look at the teeny-tiny sidebar in Recent changes. We could obviously link to these pages from both there and here.

I'm not even sure if we'd want to do this, since it would be a major change in how we're programmed to do business on the Pedia, but it is something to ponder. - Shiori 13:27, 30 March 2009 (CDT)

I love the first idea very much! Perhaps it could work as a supplement to the Main Page that is placed above the series' links. (Or perhaps a preview of a said page on the Main Page that links to a full page with all the said info.) The second idea is definitely something to consider, through it all depends on how that could be executed. --FH14

The idea sounds interesting but whilst reading through the legal terms for lg15.com:

Section 4, D:

"You agree not to use or launch any automated system, including without limitation, "robots," "spiders," or "offline readers," that accesses the Website in a manner that sends more request messages to the lonelygirl15 servers in a given period of time than a human can reasonably produce in the same period by using a conventional on-line web browser."

Does this prevent this idea from being implemented since it will pull information from Eqal servers? --KindredPhantom 16:41, 30 March 2009 (CDT)

That's quite interesting, KP - thanks for finding that. I'm not sure what that means for Ren's aggregator idea. About your other suggestion, Shiori, I agree that these things need to be on other places besides Recent changes, but how and where would we implement this?   •Kevin•   18:05, 30 March 2009 (CDT)

For everything else I get so far, that is a decided no, that license does not apply to my activities. For generating a feed from LGPedia's news, while I would not use pre-made RSS feeds as on the other sites, I would also not download and save the whole page, nor would I traverse the entire pedia. I would extract specific content from a singular page.

I don't know the exact timing, but I've used Yahoo! Pipes in the past to merge RSS feeds, and it took a noticeable while longer than direct feeds for the videos to appear - the number thrown around in comments on the web is 30 minutes. I believe that is not quicker than the average video-addicted comment boarder refreshes the video page ;)

In addition, I think you have the wrong license. This one is the one used on all of EQAL currently, through the link in the footer. I believe the only paragraph that even touches this project is 9., which, in my opinion, would be irrelevant, because I would not be "downloading" and "distributing" EQAL content, but content posted by "members" (you guys) - and since you guys would post news not only knowing full well I would aggregate them, but with the express purpose of that, there's really no surprise or violation of anyone's rights going on here.

I haven't themed it yet, but if you want a sneak preview, have a look here.

It's already working fine, and focuses on LG15 and related stuff only (that is, it's not filled up with Harper's Globe).

~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 00:32, 31 March 2009 (CDT)

Maddison Atkins

I thought I should open this up for discussion. Maddison Atkins recently got a spiffy new website which includes a wiki. Because of this, it may make the most sense to move the information regarding MA from here at the LGPedia to the wiki devoted to it on its official website, and in its place, leaving a single page explaining the series a la the Harper's Globe page. That said, I think the Redearth88 info should stay put for now. Here's basically my idea:

• A single page explaining the Maddison Atkins ARG.
• Pages in that section to keep:
  • I Heard Pain, Odd Evil Fiction - Part of OpAphid
  • Maddison Atkins - Character page, abeit compressed. This one is a bit iffy, because she is also mentioned as a background character in RE88.
  • Gregory Atkins - Same logic as Maddison
  • War Pylol - Part of OpAphid and RE88
  • Dr. William Arscott - Same logic as Maddison and Gregory, but a bit more of a lean to keep.
  • 15over15 - Really a RE88 character

Thoughts? Concerns? Suggestions? --FH14 14:20, 3 May 2009 (EST)

I like this idea. Should we start by making an HG-ish page for MA, under the name of Maddison Atkins ARG, or something like that?   •Kevin•   16:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Why not just leave things alone as they should be. They are fine as were. Why change what is not broken?.--modelmotion 03:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't make sense for identical information to be present in two places. The reason Harper's Globe isn't more present is because it has its own wiki. The information regarding Maddison Atkins would work better that the new wiki that has been made for it, and it doesn't make much sense to have two wikis containing the exact same information that would both need to be updated. --FH14 09:10, 14 May 2009 (EST)

Also, to add upon what FH14 said, if we were to pick one wiki to have the Maddison information on it, it would be the Maddypedia - Jeromy created it to be the official Maddison wiki and it wouldn't make sense to have information on the LGPedia about Maddison but not on the official Maddypedia. I mean, the Maddypedia is on Maddison Atkins's official website.   •Kevin•   20:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

While I am not a very active participant in LGPedia anymore, so perhaps my word carries less weight now, but the fact that information is available in more than one place on the Internet is part of the strength of the Internet. The current Maddison Atkins section of the LGPedia is pretty comprehensive and complete and isn't hurting anything as far as I can tell. Plus, when there was an earlier brouhaha well over a year ago about which series were deserving of more attention on LGPedia, Maddy was near the top. Maddison Atkins is tied to Lonelygirl15, among other ways, through its connection to the lg15 community. In a few years from now, few will remember any of the shit we cared about as lg15 fans. But if we go about deleting parts of the lgpedia, it only helps ensure that those memories, as fleeting and inconsequential as they may be in the scheme of life, though deeply important to others as least for a period of time, are lost.--Milowent 05:28, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Now that OpAphid is LG15 canon again...

I would like to propose some points for how we should handle the content on the LGPedia.

• Character pages (namely OpAphid, Tachyon, Brother, and War Pylol) - I suggest that we get rid of the "OpAphid ARG characters" template. That way, these four characters can be tagged using the lonelygirl15 characters template (the way Suzie and Jack and Paladins are), and the Redearth88 characters template. For their "Person" template, it should be the LG15 color and not the RE88 color (considering they were first LG15 characters, and are once again currently LG15 characters). Now, some of these pages were set up a bit weird because OpAphid was an ARG, so these characters should get an introduction, a background section with several subsections (one of the subsections being their story in Redearth88), notes, etymology, references, etc. Also, we have to be especially careful with OpAphid's character page because it's gotten cluttered over time, as people have used it for the OpAphid show page. Two different OpAphids right there.
• Portal:OpAphid ARG (formerly known as the AphidPedia) - This page has kind of left me dumbfounded. I sort of think we should treat OpAphid as a miniseries (equivalent to Watchyourjack, Nikki Bower Report, etc.), and WYJ and NBR don't have portals. One could argue that OpAphid played a much larger role in the actual LG15 storyline and that's true, but once again I'm not sure what to do with this page. If anybody has any suggestions, please comment below the entire post. Thanks!
• OpAphid ARG (the show page) - This page is also kind of weird. When I first made it, I was considering OpAphid a miniseries. I even deleted the OpAphid portal but modelmotion didn't like that move, so I just made the two pages. Now that the show is LG15 canon, I honestly think it should be treated as a miniseries ARG. So my proposal is to delete the portal and keep the show page, unless somebody else has other ideas.
• Redearth88 and Redearth88 (show) (former parent series) - I was kind of stumped as to why Redearth88 is the portal. It would make more sense to me if Redearth88 was the show page, and then Portal:Redearth88 or something along those lines was a portal (if it's going to have a portal at all.
• OpAphid puzzles and OpAphid drops - These pages should be the only two pages that exist on the 'Pedia for OpAphid puzzles and drops. I tried to re-do the OpAphid puzzles page but I don't think I'm knowledgable enough about the puzzles to make a difference. Right now, the way it's set up is that the "OpAphid puzzles" page and the "OpAphid drops" page link to dozens of other pages, each one detailing one puzzle or drop. I think that they should all be merged into OpAphid puzzles and OpAphid drops. Also, I think the pages should be moved to OpAphid ARG puzzles and OpAphid ARG drops. Merge the profile update pages and other things into these pages as well.
• Operation APHID - Keep this page as a current division of the Order.
• OPAPHID - Keep this page.
• OpAphid ARG characters - Delete this page unless similar pages are created for "Watchyourjack characters" and "Nikki Bower Report characters."
• Everything You Need to Play OpAphid - Delete or merge into the introduction of OpAphid puzzles.
• Sebastian and Aly Zarin - Merge into Brother and Tachyon.

Any comments, replies, concerns, or questions? Leave them here, and thanks for reading!   •Kevin•   00:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Comments

• My own question is whether OpAphid is in the Order still or not. In Redearth88, she departed from them but Miles has stated that Redearth88 is not LG15 canon. So...   •Kevin•   00:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey Kevin, thanks for your thoughts.

Honestly though, after reading through all of this, I think it is just way too complicated.

OpAphid was originally its own series (not an LG15 miniseries), then it came together with Lonelygirl15, and then it seperated off again into its own thing (Redearth88). OpAphid was really always canon during the days it was canon, and not canon during the days it wasn't. Therefore, I think messing with the pages in this way undermines the integrity of the pages and kind of defeats the purpose its trying to achieve. I know you are trying to clarify, but I don't think we can clarify any better than has already been done, unless we can come up with a totally different and way simpler plan. --Zoey 01:13, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm with Kevin on this, if only because the way it's currently being done is mind fuck of infinite proportions. The puzzles can be rolled into the lg15 and RE88 puzzles, the characters can be rolled into the respective character pages. The operation itself can be left as-is. There's no need for its own little show page, or an "introduction" (I always think these are stupid). Regardless, I'm going to be redoing the designs because they're kind of fug right now (only colors; no graphics until the plan of attack is firmly decided). - Shiori 13:01, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Figured I'd clarify on this. Since the characters are all across two series, they should either be split into canon character pages and non (silly), or have two sections on each page clarifying what they did on lg15 vs RE88. If you do it this way, Aly and Sebastian can be merged. Otherwise, I wouldn't even attempt it. - Shiori 17:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

As I understand it there is only one OpAphid that dates back to pre-LG15. The characters briefly entered into the LG15 story and that experience became canon. However that does not change the OpAphid experience which as far as we know is a single experience based and controlled by its creator. Until we have any evidence to the contrary we could do serious damage to the integrity of the OpAphid experience by messing with this stuff. It is possible that as TSIY-2 develops we may see further clarification, but to claim that there are two independent OpAphid experiences at this point is simply not supported by fact. OpAphid was last seen in Redearth88 and we need to let events unfold before we know for sure how any OpAphid experience within the the LG15 Universe will unfold in the future and what that might mean for the OpAphid experience within Redearth88. Those are decisions that are up to the creator of the OpAphid experience and all we know for now is that parts of that experience took place in the past within the LG15 Universe and parts were within Redearth88.--modelmotion 18:21, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Here's my two cents. Basically, as OpAphid will soon exist as canon across another LG15 series and not just the original, it doesn't really fall into the same category as Nikki Bower or Watchyourjack. (It never really did, in my opinion, as it existed on its own before and after LG15, making it a series in its own right.) It falls under more of a "Companion Series", in my opinion. Anyway, in regards to the ideas proposed by Kevin. I agree with renaming the show and portal pages and merging the puzzles and drops. The OpAphid ARG characters page is something that can be deleted, as it seems to have been stick in a development limbo for about a year. Keep: Everything You Need to Play OpAphid, OpAphid Character Index Template, The Portal and The Show Page, Operation APHID, and OPAPHID. I agree with what Shiori said about having a section on each character page devoted to the events on Redearth88, but I'm wary about merging Aly Zarin with Tachyon simply becuase it would eradicate the eight character setup for Redearth88 (as I'm quite OCD about that and It might cause me pain. :P) But this is just what I think. Feel free to disagree. --FH14 14:44, 17 October 2009 (EST)

It would be very easy to do a lot of serious damage by moving things around. There is a lot of history here and it is very important stuff. --modelmotion 18:53, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Exactly, mm, but If we tread carefully and make well-thought out decisions in regards to this, the potential for damage is significantly lessened. --FH14 14:56, 17 October 2009 (EST)